Kolb-List Digest Archive

Fri 08/21/09


Total Messages Posted: 31



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:00 AM - Re: Confident With My Equipment (John Bickham)
     2. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Confident With My Equipment (John Hauck)
     3. 07:19 AM - Alaska 2004 Photo (John Hauck)
     4. 07:20 AM - Kolb Photo (John Hauck)
     5. 08:55 AM - Re: First Flight follow-up, (Richard Pike)
     6. 09:44 AM - Re: First Flight follow-up, (JetPilot)
     7. 10:10 AM - Re: Kolb Photo (JetPilot)
     8. 10:23 AM - Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason (JetPilot)
     9. 11:00 AM - Just plain ol' Waycross (cristalclear13)
    10. 12:35 PM - wieght and balance sheet for My M3X (ces308)
    11. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Photo (John Hauck)
    12. 12:41 PM - Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X (ces308)
    13. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X (robert bean)
    14. 01:53 PM - Re: Just plain ol' Waycross (John Bickham)
    15. 02:36 PM - group fly out (zeprep251@aol.com)
    16. 04:20 PM - Firestar II Project for sale (special4)
    17. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: First Flight follow-up, (HGRAFF@aol.com)
    18. 04:37 PM - Re: First Flight follow-up, (Richard Pike)
    19. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: First Flight follow-up, (robert bean)
    20. 06:38 PM - Re: First Flight follow-up, (Richard Pike)
    21. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: First Flight follow-up, (Eugene Zimmerman)
    22. 07:18 PM - Re: Alaska 2004 Photo (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
    23. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: First Flight follow-up, (John Hauck)
    24. 07:49 PM - Re: Alaska 2004 Photo (John Hauck)
    25. 07:51 PM - Re: Kolb Photo (cristalclear13)
    26. 08:02 PM - Re: Kolb Photo (JetPilot)
    27. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Photo (John Hauck)
    28. 08:14 PM - Re: Just plain ol' Waycross (JetPilot)
    29. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: First Flight follow-up, (robert bean)
    30. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Photo (John Hauck)
    31. 08:57 PM - Re: First Flight follow-up, (JetPilot)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:00:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
    From: "John Bickham" <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
    Here is my example of "confident with my equipment". Picture of Rainbow Bridge, located about 40 miles west of MV. Roughest terrain I have ever flown over. Hard, steep rock everywhere. Don't think there is a flat spot of over 100 feet for 8 - 10 miles in all directions. I've gotten a lot help and advice from some folks to get my plane and equipment to a point to be able to make this kind of trip! Challenging, but worth every minute. Of all the flying I've done, these long XC's are the real test of pilot and plane. The KISS method helps too when you do have an issue out there, away from home. Sometimes a trip to local Wal-Mart or NAPA can get you going in a few minutes vs a few days or even weeks. Even on a Sunday. Just my humble opinion. This trip, over 4600 sm and +61 hours and not a single mechanical/equipment issue. All I had to do was put good, clean fuel in her. Thanks to those that helped me get there! -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258943#258943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rainbow_bridge_146.jpg


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    Time: 05:42:50 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
    > Picture of Rainbow Bridge, located about 40 miles west of MV. Roughest terrain I have ever flown over. Hard, steep rock everywhere. Don't think there is a flat spot of over 100 feet for 8 - 10 miles in all directions. > > John Bickham Here's a little more info on Rainbow Bridge: http://www.onlineutah.com/rainbowbridgehistory.shtml john h mkIII


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    Time: 07:19:29 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Alaska 2004 Photo
    Came across this one while looking for something else. Got out the map and measured from where I had landed on the beach of the Arctic Ocean, at the site Will Rogers and Wiley Post were killed in 1935, 12 miles south of Barrow, Alaska, to the nearest coast line of Russia. From my left wing tip to Russia is 450 miles southwest. If I had had the courage and capability to fly the Alaskan coast southwest to Wales, AK, I would have been 50 miles from Russia. To get to Wales from Barrow is 480 miles. To fly to Anchorage from Wales would have been 639 miles, with very few gas pumps in between. Hard to comprehend how big Alaska is, and how much complete wilderness there is up there, until you get out there and fly it in a little airplane. john h mkIII


