---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/03/09: 61 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (Jimmy Young) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (Richard Girard) 4. 05:49 AM - Re: aging Kolbers (william sullivan) 5. 05:49 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Michael Sharp) 6. 05:54 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle) 7. 06:01 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Jim Kmet) 8. 06:14 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Robert Laird) 9. 06:14 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (robert bean) 10. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: aging Kolbers (frank.goodnight) 11. 06:56 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Jack B. Hart) 12. 07:16 AM - Cargo Trailer (Steve Simmons) 13. 07:22 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Robert Laird) 14. 07:36 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Richard Girard) 15. 07:39 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle) 16. 09:13 AM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (JetPilot) 17. 09:25 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Mike Welch) 18. 09:25 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (George Thompson) 19. 09:37 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (dalewhelan) 20. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Nelson, Craig) 21. 09:42 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (George Thompson) 22. 09:42 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Mike Welch) 23. 09:46 AM - Re: Wingtips (JetPilot) 24. 10:00 AM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (planecrazzzy) 25. 10:08 AM - Re: New Kolb Group , free site (planecrazzzy) 26. 10:10 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (pj.ladd) 27. 10:10 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Dana Hague) 28. 10:11 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Arksey@aol.com) 29. 10:53 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (loseyf@comcast.net) 30. 11:24 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle) 31. 11:39 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Mike Welch) 32. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (daniel myers) 33. 11:51 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle) 34. 11:57 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (henry.voris) 35. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (daniel myers) 36. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (daniel myers) 37. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (George Thompson) 38. 03:11 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Denny Rowe) 39. 03:32 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (zeprep251@aol.com) 40. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (zeprep251@aol.com) 41. 04:16 PM - Age (Jmmy Hankinson) 42. 04:37 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle) 43. 04:41 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Rex Rodebush) 44. 05:15 PM - Re: icom radio trouble (George Alexander) 45. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (russ kinne) 46. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (zeprep251@aol.com) 47. 05:49 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (R Harris) 48. 05:49 PM - Dear JP (Richard Girard) 49. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (possums) 50. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Flycrazy8@aol.com) 51. 07:10 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 52. 07:14 PM - Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (JetPilot) 53. 07:18 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (cristalclear13) 54. 07:31 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (ces308) 55. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware (possums) 56. 07:43 PM - Re: EGT quirk (cristalclear13) 57. 08:16 PM - Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (JetPilot) 58. 08:16 PM - Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (JetPilot) 59. 09:01 PM - Tail wheel support and brace (Larry Cottrell) 60. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Larry Cottrell) 61. 09:21 PM - Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers From: "Thom Riddle" Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results. I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware From: "Jimmy Young" Possums writes: > I had all my cables swaged this way ( elevator, rudder and tail wires) by a guy near Aircraft Spruce in Griffin Ga. He supplies the cables and fittings. done with a rotary swaging tool Possums, I like the added safety factor of your dual-bracing set up. Could you please take a close up pic of the cable ends on both the fork and turnbuckle sides and post it? Thanks - -------- Jimmy Young FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261172#261172 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware From: Richard Girard 35 years of flying cable braced aircraft and I've never put a turnbuckle in a structural cable. Cheapest turnbuckle cost then, $0. No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra cables are extra weight, not extra safety. My 2 cents, ya'll do what you choose, it's your experiment. Rick Girard do not archive On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: > > Possums writes: > > > > I had all my cables swaged this way ( elevator, rudder and tail wires) by > a guy near Aircraft Spruce in Griffin Ga. He supplies the cables and > fittings. done with a rotary swaging tool > > > Possums, > > I like the added safety factor of your dual-bracing set up. Could you > please take a close up pic of the cable ends on both the fork and turnbuckle > sides and post it? > > Thanks - > > -------- > Jimmy Young > FS II, HKS 700 > N7043P > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261172#261172 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:04 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: aging Kolbers - Age 59, turning 60 on September 9th.- A good survey item, indicating the future of the sport. - ------------------------- -------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- -------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- -------------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:51 AM PST US From: Michael Sharp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Thom,=0A=0AI'm 44.