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1. 12:18 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Tony Oldman)
2. 02:22 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (pj.ladd)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Wing U-joint (Jimmy Young)
4. 04:38 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Herb)
5. 04:50 AM - Re: Wing U-joint (Dana Hague)
6. 04:52 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Dana Hague)
7. 04:52 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Dana Hague)
8. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Wing U-joint (Richard Girard)
9. 06:10 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (John Hauck)
10. 06:10 AM - Re: Wing U-joint (Richard Girard)
11. 06:11 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Richard Girard)
12. 06:29 AM - Pain ol South Louisian flying pics (John Bickham)
13. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Wing U-joint (zeprep251@aol.com)
14. 06:42 AM - Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics (zeprep251@aol.com)
15. 06:42 AM - Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics (John Hauck)
16. 07:07 AM - Re: Wingtips (Thom Riddle)
17. 07:07 AM - Re: Plain ol South Louisian flying pics (John Bickham)
18. 08:14 AM - New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
19. 08:33 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
20. 08:47 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (John Hauck)
21. 08:47 AM - Appreciation for the positive information posted... (Bob Green)
22. 09:39 AM - More numbers, testing continues (Richard Girard)
23. 09:42 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
24. 10:27 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (John Bickham)
25. 10:42 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
26. 10:49 AM - Re: Wing U-joint (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
27. 11:13 AM - Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: New Kolb Group , free site (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
29. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: New Kolb Group , free site (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
30. 12:08 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (chris davis)
31. 12:33 PM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
32. 12:36 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (Thumb)
33. 12:38 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (planecrazzzy)
34. 12:39 PM - Re: The crazy guy is retiring from The List... (planecrazzzy)
35. 01:59 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (russ kinne)
36. 03:11 PM - Re: Wing U-joint (JetPilot)
37. 03:15 PM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (Dana Hague)
38. 03:30 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (JetPilot)
39. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (Jim Kmet)
40. 04:25 PM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (possums)
41. 05:17 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (Blumax008@aol.com)
42. 05:17 PM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Dave Kulp)
43. 05:42 PM - new video ! (ces308)
44. 05:48 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (ces308)
45. 06:17 PM - Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... (robert bean)
46. 06:19 PM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (Herb)
47. 06:19 PM - I am staying (Arksey@aol.com)
48. 06:45 PM - Re: new video ! (JetPilot)
49. 07:31 PM - Re: new video ! (ces308)
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
Had one of these on a Thruster ultralight. Gave no trouble at all was
easy to clean. The thruster had a fiberglass fuel tank
and while the filter did take out most glass fiber there were a couple
of times the engine did idle rough. The problem was glass fiber in the
carburetors. I would not hesitate to use the glass filters again.My Kolb
has a clear plastic filter that is easily checked and has given 400hrs
trouble free service. We do not use ethanol based fuels in New Zealand
{yet}. When we went to unleaded MO gas fuels we did have some problems
with the new fuel eating some rubber seals and gaskets. But again no
problem with the Rotax ,the same thing happened when we changed the make
up of our diesel fuels some vehicles developed leaky fuel pumps and
injector pumps .Hardly hear of the problem now so we either just get on
and repair things or the problem was short lived and has gone away .
ony
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Clearview fuel filters on eBay
40 micron element...good enough?? Herb
$8.99 with a google search...
At 09:33 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
These appear to be the real deal, although I haven't bought one to
make sure. $12.95 includes 3 extra filters and gaskets and free
shipping. Worth a look if you're in need of a fuel filter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FUEL-FILTER-RETRO-CHROME-GLASS-FREE-SHIPPI
NG_W0QQitemZ220445667683QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accesso
ries?hash=item335395f163&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245#ht_6692wt_868
Rick Girard
do not archive
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To all you guys who are much better informed in maths and aerodynamics than
I this may be of interest.
I have come across a fairly new search engine called Wolframalpha which
answers question directly rather than ,like Google, offering you a list of
other places to follow.
This engine seems to deal with advanced maths among other things and in the
`tour video` it brushed through Reynolds Numbers and illustrates airflow.
It seems to me that if some of you smart guys can formulate the question
properly we can get a `proper` answer to the effectiveness of reshaped wing
tips, winglets etc.,
Its a fun site too. I discovered that I share a birthday with Caligula. Hows
that for a conversation stopper?
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight enough.
I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in it, and all
is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly it. The only
thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself without tearing
anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels as cheap labor.
