---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/29/09: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:16 AM - Fuel Filter List Clutter (funderp47) 2. 03:41 AM - Re: Re: New Kolb Group , free site (pj.ladd) 3. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (pj.ladd) 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Jack B. Hart) 5. 05:32 AM - Re: Fuel Filter List Clutter (robert bean) 6. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Richard Girard) 7. 05:53 AM - Re: Fuel Filter List Clutter (John Hauck) 8. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (russ kinne) 9. 06:36 AM - Re: Plain ol South Louisian flying pics (cristalclear13) 10. 07:13 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (Richard Pike) 11. 09:44 AM - Firestar II vs Slingshot Kolbra (dalewhelan) 12. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Wingtips (zeprep251@aol.com) 13. 12:09 PM - Update on Verner 1400 (Steve Simmons) 14. 02:43 PM - Re: Fuel Filter List Clutter (chris davis) 15. 02:51 PM - powered and unpowered weights (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com) 16. 04:04 PM - Rotax 912S worth it? (albertakolbmk3) 17. 04:28 PM - Re: Rotax 912S worth it? (John Hauck) 18. 05:24 PM - Re: Rotax 912S worth it? (albertakolbmk3) 19. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912S worth it? (John Hauck) 20. 06:39 PM - Re: Rotax 912S worth it? (John Bickham) 21. 06:55 PM - Re: Rotax 912S worth it? (R Harris) 22. 07:06 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (Richard Girard) 23. 07:10 PM - turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (Mike Welch) 24. 10:56 PM - Sedona fly inn (dalewhelan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter List Clutter From: "funderp47" I feel kinda guilty. I replied to Bob Bean (I think) in this thread about his fuel filter to simply provide differences in construction of the plastic filters. My post was followed by the 80 dollar MUST use my filter tirade quoting my post and other threads about filters that seemed to grow into general civil unrest. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61345&highlight I read the very strong reply to my post that was quoted and paid it no more attention than channel changing through the opinionated word garbage channels on satellite tv. I think of it as the Jerry Springerization of America. If some people are as word ugly in person as they appear on these lists, then I am just happy that I don't have to be around them in daily life. Retired, flying a non-Kolb out of my pasture, and still enjoying the good stuff on this list as a lurker for a number of years. Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260335#260335 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:30 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Kolb Group , free site But the other site will have Builders / Flyers also...and it won't have the Bickering...>> Oh yes it will, if the same guys move. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:50 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of one wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different planes, with different wing tips to do the same job. Spitfire Elliptical Hurricane. Round Me 109 Square Maybe is isn`t that important after all. Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:19 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips At 12:10 PM 8/29/09 +0100, you wrote: > >Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of one >wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different >planes, with different wing tips to do the same job. > >Spitfire Elliptical >Hurricane. Round >Me 109 Square > >Maybe is isn`t that important after all. > >Pat > It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the fuel. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter List Clutter Phil, we'll pretend all the intermediate stuff never occurred. I'm using the Walmart Fram see-through and I like it. 1/4" push-on nipples. BB On 29, Aug 2009, at 6:16 AM, funderp47 wrote: > > I feel kinda guilty. I replied to Bob Bean (I think) in this > thread about his fuel filter to simply provide differences in > construction of the plastic filters. My post was followed by the > 80 dollar MUST use my filter tirade quoting my post and other > threads about filters that seemed to grow into general civil unrest. > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61345&highlight > > I read the very strong reply to my post that was quoted and paid it > no more attention than channel changing through the opinionated > word garbage channels on satellite tv. I think of it as the Jerry > Springerization of America. > > If some people are as word ugly in person as they appear on these > lists, then I am just happy that I don't have to be around them in > daily life. > > Retired, flying a non-Kolb out of my pasture, and still enjoying > the good stuff on this list as a lurker for a number of years. > > Phil > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260335#260335 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: Richard Girard Pat, On top of all that, the last models of the Spit had squared off tips. Rick Girard do not archive On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 12:10 PM 8/29/09 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of > one > >wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different > >planes, with different wing tips to do the same job. > > > >Spitfire Elliptical > >Hurricane. Round > >Me 109 Square > > > >Maybe is isn`t that important after all. > > > >Pat > > > > It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the fuel. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:32 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter List Clutter > Phil, we'll pretend all the intermediate stuff never occurred. > I'm using the Walmart Fram see-through and I like it. 1/4" push-on > nipples. > BB Bob B: Yep! I couldn't fly without Walmart. Still using 25 year old fuel filter technology, but it works. Flying a 17 year old airplane and it works. Got three tractors 73 years old, one 72 (the rest are younger than me), and they still work great. Seventy year old pilot and he still works, but a little slower. Miss P'fer, my MKIII, is put up and secured for the next two or three months while I hit the road West next Monday morning. Ya'll play purty while I'm gone. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:09 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Wasn't the Spit wingtip changed from elliptical to squared-off? For more efficiency? do not archive On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:10 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the > superiority of one wing tip over another that three top designers > designed three different planes, with different wing tips to do the > same job. > > Spitfire Elliptical > Hurricane. Round > Me 109 Square > > Maybe is isn`t that important after all. > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Plain ol South Louisian flying pics From: "cristalclear13" John Bickham wrote: > [i]So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. :D Thanks John B. I really enjoyed the pictures. I flew last Sunday over the Laura S. Walker Lake but forgot my camera. It was fun seeing the boats racing around. It's only 9:30 and the heat index is already 86. I'd really like some cooler weather - please send some my way! Think I'll go fly anyways. It only gives me half a heart attack now when the thermals kick me around. Guess I'm getting a little used to it. [Laughing] -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260353#260353 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Kolb Group , free site From: "Richard Pike" planecrazzzy Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 638 PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site Reply with quote Hi John, I can understand what your saying.... I have talked with others , who have started various "specialized" forums for their "Type" of Kolb Aircraft.... Basically for the same reason... Because the list "does" need policing.... or at least the threat of it... I was hoping to get "you" on board... I would have gladly made you the "owner" of the site.... There are people joining the site....Once I see someone to take it over... I'll put them as owner.... at least it'll be source of info without the bickering... Richard ( Old Poop )... I'd like to see you there... I know you'd make a great Owner/moderator.... and you have the kind of Knowledge this position would need.... You could still pop in the matronics site if you need a taste of it... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN **************************************************** Thanks but no thanks. Not interested in reinventing a perfectly good wheel. This list may have occasional problems, and occasionally I'm one of them, so I will make a serious effort to work on patience. And now is probably a good time to apologize to Matt and the list for not having enough. Let's all take a deep breath and just wait to see what the future holds. Shalom. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260360#260360 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II vs Slingshot Kolbra From: "dalewhelan" I fly a 503 Firestar II Was wondering if anyone that has flown the three above aircraft would be able to provide a comparison. Not specs but your experience as to how they fly. I have only seen Firefly, Firestar, Firestar II, and MKIII Kolb aircraft. I was wondering if the others are less popular and if so why. I like flying cross country in my Firestar and am not unhappy with it, I am interested in finding out what might be better than a Firestar. Higher speed, greater range, similar landing, climb, fuel economy. -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260375#260375 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: zeprep251@aol.com Russ, ?They squared them off so they did not bump into the hanger door frame. -----Original Message----- From: russ kinne Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2009 9:04 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips ? Wasn't the Spit wingtip changed from elliptical to squared-off? For more efficiency?? do not archive? ? On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:10 AM, pj.ladd wrote:? ? >? > Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the > superiority of one wing tip over another that three top designers > designed three different planes, with different wing tips to do the > same job.? >? > Spitfire Elliptical? > Hurricane. Round? > Me 109 Square? >? > Maybe is isn`t that important after all.? >? > Pat? >? >? >? >? >? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:21 PM PST US From: "Steve Simmons" Subject: Kolb-List: Update on Verner 1400 I have taken my VN 1400, to Central FLORDIA Flyers and have met Steve the owner and as far as I can see he and his operation is first class, I believe Steve is a excellent craftsman. With a excellent customer service attitude. The problem of vibrating propeller, propeller damper was remanufactured with a harder rubber and that stopped the vibration. I am looking forward to gritting the engine from Steve and the airplane back from Brian at the Kolb field and getting it ready to fly. Steve Simmons ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:10 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter List Clutter =0A=0AJohn, I hope you are taking your computer with you ,It would be kind of difficult around here without you !- Chris=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:50:56 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter List Clutter=0A=0A--> Kolb-List me ssage posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0A> Phil, we'll pretend all the intermediate stuff never occurred.=0A> I'm using the Walmar t Fram see-through and I like it.- 1/4" push-on nipples.=0A> BB=0A=0A=0AB ob B:=0A=0AYep!=0A=0AI couldn't fly without Walmart.=0A=0AStill using 25 ye ar old fuel filter technology, but it works.=0A=0AFlying a 17 year old airp lane and it works.=0A=0AGot three tractors 73 years old, one 72 (the rest a re younger than me), and they still work great.=0A=0ASeventy year old pilot and he still works, but a little slower.=0A=0AMiss P'fer, my MKIII, is put up and secured for the next two or three months while I hit the road West next Monday morning.=0A=0AYa'll play purty while I'm gone.