- =0A=0ANot sure if I'm one to replace any aging Kolber s or not, but i hope to be flying for a very long time.. =0A-=0Ado not ar chive=0A-=0AMike=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: T hom Riddle =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thurs day, September 3, 2009 6:14:10 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A nce this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful informati on and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curi ous to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please res pond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results. =0A=0AI am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0A Jabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 66x34=0A=0AA complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.=0A- - John Gaule=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums. -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks. Keep them coming. FWIW, William, my daughter's birthday is same as yours (different year though :-). Mine is Halloween...Booo! do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261182#261182 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:26 AM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Jim Kmet, 50 Cookeville, TN 912-Mk3C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:14 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers > > Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful > information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long > time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers > coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't > mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll > compile and post the results. > > I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a > simple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers From: Robert Laird You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free technology around! I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports. http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA.. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful > information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, > I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming > along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, > please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and > post the results. > > I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a > simple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:47 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers 68 BB On 3, Sep 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful > information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very > long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of > youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster > Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If > this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results. > > I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved > from a simple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:25 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aging Kolbers Age 69 Frank Goodnight Firestar2 Brownsville, TX On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21 AM, william sullivan wrote: > Age 59, turning 60 on September 9th. A good survey item, > indicating the future of the sport. > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > FS 447 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:10 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers 73 I really didn't start serious flying until flying until I was 63. I thought I was on the old side and I worry that not many young people are taking up the sport. But may be and old retired man's sport. Then every once in a while I hear a little half VW going over head pulling a Hummel Bird. The fellow flying it is 91 and so I think I may have a few years yet to fly. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:26 AM PST US From: "Steve Simmons" Subject: Kolb-List: Cargo Trailer Does anyone close to East TN have an enclosed cargo trailer that will fit a Kolb Mark 3 Classic, that is roadworthy and could be rented for a week. Thanks Steve Simmons 423-748-4336. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers From: Robert Laird The form has 7 responses so far: 16-2000%21-2900%30-3900%40-4500%46-5000%51-55114%56-59229%60-65229%66-70229% 71-7500%76-8000%81-8500%86-9000%91-9500%96-10000% ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers From: Richard Girard Sputnik will be 52 on October 4th, I'll be 58. Time flies, but then so do I. Rick Girard do not archive On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > 73 > > I really didn't start serious flying until flying until I was 63. I > thought > I was on the old side and I worry that not many young people are taking up > the sport. But may be and old retired man's sport. Then every once in a > while I hear a little half VW going over head pulling a Hummel Bird. The > fellow flying it is 91 and so I think I may have a few years yet to > fly. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:34 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Thom Riddle" Robert, I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so far. Max age 73 Min age 44 Mean age 61.8 Median age 64.5 -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261213#261213 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware From: "JetPilot" aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra cables are extra weight, not extra safety. > > Rick Girard > > Rick, My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole tangs. You contradict yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing extra safety is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in the world that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good reason for this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a statement like yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail bracing wires would have prevented a crash and almost certain death. You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly designed wingtips would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and that it is not worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and false. If people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding an extra set of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making dangerous and materially false statements that will prevent people that want to make their make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently complained about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information here that could get someone killed... Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, and wire failures in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a great idea, and a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261231#261231 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailbrokenkolb_125.