I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane 2 years ago, as I've
never messed with either U-joint before other than pulling wings.
It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due to some
earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and well-south of
Houston.
Thanks for all the tips and advice -
Jimmy Y
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Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
The 12.99 price appears to be fair...given that the web sites that I
found do not include the spare filters..Herb
At 10:33 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>Herb, I was looking at the construction. These don't appear to be
>the cheap chicom copies.
>
>Rick
>do not archive
>
>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Herb
><<mailto:herbgh@nctc.com>herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>40 micron element...good enough?? Herb
>
>$8.99 with a google search...
>
>
>At 09:33 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
At 11:32 PM 8/27/2009, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>jdy100@comcast.net writes:
>
>I have used both of these ideas to remove play from the control
>fittings. Sometimes I could not get the desired tightness even when
>changing washers. That's when I used the grinding of the nut method...
I'd be more inclined to grind the washer rather than the nut, which could
leave a sharp edge to rub on the bolt. Or make a new washer out of shim stock.
-Dana
--
We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote:
>I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I
>have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to
>as much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are
>different brands and quality.
>
>The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally
>caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them...
I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he
original more robust center screw.
I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture
later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's
supported on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the
frame. No trouble so far (~50 hours).
-Dana
--
We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote:
>I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I
>have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to
>as much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are
>different brands and quality.
>
>The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally
>caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them...
I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he
original more robust center screw.
I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture
later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's
supported on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the
frame. No trouble so far (~50 hours).
-Dana
--
We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Jimmy, Don't you just love it when a fix is simple and straight forward.
Glad it worked out so well.
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight
> enough. I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in
> it, and all is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly
> it. The only thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself
> without tearing anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels
> as cheap labor. I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane
> 2 years ago, as I've never messed with either U-joint before other than
> pulling wings.
>
> It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due
> to some earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and
> well-south of Houston.
>
>
> Thanks for all the tips and advice -
>
> Jimmy Y
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260164#260164
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0484_136.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
jerb/Gang:
I think my filter is a Purolator. I could be wrong since I bought it in
1984. Used it on all three of my Kolbs.
Removed my glass tube, after it cracked the first night, and replaced
with a similar size piece of 6061 tubing. I think it is .058"X1".
Takes a minute to pull it apart to check the filter. John Williamson
had one he flew with the glass tube, but I feel better with the aluminum
tube. On the other hand, all my antique tractors have glass sediment
bowls. Only time they break is when I drop them on something hard. ;-)
My Kubota tractors use plastic sediment bowls.
I was in Walmart and O'reilly's Auto Parts yesterday. Walmart has the
filter under the Atwood brand name and O'reilly's has theirs under some
unknown name. Walmart's was less than $9.00 with a single element.
O'reilly's had replacement elements, 3 for nearly $5.00.
john h
mkIII
John H, do you have a brand name and source for the ones your using.
jerb
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
All, There's also the option of getting a couple of extra nuts and seeing
which one tightens up properly and lets the cotter pin holes align. There
will be variation in the nuts as to where the thread starts and you can use
that to your advantage.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> At 11:32 PM 8/27/2009, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jdy100@comcast.net writes:
> I have used both of these ideas to remove play from the control
> fittings. Sometimes I could not get the desired tightness even when
> changing washers. That's when I used the grinding of the nut method...
>
>
> I'd be more inclined to grind the washer rather than the nut, which could
> leave a sharp edge to rub on the bolt. Or make a new washer out of shim
> stock.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
> from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
What I saw in the picture was the knurled nut used to to tighten the filter
element against the shoulder on the center stud which appears to be round.
The cheap chicom units just tighten the ends on to the cast center piece
which twists the filter when tightening.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote:
>
>> I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I
>> have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to as
>> much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are
>> different brands and quality.
>>
>> The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally
>> caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them...
>>
>
> I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he
> original more robust center screw.
>
> I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture
> later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's supported
> on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the frame. No
> trouble so far (~50 hours).
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
> from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
>
>
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| Subject: | Pain ol South Louisian flying pics |
I do my best to try to fly more than:
1) Type on the computer.
2) Cut grass.
So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. We have been "blessed"
by some unusually cool August weather here this past week. High has only gotten
to 92!!!!
Cleared things up. So, here are a few Kolb flying pics. Nothing special, just
better than some recent posts. Sorry, that is an opinion, not a proven fact.
Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the ferry that
has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a picture of a new
span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a picture of Nauga
Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end (foreground).
Hope the climate improves on the list too. I monitor another flying list that
is going through similar issues. Have not met a Kolb driver that I didn't like,
face to face.
Have more fun!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Just what I like,lots of mowed hay fields available for any eventuality.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 6:54 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wing U-joint
After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight
enough. I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in it,
and all is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly it.
The only thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself without
tearing anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels as cheap
labor. I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane 2 years ago,
as I've never messed with either U-joint before other than pulling wings.
It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due to
some earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and well-south of
Houston.
Thanks for all the tips and advice -
Jimmy Y
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260164#260164
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| Subject: | Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics |
John,
? Nice pictures,one question.How long is Nauga field,tree line to tree line?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Bickham <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 9:29 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics
I do my best to try to fly more than:
1) Type on the computer.
2) Cut grass.
So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. We have been "blessed"
by some unusually cool August weather here this past week. High has only gotten
to 92!!!!
Cleared things up. So, here are a few Kolb flying pics. Nothing special, just
better than some recent posts. Sorry, that is an opinion, not a proven fact.
Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the ferry that
has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a picture of a new
span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a picture of Nauga
Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end (foreground).
Hope the climate improves on the list too. I monitor another flying list that
is going through similar issues. Have not met a Kolb driver that I didn't like,
face to face.
Have more fun!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| Subject: | Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics |
> Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the
ferry that has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a
picture of a new span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a
picture of Nauga Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end
(foreground).
>
> John Bickham
John B:
Understand there are still wires on the south end, but have Tana Balls
installed? How about the north end?
john h
mkIII
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Below is a link to a website that is primarily about drag reduction using wheel
pants but there is also a section some ways down the page that is a study of
different wing tip designs that some may find interesting.
http://corvairq.info/Wheel%20Pants.htm
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Plain ol South Louisian flying pics |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> John,
> How long is Nauga field,tree line to tree line?
>
> --
Thanks. Nauga Field is 1550 feet tree line to tree line.
John H is correct. Power lines both ends. Got them marked with Orange balls.
Ronnie M had the south end logged and we cut a gap out on the SE end. Left the
power line exposed. Put the orange balls on so no one would get "surprised".
Didn't need them before. Power lines were at or below the tree lines.
We are accepting donations to get the power line buried on the SE end. [Laughing]
Another pic. If you put on your best reading glasses and squint you can barely
make out the orange balls on the poser lines.
Just a reminder. Third annual Nauga Field Fly-Around is scheduled for December
4th, 5th, and 6th (first weekend in December). As you can see from the picture,
you have to be short field proficient. Not a problem for experienced Kolb
drivers. Two person operation not recommended.
Be safe!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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Hey Guys,
Just thought I'd see what kind of response this gets....
The Tailwind group used to be here on the Matronics , but they moved
on to a Free yahoo group site , and are going strong...
The sites have all the options , Pictures , archives,files,links etc.
I would like to turn the ownership over to someone like John or Richard.
If it doesn't work out... I'll just delete the site... no problem
But I think it's worth a try...
Here's the address.... I put John's Bird on the Homepage
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
Hope to see you there....at least try it...
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Ya know.... JP is even welcome.... But be careful.... You could be banned
for a while.... depends who's in charge...and their moderators....
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Here's the address of the Tailwind site... they now have over 1000 members....
and everyone is CIVIL....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/
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Great bunch of guys...
This group could have the same thing...
it would INSTANTLY stop the bickering...
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Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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> I would like to turn the ownership over to someone like John or Richard.
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Mike P/Gang:
I monitor two email lists, this one and a nonaviation list. About all I can
handle.
I am one among many on the Kolb List and intend to keep it that way.
My experience indicates lists do best when they are self-policing and honor
the List Commandments that Matt Dralle post each month and none of us bother
to read. If each of us would read and comprehend these commandments, we
would not have to wade through a lot of unnecessary BS to get to the meat of
the List, which should be building and flying Kolbs, period.....
Thanks, but I'll stick to this List which I have been a member of since I
got my computer in 1998.
john h
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| Subject: | Appreciation for the positive information posted... |
Thanks to all that post positive information on the list. I am building a
MKIII Extra and plan to use the Great Plains VW conversion engine. I have
been greatly helped by the information posted.
