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1. 07:20 AM - Re: Greetings (gliderx5@comcast.net)
2. 08:02 AM - Re: Trip to 3 Forks (Ralph B)
3. 08:16 AM - The last E-LSA deadline is approaching (Richard Girard)
4. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Trip to 3 Forks (Robert Laird)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Power loss (pj.ladd)
6. 11:22 AM - New HKS on Firestar (Jimmy Young)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: Trip to 3 Forks (Brad Stump)
8. 05:40 PM - Re: Greetings (Tom O'Hara)
9. 07:02 PM - Re: New HKS on Firestar (frank.goodnight)
10. 07:44 PM - Re: EGT quirk (cristalclear13)
11. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: EGT quirk (Richard Girard)
12. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: EGT quirk (zeprep251@aol.com)
13. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:07 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Hi Bob
Welcome to the list. I have a MKII about 100 miles west of you at 79N, Ridge Soaring
Gliderport. I do the glider thing also (commercial, CFIG, ASW-15). Let me
take this opportunity to invite you, and the rest of the list to a couple fly-ins
that we are having.
First, Aug 8, at University Perk Airport (KUNV), there will be a fly-in breakfast
from 8 to 11. Our EAA chapter is sponsoring an aviation awareness day for the
public with lots of airplanes on display.
Second, and even better is our 8th annual fly-in, camp-in weekend, Oct 3/4 at Centre Air Park (N16). This is a great time and all are welcome. See our chapter web site, www.eaa1327.org for details.
Finally, I hope to fly over your way, with my golf clubs in the passenger seat,
to Butter Valley golf course / airport. I'll let you know if I'm in the area.
Again, welcome
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm
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From: "Bob Pongracz" <pongoflyer@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:15:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kolb-List: Greetings
Just a note to introduce myself. I just picked up a Firestar KXP w/447. It is currently
based at 14N in eastern PA, where I also fly in the glider club. This
is my 3rd ul/experimental, coming from a Cobra & a Phantom.
I have a Commercial license, having flown ag planes in the midwest, and did some
CFI and glider tow work back east. I've always liked Kolbs, and am anxious to
fly this one. After reassembling it from the truck ride home, I still need to
attach the wing-gap seal, hook up the strobes and go over it thoroughly before
the first flight.
I know this list is a great source of veteran information, and look forward to
good advice since one can always learn from others experience.
Anyone else on the list in this area...give me a holler.
Cheers,
Bob Pongracz
Firestar KXP/447
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Subject: | Re: Trip to 3 Forks |
> "I had forgotten to turn off the HACman system and the engine was leaning out
and dying."
>
> Larry
Larry, What is the "HACman system". Is it the carb heat?
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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Subject: | The last E-LSA deadline is approaching |
With the extension granted in January 2008 to get aircraft into the registry
as E-LSA, we are 6 months away from the end of this opportunity, but the
January 31st, 2010 deadline applies to those who have a two place E-LSA,
too.Why?
If you have a two place Kolb take a look at your special airworthiness
certificate. About midway down on the right hand side you will see the
statement, "Expiry 1-31-2010".
That's right, your airworthiness certificate EXPIRES on January 31st 2010.
Why?
Because your operating limitations must be updated to reflect that it will
no longer be legal to use your aircraft for compensation or hire after that
date.
What do you need to do and what do you need to do it?
Get a copy of FAA form 8130-6 and fill it out exactly as you did when you
applied for an airworthiness certificate in the first place, EXCEPT, in box
II, "Certificate Requested", box 4, "Operating Light Sport", check the box
8C, "Operating light-sport previously issued special light-sport
airworthiness certificate under 21.190".
Let's not get into a discussion of why this is worded badly as it reflects
on those of us that have E-LSA's. That's the box the form makers give us and
that's the one to use. :-)
Take your current airworthiness certificate, the pink one, your operating
limitations, and your aircraft log to your local FSDO. It's best to call
ahead and get the name of the person who handles this and his phone number.
Make an appointment to meet with him to get this done.
Why do they need all this stuff?
What your going to get is an airworthiness certificate that never expires.
Instead of "Expiry 1-31-2010" it will say, "Unlimited". You will also get
new operating limitations.
