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1. 02:34 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (pj.ladd)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (pj.ladd)
3. 02:35 AM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (pj.ladd)
4. 03:43 AM - Re: Firestar II vs Slingshot Kolbra (Thom Riddle)
5. 03:55 AM - Re: Wingtips (icrashrc)
6. 04:57 AM - Re: Wingtips (David Lucas)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: Wingtips (Jack B. Hart)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Kirkds)
9. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Richard Girard)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (John Hauck)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Kirkds)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (John Hauck)
13. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay (Richard Girard)
14. 09:04 AM - Transporting a Kolb (Tim Warlick)
15. 09:15 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
16. 10:14 AM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (Robert Laird)
17. 10:23 AM - Re: Transporting a Kolb (Richard Girard)
18. 10:23 AM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (robert bean)
19. 10:42 AM - Re: Transporting a Kolb (Robert Laird)
20. 02:49 PM - Re: Warp props and Rotax 582 (b young)
21. 03:14 PM - Re: fuel filters (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
22. 04:36 PM - always do your preflight! (Jimmy Young)
23. 04:51 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (zeprep251@aol.com)
24. 04:54 PM - Re: always do your preflight! (zeprep251@aol.com)
25. 05:05 PM - Re: Transporting a Kolb (zeprep251@aol.com)
26. 05:08 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (russ kinne)
27. 05:12 PM - Re: always do your preflight! (ces308)
28. 05:37 PM - Re: always do your preflight! (albertakolbmk3)
29. 05:41 PM - Re: Transporting a Kolb (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
30. 05:44 PM - Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! (xauxi99)
31. 05:51 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (zeprep251@aol.com)
32. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: always do your preflight! (robert bean)
33. 06:42 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (Robert Laird)
34. 06:43 PM - Re: always do your preflight! (John Hauck)
35. 06:56 PM - Re: always do your preflight! (John Hauck)
36. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: always do your preflight! (John Hauck)
37. 07:10 PM - Re: Warp props and Rotax 582 (HShack@aol.com)
38. 07:13 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (John Hauck)
39. 07:24 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (Jack B. Hart)
40. 07:40 PM - Re: powered and unpowered weights (Jack B. Hart)
41. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: always do your preflight! (robert bean)
42. 08:02 PM - Re: Transporting a Kolb (cristalclear13)
43. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: always do your preflight! (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
44. 08:50 PM - Re: always do your preflight! (Dennis Souder)
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Wasn't the Spit wingtip changed from elliptical to squared-off? For more
efficiency?>>
Hi Russ,
In the B of B all the Spits had eliptical wings. Later Spits did have a
clipped wing. I think that was because dogfighting had moved to much higher
altitudes.
I love the theory that the Me109 had squared wing tips because German hangar
doors were narrower.
Cheers
Pat
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It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the
fuel.>>
Hi Jack,
thats part of it of course but surely each of the designers was striving for
the highest efficiency he could get for other reasons.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller
> turned by bicycle pedals.
It wouldn`t be an ultralight or a glider, but a separate category.
Apart from that fact, someone already has.
It was called the `Gossamer something` (i have forgotten and I am too
busy to look it up. Party for 60 people in about 90 minutes). it was
built as light as possible with an immense wingspan. The power was a
highly trained cyclist taught to fly for the occasion.
He made it from Dover to France, mainly in ground effect and collapsed
exhausted on the beach.
The human body could not generate enough horse power to get an ordinary
ultralight off the ground.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Firestar II vs Slingshot Kolbra |
Dale,
I recently purchased a Slingshot and used to own an early Firestar, 2 of them actually.
And I give instruction in a MkIII C w/ 582. I've never flown a FSII or
mk3X, or Kolbra, or Ultrastar or Firefly.
IN MY OPINION:
For low and slow the early Firestar is hard to beat for solo flight.
The MkIIIC is a good and capable airplane for side-by-side flying with a friend.
The Slingshot is a joy to fly if you like quick responsive roll control and relative
comfort in bumpy air but not enough wing for two heavy occupants so I fly
it solo.
Range is function of fuel supply, fuel consumption rate and airspeed. Any experimental
airplane can be made to go further by improving any or all of these factors.
This was probably not worth much but it was cheap.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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Pat,
Please point me to where i can find more info about these planes. The only one's
i know of with the names Spitfire, Hurricane, and ME 109 were designed well
over 60 years ago. :-)
Our understanding of aerodynamics has changed substantially in the last 10 years,
let alone 60+.
