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1. 04:14 AM - Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (Jimmy Young)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (Richard Girard)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: aging Kolbers (william sullivan)
5. 05:49 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Michael Sharp)
6. 05:54 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
7. 06:01 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Jim Kmet)
8. 06:14 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Robert Laird)
9. 06:14 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (robert bean)
10. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: aging Kolbers (frank.goodnight)
11. 06:56 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Jack B. Hart)
12. 07:16 AM - Cargo Trailer (Steve Simmons)
13. 07:22 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Robert Laird)
14. 07:36 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Richard Girard)
15. 07:39 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (JetPilot)
17. 09:25 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Mike Welch)
18. 09:25 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (George Thompson)
19. 09:37 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (dalewhelan)
20. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Nelson, Craig)
21. 09:42 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (George Thompson)
22. 09:42 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Mike Welch)
23. 09:46 AM - Re: Wingtips (JetPilot)
24. 10:00 AM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (planecrazzzy)
25. 10:08 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy)
26. 10:10 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (pj.ladd)
27. 10:10 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Dana Hague)
28. 10:11 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Arksey@aol.com)
29. 10:53 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (loseyf@comcast.net)
30. 11:24 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
31. 11:39 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Mike Welch)
32. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (daniel myers)
33. 11:51 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
34. 11:57 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (henry.voris)
35. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (daniel myers)
36. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (daniel myers)
37. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (George Thompson)
38. 03:11 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Denny Rowe)
39. 03:32 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (zeprep251@aol.com)
40. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (zeprep251@aol.com)
41. 04:16 PM - Age (Jmmy Hankinson)
42. 04:37 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
43. 04:41 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Rex Rodebush)
44. 05:15 PM - Re: icom radio trouble (George Alexander)
45. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (russ kinne)
46. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (zeprep251@aol.com)
47. 05:49 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (R Harris)
48. 05:49 PM - Dear JP (Richard Girard)
49. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (possums)
50. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
51. 07:10 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
52. 07:14 PM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (JetPilot)
53. 07:18 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (cristalclear13)
54. 07:31 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (ces308)
55. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (possums)
56. 07:43 PM - Re: EGT quirk (cristalclear13)
57. 08:16 PM - Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (JetPilot)
58. 08:16 PM - Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (JetPilot)
59. 09:01 PM - Tail wheel support and brace (Larry Cottrell)
60. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Larry Cottrell)
61. 09:21 PM - Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (possums)
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Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information
and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to
know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually
replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
Possums writes:
> I had all my cables swaged this way ( elevator, rudder and tail wires) by a guy
near Aircraft Spruce in Griffin Ga. He supplies the cables and fittings. done
with a rotary swaging tool
Possums,
I like the added safety factor of your dual-bracing set up. Could you please take
a close up pic of the cable ends on both the fork and turnbuckle sides and
post it?
Thanks -
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Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
35 years of flying cable braced aircraft and I've never put a turnbuckle in
a structural cable. Cheapest turnbuckle cost then, $0. No multi hole tangs,
either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo in '76. Make your
cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra cables are extra
weight, not extra safety. My 2 cents, ya'll do what you choose, it's your
experiment.
Rick Girard
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Possums writes:
>
>
> > I had all my cables swaged this way ( elevator, rudder and tail wires) by
> a guy near Aircraft Spruce in Griffin Ga. He supplies the cables and
> fittings. done with a rotary swaging tool
>
>
> Possums,
>
> I like the added safety factor of your dual-bracing set up. Could you
> please take a close up pic of the cable ends on both the fork and turnbuckle
> sides and post it?
>
> Thanks -
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261172#261172
>
>
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Subject: | Re: aging Kolbers |
- Age 59, turning 60 on September 9th.- A good survey item, indicating
the future of the sport.
-
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-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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-------------------- FS 447
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Thom,=0A=0AI'm 44.- =0A=0ANot sure if I'm one to replace any aging Kolber
s or not, but i hope to be flying for a very long time.. =0A-=0Ado not ar
chive=0A-=0AMike=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: T
hom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thurs
day, September 3, 2009 6:14:10 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A
nce this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful informati
on and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curi
ous to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to
gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please res
pond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the
results. =0A=0AI am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead
of me.=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0A
Jabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 66x34=0A=0AA complex system that works
is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.=0A-
- John Gaule=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Thanks. Keep them coming. FWIW, William, my daughter's birthday is same as yours
(different year though :-). Mine is Halloween...Booo!