Bob
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| Subject: | More numbers, testing continues |
Great morning for flying here on the Great Plains. Took off at 9:00 into a
light north wind, knee board on and ready to start gathering data. Climbed
to 2000' AGL (3300 MSL). OAT 56 degrees F humidity 75%. Started speed runs
to test ASI readings.
RPM IAS
6000 80
5800 78
5600 74
5400 70
5200 67
5000 62
Power off stalls
Vs 1/2 flap 35
Vs full flap 32
Landed and talked to my neighbor about flying the Kolb and the readings I
logged. I was concerned my ASI is still optimistic. He offered the use of
his Garmin 196 and I accepted.
Back up to 2000' AGL. Forgot to record OAT, rats!
RPM IAS GPS Direction via IFR (I follow
roads)
6000 80 98 South
6000 80 54 North Average 76 mph
5400 70 92 South
5400 70 46 North Average 69 mph
Unfortunately I forgot to take my variometer out of the trike so I could get
accurate ROC numbers and the convective activity has picked up by now.
Something to forward to tomorrow.
Rick Girard
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Hi John,
I can understand what your saying....
I have talked with others , who have started various "specialized"
forums for their "Type" of Kolb Aircraft.... Basically for the same reason...
Because the list "does" need policing.... or at least the threat of it...
I was hoping to get "you" on board... I would have gladly made you the
"owner" of the site.... There are people joining the site....Once I see
someone to take it over... I'll put them as owner....
at least it'll be source of info without the bickering...
Richard ( Old Poop )... I'd like to see you there... I know you'd make a
great Owner/moderator.... and you have the kind of Knowledge this
position would need....
You could still pop in the matronics site if you need a taste of it...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
Mike, et al,
Respectfully submit:
While at times I share your frustrations with some post on the list, I'd hate to
see the Kolb group splintered.
I too have been a member of the Kolb list since 1998. Not a volume contributor.
Always thought I had a lot more to learn than to expound. The early days of
the list were much more cordial. I think that was because the topics were mostly
about putting planes together and flying. Not finite details like tweaking
the last incremental performance out of a 60 to 75 mph airplane. We get into
trouble when we dive off into discussions that require more theory and opinions
than facts and actual Kolb flying. The list and group of Kolb flyers has
grown.
As with any large group or gathering, hard to keep everyone happy and playing well
together. Suspect that will eventually become an issue with any new list
that is started.
Not everyone in this world agrees with me. As I get older, hardly anyone!
But I am grateful to this list and its contributors. With the help of this list,
I was able to put together a nice flying machine, on my own, with no other outside
assistance.
I'd venture to say, that any new list will eventually encounter the same difficulties
unless it is strictly censored. Not a proponent of that. Another yahoo
aviation group just went through the same turmoil (Bearhawk).
Challenge is to accept "darn diversity". Lot more good than bad!
So, I'll decline. Staying with this list. Appreciate your and others help along
the way. Sorry, but just a few post don't get read completely, when they take
a turn in the wrong direction. Try not to fuel the fire with a response.
Like being married, gotta take the good with the bad, sometimes quietly.
Made some solid friends along the way. Lost some good ones in that time. Seen
some exceptional places and flying of Kolb planes. Like the VG fly-off between
John H and Richard P at the TNK homecoming. Different positions, but gentlemen
at the same time. Tried to settle it with a demonstration and facts. I
thought it was a tie. Takes skill and confidence to fly that slow at 100 to 150
feet the length of the runway. I'm not that good.
Aviating has a way of humbling us all eventually, at least in my personal experience.
I'm patiently waiting.
Thanks to mostly all. Don't let the bad guys win! Fly more, type less!
Above all, stay safe!
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John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
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Oh yeah, I understand what your saying....
This is more of an opportunity for some.... instead of just leave the list,
with nowhere to go....it's an alternative solution....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
As I said... it worked out great for the Tailwind site.
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Already have 4 members after 1 hr...
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
In a message dated 8/28/2009 7:50:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
I'd be more inclined to grind the washer rather than the nut, which could
leave a sharp edge to rub on the bolt. Or make a new washer out of shim
stock. -Dana
Dana,
That's a good idea. to thin the washer rather than the nut.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Kolb Listers,
You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone so riled
up. Geezes, its just email. Just delete or ignore the posts of the person
that bothers you. Running off and starting a new list isn't the answer. Anybody
on the this List that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply
going to do it in another place. Not allowing them to subscribe and moderating
this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to the situation.