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of one
> wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different
> planes, with different wing tips to do the same job.
>
> Spitfire Elliptical
> Hurricane. Round
> Me 109 Square
>
> Maybe is isn`t that important after all.
>
> Pat
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Just wondering how relevant comparisons to high performance WWll fighters is to
the Kolb wing. They're flying at 250 kts plus, 3 to 4 times that of the Kolb
(at least). A performance enhancement in those types might not produce any measurable
result in the Kolb even if it does work.
Surely it's more a factor of high wing loading and high speed that the difference's
show significant results. However, I can remember the DC3 with its rounded
wingtip was very heavy on the ailerons. The Basler conversions (where they
put on two PT6 turboprops etc, instead of the P&W 1830 radials) changed the rounded
wingtip shape to a raked design and the aileron control improved a lot (or
so I'm told) but the speed stayed similar (maybe a little faster and probably
due to the higher HP not the wingtip), so nicer handling was the result.
Interesting thread anyway.
David.
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At 10:21 AM 8/30/09 +0100, you wrote:
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>It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the
>fuel.>>
>
>Hi Jack,
>thats part of it of course but surely each of the designers was striving for
>the highest efficiency he could get for other reasons.
>
>Cheers
>
Pat.
I agree. The design end goal sets the definition of efficiency. If you
want to climb faster, you an add wing and/or increase engine power.
Etc.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
My filter with the warped plastic tube.
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Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
Please turn your flash on. I can't make out anything, the picture is so
dark.
Rick Girard
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> My filter with the warped plastic tube.
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Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
> My filter with the warped plastic tube.
>
Kirk S/Gang:
If it was mine, I'd replace the plastic tube with a piece of 6061 tubing, if
the rest of the filter looks like it will be serviceable and reliable.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
Rick it looks good here . Does it show ok to anyone besides me? John, I did that
per your suggestion and it appeers to be working ok.
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Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
> Rick it looks good here . Does it show ok to anyone besides me? John, I
did that per your suggestion and it appeers to be working ok.
>
Kirk S/Gang:
I am very careful not to overtighten the caps. On one occassion I did.
Result was the end of the tube pulled past a round O ring causing a leak.
Some replacement element kits come with square cut and some round O rings.
Usually the square cut is less Murphy proof. However, the round O ring
seals work fine as long as I do not over tighten.
I think the aluminum tube works best with square cut ends, rather than
sanding and rounding. I polish the tube on a buffing wheel once in a blue
moon, but am careful not to hit the square edges of each end to prevent
rounding them off.
My filter uses a circular thumb nut to secure the nylon element. I snug
this up tight by hand. I have never used safety wire on it and never had a
problem of this nut loosening up.
Takes a couple minutes to inspect the filter by removal and disassembly, and
the aluminum tube gives me the satisfaction it ain't gonna break in flight.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
Tried it with WMV and Irfanview, both showed up near black.
Rick
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Kirkds <kirkds@dishmail.net> wrote:
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> Rick it looks good here . Does it show ok to anyone besides me? John, I did
> that per your suggestion and it appeers to be working ok.
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Subject: | Transporting a Kolb |
All,
Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try
to move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and
drive it the 23 hours?
Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions
do I need to take?
Tim Warlick
Kolb Mark 3 Classic
BMW R100 powered
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Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
There are a few kolb forums out there , most are neglected sites and
not "set up" very good , or under lock and key...
or infested with spam.
without much posting... they die out
I've written to them to see if we can gather a few of them to make
another decent forum... We're already set up with a better home page
and "Links" of building sites.... a lot of people have joined it already.
There's a lot of people that won't put up with some of the people here.
Hey ... it's worth a try... Better than just taking what's givin to you...
If it doesn't work out ,
I'll delete the forum instead of letting it just sit around...
Anybody got an address to their building site ? I'm still searching for
more "Links"
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
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Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine doesn't
create any electrical power. ;-)
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> You've answered your own question, I think."an ultralight that was powered
> by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered is powered.
> *
> *
> *Rick
> *
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> *Here's an odd question:*
>> **
>> * Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
>> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine
>> need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered
>> glider, 155 pounds. ?*
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
Tim, It it were me I'd get the U-Haul. That's the way I brought mine back
from Alabama. The best precaution you can take is to get the main gear up
off the floor of the truck so road shocks won't be transmitted to the plane.