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Jim Kmet, 50
Cookeville, TN
912-Mk3C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long
> time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers
> coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't
> mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll
> compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free
technology around!
I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the
poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..
<http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..>
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
> I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
> along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
> please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
> post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
68
BB
On 3, Sep 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very
> long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of
> youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster
> Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If
> this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved
> from a simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
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Subject: | Re: aging Kolbers |
Age 69
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
Brownsville, TX
On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21 AM, william sullivan wrote:
> Age 59, turning 60 on September 9th. A good survey item,
> indicating the future of the sport.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
73
I really didn't start serious flying until flying until I was 63. I thought
I was on the old side and I worry that not many young people are taking up
the sport. But may be and old retired man's sport. Then every once in a
while I hear a little half VW going over head pulling a Hummel Bird. The
fellow flying it is 91 and so I think I may have a few years yet to
fly.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Does anyone close to East TN have an enclosed cargo trailer that will fit a
Kolb Mark 3 Classic, that is roadworthy and could be rented for a week.
Thanks Steve Simmons 423-748-4336.
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
The form has 7 responses so far:
16-2000%21-2900%30-3900%40-4500%46-5000%51-55114%56-59229%60-65229%66-70229%
71-7500%76-8000%81-8500%86-9000%91-9500%96-10000%
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Sputnik will be 52 on October 4th, I'll be 58. Time flies, but then so do I.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>wrote:
>
> 73
>
> I really didn't start serious flying until flying until I was 63. I
> thought
> I was on the old side and I worry that not many young people are taking up
> the sport. But may be and old retired man's sport. Then every once in a
> while I hear a little half VW going over head pulling a Hummel Bird. The
> fellow flying it is 91 and so I think I may have a few years yet to
> fly.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Robert,
I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so far.
Max age 73
Min age 44
Mean age 61.8
Median age 64.5
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo
in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra cables
are extra weight, not extra safety.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
Rick,
My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole tangs. You contradict
yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing extra safety
is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in the world
that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good reason for
this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a statement
like yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail bracing wires
would have prevented a crash and almost certain death.
You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly designed wingtips
would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and that it is not
worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and false. If
people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding an extra set
of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making dangerous
and materially false statements that will prevent people that want to make their
make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently complained
about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information here that
could get someone killed...
Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, and wire failures
in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a great idea, and
a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Michael (Sharp)!!
Heck=2C I thought you were older than that!
Besides=2C I heard you were getting a boat!
No?? Are you sure?
I could'a swore I heard you were getting a little dingey!! hehe LOL
Mike Welch
From: kolbdriver@mlsharp.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Thom=2C
I'm 44.
Not sure if I'm one to replace any aging Kolbers or not=2C but i hope to be
flying for a very long time..
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Mike
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday=2C September 3=2C 2009 6:14:10 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful informa
tion and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time=2C I'm
curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming alon
g to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So=2C if you don't mind=2C pl
ease respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and p
ost the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo=2C NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simp
le system that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: robert bean <slyck@
frontiernet.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September
3, 2009 6:02:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A--> Kolb-Li
st message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>=0A=0A68=0ABB=0A
=0AOn 3, Sep 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>=0A> =0A> Since this forum
has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd lik
e very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if
there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually rep
lace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.=0A>
=0A> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.=0A>
=0A> --------=0A> Thom Riddle=0A> Buffalo, NY=0A> Kolb Slingshot SS-021=0A
> Jabiru 2200A #1574=0A> Tennessee Prop 66x34=0A> =0A> A complex system tha
t works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works
.=0A>- - John Gaule=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:
=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170=0A>
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
I am 45 FSII
My buddy Greg is 45 FS tricycle
My buddy Chuck is 60 FSII
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Uncle craig
59
Don't archive
Craig Nelson AAS CDT
Technical Manager
Heraeus
300 Heraeus Way
South Bend, IN.
46614
Direct: 623-764-0680
Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
Robert,
I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so
far.
Max age 73
Min age 44
Mean age 61.8
Median age 64.5
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
--- Would you like to add me? I built and flew Kolbs, a Firestar and
a Firestar II until I was 82.=0A--- The Old Az. Bald Eagle=0A=0A=0A
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uch a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd like very much
for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if there are
a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging
oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If th
is gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.=0A> =0A> I am on
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e on Christmas eve=2C '96.
