---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/25/09: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Mike Welch) 2. 04:53 AM - Re: Wingtips (william sullivan) 3. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (John Hauck) 4. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Richard Girard) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Eugene Zimmerman) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter Failure (russ kinne) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter Failure (Robert Laird) 8. 07:52 AM - 1 dead in ultralight midair (grantr) 9. 07:56 AM - Re: Lindbergh and his flight (grantr) 10. 09:04 AM - Re: Firestar questions (dalewhelan) 11. 09:50 AM - Re: Wingtips (JetPilot) 12. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter Failure (pj.ladd) 13. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Jim Hauck) 14. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (russ kinne) 15. 11:41 AM - Re: 1 dead in ultralight midair (Blumax008@aol.com) 16. 12:00 PM - Message to Matt (planecrazzzy) 17. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Mike Welch) 18. 12:47 PM - Re: Wingtips (Richard Pike) 19. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 20. 01:43 PM - Re: Message to Matt (Jim Kmet) 21. 01:52 PM - fire star 2 for sale (dfcpac) 22. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Jim Kmet) 23. 02:12 PM - firestar 2 for sale (DFCPAC@aol.com) 24. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Wingtips (russ kinne) 25. 02:16 PM - Re: Firestar questions (b young) 26. 02:21 PM - Re: Message to Matt (JetPilot) 27. 02:37 PM - Re: Message to Matt (planecrazzzy) 28. 02:42 PM - Re: Wingtips (JetPilot) 29. 02:55 PM - Re: Message to Matt (JetPilot) 30. 03:01 PM - Re: Message to Matt (planecrazzzy) 31. 03:05 PM - Name identification (Mike Welch) 32. 03:09 PM - Re: Lindbergh and his flight (henry.voris) 33. 03:18 PM - Re: Wingtips (JetPilot) 34. 03:55 PM - Re: fire star 2 for sale (George Thompson) 35. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: Lindbergh and his flight (Richard Girard) 36. 04:15 PM - Re: Wingtips (Richard Pike) 37. 04:22 PM - Today was the day (Richard Girard) 38. 04:28 PM - Re: Wingtips (planecrazzzy) 39. 05:54 PM - Re: Firestar questions (Dana Hague) 40. 06:21 PM - Sunday breakfast (zeprep251@aol.com) 41. 06:40 PM - Re: Firestar questions (planecrazzzy) 42. 07:10 PM - Today was the day, part 2 (Richard Girard) 43. 07:12 PM - Re: Message to Matt (Charlie England) 44. 07:23 PM - Re: Today was the day (Beauford T) 45. 08:48 PM - Re: Wingtips (R. Hankins) 46. 08:50 PM - Re: Wingtips (JetPilot) 47. 09:13 PM - Re: Today was the day (Richard Girard) 48. 09:22 PM - Re: for sale () 49. 11:41 PM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Tony Oldman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:00 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips >> I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first=2C in a msg to the L ist > the other day. Didn't provoke any response=2C yea or nay. > john h > mkIII John H.=2C I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked you to explain that premise=2C since I hadn't heard of it before. I recei ved a response from you=2C to which I accepted. Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:28 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips - John- I read the article referenced by Richard Pike, and found that it answered a lot of the questions that have come up.- I live one mile from Bradley International, and right in line with the E/W runway.- I wondered about all the wingtip mods on the jets, and why it would pay to install th em.- The article answered all questions. Anyone participating in the disc ussion would be well advised to read the whole thing.- - do not archive ------------------------- ----------------Bill Sullivan ------------------------- --------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:58 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Mike W: My appologies for my very poor memory. Thanks for reminding me. I hope I have no offended you. Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you. My mistake was not intentional. john h mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee. John H., I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked you to explain that premise, since I hadn't heard of it before. I received a response from you, to which I accepted. Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. Mike Welch MkIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: Richard Girard John, Regardless of any purported aerodynamic short comings, IMHO the real genius of Homer's wingtip is that it is very easy to build and duplicate side to side and it provides a great anchoring point for the covering. Simple, cheap and light. Rick Girard do not archive On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:47 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > > Mike W: > > My appologies for my very poor memory. > > Thanks for reminding me. > > I hope I have no offended you. > > Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you. > > My mistake was not intentional. > > john h > mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee. > > > John H., > > I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked > you to explain that premise, since I hadn't heard of it before. I received > a response from you, to which I accepted. > > Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. > > Mike Welch > MkIII > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:08 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Rick, Very true and well said. Gene Z On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > John, Regardless of any purported aerodynamic short comings, IMHO > the real genius of Homer's wingtip is that it is very easy to build > and duplicate side to side and it provides a great anchoring point > for the covering. Simple, cheap and light. > > Rick Girard > do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:07 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter Failure Pat Driving at "a speed equal to the driver's age" -- but isn't that in clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH. But take heart -- getting old is better than not getting old -- And don't you measure your airspeed in MPH too? Knots of course for the Big Boys. They don't use clicks do they? Russ On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:50 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while > ignoring