---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/09/09: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:26 AM - Re: best time of the year (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: best time of the year (loseyf@comcast.net) 3. 04:47 AM - Re: best time of the year (Thom Riddle) 4. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: best time of the year (loseyf@comcast.net) 5. 05:23 AM - UK Kolbers (loseyf@comcast.net) 6. 07:15 AM - Re: best time of the year (lucien) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: best time of the year (loseyf@comcast.net) 8. 08:02 AM - Re: best time of the year (lucien) 9. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: best time of the year (loseyf@comcast.net) 10. 10:11 AM - Need advice on insturments (Clyde MacQuarrie) 11. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: best time of the year (George Thompson) 12. 10:29 AM - Re: Need advice on insturments (JetPilot) 13. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: best time of the year (robert bean) 14. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Need advice on insturments (robert bean) 15. 11:38 AM - Re: Need advice on insturments (JetPilot) 16. 12:57 PM - Re: Need advice on insturments (lucien) 17. 01:02 PM - Re: best time of the year (lucien) 18. 01:50 PM - Oil filters for the HKS (Richard Girard) 19. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Need advice on insturments (John Hauck) 20. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing (pj.ladd) 21. 02:43 PM - Re: Need advice on insturments (lucien) 22. 07:52 PM - Re: Need advice on insturments (JetPilot) 23. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Need advice on insturments (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: "Thom Riddle" Capedavis, Ditto what BB said. Attached are two photos taken on St. Patrick's Day of 2004. Note for the holiday challenged that this is March 17, not January :-). One photo is of my back yard. The other is looking out my bedroom window on the second floor. This is not a flying friendly place in the winter. BUT the summers generally make up for it. We haven't had temps reach 90F in two years. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256733#256733 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3170005_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3170004_189.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: loseyf@comcast.net The very reason we moved from Rochester to Boca Raton FL.....13 years ago. Fran Losey N62FL in process www.mykitlog.com/loseyf ------Original Message------ From: Thom Riddle Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Aug 9, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year Capedavis, Ditto what BB said. Attached are two photos taken on St. Patrick's Day of 2004. Note for the holiday challenged that this is March 17, not January :-). One photo is of my back yard. The other is looking out my bedroom window on the second floor. This is not a flying friendly place in the winter. BUT the summers generally make up for it. We haven't had temps reach 90F in two years. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256733#256733 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3170005_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3170004_189.jpg Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: "Thom Riddle" Fran, I moved from Atlanta to Buffalo when I retired to get away from the hot and humid summers that begin in March and end in November, not to mention the horrible traffic and air pollution of a big city. To each his own, different strokes for different folks and all that. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256744#256744 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: loseyf@comcast.net No doubt summers are brutally hot in the South. We do enjoy Winter though. Still have my roots around Geneseo, we visit family a couple of times a year. Still a Bill's fan, still a Saber's fan....doubt I will ever change. Take care. ------Original Message------ From: Thom Riddle Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Aug 9, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year Fran, I moved from Atlanta to Buffalo when I retired to get away from the hot and humid summers that begin in March and end in November, not to mention the horrible traffic and air pollution of a big city. To each his own, different strokes for different folks and all that. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256744#256744 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: UK Kolbers From: loseyf@comcast.net Just curious if there are any Kolb builders or fliers in the UK? I am heading to Dublin and London on business next two weeks, and always enjoy taking time to meet fellow enthusiasts if the opportunity presents itself. Let me know, if interested. Fran Losey N62FL MKIII X in process www.mykitlog.com/loseyf Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: "lucien" Fran Losey wrote: > No doubt summers are brutally hot in the South. We do enjoy Winter though. Still have my roots around Geneseo, we visit family a couple of times a year. > > Still a Bill's fan, still a Saber's fan....doubt I will ever change. > > Take care. > --- I'm with Thom on this one. The gulf coast is like the arctic in reverse - one of the most brutal climates on the planet but in the hot direction and one of the hardest places to escape from (took me nearly 30 years to get the $$$$ out of there). The flying season there for light a/c is very short, a brief period in the middle of the rainy