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:15 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Michael (Sharp)!! Heck=2C I thought you were older than that! Besides=2C I heard you were getting a boat! No?? Are you sure? I could'a swore I heard you were getting a little dingey!! hehe LOL Mike Welch From: kolbdriver@mlsharp.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Thom=2C I'm 44. Not sure if I'm one to replace any aging Kolbers or not=2C but i hope to be flying for a very long time.. do not archive Mike From: Thom Riddle Sent: Thursday=2C September 3=2C 2009 6:14:10 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful informa tion and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time=2C I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming alon g to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So=2C if you don't mind=2C pl ease respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and p ost the results. I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo=2C NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simp le system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:17 AM PST US From: George Thompson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: robert bean =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:02:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A--> Kolb-Li st message posted by: robert bean =0A=0A68=0ABB=0A =0AOn 3, Sep 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mess age posted by: "Thom Riddle" =0A> =0A> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd lik e very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually rep lace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.=0A> =0A> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Thom Riddle=0A> Buffalo, NY=0A> Kolb Slingshot SS-021=0A > Jabiru 2200A #1574=0A> Tennessee Prop 66x34=0A> =0A> A complex system tha t works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works .=0A>- - John Gaule=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170=0A> - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "dalewhelan" I am 45 FSII My buddy Greg is 45 FS tricycle My buddy Chuck is 60 FSII -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261241#261241 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Nelson, Craig" Uncle craig 59 Don't archive Craig Nelson AAS CDT Technical Manager Heraeus 300 Heraeus Way South Bend, IN. 46614 Direct: 623-764-0680 Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers Robert, I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so far. Max age 73 Min age 44 Mean age 61.8 Median age 64.5 -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261213#261213 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:41 AM PST US From: George Thompson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers --- Would you like to add me? I built and flew Kolbs, a Firestar and a Firestar II until I was 82.=0A--- The Old Az. Bald Eagle=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: robert bean =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6 :02:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A--> Kolb-List messag e posted by: robert bean =0A=0A68=0ABB=0A=0AOn 3, Se p 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" =0A> =0A> Since this forum has been s uch a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If th is gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.=0A> =0A> I am on ly 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.=0A> =0A> ------ --=0A> Thom Riddle=0A> Buffalo, NY=0A> Kolb Slingshot SS-021=0A> Jabiru 220 0A #1574=0A> Tennessee Prop 66x34=0A> =0A> A complex system that works is i nvariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.=0A>- - J ohn Gaule=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> htt p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =========================0A =========================0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:51 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Mike Welch=2C 56=2C starting to fly in 1996. Got my private pilot's licens e on Christmas eve=2C '96. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips From: "JetPilot" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > . > > Challenger did the same thing just > before I sold mine. I would like to know how much was increased effeciency > and how much was cosmetic. I reckon its like spoilers on cars. Useful on > racing cars but a dead loss on a normal vehicle. They look nice but don`t > achieve anything but no one will admit it and take them off. > > Cheers > > Pat Properly designed wingtips are not anything like Spoilers on Cars. Almost every airplane in production today has properly designed wingtips on them, how do you compare that to a few sports cars with spoilers ??? This is not even close to valid comparison. You ask about the Challenger, and yet we just got a report on that... smlplanet(at)msn.com wrote: > > > drooped win tips on myChallenger11 CWS and it made a world of differance and have been thinking about installing them on the Mk 111 also. > > Ross R > How did you ignore this report on the improved wingtips on a Challenger just a few post back ? Just the same way you have ignored the mountains of evidence that show the benefit of properly designed wingtips on GA and LSA airplanes. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261248#261248 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:11 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware From: "planecrazzzy" .. .. The Turnbarrels I bought weren't for my Kolb, They were for the cross bracing cables in the Wings of my Wittman Buttercup Attached to the Compression strut in the Middle and crossing to the root end and to the wing tips... . My cables on my Kolb are Swagged... Only turnbuckles are on my Rudder cables and Elevator... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN Kolb list- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/ .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261251#261251 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cables_08_swaggs_finished_865.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/mounting_wings_01_462.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cables_06_735.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Kolb Group , free site From: "planecrazzzy" That's funny.... .. .. Oooo .. Oooo , I'm not going ?!?! .. .. HA ! .. .. No Ice Cream for you ! .. .. Gotta Fly... Kolb List... Because "He's Back... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/ .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261253#261253 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:11 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers <> Get your knees brown, Mike. First flew June 1964. 