real dangers to the public. > > Hi Mike, > > absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more > powerful cars. To let someone who has just passed there driving > exam (which should be much more difficult) walk out and get in a > Porsche is nuts. > > Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple. > > To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on > the road doesn`t bear thinking about. > > We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last > week to celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car > from Heathrow. > He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down > the motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age. > > Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been > on standby at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late > arriving around 9 at night. > He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would > open his eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the > wrong way on the motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark > at 80mph or over. This was when you had 50mph im;posed. He just > screwed his eyes tight shut and curled into a foetal ball. > > Cheers > > Pat. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter Failure From: Robert Laird On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:39 AM, russ kinne wrote: > > Pat > Driving at "a speed equal to the driver's age" -- but isn't that in > clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH. > But take heart -- getting old is better than not getting old -- > And don't you measure your airspeed in MPH too? Knots of course for the > Big Boys. They don't use clicks do they? > Even 50 klicks on a tiny, narrow English country road can be hair-raising! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 1 dead in ultralight midair From: "grantr" I just saw this on the quicksilver list. 2 ultralights had a midair in Arcanum Ohio. Before making a turn lift your wing up so you can see if it is clear before making the turn. Keep your eyes open and scan for traffic. This is a sad thing. > Hi Guys, > > I lost a good friend this evening in a mid-air collision. He was on final > approach in his powered parachute and was approx. 50' agl over the runway when > his best friend in his Phantom flew right into him broadside, after the impact > the Phantom cartwheeled into the corn field, the pilot of the Pahantom is also a > good friend, he was standing in a daze when I finally got to his plane, and all > he could say was "I didn't see him", he was taken by Careflight and is in > serious condition. The worst part is I witnessed the whole thing! I think I am > still in shock. I just cant get the image of the Phantom certwheeling into the > corn. I think I am gonna leave the Sport in the hangar for a few days, but I am > definatly still gonna fly! Both men knew the Lord Jesus Christ as their savior, > so that fact alone gives me alot of comfort, but my heart aches for the > families. If you dont mind, say a prayer for the families and also that my > other friend comes through this ok. I will keep you informed. > > Thanks, > Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259483#259483 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lindbergh and his flight From: "grantr" His 1st solo was at Americus ACJ :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259487#259487 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:18 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar questions From: "dalewhelan" I call Travis at Kolb when I have these kind of questions -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259495#259495 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "JetPilot" Gene Z, It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do badmouth a subject when you have no facts. This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like this. Richard P. Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers. Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259509#259509 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:09 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter Failure but isn't that in clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH.>> Ha ha. That would be nice. Pat ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:14 AM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:11 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Jetpilot, Im sorry so to see you're reverting back to your habits of a few years ago. Then you couldn't write anything without calling somebody stupid, just plain dumb, etc etc. Now you're back at it! -- here you say, in one short post: you're obviously afraid of offending someone your posts just stink a brown noser just plain stupid your desperation to badmouth you have no facts know nothings loud mouth know nothings Now, we all know you're an expert; you've let us know that repeatedly. But the List isn't about I'm-better-than-you-are; it should be a POLITE and beneficial exchange of information. Please lay off the insults and stick to helpful subjects. We'd all appreciate that. Russ do not archive On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:50 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > Gene Z, > > It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good > information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed > in " getting in good with the guys... " You have also not > answered a single question I asked about your tips, you are > obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual > information to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to > change your wingtip design, you sure are anxious to downplay it > now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one of these guys. > Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and the rest, > trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer > Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to > your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the > discussion, then do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and > shows your desperation do badmouth a subject when you have no facts. > > This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many > flight test and reports by many good people here that have been > ridiculed and ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many > private responses by people that have tried VG's and had very > positive results, but did not want to post to the list because of > the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to > bad that this group is bullied people like this. > > Richard P. > > Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you > quoted had some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions > were garbage. You, and a couple others here are so desperate to > believe that your wingtips wont make any difference that you are > willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results by General > aviation manufacturers. > > Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip > for the MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK > III 's with the new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will > start to come out, some of you are going to look pretty bad when > that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying that wingtips > can not be improved. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259509#259509 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:44 AM PST US From: Blumax008@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1 dead in ultralight midair In a message dated 8/25/2009 10:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grant_richardson25@yahoo.com writes: I just saw this on the quicksilver list. 2 ultralights had a midair in Arcanum Ohio. By Golly! If they both had had that $80 Amalgamated fuel filter the Kolb list was talking about recently...it would've saved both of 'em! And where were the $2,000 BRS's we all just got to have. Maybe their $1,200 repacks were not current? Rest in peace & no disrespect to your friend. It's just a little argument (one of many) that we have from time to time on the Kolb list. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! =JulystepsfooterNO115) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Message to Matt From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, Here's a copy of the letter I wrote Matt... Have you guys already tried to get SOMETHING done about the ongoing constant plague that just never ends...? I hear the complaints all the time.... but all anybody can do is hit the Delete key.... There's got to be a better way... .. > > Hey Matt, > > Just thought I'd "Check in" with you.... > > > > One of the main reasons I left the Kolb Matronics site... and started my own little > > Firestar group , was because of some of the Bickering.... > > > > I check in from time to time... Same crap... same guy... > > > > Suggestion.... you need some kind of "TIME-OUT" .... > > > > Maybe for two weeks.... maybe more.... > > > > Maybe a voted "board" of three or four.... that have to all agree to "time out" someone. > > > > Because the way it is now..... Sucks. > > > > Gotta Fly... > > Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog > > > > -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259532#259532 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hpim0950_195.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/hpim0948_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:18 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Mr. John H=2C No problem at all. Can't fault ya for the memory thing. I'm afraid my l ist of 'attributes that aren't as sharp as they used to be' is getting long er all the time. Funny thing. The older I get=2C the better I was!! : ) Have a pleasant day. Mike Welch From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Mike W: My appologies for my very poor memory. Thanks for reminding me. I hope I have no offended you. Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you. My mistake was not intentional. john h mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee. John H.=2C I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked you to explain that premise=2C since I hadn't heard of it before. I recei ved a response from you=2C to which I accepted. Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "Richard Pike" When I read stuff like this , it makes me wonder... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with quote Gene Z, It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do badmouth a subject when you have no facts. This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like this. Richard P. Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers. Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved. Mike +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So after much due reflection, I have decided to respond appropriately: (and since I don't spend much time here any more anyway, due to postings such as the above... and therefore can accept being thrown off) (Sorry Matt, I'll accept whatever you think I deserve) I think we all need to take a deep breath and meditate on some appropriate demotivational posters until our heads clear and our blood pressure returns to normal. See? Suddenly everything is back in perspective. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259538#259538 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lackoffaith_412.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/nofear_194.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:34 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami Yes! I enjoyed the video also. A few years ago some one else did a similar video around Chicago it had notations or something that identified stuff as he flew around. Would it be possible for you to do that also? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watkinsdw" Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami > > Thanks, Guys, > Glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry about the quality... > The dots on the windscreen are horizon markers for us as we get the "sight > picture" ingrained in our heads for landing. We're still newbies, having > bought our MkIII-C from Steven Green in May. > > As far as the airspace goes, you're right- Class Bravo overlays much of > the area we flew, but at 500 ft agl, we were out of the way. We also had a > discrete txpnder code and flight following going for us. ATC was very > accommodating from Ft Lauderdale through Miami and Homestead Air Reserve > Base (HST), both ways! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259291#259291 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:16 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Message to Matt I know for a fact that this isn`t the 1st, or Second time , or Third time, Matt has heard from members of this group about this situation. Maybe if he "Didn`t" hear from us during the November fund raising , it might change. Jim Kmet MK-3C Cookeville, TN (Never Piloted a Jet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Message to Matt > > Hey Guys, > Here's a copy of the letter I wrote Matt... > > Have you guys already tried to get SOMETHING done about the > > ongoing constant plague that just never ends...? I hear the complaints > > all the time.... but all anybody can do is hit the Delete key.... > > There's got to be a better way... > . > >> >> Hey Matt, >> >> Just thought I'd "Check in" with you.... >> >> >> >> One of the main reasons I left the Kolb Matronics site... and started my >> own little >> >> Firestar group , was because of some of the Bickering.... >> >> >> >> I check in from time to time... Same crap... same guy... >> >> >> >> Suggestion.... you need some kind of "TIME-OUT" .... >> >> >> >> Maybe for two weeks.... maybe more.... >> >> >> >> Maybe a voted "board" of three or four.... that have to all agree to >> "time out" someone. >> >> >> >> Because the way it is now..... Sucks. >> >> >> >> Gotta Fly... >> >> Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog >> >> >> >> > > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259532#259532 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/hpim0950_195.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/hpim0948_154.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: fire star 2 for sale From: "dfcpac" i recently purchased a real nice firestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying plane excellent build but decided it's not for me. it's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n numbered esla certified, excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine information system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydraulicbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom radio. cage and tube powder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too very nice plane i'm selling it for 12,700.00 i'm located on long island in ny email dfcpac@aol.com phone 631 880 2343 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259548#259548 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:07 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Mike, 1st you say: "The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why is way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over the Internet if you research it." Then you say, "Richard P. Do you believe everything you read on the net ?" All about wingtip design. Then I asked: Mr. Jetpilot, Where are these "Facts" that support your statement that the Plans built Kolb wingtips are inferior?? No response yet. But you know what? I am not interested in anything else you have to say, so from now on, when I post a comment, or a question from the group, please, disreguard. Thank you in advance, Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK-3C (Never Piloted a Jet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > > When I read stuff like this , it makes me wonder... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with > quote > Gene Z, > > It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good > information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " > getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single > question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of > offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For > someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are > anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one > of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and > the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer > Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your > advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do > it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do > badmouth a subject when you have no facts. > > This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight > test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and > ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by > people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not > want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud > mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like > this. > > Richard P. > > Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had > some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. > You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your > wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years > of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers. > > Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the > MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the > new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some > of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short > sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved. > > Mike > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > So after much due reflection, I have decided to respond appropriately: > (and since I don't spend much time here any more anyway, due to postings > such as the above... and therefore can accept being thrown off) (Sorry > Matt, I'll accept whatever you think I deserve) > > I think we all need to take a deep breath and meditate on some appropriate > demotivational posters until our heads clear and our blood pressure > returns to normal. > > See? Suddenly everything is back in perspective. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259538#259538 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/lackoffaith_412.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/nofear_194.