season starting in mid October and ends pretty much end of Jan to mid Feb. After that the wind picks up 15G25 out of the SE and stays that way until the next Oct. The rare events when the wind isn't howling, it's too hot and polluted to fly. There's a layer of yellow smog from the cities (San Antonio generally) from about 800 to 2000 AGL at almost all times, that completely ruins flying. You're pretty much grounded one way or the other from med Feb to the next Oct. Gulf coast is a terrible place to live or fly - don't listen to the hype ;). Here in northern NM we still have the troublesome spring and summer, but we get a lot more breaks here and there. towards end of summer you can start getting off the ground more regularly. Fall is magical and winter is great flying wx tho good cold weather gear is a necessity ;). But the air is clean and the climate is far less harsh on your body, plane and mental/emotional condition. Life on the ground when you are grounded is night-and-day better than the filthy, mold-choked oven that is the gulf coast. ok, rant over. The TX PTSD is still with me a bit ;) LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256763#256763 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: loseyf@comcast.net I am envious of the West, I go there on business from time to time, and truly it is a mystical land of God's creations, beauty everywhere. A few years ago I flew a PA28 from Boca Raton to Anchorage and back, the West was absolutely the scenic highlight of the trip. Sounds like you are right where you should be...life is good! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "lucien" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year Fran Losey wrote: > No doubt summers are brutally hot in the South. We do enjoy Winter though. Still have my roots around Geneseo, we visit family a couple of times a year. > > Still a Bill's fan, still a Saber's fan....doubt I will ever change. > > Take care. > --- I'm with Thom on this one. The gulf coast is like the arctic in reverse - one of the most brutal climates on the planet but in the hot direction and one of the hardest places to escape from (took me nearly 30 years to get the $$$$ out of there). The flying season there for light a/c is very short, a brief period in the middle of the rainy season starting in mid October and ends pretty much end of Jan to mid Feb. After that the wind picks up 15G25 out of the SE and stays that way until the next Oct. The rare events when the wind isn't howling, it's too hot and polluted to fly. There's a layer of yellow smog from the cities (San Antonio generally) from about 800 to 2000 AGL at almost all times, that completely ruins flying. You're pretty much grounded one way or the other from med Feb to the next Oct. Gulf coast is a terrible place to live or fly - don't listen to the hype ;). Here in northern NM we still have the troublesome spring and summer, but we get a lot more breaks here and there. towards end of summer you can start getting off the ground more regularly. Fall is magical and winter is great flying wx tho good cold weather gear is a necessity ;). But the air is clean and the climate is far less harsh on your body, plane and mental/emotional condition. Life on the ground when you are grounded is night-and-day better than the filthy, mold-choked oven that is the gulf coast. ok, rant over. The TX PTSD is still with me a bit ;) LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256763#256763 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: "lucien" Fran Losey wrote: > I am envious of the West, I go there on business from time to time, and truly it is a mystical land of God's creations, beauty everywhere. A few years ago I flew a PA28 from Boca Raton to Anchorage and back, the West was absolutely the scenic highlight of the trip. > > Sounds like you are right where you should be...life is good! > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -- Last winter, I flew the titan to Taos, NM and back. Pretty short xcountry of only about 60 miles and it was probably about 10F inside the plane the whole time, due to being near the SP limit of 10,000' MSL for most of the trip. but the scenery of the mountains out there is nothing short of spectacular even on a pretty much local flight. The mountains in CO were still clearly visible nearly 100 miles away as I approached taos. Friend of mine and I went to pagosa springs and then again recently to grand junction in his RV6. Visibility in the RV isn't as good of course, so I'm going to try to repeat the pagosa springs trip this year in my plane. Taos is on the plate too. The atmosphere calms down somewhat in the winter and you can make fairly comfortable flights in the mountains. Spring and summer just has too much wind and convective activity for my tastes, but the reward really comes in fall/winter....... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256771#256771 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: loseyf@comcast.net Awesome! ------Original Message------ From: lucien Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Aug 9, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year Fran Losey wrote: > I am envious of the West, I go there on business from time to time, and truly it is a mystical land of God's creations, beauty everywhere. A few years ago I flew a PA28 from Boca Raton to Anchorage and back, the West was absolutely the scenic highlight of the trip. > > Sounds like you are right where you should be...life is good! > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -- Last winter, I flew the titan to Taos, NM and back. Pretty short xcountry of only about 60 miles and it was probably about 10F inside the plane the whole time, due to being near the SP limit of 10,000' MSL for most of the trip. but the scenery of the mountains out there is nothing short of spectacular even on a pretty much local flight. The mountains in CO were still clearly visible nearly 100 miles away as I approached taos. Friend of mine and I went to pagosa springs and then again recently to grand junction in his RV6. Visibility in the RV isn't as good of course, so I'm going to try to repeat the pagosa springs trip this year in my plane. Taos is on the plate too. The atmosphere calms down somewhat in the winter and you can make fairly comfortable flights in the mountains. Spring and summer just has too much wind and convective activity for my tastes, but the reward really comes in fall/winter....... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256771#256771 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:43 AM PST US From: Clyde MacQuarrie Subject: Kolb-List: Need advice on insturments I am in the process of finishing a Mark 111 Classic which will have a new 582 Rotax installed in it. Questions? Should the Tachometer be mechanical driven or electronic? Coolant, Manifolds, Cylinder Heads, gauges for all three? And finally a good air speed indicator model. I will be buying from Aircraft Spruce in Canada in order to save on excise taxes and shipping. Any help would be greatly appreciated. clydemacquarrie@eastlink.ca ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:57 AM PST US From: George Thompson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year My one cent worth------You don't have to shovel Sunshine=0A=0A-- The Ol d Az Bald Eagle=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thom Riddl e =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:26:08 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year=0A=0A-- davis,=0A=0ADitto what BB said. Attached are two photos taken on St. Patric k's Day of 2004. Note for the holiday challenged that this is March 17, not January :-). One photo is of my back yard. The other is looking out my bed room window on the second floor.=0A=0AThis is not a flying friendly place i n the winter. BUT the summers generally make up for it. We haven't had temp s reach 90F in two years.=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 64x34=0A=0AA complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.=0A- - John Gaule=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256733#256733=0A=0A=0A =0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p3170005_184.jp -======================== ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:27 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments From: "JetPilot" Electronic instruments are very much Superior to old mechanical gages. With old style gages, its easy to miss something going out of limits as you fly and enjoy the view outside, its just human... With an electronic EIS, you have a flashing red light whenever something starts to get out of limits, you cant miss the big red light flashing in your face even if your attention is not at the panel. A very good and inexpensive engine package is Grand Rapids EIS. Fully programmable, reliable, and tells you everything you would ever want to know and then some ! Best of all, it does the engine monitoring for you so your attention can be more on your flying and the amazing outside view, which is the best part of flying a Kolb ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256795#256795 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:37 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year When you are retired you don't have to shovel. Life is good when you no longer have to crawl under a disabled car in the cold. Now I can turn up my water source heat pump and relax. (unlimited water supply) When the sun comes back I head out for a delightful hike. Very comfortable with insulated long johns. I paid my dues plus some. Split wood for the kitchen woodstove in the dark after work. Fixed the kid's cars in the basement. It was tough at times but I don't regret a wonderful past. BB On 9, Aug 2009, at 1:19 PM, George Thompson wrote: > My one cent worth------You don't have to shovel Sunshine > The Old Az Bald Eagle > From: Thom Riddle > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:26:08 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year > > > Capedavis, > > Ditto what BB said. Attached are two photos taken on St. Patrick's > Day of 2004. Note for the holiday challenged that this is March 17, > not January :-). One photo is of my back yard. The other is looking > out my bedroom window on the second floor. > > This is not a flying friendly place in the winter. BUT the summers > generally make up for it. We haven't had temps reach 90F in two years. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved > from a simple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256733#256733 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3170005_184.jpg > http://forums.matrobsp; -Matt Dralle, ========== > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:01 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments What is the best reasonably priced unit that you can see in bright sunlight.? I hate little dim numbers. My boiler gauges are visible at all times. BB On 9, Aug 2009, at 1:29 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > Electronic instruments are very much Superior to old mechanical > gages. With old style gages, its easy to miss something going out > of limits as you fly and enjoy the view outside, its just human... > With an electronic EIS, you have a flashing red light whenever > something starts to get out of limits, you cant miss the big red > light flashing in your face even if your attention is not at the > panel. A very good and inexpensive engine package is Grand Rapids > EIS. Fully programmable, reliable, and tells you everything you > would ever want to know and then some ! Best of all, it does the > engine monitoring for you so your attention can be more on your > flying and the amazing outside view, which is the best part of > flying a Kolb ! > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256795#256795 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments From: "JetPilot" The Grand Rapids EIS has an LCD display, it is visible in direct sunlight as well as any gage. The numbers are large on the EIS, much larger than the tiny numbers on an old style gage. It is also back lit for evening / night should you ever need that. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256803#256803 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments From: "lucien" JetPilot wrote: > The Grand Rapids EIS has an LCD display, it is visible in direct sunlight as well as any gage. The numbers are large on the EIS, much larger than the tiny numbers on an old style gage. It is also back lit for evening / night should you ever need that. > > Mike I second the GR EIS recommendation. It's a little pricey but in the final analysis the best way to go to really monitor the motor. My FSII had one and I have one in my current plane and they both give really good service. Most also have some rudimentary flight instruments like an altimeter, OAT and etc. I use the alt. in mine as my main altimeter and it works fine... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256809#256809 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: best time of the year From: "lucien" eagle1live(at)yahoo.com wrote: > My one cent worth------You don't have to shovel Sunshine > > The Old Az Bald Eagle > Well ok Thom's pictures, now I'll agree that's a little out of control. You got me on that one.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256810#256810 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Oil filters for the HKS From: Richard Girard When my HKS was ready for its first oil change, I called Flight Designs to get info on a comparable filter to the one spec'd by the factory. He gave me one of the Wix models, the 51394, and not being able to find one at the local parts store I went looking again and settled on the K & N HP- 1003. Since they have raised the price 40% since I bought the last one, I went looking again today. I back tracked at the K & N website and found this list of equivalents for the K & N HP-1003. ManufacturerPart NumberACPF1233ACPH228BRIGGS820314CHAMPION LAB.PH2840FRAM PH2951FRAMPH4386FRAMPH4967FRAMPH5166MOBIL1M1103MOTORCRAFTEFL89MOTORCRAFT FL271MOTORCRAFTFL782MOTORCRAFTFL836MOTORCRAFTFL840ONAN1220338ONAN1220737PURO L14476PUROL14477PUROL22821WIX51366WIX51394WIX51395WIX51396WIX51625 CROSS REFERENCE WARNING - When a specific filter is not shown in our application search results for a specific vehicle application, it should be assumed that there is not a K&N filter for that vehicle. Any use of this cross reference guide to find a replacement filter is done at the installer's risk. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:06 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments > Electronic instruments are very much Superior to old mechanical gages. > With old style gages, its easy to miss something > > Mike I've been getting pretty good mileage out of my analog gauges, my engines and airplane too. Hope I didn't waste my money on those expensive VDO Marine engine instruments, at 25.00 a whack. I can do a quick cross check of my entire instrument panel before you can react to the flashing red light, then punch the button to pull up the correct page to see why the EIS or engine in malfunctioning. ;-) Usually, by the time we discover a problem, through EIS or analog gauges, it is too late, ...or there is a malfunction in one of the senders and/or the instrument. None of these systems are precise, but folks will chase their tails to get the two needles or indicators to match, retuning fuel systems, changing spark plugs, etc. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:40 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: W & B, cruising, stalling and landing You can delay the luff by trimming in the sails, but relative wind moving forward does not allow you to point up further.>> Hi Russ, arguing with you about sailing is like arguing with the Hauck about flying and I have more sense than to do either. Starting from the assumption that you were right I reworked the problem....I think my memory of what we did was accurate but the reason we did it was not. As I remebered it, and I haven`t sailed a dinghy for nearly 60 years, it was always `harden up in the gusts` but having spent some time today drawing diagrams and trying to think myself through the problem I have come to the conclusion that hardening up in the gusts was probably to spill some wind to avoid a knockdown. I DO remember that when I sailed catamarans we bore away from the wind in the gusts because cats accelerated so much faster than monohulls they could ride out a strong gust just by going faster. Sincere apologies all the way round, my analogy was unsound. I still think I am right about the rest of my argument. About `boot` sales. Remember that in the UK the