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    Time: 07:20:01 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Kolb Photo
    One of my favorites taken by John Williamson at Larry Cottrell's Rock House, landing to the south, downhill, on the departure end of the airstrip. john h mkIII


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    Time: 08:55:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Resolved with a trim tab on the rudder turned to the right, and a ground adjustable tab on the right aileron. If you add tabs, you will probably end up adding counterbalances to reduce the tendency of control surfaces to flutter. On my first landing, I got into a momentary PIO just before touchdown, incurred by being too hyper and nervous. Settled down, no further problems. MKIII elevator is sensitive, but that's not a problem unless you are hyper... On Ed's FSII, we also had the pitot and static air above the nosecone for a while, never could get it to get anywhere close to accurate. Ended up putting it below and slightly forward of the nosecone, worked fine. More details here http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm Keep tweaking - Richard Pike MKIII N420P (42oldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258977#258977


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    Time: 09:44:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Richard Pike wrote: > > > On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Keep tweaking - > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (42oldPoops) > > I have no such problems with my MK III. Weather I am alone or with a 200 pound passenger, I can fly feet on the floor, and ailerons roll the plane very well in both directions. There is a very small roll trim change, due to weight being heavier to one side of the plane, but so small that I can fly it with just two fingers on the stick alone or with passengers... My Kolb is so stable and flys so well, it is well worth to do the research and work to rig your plane properly. My Kolb is as easy to fly in cruise as about any airplane, my first time passengers, even non pilots never have any trouble taking the stick and driving it around the sky in cruise, never needing to touch the rudder pedals, and never any porpoising. I have had experience with flying my MK III out of rig on the first flights, and it was very dicey in Roll control, to the point of being dangerous, but it was very easy to fix by properly aligning the trailing edges of the wing with washers. If your Kolb does not fly nice and stable, do whatever it takes to fix it, because a properly rigged Kolb MK III is very relaxing and docile to fly. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258988#258988


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    Time: 10:10:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    That is a cool picture, definitely makes your Kolb look like a bush plane ! Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258992#258992


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    Time: 10:23:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    John H has a higher cruise speed than my MK III Xtra. I also seem to get much more pitch down from my big flat front window and need a lot more up elevator to counteract it. Given what I have seen, I think the MK III Classic is faster with less drag. But I still love my wide cockpit and huge windows :) Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258993#258993


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    Time: 11:00:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Just plain ol' Waycross
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    Got to fly a bit this morning (no fog! yeah!) Pretty plain pictures compared to what some of you fly over. But I enjoyed practicing my landings. I needed the practice! Got 7 in before having to head to work. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258997#258997 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn6_at_ays_2009_08_21_121.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn5_at_ays_2009_08_21_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn3_at_ays_2009_08_21_481.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn1_at_ays_2009_08_21_109.jpg


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    Time: 12:35:12 PM PST US
    Subject: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    here it is Mike.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259001#259001


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    Time: 12:40:51 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
    > That is a cool picture, definitely makes your Kolb look like a bush plane ! > > Mike Wonder why? Sometimes it acts like a bush plane, especially in the bush. Here's one of the Kolb Camp, Alvord Desert, 2005, in front of the Steens Mountain. This was the first get together of the Rock House Gang, a year prior to there being a Rock House in the family. Larry gave us GPS coordinates to meet on the Alvord. Gary Haley, John Williamson, and I flew from Texas and Alabama for our first camp out on the Alvord. We had a great time with Larry, Karen, and Roger Hankins. Nice looking group of Kolbs, and a damn fine looking camp. I was hooked on the Alvord immediately. I have visited the Alvord six times since 2005. Will be in the Alvord again in a few weeks. I love it. Not many people. ;-) The second photo was a mandatory pit stop in a dry river bed southwest of Baker, CA, on the return flight home from the Alvord, 2005. As a precaution, prior to takeoff, I dug out the sand from the front of the main gear. It was much deeper than I anticipated, but the 800X6 Airtracs did a good job of getting me in and out. Would not land there normally, but this was a semi-emergency. I had flown from near Santa Clarita, CA, non-stop with a full load of coffee. john h mkIII - Almost a bush plane. ;-)