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> .
>
> Challenger did the same thing just
> before I sold mine. I would like to know how much was increased effeciency
> and how much was cosmetic. I reckon its like spoilers on cars. Useful on
> racing cars but a dead loss on a normal vehicle. They look nice but don`t
> achieve anything but no one will admit it and take them off.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Properly designed wingtips are not anything like Spoilers on Cars. Almost every
airplane in production today has properly designed wingtips on them, how do
you compare that to a few sports cars with spoilers ??? This is not even close
to valid comparison.
You ask about the Challenger, and yet we just got a report on that...
smlplanet(at)msn.com wrote:
>
>
> drooped win tips on myChallenger11 CWS and it made a world of differance and
have been thinking about installing them on the Mk 111 also.
>
> Ross R
>
How did you ignore this report on the improved wingtips on a Challenger just a
few post back ? Just the same way you have ignored the mountains of evidence
that show the benefit of properly designed wingtips on GA and LSA airplanes.
Mike
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
.
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The Turnbarrels I bought weren't for my Kolb, They were for the
cross bracing cables in the Wings of my Wittman Buttercup
Attached to the Compression strut in the Middle and crossing to the
root end and to the wing tips...
.
My cables on my Kolb are Swagged...
Only turnbuckles are on my Rudder cables and Elevator...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Kolb list- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
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That's funny....
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Oooo .. Oooo , I'm not going ?!?!
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HA !
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No Ice Cream for you !
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Gotta Fly...
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<<Mike Welch, 56, starting to fly in 1996>>
Get your knees brown, Mike.
First flew June 1964. 80 last Monday. Haven`t flown for 3 weeks Wx has
been terrible and the winds today are 50/60 mph. Heigh Ho
Cheers
Pat
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At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough
>response I'll compile and post the results.
49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
I am 78 years old and fly the firestar ever chance I get. I would say I am
aging...
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JIM SWAN
firestar ll, 503, N663S
Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827
PH 517-663-8488 runway 2300' E & W (42-28.58N 084-44.69 W )
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Fran Losey...just turned 47
------Original Message------
From: Dana Hague
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough
>response I'll compile and post the results.
49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
So far, Jim Swan is the oldest respondent at 78 and Michael Sharp is the youngest
respondent at 44. Looks like we have a good number of Kolbers under 60, 11
of 17 respondents so far, which is a good omen for List Longevity. I'm pleased
to see this. Keep 'em coming.
do not archive
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Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Oye' Mate!!
Pat=2C I'm sure everyone has a diverse and interesting story how they man
aged to become a pilot. In my case=2C I spent the biggest part of my life
being what I call a "fence hanger".
You know=2C a fence hanger=2C one of those guys that drop by an airport
=2C and hang onto the fence=2C watching everyone else fly....or stare at al
l the airplanes from OUTSIDE the fence!!
I have been absolutely facinated with flying my whole life. Technically
=2C I started pilot's training in 1979=2C but the economy ($$) kept me from
finishing. I picked up training a couple of times after that=2C but never
really finished. But=2C in 1996=2C I made a full commitment to get my PPL
=2C and also to buy a Cessna 172. I got both in 1996=2C my private license
and Cessna 8187X.
Ah=2C memories.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
<<Mike Welch=2C 56=2C starting to fly in 1996>>
Get your knees brown=2C Mike.
First flew June 1964. 80 last Monday. Haven`t flown for 3 weeks Wx has be
en terrible and the winds today are 50/60 mph. Heigh Ho
Cheers
Pat
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If I hadn't just sold my Kolb=2C I would be the youngest at 19? DAMN!
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
> From: riddletr@gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 11:24:20 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> So far=2C Jim Swan is the oldest respondent at 78 and Michael Sharp is th
e youngest respondent at 44. Looks like we have a good number of Kolbers un
der 60=2C 11 of 17 respondents so far=2C which is a good omen for List Long
evity. I'm pleased to see this. Keep 'em coming.
>
> do not archive
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> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo=2C NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a si
mple system that works.
> - John Gaule
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
h20maule,
Are you lamenting selling your Kolb or being so young? or perhaps both?
Trust me, you probably won't be 19 forever. I just turned 19 one week before I
passed my Private ASEL check-ride.... 1966.