I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so displeased with
all of the childish behavior of late. Starting a new list is just more childish
behavior in my opinion.
Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email message posted and
decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and the decide to forward it
to the List or not based on my person decision? Really? How egotistical and
presumptuous of me that would be.
Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread? That wouldn't
have left very many people on the forum.
We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists. That serves nobody
well. Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all this he-said,
she-said BS to bed.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Mike/All
I will also be staying. I think it would be best that this group stays
together as the very best source of Kolb information and help.
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Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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Mike/All
I just did a search on "Insurance" to find the post on the inexpensive
liability insurance that was posted a few years back. Within two minutes I
was able to find the exact post I was looking for. Your free site will not
have the archive and will likely not be able to build or search one. There
is more to a list than just starting out free and having censors.
Sorry for the additional post
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Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Matt , WELL PUT AND I AGREE =0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pi
lot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@
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st: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0AKolb Listers,=0A=0AY
ou know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone s
o riled up.- Geezes, its just email.- Just delete or ignore the posts o
f the person that bothers you.- Running off and starting a new list isn't
the answer.- Anybody on the this List that posts inflammatory messages i
n one place is simply going to do it in another place.- Not allowing them
to subscribe and moderating this list or some other new list are just bogu
s, over reactions to the situation.- =0A=0AI haven't weighed in on this d
iscussion until now because I am so displeased with all of the childish beh
avior of late.- Starting a new list is just more childish behavior in my
opinion.- =0A=0AWould you guys be happier if I read over each and every e
mail message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and
the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person decision?
- Really?- How egotistical and presumptuous of me that would be.- =0A
=0AShould I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread?
- That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.- =0A=0AWe don'
t need to fracture the content across multiple Lists.- That serves nobody
well.- Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all this
he-said, she-said BS to bed.=0A=0AMatt Dralle=0AMatronics Email List Admini
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Nobody hardly ever uses the "edit" button here...
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As I said, the Kolb group "Does" have Archive...
And that's fine you want to stay.... This is for people who would
rather leave this site rather than put up with it....
The membership is still growing....
The Matronic site "WON'T disappear... it will still have plenty of info.
But the other site will have Builders / Flyers also...
and it won't have the Bickering...
Gotta Fly...
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Thank you Matt , you could have not said it better..I support you way
of thinking.. Bill Futrell
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...
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> Kolb Listers,
>
> You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone
> so riled up. Geezes, its just email. Just delete or ignore the posts of
> the person that bothers you. Running off and starting a new list isn't
> the answer. Anybody on the this List that posts inflammatory messages in
> one place is simply going to do it in another place. Not allowing them to
> subscribe and moderating this list or some other new list are just bogus,
> over reactions to the situation.
>
> I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so
> displeased with all of the childish behavior of late. Starting a new list
> is just more childish behavior in my opinion.
>
> Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email message
> posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and the decide
> to forward it to the List or not based on my person decision? Really?
> How egotistical and presumptuous of me that would be.
>
> Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread?
> That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.
>
> We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists. That serves
> nobody well. Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all
> this he-said, she-said BS to bed.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
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No , you don't have to read every message...
But when SEVERAL people have complained , SEVERAL times..
Yes , I would think you would try to do SOMETHING about it...
Hey... BAN me... please.... do something ! anything ...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
PS Ban me and wipe out all my posts ...
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Hope to see you at the other site.
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Matt, well said.
VERY well said.
Thanx
Russ K
On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Kolb Listers,
>
> You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get
> everyone so riled up. Geezes, its just email. Just delete or
> ignore the posts of the person that bothers you. Running off and
> starting a new list isn't the answer. Anybody on the this List
> that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply going to do
> it in another place. Not allowing them to subscribe and moderating
> this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to
> the situation.
>
> I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so
> displeased with all of the childish behavior of late. Starting a
> new list is just more childish behavior in my opinion.
>
> Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email
> message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone
> and the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person
> decision? Really? How egotistical and presumptuous of me that
> would be.
>
> Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this
> thread? That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.
>
> We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists. That
> serves nobody well. Let's just grow up and have adult
> conversations and put all this he-said, she-said BS to bed.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
I had the same problem, the castle nut was either too loose or too tight from one
cotter pin detent to the next. John H advice is the best to use the thinner
washers as needed, but I did not have any of John H non standard thickness
washers, so I ground down a washer until it was perfect. I figured if I ruined
a washer, no harm done, just get another one and try again.