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    Time: 12:41:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    let's try this again...... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259002#259002


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    Time: 01:40:09 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X
    and again?.......... On 21, Aug 2009, at 3:41 PM, ces308 wrote: > > let's try this again...... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259002#259002 > >


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    Time: 01:53:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Just plain ol' Waycross
    From: "John Bickham" <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
    Ms. Crystal, Always enjoy and appreciate Kolb flying pictures. I too am back to flying over "just" pine trees and sugar cane fields. We are expected a cold front to move this weekend that should cool things off and increase the visibility for us. Going get fuel for the weekend. Keep the pics of "plain ol Waycross" coming. do not archive -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259012#259012


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    Time: 02:36:13 PM PST US
    Subject: group fly out
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    To anyone in the area of the Lake Erie Islands.Saturday A.M.5 or 6 planes of the North coast lite flyers will be heading that way.Our first stop will be Wakeman (I64) about 8:30.If you care to join us, we will be on 123.475 when enroute from Akron Ohio.Not to far for you Rick! ? G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200a


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    Time: 04:20:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Firestar II Project for sale
    From: "special4" <sportsflyer@comcast.net>
    I have to many projects and need the Hangar space. Firestar II project for sale. See ad on Barnstormers. Peter Sonders -------- Sportsflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259025#259025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestarfuse_167.jpg


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    Time: 04:23:37 PM PST US
    From: HGRAFF@aol.com
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    Thanks Richard, As well as the many others, for their encouragement and good advise. You write about exactly as my off line mentor has done, describing very similar experiences. The tabs are still to be tried out and fortunately both ailerons as well as the rudder are already counterbalanced, so the addition of tabs should not raise that much flutter worry. I have adjusted to the elevator sensitivity and have not a problem with it in landing. (I hope it stays that way if turbulence). There is more difficulty with nervous feet after the landing to keep from over-controlling. Somebody said the Mark III steers like a nose-wheel craft and I have to concur with that, it is very precise and responsive. I'm used to "Break-Away" tail wheels like on the Citabria, where after the break only the rudder is in control. Though plain taxiing is banal, in real sharp turns I sure miss the toe brakes. I have difficulties pushing the rudder to its stop, plus getting the heel brake to assist me. Don't laugh, but what I do is push the rudder with one foot and use the other foot to operate the heel brake to assist. (Man, can I see comments flying my way about this!) In regards to the pitot static above the cone, the indications are surely bogus and it will be moved to the bottom in order of business. I am surprised nobody has taken me to task of reporting stall at 42-45, but climbing out at 40. Don't ask me to explain it, I'll just say the indications are silly. Fortunately, I have a very good sense of feel what an aircraft wants to do and are comfortable enough. (Maybe that is because I also hold an International Aerobatic rating {NO, none of that in the Kolb}). Richard, thanks again for sharing your first flight experiences, it is most re-assuring to get it. I don't feel that oddball any more in my first Kolb flying. If someone has a picture of his pitot/static positioning below the cabin, he is satisfied with, would you please send a copy to me off line, because I would like to get it into the correct position with just one hole drilling. Thanks, Herb Mark IIIc, 246KT just 1.3 hrs In a message dated 8/21/2009 11:55:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richard@bcchapel.org writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Resolved with a trim tab on the rudder turned to the right, and a ground adjustable tab on the right aileron. If you add tabs, you will probably end up adding counterbalances to reduce the tendency of control surfaces to flutter. On my first landing, I got into a momentary PIO just before touchdown, incurred by being too hyper and nervous. Settled down, no further problems. MKIII elevator is sensitive, but that's not a problem unless you are hyper... On Ed's FSII, we also had the pitot and static air above the nosecone for a while, never could get it to get anywhere close to accurate. Ended up putting it below and slightly forward of the nosecone, worked fine. More details here http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm Keep tweaking - Richard Pike MKIII N420P (42oldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258977#258977