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Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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61... 62 NEXT MONTH 10/17/47...
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Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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Just the 19 part! I hated to see my Firestar go...it was on full lotus floa
ts and I had a BLAST with it. It certainly won't be my last Kolb. I just b
ought a SeaRey and flew it home from Illinois. I hope to get another FSII o
r M3X in the future...on Full Lotus of course...Daniel
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
> From: riddletr@gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 11:50:58 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> h20maule=2C
>
> Are you lamenting selling your Kolb or being so young? or perhaps both?
>
> Trust me=2C you probably won't be 19 forever. I just turned 19 one week b
efore I passed my Private ASEL check-ride.... 1966.
>
> do not archive
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> Buffalo=2C NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a si
mple system that works.
> - John Gaule
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Sorry=2C Thom. I meant I was lamenting about selling the Kolb...not about b
eing 19
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
> From: riddletr@gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 11:50:58 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> h20maule=2C
>
> Are you lamenting selling your Kolb or being so young? or perhaps both?
>
> Trust me=2C you probably won't be 19 forever. I just turned 19 one week b
efore I passed my Private ASEL check-ride.... 1966.
>
> do not archive
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> Buffalo=2C NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a si
mple system that works.
> - John Gaule
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I didn't quit flying my Kolbs untill I was 83.=0A--- The Old ex Az Ba
ld Eagle=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thom Riddle <r
iddletr@gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, Septembe
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m Swan is the oldest respondent at 78 and Michael Sharp is the youngest res
pondent at 44. Looks like we have a good number of Kolbers under 60, 11 of
17 respondents so far, which is a good omen for List Longevity. I'm pleased
to see this. Keep 'em coming.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0AThom Rid
dle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee
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42, Started flying Pterodactyls at 15 in 1982 and finally got my private
ticket in 1994 I think it was.
Doing more child raising than flying lately but thats just fine with me.
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Loehle Sport Parasol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long
> time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers
> coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't
> mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll
> compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Thom,
G.Aman 71yrs pvt ticket in 1954
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:14 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information
and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to
know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually
replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
Mike,
You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with someone".Your usual openers,Only
a moron,or only an idiot,keep you from being the most regarded person
on the list.Personally attacking the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of
others is another one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else
down.Just a thought,no offense.....
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:12 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo
in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra
cables are extra weight, not extra safety.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
Rick,
My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole tangs. You
contradict yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing extra safety
is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in the world
that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good reason for
this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a statement like
yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail bracing wires
would have prevented a crash and almost certain death.
You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly designed
wingtips would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and that it is not
worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and false. If
people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding an extra set
of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making dangerous and
materially false statements that will prevent people that want to make their
make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently complained
about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information here that
could get someone killed...
Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, and wire
failures in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a great idea,
and a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight.
Mike
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Jimmy Hankinson
Age 72 September 26, 2009.
Flying Kolb Firefly since 1999, N6007L.
Flying RC since 1970.
Rocky Ford, Georgia.
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As of this posting I have the following data.
24 responses
eldest age 83 when he quit flying
eldest still flying a Kolb 78
youngest 19 but he sold his
next youngest 23 but not yet flying a Kolb, but he has one awaiting him at home
mean age 55.8
median age 58.5
The most important number that I was hoping to get at is the following:
Approx 58% are younger than 60!
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Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
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62.
Hopefully will be in the air next summer with the Mark IIIX.
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Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
dalewhelan wrote:
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> ===SNIP===
> .....can't hear a side tone when I transmit.
> ===SNIP===
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Dale et al:
Don't know about the rest of the stuff, but the side tone issue happened recently
with a local. The slide switch on the headset had been moved to stereo.
He put it back to mono and worked fine.
Might not be your problem, but worth a look.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Mike
IMHO, Gary's got it really right, in spades.
I agree completely.
Why don't you lighten up? Quit insulting everyone? Try it.
Russ K
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On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:45 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> Mike,
> You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with
> someone".Your usual openers,Only a moron,or only an idiot,keep you
> from being the most regarded person on the list.Personally
> attacking the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of others is
> another one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else
> down.Just a thought,no offense.....
> G.Aman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:12 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware
>
>
>
> aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the
> standard Rogallo
>
> in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just
> fine. Extra
>
> cables are extra weight, not extra safety.