I used 4" foam pads with a plywood compression plate to spread the load over
the entire piece of foam. Put the boom in a padded cradle to get the tail
wheel off the floor for the same reason.I was the packaging engineer for an
office equipment manufacturer in the 90's. I spent a couple of days at the
Yellow Freight Packaging Laboratory filming tests of out packaging. One of
the things I learned was that a normal highway expansion joint transmits a
6G shock load to the truck floor. Do that about 100,000 times (not an
unusual number for 2,000 miles of road) and it will damage your aircraft
Rick Girard
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Tim Warlick <timwarlick@mchsi.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
>
> For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try to
> move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and drive
> it the 23 hours?
>
> Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions do
> I need to take?
>
> Tim Warlick
> Kolb Mark 3 Classic
> BMW R100 powered
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
Strap a big leaf blower to your back. They can provide more
continuous thrust than your feet.
You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
> The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine
> doesn't create any electrical power. ;-)
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard
> <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> You've answered your own question, I think.
> "an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle
> pedals", powered is powered.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com> wrote:
> Here's an odd question:
>
> Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would
> this machine need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254
> pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds. ?
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> a>http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
To add to what Rick said, which I whole heartedly agree with.... of all the
Kolbs I've seen transported, the most common mistake was not protecting the
leading edge of the wings. I would suggest removing the wings, then
wrapping them with foam rubber, doubly so on the leading edge. I suspended
mine from the ceiling of the trailer and then rigged it with blankets, foam
rubber, etc. so that the wings wouldn't move around.
-- Robert
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote:
> Tim, It it were me I'd get the U-Haul. That's the way I brought mine back
> from Alabama. The best precaution you can take is to get the main gear up
> off the floor of the truck so road shocks won't be transmitted to the plane.
> I used 4" foam pads with a plywood compression plate to spread the load over
> the entire piece of foam. Put the boom in a padded cradle to get the tail
> wheel off the floor for the same reason. I was the packaging engineer for
> an office equipment manufacturer in the 90's. I spent a couple of days at
> the Yellow Freight Packaging Laboratory filming tests of out packaging. One
> of the things I learned was that a normal highway expansion joint transmits
> a 6G shock load to the truck floor. Do that about 100,000 times (not an
> unusual number for 2,000 miles of road) and it will damage your aircraft
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Tim Warlick <timwarlick@mchsi.com>wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
>>
>> For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try to
>> move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and drive
>> it the 23 hours?
>>
>> Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions
>> do I need to take?
>>
>> Tim Warlick
>> Kolb Mark 3 Classic
>> BMW R100 powered
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Warp props and Rotax 582 |
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For
those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty
of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Don't worry only about the clearance
The extension will give you better performance, quieter operation.
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
I really don't want to stir things up again but.
I have been using automotive Fram G1 fuel filters since day one VW powered
MKIIIC with great results. They are made in Israel and have steel end caps
that are securely attached.
They have the following benefits:
They are cheap app. $3 at Farm & Fleet and well made. Why spend more?
They work good with ethanol, they have been designed and well tested with
it.
They don't need to be screwed together just right and don't unscrew in
flight. Lets call it fool proof.
They have lots of filter area
They filter at least as fine as the clearview filters and most likely much
finer.
I can get them most anywhere.
I don't need to change the glass tube to aluminum to make them safe.
I can also see if they are getting clogged but with the low cost I change
them once a year just because.
They filter 100LL just fine.
They have enough fuel flow capacity for my 302 V8 powered Cobra so they are
fine for my VW.
I don't know how they work with an oil mixture. I also don't know how they
would stand up to water because I have a gascolator before the filter that
at least minimizes the chance of water in the fuel. I do know I have one in
my Cobra (car) that hasn't been changed in ten years and is still in good
condition.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:32 AM
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>
> I am very careful not to overtighten the caps. On one occassion I did.
> Result was the end of the tube pulled past a round O ring causing a leak.
>
> Some replacement element kits come with square cut and some round O rings.
> Usually the square cut is less Murphy proof. However, the round O ring
> seals work fine as long as I do not over tighten.
>
> I think the aluminum tube works best with square cut ends, rather than
> sanding and rounding. I polish the tube on a buffing wheel once in a blue
> moon, but am careful not to hit the square edges of each end to prevent
> rounding them off.
>
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Subject: | always do your preflight! |
I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning. It's
the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new one on hand,
so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was good to go.