80 last Monday. Haven`t flown for 3 weeks Wx has been terrible and the winds today are 50/60 mph. Heigh Ho Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:29 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote: >So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough >response I'll compile and post the results. 49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17 -Dana -- Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:55 AM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers I am 78 years old and fly the firestar ever chance I get. I would say I am aging... do not archive JIM SWAN firestar ll, 503, N663S Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827 PH 517-663-8488 runway 2300' E & W (42-28.58N 084-44.69 W ) ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers From: loseyf@comcast.net Fran Losey...just turned 47 ------Original Message------ From: Dana Hague Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote: >So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough >response I'll compile and post the results. 49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17 -Dana -- Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Thom Riddle" So far, Jim Swan is the oldest respondent at 78 and Michael Sharp is the youngest respondent at 44. Looks like we have a good number of Kolbers under 60, 11 of 17 respondents so far, which is a good omen for List Longevity. I'm pleased to see this. Keep 'em coming. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261269#261269 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:25 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Oye' Mate!! Pat=2C I'm sure everyone has a diverse and interesting story how they man aged to become a pilot. In my case=2C I spent the biggest part of my life being what I call a "fence hanger". You know=2C a fence hanger=2C one of those guys that drop by an airport =2C and hang onto the fence=2C watching everyone else fly....or stare at al l the airplanes from OUTSIDE the fence!! I have been absolutely facinated with flying my whole life. Technically =2C I started pilot's training in 1979=2C but the economy ($$) kept me from finishing. I picked up training a couple of times after that=2C but never really finished. But=2C in 1996=2C I made a full commitment to get my PPL =2C and also to buy a Cessna 172. I got both in 1996=2C my private license and Cessna 8187X. Ah=2C memories. Mike Welch MkIII Do not archive From: pj.ladd@btinternet.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers <> Get your knees brown=2C Mike. First flew June 1964. 80 last Monday. Haven`t flown for 3 weeks Wx has be en terrible and the winds today are 50/60 mph. Heigh Ho Cheers Pat _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:31 AM PST US From: daniel myers Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers If I hadn't just sold my Kolb=2C I would be the youngest at 19? DAMN! > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers > From: riddletr@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 11:24:20 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > So far=2C Jim Swan is the oldest respondent at 78 and Michael Sharp is th e youngest respondent at 44. Looks like we have a good number of Kolbers un der 60=2C 11 of 17 respondents so far=2C which is a good omen for List Long evity. I'm pleased to see this. Keep 'em coming. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo=2C NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a si mple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261269#261269 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYC B_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Thom Riddle" h20maule, Are you lamenting selling your Kolb or being so young? or perhaps both? Trust me, you probably won't be 19 forever. I just turned 19 one week before I passed my Private ASEL check-ride.... 1966. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261278#261278 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "henry.voris" 61... 62 NEXT MONTH 10/17/47... -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261279#261279 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:18 PM PST US From: daniel myers Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers Just the 19 part! I hated to see my Firestar go...it was on full lotus floa ts and I had a BLAST with it. It certainly won't be my last Kolb. I just b ought a SeaRey and flew it home from Illinois. I hope to get another FSII o r M3X in the future...on Full Lotus of course...Daniel > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers > From: riddletr@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 11:50:58 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > h20maule=2C > > Are you lamenting selling your Kolb or being so young? or perhaps both? > > Trust me=2C you probably won't be 19 forever. I just turned 19 one week b efore I passed my Private ASEL check-ride.... 1966. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo=2C NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a si mple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261278#261278 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:13 PM PST US From: daniel myers Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers Sorry=2C Thom. I meant I was lamenting about selling the Kolb...not about b eing 19 > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers > From: riddletr@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 11:50:58 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > h20maule=2C > > Are you lamenting selling your Kolb or being so young? or perhaps both? > > Trust me=2C you probably won't be 19 forever. I just turned 19 one week b efore I passed my Private ASEL check-ride.... 1966. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo=2C NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a si mple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261278#261278 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYC B_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:59 PM PST US From: George Thompson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers I didn't quit flying my Kolbs untill I was 83.=0A--- The Old ex Az Ba ld Eagle=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thom Riddle =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, Septembe r 3, 2009 11:24:20 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A--> Kolb -List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" =0A=0ASo far, Ji m Swan is the oldest respondent at 78 and Michael Sharp is the youngest res pondent at 44. Looks like we have a good number of Kolbers under 60, 11 of 17 respondents so far, which is a good omen for List Longevity. I'm pleased to see this. Keep 'em coming.