>
> >
>
> > Rick Girard
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
> Rick,
>
>
> My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole
> tangs. You
>
> contradict yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing
> extra safety
>
> is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in
> the world
>
> that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good
> reason for
>
> this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a
> statement like
>
> yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail
> bracing wires
>
> would have prevented a crash and almost certain death.
>
>
> You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly
> designed
>
> wingtips would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and
> that it is not
>
> worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and
> false. If
>
> people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding
> an extra set
>
> of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making
> dangerous and
>
> materially false statements that will prevent people that want to
> make their
>
> make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently
> complained
>
> about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information
> here that
>
> could get someone killed...
>
>
> Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage,
> and wire
>
> failures in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a
> great idea,
>
> and a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> --------
>
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could
>
> have !!!
>
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261231#261231
>
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailbrokenkolb_125.jpg
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Craig,
You did not mention short order chef in your credits.
? G.Aman
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson, Craig <craig.nelson@heraeus.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:32 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
Uncle craig
59
Don't archive
Craig Nelson AAS CDT
Technical Manager
Heraeus
300 Heraeus Way
South Bend, IN.
46614
Direct: 623-764-0680
Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com
P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
Robert,
I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so
far.
Max age 73
Min age 44
Mean age 61.8
Median age 64.5
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Will be 64 8 SEPT 09
Finished my MK3 in 1995
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Why NOT give everyone else a break? I do not read anything you post. You can
call me names until you are blue in the face. I will not waste my time with
you and your bile. When you were making the attempt to be civil I sometimes
took a chance, no more. So, once again, why not give everyone else a break
because they are the only people you offend.
Rick Girard
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
At 06:45 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>Mike,
>You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with
>someone".Your usual openers,Only a moron,or only an idiot,keep you
>from being the most regarded person on the list.Personally attacking
>the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of others is another
>one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else
>down.Just a thought,no offense.....
> G.Aman
>
><<mailto:orcabonita@hotmail.com>orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> Almost every airplane in the world
>
>that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good
>reason for
>
>this.
Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail
different from the start
to have the two sets of tail wires anyway.
It's really not something you could go back & change. Gotta have the
"sleeves" inside the
tubes where the bolts go thru (that are attached to the tangs) before
you rivet the ribs, etc.
Anyway, I was just suggesting a different way to build the wires on
the tail, not so much the tail
itself. It's pretty much standard aircraft stuff. I think the 8 tail
wires cost about $25 each.
Not cheap, but affordable & nice and clean. You couldn't break them
in a Kolb ......or a Pitts.
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Stephen Baxley is 55
_www.southernflyersul.com_ (http://www.southernflyersul.com)
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Just turned The the big 60.
Having the time of my life flying almost every day this week with another
Kolb flyer.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: <loseyf@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Fran Losey...just turned 47
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dana Hague
> Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
>
> At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough
>>response I'll compile and post the results.
>
> 49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17
>
> -Dana
> --
> Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
Possums wrote:
>
>
> Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail different from
the start
> to have the two sets of tail wires anyway.
> .
I thought about taking my tail apart to get the sleeves in, but decided that was
going to take way to much work, might as well build a new tail. For those that
don't like the idea of their tangs breaking as in the picture below, there
is a solution. Given the importance of this subject, I will start a new thread
on it.
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
39
I think Grant would be the youngest currently flying a Kolb unless he sold his
already.
I gave the controls to my 17-year-old son the other day and he did a really good
job. He doesn't show a great interest in flying however.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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chris ambrose 58
houghton Lake Mi
2500hrs + flight hrs
54+ in a kolb
Cristal....you are just a puppy !! lol
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At 10:14 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
> > Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail
> different from the start
> > to have the two sets of tail wires anyway.
> > .
>
>
>I thought about taking my tail apart to get the sleeves in, but
>decided that was going to take way to much work, might as well build
>a new tail.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have done it - if I hadn't had to do a
total rebuild anyway.
The old Firestar was fine the way it was - but it's nice to add all
the little things
you would like to have after you've been in the old one for years. "4
inch wider
cockpit is nice, a 505 dual carb, a 3 blade warp, different wing
tips, VG's, custom wires,
............but I still got my old nose cone & stick & same ribs
(just 8 instead of 5) per
wing. I still miss the good times in my old 447 sometimes. But the
new one is better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXVPO53BHrc
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beauford wrote:
> Miss Cristal:
> One other thing you might consider checking on the carb which is
> running rich is the enrichment or
> "choke" piston. If this little piston is not fully seating due to
> misadjusted cable, crud in
> the seat, or deteriorated rubber seal in the base of the piston, it
> can easily produce the
> symptoms you describe. A small leak in the enrichment circuit can
> produce substantial effects.