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:56 PM PST US From: DFCPAC@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: firestar 2 for sale i recently purchased a real nice firestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying plane excellent build but decided it's not for me. it's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n numbered esla certified, excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine information system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydraulicbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom radio. cage and tube powder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too very nice plane i'm selling it for 12,700.00 i'm located on long island in ny email _dfcpac@aol.com_ (mailto:dfcpac@aol.com) phone 631 880 2343 thank you daniel carley ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:17 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Mike W Well said! -- we're all approaching our "best if used by --" date Fair winds, Russ Do not archive On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > Mr. John H, > > No problem at all. Can't fault ya for the memory thing. I'm > afraid my list of 'attributes that aren't as sharp as they used to > be' is getting longer all the time. > Funny thing. The older I get, the better I was!! : ) > > Have a pleasant day. > > Mike Welch > > > From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:47:40 -0500 > > > Mike W: > > My appologies for my very poor memory. > > Thanks for reminding me. > > I hope I have no offended you. > > Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you. > > My mistake was not intentional. > > john h > mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee. > > > John H., > > I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I > politely asked you to explain that premise, since I hadn't heard of > it before. I received a response from you, to which I accepted. > > Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. > > Mike Welch > MkIII > > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up > to on Facebook. Find out more. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:48 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar questions With the oversized holes in the wing attach points and the aileron horns, is it OK to weld the holes over and redrill them? Or better to weld a washer over the hole? Are these heat treated, or is it OK to just weld and then stress relieve? My friend's a pretty good welder, but only with MIG, not a torch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld in a bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear. Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Message to Matt From: "JetPilot" This kind of complaint coming from the PlaneCrazzzy who went back and changed many posts, and then LIED to everyone here about what he had posted. For a flakey loser that has to lie and then change posts to cover his tracks like is as about as hypocritical as you can get. As many have noticed, the same group of bullies has been trying to drive me off the list for years. Matt and see this and is aware of it , and others see it also... One even commented about it in the fuel filter thread. Most are afraid to post because of these people. JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com wrote: > > > nice post. Being a newbie myself, lurking for years, I have not had the experience of being ridiculed, but instead ignored... > > This small group of bad apples is driving more new people on the list than anyone knows. Its always the same few guys have been carrying the same old tired grudge for years. I don't hide from bullies and their tactics, I stand up to them. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259555#259555 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Message to Matt From: "planecrazzzy" No , I didn't lie about anything... And you can KMA What a Maroon... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259556#259556 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "JetPilot" Richard Pike, For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past. Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you have posted be far the most objection thing ever see on this list. Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge better than just about anyone here. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259557#259557 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Message to Matt From: "JetPilot" planecrazzzy wrote: > No , I didn't lie about anything... > > And you can KMA > . Here is the post where you lied to everyone about what you had said.. (near bottom ). http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=46496 And here is one of the posts in the forum you changed 7 months after you wrote it, as you did several others to back up you lie. ( Near bottom of page, Dates of edit are shown )... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=36500 One of the list readers went back to the archives where PlaneCrazzzy could not change his post, and caught him in his lie to everyone. Now you are doing it again, complaining about my behavior while lying about your own actions. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259560#259560 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Message to Matt From: "planecrazzzy" Just a quick note... I had written about a crash I heard of involving a servo motor for trim... I heard it went into some kind of flutter or what ever... and the guy crashed... Well... our Buddy "Jet Pilot" knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING Said it could NEVER happen and called me a liar.... Well....I did lie about anything.... I already couldn't stand him... That just tipped the scale.... as I say... he's a Plague... And as I just "pop in" from time to time.... I see he just keeps on spreading..... YES... he "IS" the reason I just wrote to Matt... I just can't understand why something can't be done to clean up the Forum... if only for a couple weeks at a time... Gotta Fly... .. .. .. JP - KMA ! -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259561#259561 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:49 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Name identification Mike Bigelow=2C Would you be kind enough to identify yourself more clearly=2C please? Th ere are several "Mikes" (Mike & Jaz=2C Michael Sharp=2C Mike Welch=2C Mike Adams {?} and a couple of others). To avoid confusion=2C I'm sure the rest of us Mikes would appreciate it i f you would identify yourself more specifically=2C namely Mike B.....or Mik e Bigelow.....or just Jetpilot. There are several Richards (all nice guys=2C I might add)=2C several John s=2C likely=2C etc.