=0A=0Ajohn h=0Amk ===============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US From: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights Here's an odd question: Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds. ? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 912S worth it? From: "albertakolbmk3" For the guys that have made the switch from 582 to 912S, was it worth it? Any noticeable differences in the way it flies? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260403#260403 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:00 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912S worth it? > For the guys that have made the switch from 582 to 912S, was it worth it? Any noticeable differences in the way it flies? > Hi Tony/Gang: I have flown my mkIII with 582, 912UL, and 912ULS. The switch was worth it. Yes, there are noticeable differences, primarily in performance increase. Not much faster in cruise and top speed, but climbs like a home sick angel. I believe the best all around engine is the 912UL, 80 hp. It operates on regular unleaded 87 octane fuel, spark plugs go 200 hours. With a ground adjustable prop, the 912ULS is good for 95 hp at 5500 max coninuous rpm. The 912UL still puts out close to 80 hp at 5500 max continuous. Once you fly with a 912ULS, you won't want to go back. jhohn h mkIII ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 912S worth it? From: "albertakolbmk3" John, What are you running for a prop? How much work to convert. From what I can see in the pictures I've found guys still utilize the single boom setup. Off topic, I'm converting my tailfeather cables to the same adjustable setup you have. What size of turnbuckles did you use? Would you have a part number? I ordered some from aircraft spruce but they seem quite large for what they have to do. They are rated to 2200 lbs each. The part number from Aircraft Spruce was AN130-22S. Tony Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260408#260408 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:36 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 912S worth it? > What are you running for a prop? How much work to convert. From what I can > see in the pictures I've found guys still utilize the single boom setup. > Off topic, I'm converting my tailfeather cables to the same adjustable > setup you have. What size of turnbuckles did you use? Would you have a > part number? I ordered some from aircraft spruce but they seem quite large > for what they have to do. They are rated to 2200 lbs each. The part number > from Aircraft Spruce was AN130-22S. > > Tony Tony/Gang: Warp Drive 71", 3 blade, fast taper with nickle steel leading edges, and a 4" prop extension. Pretty simple to install a 912 on a MKIII. Call Travis at TNK and get him to send you an installation kit, which utilizes same engine Lord Mounts as the 582. I used same turnbuckles as the elevator cables use. I don't know what size they are. I am not located near my airplane. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 912S worth it? From: "John Bickham" Tony, Just to add to what John H said. I have the 80 hp 912ul. On the trip out west in May, I was flying with 3 others that had the 912ULS. They had me by by a handful of MPH's. I think I would run about 5200 RPM and they would be down under 5000 to stay together. Besides the better climb and just a bit better cruise, they did a lot better at the higher altitudes during the mountain crossings. They could go a bit higher, faster. At 10,000 feet I was not climbing very well and having to work to get back losses from downdrafts. The other thing I might add as a positive to the 80 hp 912UL, besides operating on regular gas and the spark plugs lasting longer, is the fuel burn is a little lower. I averaged right at 4.25 gph for the entire trip. I think John H and the other 100 hp's were just a bit over 5 gph. John H would have to verify that. So I guess it depends on your flying. Alberta is a bit higher than the swamps of Louisiana ain't it? For down here, the 80 hp is just fine. Just a bit more economical to operate. Stats for trip: http://www.kolbadventures.blogspot.com/ Hope this is helpful. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260421#260421 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 912S worth it? From: "R Harris" John are you coming thru AR. on this trip? Would like you to look at my plane if you are. Food is still good and still got a extra bed. I have even mowed the strip... Richard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260423#260423 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights From: Richard Girard You've answered your own question, I think."an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered is powered. * * *Rick * On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, wrote: > *Here's an odd question:* > ** > * Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller > turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine need to > make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider, > 155 pounds. ?* > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:13 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware Tony=2C When I was working on my plane last year=2C I needed some turnbuckles=2C too. I found an outfit that sells "brand new surplus" turnbuckles for abou t $7.50 each=2C for the complete assembly=2C instead of $30 from Aircraft S pruce. I order plenty of stuff from Aircraft Spruce=2C but these turnbuckles are the exact same items at 1/4th the cost. They are genuine aircraft hardwar e=2C identical to the ones that came with my MkIII kit. I also ordered some other items from these folks=2C like pulleys=2C and A N nuts & bolts. I tried finding them online=2C and I THINK this is them. http://www.preferredairparts.com/hardware.htm Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sedona fly inn From: "dalewhelan" September 19 Sedona SEZ Went that last year, nice view, closest I expect to get to a carrier landing. Been advised against landing on the numbers. The people were real nice when I flew there last year. -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260441#260441 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.