Don't forget to grease that fitting in all exposed metal and everywhere it moves.
This way you can have a tighter fitting, less play, without binding. It also
protects the threads, and everything in there from corrosion.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
I see no need for a new group... it just splits up the useful information
and will in the end have the same occasional issues with a few
individuals. And although I also belong to a number of yahoo groups, it's
MUCH easier to find information in the archives of this group.
Now, let's drop this tiresome subject and talk about something new and
non-controversial. I hear there's this stuff called Seafoam you put in
your engine, what do y'all think? :)
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Matt,
You have been a very good list administrator for many years, which is a major reason
Matronics forums has been so successful. I apologize to have been involved
in something that has made your job harder than it needs to be. Matt spends
a lot of his personal time maintaining a pretty complex and large list so that
people like us can benefit, I everyone on this list can now honor what Matt
asks of us. I have a pretty short memory when it comes to these petty differences.
If we can put all this behind us I for one will not be looking for a
problem with anyone here. This will require the cooperation of all our members
here to have a lasting effect.
The last thing we want to do is to splinter the Kolb group. We are to small already...
We have a great place here where everyone can get good information on
their Kolbs, to splinter the group would only take away from that.
Matt, the Kolb group is much more resilient than you think, its not going to be
broken apart. This is a great list, it works well, and with Matts very competent
guidance it will prosper for a long time to come.
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Wow, Pretty bold & needed comment.
In my opinion, an apology to each member would go a long way, in addition to
the apology to Matt.
Jim Kmet
Mk-3C
Cookeville, TN
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From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...
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> Matt,
>
> You have been a very good list administrator for many years, which is a
> major reason Matronics forums has been so successful. I apologize to have
> been involved in something that has made your job harder than it needs to
> be. Matt spends a lot of his personal time maintaining a pretty complex
> and large list so that people like us can benefit, I everyone on this list
> can now honor what Matt asks of us. I have a pretty short memory when it
> comes to these petty differences. If we can put all this behind us I for
> one will not be looking for a problem with anyone here. This will
> require the cooperation of all our members here to have a lasting effect.
>
> The last thing we want to do is to splinter the Kolb group. We are to
> small already... We have a great place here where everyone can get good
> information on their Kolbs, to splinter the group would only take away
> from that.
>
> Matt, the Kolb group is much more resilient than you think, its not going
> to be broken apart. This is a great list, it works well, and with Matts
> very competent guidance it will prosper for a long time to come.
>
> Mike
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> could have !!!
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> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
At 10:33 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>These appear to be the real deal, although I haven't bought one to
>make sure. $12.95 includes 3 extra filters and gaskets and free
>shipping. Worth a look if you're in need of a fuel filter.
If you use these, it's best to safety wire the inside
tube to keep the round "nut" from vibrating loose,
backing out and covering the inlet hole to the right.
There was an advisory out years ago & I've seen it happen.
There are also cheap imitations out there that look
just like the good ones.
I still use this kind of filter, as long as the "O-rings" are
fresh & you don't crank it down, it seems to work fine.
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
I haven't left yet but will...I just wanted to leave you all with this
final fact. Did any of you ever notice that when I post an opinion...such as
why let everyone think this sport has to be so expensive when it doesn't have
to be...well, has anyone ever noticed that I never respond to any redicule
from my original post?
I don't respond because I believe that everyone has an opinion...with me or
against me. It's their right to believe that it's necessary to go out &
buy an 80 or 100 dollar fuel filter when you can buy a perfectly good one for
$3.50...or a totally rediculous 2,000+ dollar BRS that is highly unlikely
they'll ever use.
I've got along just fine for 30+ years & only God knows how many thousands
of hours without spending countless thousands of dollars on BS I'll most
likely never need or use. People reading this list & lists like this one are
thinking..."Hell, I can't afford this sport! It's almost as expensive as
owning an airplane!"
And don't worry...I will "not" be moving to the new list.
Thanks,
Bill Catalina
Tallahassee, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
Got one, Rick. Thanks for the heads up.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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Hi guys,
Here is one I did this morning....no big deal...just something to watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihzXAs3HTE
chris ambrose
m3x/jab 52 hr+
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
This is really dumb.....When I see the bitching start,I go to another subject...end
of story....why give anyone any fuel....this is the first and last I will
say anything else on this subject....