trunk of your car (where you put the luggage) is our boot. Hence a boot sale happens when a farmer makes a field available. He charges people who wish to sell goods, from the boot of their car, to park in his field and set up shop. Sometimes stuff is laid out on a groundsheet on the grass, some bring folding tables. The farmer then charges prospective customers to park in the filelds and go shopping. Most of the stuff is rubbish, but one mans rubbish is anothers treasure. Cheap CD`s and DVD`s sometimes pirated, some just secondhand copies . Cheap hand tools, garden tools, fishing stuff, you name it. It is a very popular way of passing a Sunday morning in the UK. Some affairs are gigantic, perhaps on an old airfield, sometimes a small affair with the profits going to the local church or Boy Scouts. The farmer whose farm I fly from runs a boot sale and proceeds go to the local Flying Ambulance Service. To get back to flying. Just landed from a nice flight of about an hour. Didn`t take off until about 7.45 so the wind had dropped and the air was smooth. The Bristol Balloon Festival has been going on all week and there were dozens of hot air balloons drifting down towards my field, gettting in the last flight of the competition. Spectacular flying alongside the balloon stream . crazy designs and brilliant colours. Had to watch it a bit as they were coming out of the setting sun and were hard to see from slightly above. Getting dusk when I landed and everyone else had packed up. Pleasant way to end up a weekend of glorious weather. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > I've been getting pretty good mileage out of my analog gauges, my engines > and airplane too. > > Hope I didn't waste my money on those expensive VDO Marine engine > instruments, at 25.00 a whack. > > I can do a quick cross check of my entire instrument panel before you can > react to the flashing red light, then punch the button to pull up the > correct page to see why the EIS or engine in malfunctioning. ;-) > > Usually, by the time we discover a problem, through EIS or analog gauges, it > is too late, ...or there is a malfunction in one of the senders and/or the > instrument. None of these systems are precise, but folks will chase their > tails to get the two needles or indicators to match, retuning fuel systems, > changing spark plugs, etc. > > john h > mkIII The EIS automagically puts the offending indicator up on the panel for you and even brings it up blinking. No need to search any menus. the first time the EIS did this for me in my FSII I was immediately sold on it. I instantly knew what the problem was (low voltage in my case) and was able to start making decisions on what to do right away. The one in my current plane does the same thing (again low voltage when my Ducrappy voltage regulator burnt itself out). Another nicety is the temperature compensation for the EGT/CHT probes. I.e. they don't start reading hot when the weather gets cold, you always get a consistent reading. Don't get me wrong, I"m a steam gauge dude from way back who was brought up on the old westach gauges and I still love em. I just like the EIS more nowadays... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256821#256821 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments From: "JetPilot" The other feature of the electronic gages is that they are fully programmable. I set the gages to alert me in the case that any parameter gets out of normal, even though its still in limits of the engine. I know where my oil temperature runs, if it even starts to get hot, I am alerted before it is anywhere near the limit... Same with water, voltage, EGT, anything that gets away from what the ES typically sees alerts me before it is a problem. We had a guy here at our club just burn up his Rotax 912, he had old steam gages and lost the water out and did not notice it over temping until the engine started to lose power, by then it was much to late. Had he had an EIS with the red light flashing as soon at the temp started to go up, he would have saved almost 20,000 dollars. The 500 bucks for the Gand Rapid EIS system complete with sensors is well worth the price, and not that much more than the old steam gages in the end. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256868#256868 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:21 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need advice on insturments > We had a guy here at our club just burn up his Rotax 912, he had old steam gages and lost the water out and did not notice it over temping until the engine started to lose power, by then it was much to late. Had he had an EIS with the red light flashing as soon at the temp started to go up, he would have saved almost 20,000 dollars. The 500 bucks for the Gand Rapid EIS system complete with sensors is well worth the price, and not that much more than the old steam gages in the end. > > Mike Mike/Gang: If the pilot had a good cross check of his instruments, he could have prevented burning up the engine. Undoubtedly, he didn't. The 912 series engines are primarily oil cooled with help from water for the heads and air for the cylinders. If coolant is lost in flight, a reduction in power will keep the temps low enough to make a good forced landing at a safe area. My mkIII will maintain altitude at 3,000 rpm. At that power setting the 912ULS is generating very little heat. A 912UL even less. Reminds me, I have a couple radiator hose elbows that need replacement. They are starting to get swelled look. john h ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.