Why do they want the aircraft log?
They want to make sure that your annual condition inspection is current.
They can't issue the new paper if it isn't.
The good news is that this is all FREE. There are no charges for any of
this. Since I was at the FSDO, I picked up a copy of the FAA "Runway Safety
Collection" DVD, a current copy of the Notices to Airman, and a Kansas
Airport Directory, all of which were FREE, too. (if you're not in Kansas,
expect a copy of your state's directory if there is one and the FSDO gets
them from your state. I say this because Washington used to give these away
at their DOT office when you paid your yearly $8 user fee, and your state
may do something altogether different.)The bad news is, if you don't get
this done by the expiration date, there is no way back. Your airworthiness
certificate is expired and you have:
1. an illegal aircraft
2. a very expensive lawn ornament
3. a collection of spare parts for the rest of us
Addendum: When you contact your FSDO they may be able to do this by faxing
and mailing. Since you have to sign a copy of your operating limitations
that they keep as well as your own, this could become a multiday experience.
Then, there's also the possibility of mistakes. I did my Mk III and my trike
on the same day. The inspector got the info on the trike correct, but he had
the paperwork for the Kolb AFU. He put in the trikes N number on the op
limits and called the Kolb a powered parachute on the airworthiness
certificate. By being there I caught all this and he corrected it there and
then. Could you imagine the cluster flub this could have become if I hadn't
been there?
Rick Girard
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Subject: | Re: Trip to 3 Forks |
HAC = High Altitude Compensator
It leans or enrichens the fuel mix.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Ralph B <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> > "I had forgotten to turn off the HACman system and the engine was
> leaning out and dying."
> >
> > Larry
>
>
> Larry, What is the "HACman system". Is it the carb heat?
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 22 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 1 year flying it
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255502#255502
>
>
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Nigel Beale of Cyclone Hovercraft of England. Pat may know of him >.
Hi,
Pat certainly knows of him. He is THE MAN in the UK on all things Rotax.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | New HKS on Firestar |
Kolb list folks,
I got my Firestar back from Jerry Olenik at Greensky this past weekend with the
new HKS on. Lot's of driving, but looks like it was well worth it from the installation
job he did. I flew Wednesday late evening, & it demonstrated lot's
of power and proved to be very quiet. Flew some yesterday, mid-day in some very
sloppy air, and about 1.4 hrs. this morning till the heat & winds got up again.
I'm getting a good climb rate of about 650 - 700 fpm. Haven't seen that in a very
long time, and it really gives me some confidence in the air again. I've got
a 66" 2 blade Powerfin prop mounted. I've posted a couple of pics.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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resend the email using Plain Text formatting.
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I have a MKIII C (582) down in Allentown at Queen City. Looking forward to flying
together-- down to Butter Valley!
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Subject: | Re: New HKS on Firestar |
Hi Jim,
Glad to hear you are up again. We need more kolbs in TX. I think you
will like your HKS I've had very few problems with mine @ 80+ hrs.
Frank Goodnight
brownsville TX.
On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Jimmy Young wrote:
>
> Kolb list folks,
>
> I got my Firestar back from Jerry Olenik at Greensky this past
> weekend with the new HKS on. Lot's of driving, but looks like it was
> well worth it from the installation job he did. I flew Wednesday
> late evening, & it demonstrated lot's of power and proved to be
> very quiet. Flew some yesterday, mid-day in some very sloppy air,
> and about 1.4 hrs. this morning till the heat & winds got up again.
>
> I'm getting a good climb rate of about 650 - 700 fpm. Haven't seen
> that in a very long time, and it really gives me some confidence in
> the air again. I've got a 66" 2 blade Powerfin prop mounted. I've
> posted a couple of pics.
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255528#255528
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0472_175.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0471_115.jpg
>
>
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Thanks for everyone's advice. Thought I'd give an update.
I always had a little trouble with my front carb. The spark plug would always
come out black and the EGT when it was working good seemed low (both indicating
I was running rich). That is also the side that my exhaust leak is (still happening
even though I replaced the gaskets). I had my engine/carbs inspected/serviced
last year sometime and he updated the needles and jets. I synced my
carbs on the last inspection so I couldn't figure out why one would be running
so much richer than the other when they were both set up the same. The back
spark plug was always the nice brown sandy color it is supposed to be.