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    Time: 04:37:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences would be very different that they have been. I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he was dead on the money that time. Just for the heck of it I have gone to the extreme of cranking in 4" of strut length on each lift strut to increase the dihedral to a ridiculous amount, just to see if it would help. Nada. Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259029#259029


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    Time: 06:12:10 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    Richard, please share with us the new flight characteristics of the added dihedral. If I change my wing incidence that will be changed as a side effect. I get slower and s l o w e r every year getting around to these things. BTW, I have a very neutral stick in slow cruise but I sure won't be letting go of it. Additionally I need to take the slop out of the little horizontal bolt at the base. It takes very little play to magnify into a lot of slack. One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires and stuff holding it together. BB On 21, Aug 2009, at 7:37 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am > sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences > would be very different that they have been. > > I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at > Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands > off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never > get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my > experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he > was dead on the money that time. > > Just for the heck of it I have gone to the extreme of cranking in > 4" of strut length on each lift strut to increase the dihedral to a > ridiculous amount, just to see if it would help. Nada. > > Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated > use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just > not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as > perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259029#259029 > >


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    Time: 06:38:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    "Richard, please share with us the new flight characteristics of the added dihedral." Waste of time. Accomplishes nothing on a MKIII. Works great on a FSII. "Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires and stuff holding it together." BB Used to have a Quicksilver MX, flying that dude in bumpy air was freaky, you could feel all the various airframe parts "shuffling." Had to keep reminding myself that it really was alright, but never really got any real peace of mind about it.. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259035#259035


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    Time: 06:48:15 PM PST US
    From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote: > One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the > inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds > through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many > years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb?


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    Time: 07:18:56 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
    John h, Is Wales the point from which Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from? Wow! You flew to Barrow! That's almost out of this world. Great job. Great pics. You can see the curvature of the earth, errrr, I mean the ocean. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive In a message dated 8/21/2009 10:20:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: If I had had the courage and capability to fly the Alaskan coast southwest to Wales, AK, I would have been 50 miles from Russia.


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    Time: 07:46:22 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    > One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the > inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds > through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many > years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. > > Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires > and stuff holding it together. > BB Most MKIII's don't wiggle in the air. With a few added braces here and there, my old mkIII is very rigid. john h mkIII


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    Time: 07:49:13 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
    Bill V/Gang: I don't know about Sarah. She may also have been on Diomede Island. Big Diomede is Russian territory and Little Diomede (or Diomede) is US. They are about 2.5 miles apart. My little MKIII has been north of Point Barrow, northernmost point of the North American Continent in 2001 and 2004. Was in Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay 1994, 2001, and 2004. The old guys on the List know all about those flights, but the newer folks may not realize that one of their own has done some cross country flying, in the same old MKIII. Kolbs have a lot more capability than Homer ever dreamed of, and most Kolb owners and flyers too. Making preliminary plans to fly back to Alaska next summer in the same airplane at the ripe old age of 71, if I can still do it and have fun while I am at it. I had planned to do it this summer, but things did not work out the way I wanted them to. I'd like to fly the west coast of Alaska, but that is a very difficult flight in most any kind of airplane. I'll have to do a lot of study to see if I can make it on available fuel. Fuel will be the biggest problem, followed by weather. Take care, john h mkIII Is Wales the point from which Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from? Wow! You flew to Barrow! That's almost out of this world. Great job. Great pics. You can see the curvature of the earth, errrr, I mean the ocean. Bill Varnes