=2C etc. A last name would be more helpful. Thanks a t on. Mike Welch MkIII dust collector _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lindbergh and his flight From: "henry.voris" In the early 70' I was running a survey crew on the remote east end of Maui (Hana). Lindbergh and his old pal Sam Pryor (PAA) had bought the old church at Palapala Ho'omau in Kipahulu, where they each lived. They hired us to survey the place and put in fresh boundary pins. In standard Hana style we got 90% done (everything short of setting the pins), before we got sidetracked by other jobs. After a month or so Sam called and told us to hurry and finish the job. Sam was never in a hurry for anything, so we figured the news wasn't good... We went out and set the pins. Later that week Lindbergh's obituary appeared. The church at Palapala Ho'omau is a peaceful and beautiful spot high on an ocean cut cliff. If you go there don't weep over the six child sized graves... They were Sam's gibbons. I never met Lindbergh but I was (like everyone else in Hana) on a first name basis with Sam. -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259563#259563 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "JetPilot" Gene Z, You posted this yesterday about your Hoernier wingtips: etzimm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder only in my plane. > I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. > > > None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability. > > > Gene Z > Then today when it is apparent that Gene Z's report will not be " Popular " with the little gang, he flip flops faster than a politician: etzimm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > Do I encourage new builders to modify kolb's wing tip to the hoerner > style? Nope, I DO NOT. > > Homer wanted to be as frugal with our money, as he was with his own, > and he succeeded in giving us a GREAT bank for the buck. > > Thank you Homer ,,,,,,,, may you rest in peace. > Gene Z > > Etc. Etc.... > > Quite a flip flop from last nights post. You are so desperate to get in with this little clique of guys, I hope its worth it for you selling out like you did. Then again, that kind of behavior, doing anything to get in good with a little group, is usually developed in childhood. Its probably such second nature to put group politics over truth and fact, that Gene does not even think about it. I have seen many people like this, and no one respects them. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259567#259567 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:47 PM PST US From: George Thompson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fire star 2 for sale =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: dfcpac =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:51:23 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: fire star 2 for sale=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message p osted by: "dfcpac" =0A=0Ai recently purchased a real nice f irestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying plane excellent build bu t decided it's not for me.=0A=0Ait's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n n umbered esla certified, excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine infor mation system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydrau licbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom radio. cage and tube po wder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too=0A=0Avery nice plane i' m selling it for 12,700.00=0A=0Ai'm located on long island in ny=0A=0Aemail - dfcpac@aol.com=0Aphone 631 880 2343=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onlin e here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259548#259548=0A =========================0A ===================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lindbergh and his flight From: Richard Girard Grant, It must be something in the air. I pulled out the "Spirit of St. Louis" and watched it at least three times in the last week.One of my grandfather's favorite stories was the time he got to shake hands with Lindbergh when he made that flight around the country after the NYP flight. Rick Girard do not archive PS the actor who plays the Jenny dealer in the film is the same guy that does the "make me a sergeant in charge of the booze" scene in the sci fi classic, "Them". On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM, grantr wrote: > > His 1st solo was at Americus ACJ :D > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259487#259487 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "Richard Pike" I knew this was coming. ************************************************************ JetPilot Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1137 Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with quote Richard Pike, For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past. Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you have posted by far the most objectionable thing ever see on this list. Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge better than just about anyone here. And shame on those that would support this type of thing.. Mike *********************************************************** According to you, Christians are supposed to always keep their mouths shut and to disagree with you is rank heresy. I'll leave it to my congregation and those who know me best to decide if I am a hypocrite or not, feel free to go by the church website and see what I've been doing for the last 12 years and make your decision. In the meantime try this on for size. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259576#259576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/walksonwater_119.jpg ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Today was the day From: Richard Girard 455 Zulu Delta has been down for awhile as I got carried away with improvements. Over the course of last fall, winter, spring, and most of this summer she got a new engine mount per the 618 mounting in the drawings, new cooling system, new fuel and electrical systems and over the last few days a new throttle quadrant, too. Last night I hooked up the manometer to balance the newly rebuilt carbs and this morning was all about the little details and putting the wings back on.Thanks to all who have made suggestions over the last couple of years. Especially those who pointed out that my pitot static system was probably giving wildly over optimistic readings. Yeah, that's new too. Although I am rusty and all the controls are backward to my trike, I managed to do three full stop landings and one touch and go. Even took a little cruise around the Grand Duchy of Udall when I decided the 582 was probably going to keep running. Thanks to Bob Nuckolls and the Aeroelectric Connection. The Z-17 architecture is perfect. Thanks to my wife, Lou, who wasn't feeling all that well but still helped me put the wings back on and took pictures. Rick Girard oh yeah, archive this PS Oh yeah I went through the "C" gearbox and got rid of that *&%$*(*$*) Rice King clutch. Now I have a glide, too. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "planecrazzzy" I vote Old Poop for the "Board" that monitors the list.... and without saying... Big John.... It would need a couple more.... then it would be ready to distribute "Time-outs" Purty bad when you make a preacher leave.... Love those pictures preacher ! .. .. Gotta Fly... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259580#259580 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:30 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar questions At 04:43 PM 8/25/2009, b young wrote: >Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld in a >bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear. Problem is, one of them is already drilled out larger (3/8 vs 5/16) and not on center, so it's already too close to the edge of the fitting. My thought is to weld the holes up, then weld plates on over the originals, and redrill (to the original size) in the proper place. -Dana -- It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sunday breakfast From: zeprep251@aol.com Got caught by a camera on they way to breakfast Sunday.Not that nice a day for flying but at least it's Kolb related.Taken from a friend's Chinook over NE Ohio. ??????????????? G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 465hrs -----Original Message----- From: Don James Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:05 pm Subject: Pictures of your plane are attached: ? ? ? ? Donald James JBM Industries Kent, Ohio? 44240?? USA ? 330-678-9537 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar questions From: "planecrazzzy" If you weld the Chromemoly with MIG... It's always best to preheat it a little.... ( sweat it ) Also heat it after to anneal it.... ( let cool slowly ) Also be careful welding... Sometimes like on a Trailer tongue, truck frames , there are areas/directions that could actually "cause" a crack.... .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259609#259609 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Today was the day, part 2 From: Richard Girard It was just too nice after dinner not to take Zulu Delta up for another flight. The new radiator (off a Honda 750 Sabre, $20 on eBay) works perfectly. I climbed straight to 3500' to get some stall practice in and try to learn how to coordinate a turn again. Coolant temperature stayed at the top of the green the whole time, The Rotax radiators always made step climbs a necessity. I think the new pitot static system is giving much better numbers than it did. I'm seeing power off stall at 36. 5800 RPM gets me 70 MPH, Throttle back to 5200 and I get just a hair over 60. Did a power off glide that was NOT straight out of the Space Shuttle POH like it was with the Rice King in the gear box. Approach at 45 to 50 at 3500 RPM and chop power at the threshold. Settled right on to all three, but I was so busy I forgot to look at the ASI. Tomorrow it the thunderstorms hold off. The only thing that doesn't work is the fuel gage, it just reads full and empty depending on whether it has power to it or not. Oh well, it came with the plane. I love my trike, but there's just something about a Kolb. Rick Girard do not archive ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:15 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Message to Matt Hi Mike, I can (& do) relate to your frustration with certain elements of the internet community. The problem with any kind of punishment like you describe is that it forces some person to be the ultimate arbitrator, which ultimately means censorship based on one person's opinion. I'd suggest what I consider to be a much better solution. If you get the list through email, you can set up your email client (software) to automatically move any messages from a particular individual directly to your 'junk' or 'spam' folder. If you're talking about the person I suspect you are, I can tell you that I never see anything from him unless someone else responds to his email and quotes him in their reply. His posts may be in the archives, but if no one responds to any of them then anyone who searches for info in the future will, or at least should, be very suspicious of posts with no confirmation from others on the list. Once you learn how to set it up (very simple in most software), the guy will almost cease to exist in your universe, with no need to get into forcing your (and my) opinion on others. If you need some help, drop me a line off-list & I'll try to help you set it up. Charlie planecrazzzy wrote: > > Hey Guys, > Here's a copy of the letter I wrote Matt... > > Have you guys already tried to get SOMETHING done about the > > ongoing constant plague that just never ends...? I hear the complaints > > all the time.... but all anybody can do is hit the Delete key.... > > There's got to be a better way... > . > > >> Hey Matt, >> >> Just thought I'd "Check in" with you.... >> >> >> >> One of the main reasons I left the Kolb Matronics site... and started my own little >> >> Firestar group , was because of some of the Bickering.... >> >> >> >> I check in from time to time... Same crap... same guy... >> >> >> >> Suggestion.... you need some kind of "TIME-OUT" .... >> >> >> >> Maybe for two weeks.... maybe more.... >> >> >> >> Maybe a voted "board" of three or four.... that have to all agree to "time out" someone. >> >> >> >> Because the way it is now..... Sucks. >> >> >> >> Gotta Fly... >> >> Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:11 PM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Today was the day Brother Girard... Congrats on getting her going again.... (and keeping her going long enough to commit some aviation...) Looks like the hard work was worth it. That snappy looking flag paint scheme is a real eye catcher on your fly-by... I had not seen it before... Got any more pix you could post that might better show off the detail of that paintwork? beauford FF-076, N173BW Brandon, FL Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Today was the day 455 Zulu Delta has been down for awhile as I got carried away with improvements. Over the course of last fall, winter, spring, and most of this summer she got a new engine mount per the 618 mounting in the drawings, new cooling system, new fuel and electrical systems and over the last few days a new throttle quadrant, too. Last night I hooked up the manometer to balance the newly rebuilt carbs and this morning was all about the little details and putting the wings back on. Thanks to all who have made suggestions over the last couple of years. Especially those who pointed out that my pitot static system was probably giving wildly over optimistic readings. Yeah, that's new too. Although I am rusty and all the controls are backward to my trike, I managed to do three full stop landings and one touch and go. Even took a little cruise around the Grand Duchy of Udall when I decided the 582 was probably going to keep running. Thanks to Bob Nuckolls and the Aeroelectric Connection. The Z-17 architecture is perfect. Thanks to my wife, Lou, who wasn't feeling all that well but still helped me put the wings back on and took pictures. Rick Girard oh yeah, archive this PS Oh yeah I went through the "C" gearbox and got rid of that *&%$*(*$*) Rice King clutch. Now I have a glide, too. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "R. Hankins" Jet pilot, Would you mind posting your resume? You speak with a lot of authority and confidence on aerodynamic issues. I have always assumed from your handle that you fly jets. Other than that, do you have specific education in aerodynamics and engineering? Maybe a B.S. degree in aerodynamic theory? A masters in low speed airfoils and wing design? Years of computational fluid dynamics and flow modeling experience? Lots of sizzle...any steak? This isn't a personal attack, I would really like to know. Thanks, -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259633#259633 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "JetPilot" jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote: > Mike, > 1st you say: > "The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why > is > way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over > the > Internet if you research it." > > Then you say, > "Richard P. > > Do you believe everything you read on the net ?" > > Jim Kmet > Jim Kmet, There is a big difference between doing research on the net about aerodynamic theory, and picking ONE page on the Internet that goes against more than 50 years of aircraft design by GA and LSA manufacturers. Obviously this concept is above you intellect, you are just not the brightest bulb in the bunch if this got past you. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259634#259634 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Today was the day From: Richard Girard Beauford, This is the best I've got right now and unfortunately it shows the dirt where I ran out of Oxy cleaner, too. :-) Off to the Dollar General for more tomorrow and she gets a good cleaning before she flies again. Rick On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Beauford T wrote: > Brother Girard... > Congrats on getting her going again.... (and keeping her going long enough > to commit some aviation...) > Looks like the hard work was worth it. > > That snappy looking flag paint scheme is a real eye catcher on your > fly-by... I had not seen it before... Got any more pix you could post that > might better show off the detail of that paintwork? > > beauford > FF-076, N173BW > Brandon, FL > Do Not Archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:34 PM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Today was the day > > 455 Zulu Delta has been down for awhile as I got carried away with > improvements. Over the course of last fall, winter, spring, and most of this > summer she got a new engine mount per the 618 mounting in the drawings, new > cooling system, new fuel and electrical systems and over the last few days a > new throttle quadrant, too. Last night I hooked up the manometer to balance > the newly rebuilt carbs and this morning was all about the little details > and putting the wings back on. Thanks to all who have made suggestions > over the last couple of years. Especially those who pointed out that my > pitot static system was probably giving wildly over optimistic readings. > Yeah, that's new too. > Although I am rusty and all the controls are backward to my trike, I > managed to do three full stop landings and one touch and go. Even took a > little cruise around the Grand Duchy of Udall when I decided the 582 was > probably going to keep running. > Thanks to Bob Nuckolls and the Aeroelectric Connection. The Z-17 > architecture is perfect. > Thanks to my wife, Lou, who wasn't feeling all that well but still helped > me put the wings back on and took pictures. > > Rick Girard > oh yeah, archive this > > PS Oh yeah I went through the "C" gearbox and got rid of that *&%$*(*$*) > Rice King clutch. Now I have a glide, too. > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:33 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: for sale What price would be fair for my Mark III Classic? It flies great and matches performance of a Rotax 582 with it's Geo Metro G10 engine and electric Ivo 3 blade prop. Ask off line for pictures at apilot@surewest.net Vic Gibson ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:27 PM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Love it. May I use it. Know a few people that would get a smile out of that. Tony Downunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > > I knew this was coming. > ************************************************************ > > JetPilot > Joined: 10 Jan 2006 > Posts: 1137 > Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with > quote > Richard Pike, > > For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to > cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every > opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past. > Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the > past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed > to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you > have posted by far the most objectionable thing ever see on this list. > > Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who > claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people > they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very > well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge > better than just about anyone here. > > And shame on those that would support this type of thing.. > > Mike > *********************************************************** > > > According to you, Christians are supposed to always keep their mouths shut > and to disagree with you is rank heresy. I'll leave it to my congregation > and those who know me best to decide if I am a hypocrite or not, feel free > to go by the church website and see what I've been doing for the last 12 > years and make your decision. > > In the meantime try this on for size. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259576#259576 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/walksonwater_119.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.