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0AThom Rid dle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 66x34=0A=0AA complex system that works is invariably found to have evo lved from a simple system that works.=0A- - John Gaule=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A =========================0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:37 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers 42, Started flying Pterodactyls at 15 in 1982 and finally got my private ticket in 1994 I think it was. Doing more child raising than flying lately but thats just fine with me. Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Loehle Sport Parasol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers > > Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful > information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long > time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers > coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't > mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll > compile and post the results. > > I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 66x34 > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a > simple system that works. > - John Gaule > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:50:00 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers From: zeprep251@aol.com Thom, G.Aman 71yrs pvt ticket in 1954 -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:14 am Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results. I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware From: zeprep251@aol.com Mike, You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with someone".Your usual openers,Only a moron,or only an idiot,keep you from being the most regarded person on the list.Personally attacking the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of others is another one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else down.Just a thought,no offense..... ? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: JetPilot Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:12 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra cables are extra weight, not extra safety. > > Rick Girard > > Rick, My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole tangs. You contradict yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing extra safety is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in the world that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good reason for this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a statement like yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail bracing wires would have prevented a crash and almost certain death. You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly designed wingtips would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and that it is not worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and false. If people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding an extra set of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making dangerous and materially false statements that will prevent people that want to make their make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently complained about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information here that could get someone killed... Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, and wire failures in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a great idea, and a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261231#261231 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailbrokenkolb_125.jpg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:37 PM PST US From: "Jmmy Hankinson" Subject: Kolb-List: Age Jimmy Hankinson Age 72 September 26, 2009. Flying Kolb Firefly since 1999, N6007L. Flying RC since 1970. Rocky Ford, Georgia. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Thom Riddle" As of this posting I have the following data. 24 responses eldest age 83 when he quit flying eldest still flying a Kolb 78 youngest 19 but he sold his next youngest 23 but not yet flying a Kolb, but he has one awaiting him at home mean age 55.8 median age 58.5 The most important number that I was hoping to get at is the following: Approx 58% are younger than 60! -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261322#261322 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "Rex Rodebush" 62. Hopefully will be in the air next summer with the Mark IIIX. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261323#261323 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: icom radio trouble From: "George Alexander" dalewhelan wrote: > > ===SNIP=== > .....can't hear a side tone when I transmit. > ===SNIP=== > Dale et al: Don't know about the rest of the stuff, but the side tone issue happened recently with a local. The slide switch on the headset had been moved to stereo. He put it back to mono and worked fine. Might not be your problem, but worth a look. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261328#261328 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:24 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware Mike IMHO, Gary's got it really right, in spades. I agree completely. Why don't you lighten up? Quit insulting everyone? Try it. Russ K do not archive On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:45 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote: > Mike, > You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with > someone".Your usual openers,Only a moron,or only an idiot,keep you > from being the most regarded person on the list.Personally > attacking the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of others is > another one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else > down.Just a thought,no offense..... > G.Aman > > -----Original Message----- > From: JetPilot > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:12 pm > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware > > > > aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the > standard Rogallo > > in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just > fine. Extra > > cables are extra weight, not extra safety. > > > > > > Rick Girard > > > > > > > > > Rick, > > > My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole > tangs. You > > contradict yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing > extra safety > > is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in > the world > > that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good > reason for > > this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a > statement like > > yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail > bracing wires > > would have prevented a crash and almost certain death. > > > You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly > designed > > wingtips would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and > that it is not > > worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and > false. If > > people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding > an extra set > > of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making > dangerous and > > materially false statements that will prevent people that want to > make their > > make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently > complained > > about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information > here that > > could get someone killed... > > > Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, > and wire > > failures in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a > great idea, > > and a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight. > > > Mike > > > -------- > > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could > > have !!! > > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261231#261231 > > > Attachments: > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailbrokenkolb_125.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: zeprep251@aol.com Craig, You did not mention short order chef in your credits. ? G.Aman do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Nelson, Craig Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:32 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers Uncle craig 59 Don't archive Craig Nelson AAS CDT Technical Manager Heraeus 300 Heraeus Way South Bend, IN. 46614 Direct: 623-764-0680 Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers Robert, I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so far. Max age 73 Min age 44 Mean age 61.8 Median age 64.5 -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261213#261213 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "R Harris" Will be 64 8 SEPT 09 Finished my MK3 in 1995 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261333#261333 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Dear JP From: Richard Girard Why NOT give everyone else a break? I do not read anything you post. You can call me names until you are blue in the face. I will not waste my time with you and your bile. When you were making the attempt to be civil I sometimes took a chance, no more. So, once again, why not give everyone else a break because they are the only people you offend. Rick Girard do not archive ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:20 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware At 06:45 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote: >Mike, >You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with >someone".Your usual openers,Only a moron,or only an idiot,keep you >from being the most regarded person on the list.Personally attacking >the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of others is another >one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else >down.Just a thought,no offense..... > G.Aman > ><orcabonita@hotmail.com> > Almost every airplane in the world > >that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good >reason for > >this. Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail different from the start to have the two sets of tail wires anyway. It's really not something you could go back & change. Gotta have the "sleeves" inside the tubes where the bolts go thru (that are attached to the tangs) before you rivet the ribs, etc. Anyway, I was just suggesting a different way to build the wires on the tail, not so much the tail itself. It's pretty much standard aircraft stuff. I think the 8 tail wires cost about $25 each. Not cheap, but affordable & nice and clean. You couldn't break them in a Kolb ......or a Pitts. ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:29 PM PST US From: Flycrazy8@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers Stephen Baxley is 55 _www.southernflyersul.com_ (http://www.southernflyersul.com) ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:08 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers Just turned The the big 60. Having the time of my life flying almost every day this week with another Kolb flyer. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers > > Fran Losey...just turned 47 > ------Original Message------ > From: Dana Hague > Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers > > > At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote: >>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough >>response I'll compile and post the results. > > 49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17 > > -Dana > -- > Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity. > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware From: "JetPilot" Possums wrote: > > > Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail different from the start > to have the two sets of tail wires anyway. > . I thought about taking my tail apart to get the sleeves in, but decided that was going to take way to much work, might as well build a new tail. For those that don't like the idea of their tangs breaking as in the picture below, there is a solution. Given the importance of this subject, I will start a new thread on it. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261341#261341 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "cristalclear13" 39 I think Grant would be the youngest currently flying a Kolb unless he sold his already. I gave the controls to my 17-year-old son the other day and he did a really good job. He doesn't show a great interest in flying however. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261344#261344 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers From: "ces308" chris ambrose 58 houghton Lake Mi 2500hrs + flight hrs 54+ in a kolb Cristal....you are just a puppy !! lol Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261346#261346 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:01 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware At 10:14 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote: > > > Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail > different from the start > > to have the two sets of tail wires anyway. > > . > > >I thought about taking my tail apart to get the sleeves in, but >decided that was going to take way to much work, might as well build >a new tail. > >Mike > >-------- I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have done it - if I hadn't had to do a total rebuild anyway. The old Firestar was fine the way it was - but it's nice to add all the little things you would like to have after you've been in the old one for years. "4 inch wider cockpit is nice, a 505 dual carb, a 3 blade warp, different wing tips, VG's, custom wires, ............but I still got my old nose cone & stick & same ribs (just 8 instead of 5) per wing. I still miss the good times in my old 447 sometimes. But the new one is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXVPO53BHrc ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: EGT quirk From: "cristalclear13" beauford wrote: > Miss Cristal: > One other thing you might consider checking on the carb which is > running rich is the enrichment or > "choke" piston. If this little piston is not fully seating due to > misadjusted cable, crud in > the seat, or deteriorated rubber seal in the base of the piston, it > can easily produce the > symptoms you describe. A small leak in the enrichment circuit can > produce substantial effects. > > Worth what ye paid fer it... > > beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > > --- Beauford, This advice was worth MUCH more than what I paid fer it! Thank you! I also thank Ronnie Smith at MSLA because as soon as I told him my most recent symptoms (advancing the throttle and no or very poor response), he mentioned it seemed to be running too rich for the altitude. He first suggested changing the idle jet. So I was actually taking my carbs off to see what size jets I had when I discovered that choke seal on my front carb was totally deteriorated. See the pics. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261347#261347 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/deteriorated_choke_seal3_447.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/deteriorated_choke_seal1_538.jpg ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue From: "JetPilot" Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention. I wonder if Jimmy Young knows how close to death he was on his last flight with a cracked tang ? Fortunately, Jimmy did a good preflight and caught the problem before it killed him. Kolbs have a single set of tail brace wires, this was done for easy folding of the tail but also has the disadvantage of being very dangerous. With a single set of tail wires, any breakage is most likely to be fatal. Almost all airplanes built, including ultralight type planes have a dual set of tail brace wires, this is considered good design and is done for a couple important reasons, the most important being that if one wire or tang fails the tail will not collapse and will give the pilot a really good chance of keeping control of his plane and landing safely. In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires. Over the years, there have been reports of Tail wires coming loose, or very nearly so, resulting in some very near accidents. Last year, Rans put out an AD on their tail wire tangs ( See Attachment ) for many reported cases of cracks and even complete breakages, the same Tangs many of our Kolbs use. Luckily, Rans aircraft have dual tail brace wires, our Kolbs do not. I posted on this subject last year, and problems continue. Last week, Jimmy Young found one of his tangs had broken half way through, and was VERY close to failing totally, had his last flight been longer, there is a good chance he would have had a totally uncontrollable, tumbling airplane and would have crashed. The other problem area that has been cropping up from time to time is that the removable bolt that holds the tail tangs at the bottom of the rudder has come loose for various reasons on several occasions. There are several reasons that this happens, but the important point here is that despite everyones best efforts, IT HAPPENS... Tail wires also corrode and break over time, it has happened many times on other aircraft models. Having followed this problem over the years, last month I finally modified my MK III Xtra to have dual tail brace wires, something I have wanted to do for a long time. I attached the wires at the same distance out on the tail as the original tail wires, and made the bottom attachment totally independent from the original set of wires so as not to induce any single point that can fail. The tail tubes on a Kolb have inserts where the tang bolts go through to strengthen the tail at these attachment points. Not wanting to take my tail completely apart, I used larger sized tubing and put the sleeves on the outside of the original tubes. I also used Aircraft structural epoxy so that these doublers would stay very tightly attached to the tail structure, see pictures. The result of this modification is that my tail will stay in place and flyable in the case of any tang, or wire breaking. Several Kolbs on the list have this modification, and it is a really good idea. Doing this modification and repairing and patching the fabric after the fact is not beautiful, the doublers do stick out of the tail tubes a bit, but safety is far more important to me than having a perfect finish. If you do not want to, or are not capable of doing this modification to your, you should inspect these tangs per the RANS AD attached, and keep your tail brace wires in new condition. As always, modifications to existing designs are purely experimental and can be deadly if not engineered and constructed correctly. Do not attempt a modification like this without doing the research, and getting expert help if necessary. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261351#261351 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailwiread_167.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition08_01_2009_14_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition08_01_2009_03_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition07_26_2009_68_126.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition07_26_2009_62_331.