Prior to this happening, I had been thinking of a possible better way to assemble
the Kolb tailwires by copying what is done on a lot of other GA planes in our
hanger. They use the solid rods, threaded on both ends, with fork attachments
and jam nuts. They also have tangs, but they are thicker than ours. I think
I've seen one on a Kolb somewhere, just can't remember whose it was. Seems that
would be better, if you never fold/unfold your plane. I have always looked
very closely at those tangs on my preflights, looking for signs of a stress crack
forming, but I never saw any indications on this one until I found it in this
condition this morning. It had to have happened yesterday while I was out
flying, because it wasn't there yesterday morning.
Jimmy Y
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FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
I guess it's just us old timers that remember the Gossamer Condor.No numbers on
that aircraft but you had to be an Olympic class cyclist to fly it.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
Strap a big leaf blower to your back. ?They can provide more continuous thrust
than your feet.
You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine doesn't create
any electrical power.? ;-)
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
You've answered your own question, I think.
"an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered
is powered.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com> wrote:
Here's an odd question:
?
??? Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned
by bicycle pedals.? There is no engine.? Would this machine need to make the
weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds.
?
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Jimmy,
Do you think that failure was caused by air loads or the amount of tension?
? G.Aman
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From: Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:35 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: always do your preflight!
I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning. It's
the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new one on
hand, so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was good to go.
Prior to this happening, I had been thinking of a possible better way to
assemble the Kolb tailwires by copying what is done on a lot of other GA planes
in our hanger. They use the solid rods, threaded on both ends, with fork
attachments and jam nuts. They also have tangs, but they are thicker than ours.
I think I've seen one on a Kolb somewhere, just can't remember whose it was.
Seems that would be better, if you never fold/unfold your plane. I have always
looked very closely at those tangs on my preflights, looking for signs of a
stress crack forming, but I never saw any indications on this one until I found
it in this condition this morning. It had to have happened yesterday while I was
out flying, because it wasn't there yesterday morning.
Jimmy Y
--------
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FS II, HKS 700
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Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
Tim,
? Trucks are firm riding.I would try to find a trailer. A car hauler is easy to
adapt.I'll send you some pictures that may give you some ideas.
G.Aman 5005 miles to MV and back
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From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transporting a Kolb
Tim, It it were me I'd get the U-Haul. That's the way I brought mine back from
Alabama. The best precaution you can take is to get the main gear up off the floor
of the truck so road shocks won't be transmitted to the plane. I used 4"
foam pads with a plywood compression plate to spread the load over the entire
piece of foam. Put the boom in a padded cradle to get the tail wheel off the floor
for the same reason.
I was the packaging engineer for an office equipment manufacturer in the 90's.
I spent a couple of days at the Yellow Freight Packaging Laboratory filming tests
of out packaging. One of the things I learned was that a normal highway expansion
joint transmits a 6G shock load to the truck floor. Do that about 100,000
times (not an unusual number for 2,000 miles of road) and it will damage your
aircraft
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Tim Warlick <timwarlick@mchsi.com> wrote:
All,
?
Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to
Tucson, AZ.
?
For those?who have transported their Kolbs,
should I let the movers try to move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26
foot U-Haul truck and drive it the 23 hours?
?
Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty
compact. What precautions do I need to take?
?
Tim Warlick
Kolb Mark 3 Classic
BMW R100 powered
?
?
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Gary
You're right; only a few of us old-timers recall the Gossamer Condor
-- and the Gossamer Albatross and the Solar Challenger, both of which
crossed the English Channel.
I guess after the Kremer Prize was awarded, interest dropped off.
Aviation milestones, for sure.
Russ
do not archive
On Aug 30, 2009, at 7:44 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> I guess it's just us old timers that remember the Gossamer
> Condor.No numbers on that aircraft but you had to be an Olympic
> class cyclist to fly it.
> G.Aman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
>
> Strap a big leaf blower to your back. They can provide more
> continuous thrust than your feet.
>
> You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
> BB
>
>
> On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
>
>> The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine
>> doesn't create any electrical power. ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard
>> <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You've answered your own question, I think.
>> "an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle
>> pedals", powered is powered.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com> wrote:
>> Here's an odd question:
>>
>> Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
>> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would
>> this machine need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254
>> pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds. ?
>>
>>
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Hi Guys and Gals,
This is what this list is about...keeping everyone safe . Thanks Jimmy!
chris ambrose
m3x/jab/
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Why so many adjacent holes. I would think that would have something to do with
the failure.
--------
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Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Tim
For a one way trip like that it might just be alot easer to fly your
plane. The weather this time of year should be fairly good and no
mountains.
Just a thought
do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Warlick
To: Kolb-List Digest Server
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Transporting a Kolb
All,
Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers
try to move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck
and drive it the 23 hours?
Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What
precautions do I need to take?
Tim Warlick
Kolb Mark 3 Classic
BMW R100 powered
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Marked! I will come back to check this soon!thanks a lot.:-)
Une simulation credit immobilier de France
a faire un
pret.
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I have no idea what any of them weighed ,been so long.....
-----Original Message-----
From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
Gary
You're right; only a few of us old-timers recall the Gossamer Condor -- and the
Gossamer Albatross and the Solar Challenger, both of which crossed the English
Channel.
I guess after the Kremer Prize was awarded, interest dropped off.
Aviation milestones, for sure.
Russ
do not archive
On Aug 30, 2009, at 7:44 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
I guess it's just us old timers that remember the Gossamer Condor.No numbers on
that aircraft but you had to be an Olympic class cyclist to fly it.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
Strap a big leaf blower to your back. ?They can provide more continuous thrust
than your feet.
You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine doesn't create
any electrical power.? ;-)
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
You've answered your own question, I think.
"an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered
is powered.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com> wrote:
Here's an odd question:
?
??? Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned
by bicycle pedals.? There is no engine.? Would this machine need to make the
weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds.
?
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Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
That is a good point. Although Kolb supplied the original kits with
the multi-hole tangs
because that was the only adjustment (aside from a small one possible
by twisting the cable)
In this case I would fab a plain steel tang with one hole because of
the turnbarrel. (sorry, had to call it by its real name)
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 8:36 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote:
> <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
>
> Why so many adjacent holes. I would think that would have something
> to do with the failure.
>
> --------
> Kolb MKIII C
> Rotax 582
> C Gearbox 3.00:1
> WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
>
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70 lbs... more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossamer_Condor
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:46 PM, <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote:
> I have no idea what any of them weighed ,been so long.....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: russ kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 8:07 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
>
> Gary You're right; only a few of us old-timers recall the Gossamer Condor
> -- and the Gossamer Albatross and the Solar Challenger, both of which
> crossed the English Channel.
> I guess after the Kremer Prize was awarded, interest dropped off.
> Aviation milestones, for sure.
> Russ
> do not archive
>
> On Aug 30, 2009, at 7:44 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
>
> I guess it's just us old timers that remember the Gossamer Condor.No
> numbers on that aircraft but you had to be an Olympic class cyclist to fly
> it.
> G.Aman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
>
> Strap a big leaf blower to your back. They can provide more continuous
> thrust than your feet.
> You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
> BB
>
>
> On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
>
> The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine doesn't
> create any electrical power. ;-)
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You've answered your own question, I think. "an ultralight that was
>> powered by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered is powered.
>> *
>> *
>> *Rick
>> *
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, <Masqqqqqqq@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Here's an odd question:*
>>> **
>>> * Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
>>> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine
>>> need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered
>>> glider, 155 pounds. ?*
>>>
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Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
> I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning.
> It's the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new
> one on hand, so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was
> good to go.
>
> Jimmy Y
Jimmy Y/Gang:
I don't like those multi-hole tangs, especially stainless steel, plus being
bent to fit.
Glad you caught that one.
I have never used that style.
I have used the SS tangs with one hole each end with good success.
My mkIII is equipped with 4130 tangs I made from strap and turn buckles to
adjust the tension.
john h
mkIII
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I'm not Jimmy Y, but I'd like to respond.
My best guess would be vibration and a stress riser where the tang was bent
across punched holes in SS. SS is much less stress resistant as 4130.
Jim's photo shows two bends in the tang. One of those bends goes right thr
ough the hole that broke. If my old eyes are seeing correctly.
john h
mkIII
Jimmy,
Do you think that failure was caused by air loads or the amount of tensio
n?
G.Aman
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> In this case I would fab a plain steel tang with one hole because of
> the turnbarrel. (sorry, had to call it by its real name)
> BB
Bob B:
Isn't the "turnbuckle barrel" one part of the turnbuckle?
The other two parts being a pin or cable fork???
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Warp props and Rotax 582 |
If you have a "B" box, I think the prop inertia will be too great. It
may work for years & years, but maybe not......
Shack
In a message dated 8/30/2009 5:50:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
by0ung@brigham.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For
those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty
of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Don't worry only about the clearance
The extension will give you better performance, quieter operation.
Boyd Young
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How does this subject relate with building and flying Kolb aircraft?
Without adding DO NOT ARCHIVE, it goes in the Kolb archives so someone can
find info on it in years to come.