>
> Worth what ye paid fer it...
>
> beauford
> FF-076
> Brandon, FL
>
> ---
Beauford, This advice was worth MUCH more than what I paid fer it! Thank you!
I also thank Ronnie Smith at MSLA because as soon as I told him my most recent
symptoms (advancing the throttle and no or very poor response), he mentioned
it seemed to be running too rich for the altitude. He first suggested changing
the idle jet. So I was actually taking my carbs off to see what size jets
I had when I discovered that choke seal on my front carb was totally deteriorated.
See the pics.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, this issue needs
to be brought to everyones attention. I wonder if Jimmy Young knows how
close to death he was on his last flight with a cracked tang ? Fortunately, Jimmy
did a good preflight and caught the problem before it killed him. Kolbs
have a single set of tail brace wires, this was done for easy folding of the tail
but also has the disadvantage of being very dangerous. With a single set
of tail wires, any breakage is most likely to be fatal. Almost all airplanes
built, including ultralight type planes have a dual set of tail brace wires, this
is considered good design and is done for a couple important reasons, the
most important being that if one wire or tang fails the tail will not collapse
and will give the pilot a really good chance of keeping control of his plane
and landing safely.
In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents does not mean
that there is not a large danger. Reports of problems, and many near accidents
is regarded as an accident waiting to happen, and these problems are fixed
before people get killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our
Kolb Tail wires. Over the years, there have been reports of Tail wires coming
loose, or very nearly so, resulting in some very near accidents. Last year,
Rans put out an AD on their tail wire tangs ( See Attachment ) for many reported
cases of cracks and even complete breakages, the same Tangs many of our Kolbs
use. Luckily, Rans aircraft have dual tail brace wires, our Kolbs do not.
I posted on this subject last year, and problems continue. Last week, Jimmy
Young found one of his tangs had broken half way through, and was VERY close to
failing totally, had his last flight been longer, there is a good chance he
would have had a totally uncontrollable, tumbling airplane and would have crashed.
The other problem area that has been cropping up from time to time is that
the removable bolt that holds the tail tangs at the bottom of the rudder has
come loose for various reasons on several occasions. There are several reasons
that this happens, but the important point here is that despite everyones
best efforts, IT HAPPENS... Tail wires also corrode and break over time, it
has happened many times on other aircraft models.
Having followed this problem over the years, last month I finally modified my MK
III Xtra to have dual tail brace wires, something I have wanted to do for a
long time. I attached the wires at the same distance out on the tail as the original
tail wires, and made the bottom attachment totally independent from the
original set of wires so as not to induce any single point that can fail. The
tail tubes on a Kolb have inserts where the tang bolts go through to strengthen
the tail at these attachment points. Not wanting to take my tail completely
apart, I used larger sized tubing and put the sleeves on the outside of the
original tubes. I also used Aircraft structural epoxy so that these doublers
would stay very tightly attached to the tail structure, see pictures. The
result of this modification is that my tail will stay in place and flyable in
the case of any tang, or wire breaking. Several Kolbs on the list have this
modification, and it is a really good idea. Doing this modification and repairing
and patching the fabric after the fact is not beautiful, the doublers do
stick out of the tail tubes a bit, but safety is far more important to me than
having a perfect finish. If you do not want to, or are not capable of doing
this modification to your, you should inspect these tangs per the RANS AD attached,
and keep your tail brace wires in new condition.
As always, modifications to existing designs are purely experimental and can be
deadly if not engineered and constructed correctly. Do not attempt a modification
like this without doing the research, and getting expert help if necessary.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, this issue needs
to be brought to everyones attention. I wonder if Jimmy Young knows how
close to death he was on his last flight with a cracked tang ? Fortunately, Jimmy
did a good preflight and caught the problem before it killed him. Kolbs
have a single set of tail brace wires, this was done for easy folding of the tail
but also has the disadvantage of being very dangerous. With a single set
of tail wires, any breakage is most likely to be fatal. Almost all airplanes
built, including ultralight type planes have a dual set of tail brace wires, this
is considered good design and is done for a couple important reasons, the
most important being that if one wire or tang fails the tail will not collapse
and will give the pilot a really good chance of keeping control of his plane
and landing safely.