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailwirebrokenkolb09_2009_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue From: "JetPilot" Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention. I wonder if Jimmy Young knows how close to death he was on his last flight with a cracked tang ? Fortunately, Jimmy did a good preflight and caught the problem before it killed him. Kolbs have a single set of tail brace wires, this was done for easy folding of the tail but also has the disadvantage of being very dangerous. With a single set of tail wires, any breakage is most likely to be fatal. Almost all airplanes built, including ultralight type planes have a dual set of tail brace wires, this is considered good design and is done for a couple important reasons, the most important being that if one wire or tang fails the tail will not collapse and will give the pilot a really good chance of keeping control of his plane and landing safely. In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires. Over the years, there have been reports of Tail wires coming loose, or very nearly so, resulting in some very near accidents. Last year, Rans put out an AD on their tail wire tangs ( See Attachment ) for many reported cases of cracks and even complete breakages, the same Tangs many of our Kolbs use. Luckily, Rans aircraft have dual tail brace wires, our Kolbs do not. I posted on this subject last year, and problems continue. Last week, Jimmy Young found one of his tangs had broken half way through, and was VERY close to failing totally, had his last flight been longer, there is a good chance he would have had a totally uncontrollable, tumbling airplane and would have crashed. The other problem area that has been cropping up from time to time is that the removable bolt that holds the tail tangs at the bottom of the rudder has come loose for various reasons on several occasions. There are several reasons that this happens, but the important point here is that despite everyones best efforts, IT HAPPENS... Tail wires also corrode and break over time, it has happened many times on other aircraft models. Having followed this problem over the years, last month I finally modified my MK III Xtra to have dual tail brace wires, something I have wanted to do for a long time. I attached the wires at the same distance out on the tail as the original tail wires, and made the bottom attachment totally independent from the original set of wires so as not to induce any single point that can fail. The tail tubes on a Kolb have inserts where the tang bolts go through to strengthen the tail at these attachment points. Not wanting to take my tail completely apart, I used larger sized tubing and put the sleeves on the outside of the original tubes. I also used Aircraft structural epoxy so that these doublers would stay very tightly attached to the tail structure, see pictures. The result of this modification is that my tail will stay in place and flyable in the case of any tang, or wire breaking. Several Kolbs on the list have this modification, and it is a really good idea. Doing this modification and repairing and patching the fabric after the fact is not beautiful, the doublers do stick out of the tail tubes a bit, but safety is far more important to me than having a perfect finish. If you do not want to, or are not capable of doing this modification to your, you should inspect these tangs per the RANS AD attached, and keep your tail brace wires in new condition. As always, modifications to existing designs are purely experimental and can be deadly if not engineered and constructed correctly. Do not attempt a modification like this without doing the research, and getting expert help if necessary. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261350#261350 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailwiread_167.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition08_01_2009_14_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition08_01_2009_03_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition07_26_2009_68_126.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailtailwireaddition07_26_2009_62_331.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailwirebrokenkolb09_2009_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:37 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Tail wheel support and brace Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel post and brace. It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar on the tail boom. I should of paid more attention. On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check the neighbors cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were bogged in any of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time and gives me an excuse to go fly. As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel assembly was wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel collar was broken and the tail post was broken where it was connected to the collar on the tube. I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on dirt, not grass, Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail wheel are right in front of the hanger. I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side braces that John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would suggest that you make it a priority, because it is a pain to repair, but really easy to prevent. I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the problem is the fabric repair. These two little braces are easy to make and install, the repair is a pain in the butt. Larry ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:28 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers I posted to the Google listing, but I am soon to be 65, started in 1997, Sport pilot lic. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: Thom Riddle To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers As of this posting I have the following data. 24 responses eldest age 83 when he quit flying eldest still flying a Kolb 78 youngest 19 but he sold his next youngest 23 but not yet flying a Kolb, but he has one awaiting him at home mean age 55.8 median age 58.5 The most important number that I was hoping to get at is the following: Approx 58% are younger than 60! -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 66x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261322#261322 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/03/09 18:05:00 ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:15 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue At 11:15 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote: > >Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, >this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention.-snip- > >In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents >does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of >problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting >to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get >killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires. I would defer to Dennis as the ultimate authority on any of the changes the we "think" might improve the original structural design. If you change/strengthen one thing - you weaken another. You just move the problem to another area. I only know of one person who was willing to tear the wings off of a Kolb in flight - on purpose (not with sandbags on the ground) and trust a chute to carry him down. This was done to find the weak link in the design. The "weak link" was fixed years ago and by weak - I mean more G's than you might ever do.. 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