I took the one carb apart and thought I had a broken needle clip. I ordered new
clips and saw that the new ones have a small slit in them too, so it wasn't
broken. But then I noticed the new one looked like it had a new design to it.
I put the new one on and cleaned off my exhaust probe some (it was pretty black
and wet too).
After doing all that, I flew, and the EGT's were registering almost the same temps.
So I can't help but think that the new clip helped in some way. A friend
of mine said he remembered reading somewhere where there was an advisory of
some type to replace that clip. Apparently cleaning the probe helped the EGT
gauge work better too. The one side still isn't registering during taxi, but
I may not have cleaned the probe enough.
I suppose when I check the spark plugs again after flying some more hours, it'll
tell me more.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Cristal, The concern with needle clips is that they be so tight on the
needle that the needle will not turn in the clip. Engine vibration will
cause the needle to turn in the clip and will gradually turn down the needle
until it wears through. Another update to prevent this is a small o-ring
that sits on top of the clip and under the spring cup. I'm sure you already
know this, but you didn't mention it so......
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM, cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com
> wrote:
> cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks for everyone's advice. Thought I'd give an update.
>
> I always had a little trouble with my front carb. The spark plug would
> always come out black and the EGT when it was working good seemed low (both
> indicating I was running rich). That is also the side that my exhaust leak
> is (still happening even though I replaced the gaskets). I had my
> engine/carbs inspected/serviced last year sometime and he updated the
> needles and jets. I synced my carbs on the last inspection so I couldn't
> figure out why one would be running so much richer than the other when they
> were both set up the same. The back spark plug was always the nice brown
> sandy color it is supposed to be.
>
> I took the one carb apart and thought I had a broken needle clip. I
> ordered new clips and saw that the new ones have a small slit in them too,
> so it wasn't broken. But then I noticed the new one looked like it had a
> new design to it. I put the new one on and cleaned off my exhaust probe
> some (it was pretty black and wet too).
>
> After doing all that, I flew, and the EGT's were registering almost the
> same temps. So I can't help but think that the new clip helped in some way.
> A friend of mine said he remembered reading somewhere where there was an
> advisory of some type to replace that clip. Apparently cleaning the probe
> helped the EGT gauge work better too. The one side still isn't registering
> during taxi, but I may not have cleaned the probe enough.
>
> I suppose when I check the spark plugs again after flying some more hours,
> it'll tell me more.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255592#255592
>
>
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Christal
?? Remember that there are 4 gaskets on the 503 exhaust.2 under the tin shroud
to the block and 2 on top of the shroud to the manifold.JBM makes a tough gasket
for all the Rotax engines at a better price.Any leak there will change the
tuning of the engine.You may not have a carb problem.
? G.Aman
?
-----Original Message-----
From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:44 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: EGT quirk
Thanks for everyone's advice. Thought I'd give an update.
I always had a little trouble with my front carb. The spark plug would always
come out black and the EGT when it was working good seemed low (both indicating
I was running rich). That is also the side that my exhaust leak is (still
happening even though I replaced the gaskets). I had my engine/carbs
inspected/serviced last year sometime and he updated the needles and jets. I
synced my carbs on the last inspection so I couldn't figure out why one would be
running so much richer than the other when they were both set up the same. The
back spark plug was always the nice brown sandy color it is supposed to be.
I took the one carb apart and thought I had a broken needle clip. I ordered new
clips and saw that the new ones have a small slit in them too, so it wasn't
broken. But then I noticed the new one looked like it had a new design to it.
I put the new one on and cleaned off my exhaust probe some (it was pretty black
and wet too).
After doing all that, I flew, and the EGT's were registering almost the same
temps. So I can't help but think that the new clip helped in some way. A
friend of mine said he remembered reading somewhere where there was an advisory
of some type to replace that clip. Apparently cleaning the probe helped the EGT
gauge work better too. The one side still isn't registering during taxi, but I
may not have cleaned the probe enough.
I suppose when I check the spark plugs again after flying some more hours, it'll
tell me more.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255592#255592
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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