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    Time: 07:51:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    John Hauck wrote: > One of my favorites taken by John Williamson at Larry Cottrell's Rock House, > landing to the south, downhill, on the departure end of the airstrip. > > john h > mkIII Same one as your avatar. Even cooler when so much larger. Imagine that painted on the front of a hanger door! :) -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259043#259043


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    Time: 08:02:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    John H. I could sit here and look at hundreds of those pictures... John Bickman put it well when he titled his blog " Living the Dream ". Flying a Kolb around the country with a bunch of other guys every summer, life does not get any better than that. Taking your Trailer and ATV and touring the west has to come in a close second ! Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259044#259044


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    Time: 08:14:21 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
    > Same one as your avatar. Even cooler when so much larger. Imagine that painted on the front of a hanger door! :) > > -------- > Cristal Waters Ahhhhh! That is what an avatar is. ;-) John W took some more real good photos that day at Larry Cottrell's. We took turns flying and taking photos. Lucky me, John W took much better pictures than I did. john h mkIII


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    Time: 08:14:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Just plain ol' Waycross
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    cristalclear13 wrote: > . I needed the practice! Got 7 in before having to head to work. I only got in 3 before it got dark yesterday, but I plan to make up for that tomorrow and Sunday :) Good to see you in the air and flying again ! Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259045#259045


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    Time: 08:14:55 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the other models don't feel the same way since I have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the differential waves of air caused by the variable airflow from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much because of the smoother blend behind the doors. In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most? Just kidding. That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the flight envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural integrity but it does affect my mental attitude. Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are sloppier than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure) The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have had a few root rib failures when overstressed. Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never was rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels pretty solid. BB On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote: > >> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the >> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds >> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so >> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. > > > Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb? > >


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    Time: 08:51:08 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
    Flying a Kolb around the country with a bunch of other guys every summer, life does not get any better than that. Taking your Trailer and ATV and touring the west has to come in a close second ! > > Mike Mike B: Yep, we have a good time when we get together. We sure miss the many Kolbers we have lost over the last few years. Hopefully, more will come along and take their place. About the only time I fly now days, is my flight West in May, John B's Nauga Fly Around, and maybe Lakeland for Sun and Fun. I don't do much local flying any more. Have other hobbies and chores to keep me busy. I do like to travel and hope to see as many Kolb folks as I can on this next trip West. Here's a couple photos of Homer Kolb flying his 1985 Firestar Oshkosh Grand Champion Ultralight at his farm, 15 June 2007. john h mkIII


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    Time: 08:57:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Richard Pike wrote: > How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences would be very different that they have been. > > I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he was dead on the money that time. > > > Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) I did my homework, and got excellent advice from John H about rigging my Kolb, and it flys exactly as I describe. It took many flights, lots of experimentation, and a good amount of work to make my plane fly as well possible. It did not happen by itself, and it did not happen overnight, but I kept at it and got it to fly very well. In cruise my wife flys with her feet on the floor and just uses the stick to fly around, my Kolb flys very well with just the stick in cruise flight, turns and all. I fly a lot of passengers, and they have had no trouble driving it around the sky in cruise with just the stick, I keep it simple and enjoyable for them. I don't even have them touch the rudder pedals unless they are interested in learning to takeoff and land. What I never said was that my Kolb was perfect. I also never said that it would fly by itself hands off. The Kolb is a pusher and there has to be some constant control input by the pilot, but it is easy and stable just as I have reported. >From the tone of your message you are obviously doing your best to create doubt about my flight reports. Every time you respond to a post I write, you to try to discredit it an indirect way, either a sarcastic comment, or putting words into my mouth as you did here when you started saying " Perfect " and your bit about flying " hands off " in this post. Whatever old grudge you may have, I don't care about any more and you should just let it go, your need to get a little revenge for something long forgotten is very unbecoming of a priest. I am surprised you are one of the last few people that is trying to keep an old feud going. All that is over as far as I am concerned. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259059#259059




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