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Bill, as a fellow tightwad, I agree with your outlook. Proof is my
MkIII, bought as two wrecks and then cojoined, walmart garbage can
panel cover,
no parking sign panel, homemade nose cone, engine from an abandoned
car, $10.00 carb, generic dacron, etc.
I didn't mention the negatives though, like the MSD timing retarder
that wouldn't work unless you have MSD ignition, Mikuni carb (cheap
on eBay)
and over $1000 in props. -That part I don't mind, I like props :)
There's still some good guys here.
BB
On 28, Aug 2009, at 8:11 PM, Blumax008@aol.com wrote:
> I haven't left yet but will...I just wanted to leave you all with
> this final fact. Did any of you ever notice that when I post an
> opinion...such as why let everyone think this sport has to be so
> expensive when it doesn't have to be...well, has anyone ever
> noticed that I never respond to any redicule from my original post?
>
> I don't respond because I believe that everyone has an
> opinion...with me or against me. It's their right to believe that
> it's necessary to go out & buy an 80 or 100 dollar fuel filter when
> you can buy a perfectly good one for $3.50...or a totally
> rediculous 2,000+ dollar BRS that is highly unlikely they'll ever use.
>
> I've got along just fine for 30+ years & only God knows how many
> thousands of hours without spending countless thousands of dollars
> on BS I'll most likely never need or use. People reading this list
> & lists like this one are thinking..."Hell, I can't afford this
> sport! It's almost as expensive as owning an airplane!"
>
> And don't worry...I will "not" be moving to the new list.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Catalina
> Tallahassee, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
I own a world wide Yahoo group of over 1200 members...Lots of photo
storage....since 2004.... I have two other moderators...and so
far...I have banned maybe two or three members..
Be sure to okay new members...that keeps the porn and
spammers away... ...If a prospective member does not include a
sentence or two as to why they want a membership...then I disallow ...
my suggestion is to remember that you have members from all over
the world . Their ideas and outlook may be and are often
different... One thing that can not be tolerated is name
calling...or country calling... I don't ban members for calling me
names by the way! :-) Better have a thick skin and a good sense of
humor... Herb
ps I think Hauck would be a good moderator for one... I may not
agree on all things...but I have a lot of respect for him... after
all ...I sat through his 10 hour "trip to Alaska slide presentation
at TNK"... still smarting over the wal mart ribbon( I think it is
sizing tape) thing however!! :-) Sometimes I call him a rusty ole
nut!! :-) Herb
At 10:13 AM 8/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>Hey Guys,
> Just thought I'd see what kind of response this gets....
>
> The Tailwind group used to be here on the Matronics , but they moved
>
>on to a Free yahoo group site , and are going strong...
>
> The sites have all the options , Pictures , archives,files,links etc.
>
> I would like to turn the ownership over to someone like John or Richard.
>
> If it doesn't work out... I'll just delete the site... no problem
>
> But I think it's worth a try...
>
> Here's the address.... I put John's Bird on the Homepage
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
>
> Hope to see you there....at least try it...
>.
>Ya know.... JP is even welcome.... But be careful.... You could be banned
>for a while.... depends who's in charge...and their moderators....
>
> Gotta Fly...
>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
>--------
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260205#260205
>
>
>Attachments:
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>http://forums.matronics.com//files/20_baraboo_07_150.jpg
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>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>08/28/09 18:10:00
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I am staying.... to many people on this list that I have come to know and
respect to leave. I always read the kolb posts every day sometimes before
the national news...jim swan
do not archive
JIM SWAN
firestar ll, 503, N663S
Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827
PH 517-663-8488 runway 2300' E & W (42-28.58N 084-44.69 W )
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I have yet to watch a Kolb video that I did not like ! There was not a single
thing on TV that beat this tonight, so keep em coming. The different views
around the cockpit and rearward were nice, it really gives one an feeling of what
its like to be in your plane. 80 MPH, thats pretty great, what % power and
GPH was that ? I have to push my MK III Xtra really hard to get 80 MPH.
Does your GPS show your airspeed to be accurate ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Hi Mike !
Thanks ! The airspeed does seem to be accurate ...at 2700 rpm's with the jabiru
it seems to burn give or take 2.5-3 gph...2900,which is the highest recommended
cruise,IAS is around 92 mph and 3.5-4 gph. Unless I'm going somewhere ,I
usually cruise at 26-2700 rpm.It's real good on fuel at that rpm.Not a nice airplane
to fly in the rain though. Lots of leaks ! LOL At least it stayed off
my face ! lol
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
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