Don't get your panties in a wad or I will start talking about VG's and fuel
filters.
john h - Just curious!
mkIII
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70 lbs... more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossamer_Condor
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From: zeprep251@aol.com
I have no idea what any of them weighed ,been so long.....
-------------------------
Gossamer Condor and Gossamer Albatross both weighed 209 pounds empty.
Estimated power to fly was .48 hp.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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From: zeprep251@aol.com
I have no idea what any of them weighed ,been so long.....
-------------------------
Gossamer Condor and Gossamer Albatross both weighed 209 pounds empty.
Correction - should have written loaded full up.
Estimated power to fly was .48 hp.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
The old west coast aviation guys used to call them turnbarrels as do
some UK countries. I just like to call them that
because I don't see a buckle there. I would still call the hardware
store variety a turnbuckle though.
The aeronca C-3 and some others actually used them for lift struts. :(
I shall now yield to common usage.
I shall also think about a design change on mine, plus closer
preflights until then.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 10:05 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> > In this case I would fab a plain steel tang with one hole because of
>> the turnbarrel. (sorry, had to call it by its real name)
>> BB
>
> Bob B:
>
> Isn't the "turnbuckle barrel" one part of the turnbuckle?
>
> The other two parts being a pin or cable fork???
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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timwarlick(at)mchsi.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
>
> For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try to
move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and drive it
the 23 hours?
>
> Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions do
I need to take?
>
> Tim Warlick
> Kolb Mark 3 Classic
> BMW R100 powered
>
I rented a 26 foot Uhaul truck to get my Mark II from northern Alabama to southeast
Georgia, about an 8 or 9 hour trip.
The man I bought the plane from had some homemade wood wing holders padded with
carpet, and we also padded it with extra moving blankets. I believe we strapped
the wings to the side wall as well.
We nailed some boards into the floor on both sides of the tires (don't know if
we were supposed to do that to the truck, but it had a wood floor and we removed
it after we were done). As you can see in the picture we used rachet straps
wrapped around the board that runs along the side of the truck wall to help
stabilize it.
We put foam in between the horizontal and vertical stabilizer while it was folded
up, but we missed a spot and the only damage I had to the entire plane after
the move was a small hole in my horizontal stabilizer.
The other ideas already mentioned from others would be a good thing to incorporate
if you decide to go with the Uhaul truck.
By the way I had four men to lift the plane in and out of the truck. My Mark II
is about 400 pounds.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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In a message dated 8/30/2009 8:38:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cheriebraun@xplornet.com writes:
Why so many adjacent holes. I would think that would have something to do
with the failure.
cherie/all
The tang with several holes was designed so as to be able to adjust the
length of the cable for proper tension. By moving the bolt from one hole to
another, it will either tighten or loosen the cable.
On the tangs with only one hole (at each end of course) they could be
adjusted by installing or removing washers placed under the tang. My builders
manual mentioned this and suggested installing at least one washer between
the tang and the tail surface when being built so if adjustment was needed
later it could be done as described.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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Subject: | always do your preflight! |
Jimmy,
It looks like the clevis end of the turnbuckle may have been pressing on the
tang as there appears to be an indented marking on the tang matching the
curvature of the clevis end. (Sometimes photos are deceiving, but it does
give this appearance.) I don't know if at some point in the life of the
airplane that when the wings were folded the turnbuckle was leveraging the
tang and flexed it ... possibly when folding the tail, the turnbuckle had
some pressure on it and in turn flexed the tang?
I know the tang is not 4130 and there are holes in it - but even still there
is a lot of strength in the tang. I have a hard time thinking that the crack
resulted from tension loads alone.
The tang is designed to replace a turnbuckle and consequently most Kolbs
would not have the turnbuckle. So this is probably a relatively rare set-up
and possibly the turnbuckle and tail folding had something to do with it?
Dennis
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Young
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: always do your preflight!
I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning.
It's the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new
one on hand, so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was
good to go.
Prior to this happening, I had been thinking of a possible better way to
assemble the Kolb tailwires by copying what is done on a lot of other GA
planes in our hanger. They use the solid rods, threaded on both ends, with
fork attachments and jam nuts. They also have tangs, but they are thicker
than ours. I think I've seen one on a Kolb somewhere, just can't remember
whose it was. Seems that would be better, if you never fold/unfold your
plane. I have always looked very closely at those tangs on my preflights,
looking for signs of a stress crack forming, but I never saw any indications
on this one until I found it in this condition this morning. It had to have
happened yesterday while I was out flying, because it wasn't there yesterday
morning.
Jimmy Y
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Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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