In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents does not mean
that there is not a large danger. Reports of problems, and many near accidents
is regarded as an accident waiting to happen, and these problems are fixed
before people get killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our
Kolb Tail wires. Over the years, there have been reports of Tail wires coming
loose, or very nearly so, resulting in some very near accidents. Last year,
Rans put out an AD on their tail wire tangs ( See Attachment ) for many reported
cases of cracks and even complete breakages, the same Tangs many of our Kolbs
use. Luckily, Rans aircraft have dual tail brace wires, our Kolbs do not.
I posted on this subject last year, and problems continue. Last week, Jimmy
Young found one of his tangs had broken half way through, and was VERY close to
failing totally, had his last flight been longer, there is a good chance he
would have had a totally uncontrollable, tumbling airplane and would have crashed.
The other problem area that has been cropping up from time to time is that
the removable bolt that holds the tail tangs at the bottom of the rudder has
come loose for various reasons on several occasions. There are several reasons
that this happens, but the important point here is that despite everyones
best efforts, IT HAPPENS... Tail wires also corrode and break over time, it
has happened many times on other aircraft models.
Having followed this problem over the years, last month I finally modified my MK
III Xtra to have dual tail brace wires, something I have wanted to do for a
long time. I attached the wires at the same distance out on the tail as the original
tail wires, and made the bottom attachment totally independent from the
original set of wires so as not to induce any single point that can fail. The
tail tubes on a Kolb have inserts where the tang bolts go through to strengthen
the tail at these attachment points. Not wanting to take my tail completely
apart, I used larger sized tubing and put the sleeves on the outside of the
original tubes. I also used Aircraft structural epoxy so that these doublers
would stay very tightly attached to the tail structure, see pictures. The
result of this modification is that my tail will stay in place and flyable in
the case of any tang, or wire breaking. Several Kolbs on the list have this
modification, and it is a really good idea. Doing this modification and repairing
and patching the fabric after the fact is not beautiful, the doublers do
stick out of the tail tubes a bit, but safety is far more important to me than
having a perfect finish. If you do not want to, or are not capable of doing
this modification to your, you should inspect these tangs per the RANS AD attached,
and keep your tail brace wires in new condition.
As always, modifications to existing designs are purely experimental and can be
deadly if not engineered and constructed correctly. Do not attempt a modification
like this without doing the research, and getting expert help if necessary.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Tail wheel support and brace |
Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel post and brace.
It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar on the tail
boom. I should of paid more attention.
On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check the neighbors
cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were bogged in any
of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time and gives me an
excuse to go fly.
As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel assembly was
wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel collar
was broken and the tail post was broken where it was connected to the
collar on the tube.
I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on dirt, not grass,
Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail wheel are
right in front of the hanger.
I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side braces that
John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would suggest that
you make it a priority, because it is a pain to repair, but really easy
to prevent.
I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the problem is
the fabric repair.
These two little braces are easy to make and install, the repair is a
pain in the butt.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
I posted to the Google listing, but I am soon to be 65, started in 1997,
Sport pilot lic.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: Thom Riddle
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
As of this posting I have the following data.
24 responses
eldest age 83 when he quit flying
eldest still flying a Kolb 78
youngest 19 but he sold his
next youngest 23 but not yet flying a Kolb, but he has one awaiting
him at home
mean age 55.8
median age 58.5
The most important number that I was hoping to get at is the
following:
Approx 58% are younger than 60!
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
At 11:15 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
>Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers,
>this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention.-snip-
>
>In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents
>does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of
>problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting
>to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get
>killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires.
I would defer to Dennis as the ultimate authority on any of the
changes the we "think" might improve the original structural design.
If you change/strengthen one thing - you weaken another. You just
move the problem to another area. I only know
of one person who was willing to tear the wings off of a Kolb in
flight - on purpose (not with sandbags on the ground) and
trust a chute to carry him down. This was done to find the weak link
in the design. The "weak link" was fixed years ago and
by weak - I mean more G's than you might ever do..
Most of the stuff I have done is cosmetic or just for looks/comfort.
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