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1. 02:23 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Tony Oldman)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (Denny Rowe)
4. 03:58 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (icrashrc)
5. 04:29 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Thom Riddle)
6. 04:51 AM - Re: Tail wheel support and brace (william sullivan)
7. 05:25 AM - Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (Dennis Souder)
8. 05:28 AM - spreadsheet (dsmald@aol.com)
9. 05:32 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (geoffthis)
10. 06:13 AM - Aging Kolbers (Lanny Fetterman)
11. 06:16 AM - Re: Tail wheel support and brace (zeprep251@aol.com)
12. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Richard Girard)
13. 06:25 AM - Re: Tail wheel support and brace (robert bean)
14. 07:03 AM - Re: spreadsheet (Robert Laird)
15. 07:17 AM - Re: Tail wheel support and brace (Larry Cottrell)
16. 07:35 AM - flying (russ kinne)
17. 07:38 AM - Aging Kolbers (Lloyd McFarlane)
18. 08:09 AM - Old Kolbers (John Brooks)
19. 08:29 AM - Old Pilots (Terry Davis)
20. 08:46 AM - Re: Tail wheel support and brace (JetPilot)
21. 09:09 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Jody Morgan)
22. 09:09 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL)
23. 09:09 AM - old pilots (JAMES BEARD)
24. 09:17 AM - Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (JetPilot)
25. 09:22 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Dennis Souder)
26. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Aging Kolbers (Clyde MacQuarrie)
27. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue (Larry Cottrell)
28. 09:54 AM - Re: flying (robert bean)
29. 10:12 AM - breakfast flight (zeprep251@aol.com)
30. 10:13 AM - neat restaraunt (zeprep251@aol.com)
31. 10:27 AM - Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey (Eugene Zimmerman)
32. 10:43 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Beauford T)
33. 11:06 AM - Re: neat restaraunt (cristalclear13)
34. 11:13 AM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Gene Ledbetter)
35. 11:54 AM - Winching a Kolb (Lanny Fetterman)
36. 12:16 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (GARY JINDRA)
37. 12:25 PM - Re: Winching a Kolb (Gene Ledbetter)
38. 12:49 PM - Re: Winching a Kolb (George Alexander)
39. 12:54 PM - The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Robert Laird)
40. 01:10 PM - How old? (HShack@aol.com)
41. 02:12 PM - Winching a Kolb (Lanny Fetterman)
42. 02:49 PM - Tail shaking (Jim Kmet)
43. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: neat restaraunt (zeprep251@aol.com)
44. 02:54 PM - Re: Dear JP (Kolbdriver)
45. 03:19 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (gliderx5@comcast.net)
46. 03:48 PM - Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Eddie)
47. 03:53 PM - Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Robert Laird)
48. 04:17 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers ()
49. 04:17 PM - Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Robert Laird)
50. 04:23 PM - Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Beauford T)
51. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Tail wheel support and brace (John Hauck)
52. 05:03 PM - Re: Aging Kolbers (Dave Kulp)
53. 05:18 PM - Third Impressions (HGRAFF@aol.com)
54. 05:50 PM - Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Jmmy Hankinson)
55. 06:41 PM - Re: Tail shaking (robert bean)
56. 06:56 PM - Re: Tail shaking (planecrazzzy)
57. 07:00 PM - Re: Tail shaking (daniel myers)
58. 07:37 PM - Good chance you can't help but join in! (HGRAFF@aol.com)
59. 08:44 PM - Re: Tail shaking (JetPilot)
60. 09:01 PM - Re: Tail wheel support and brace (JetPilot)
61. 09:42 PM - Re: Good chance you can't help but join in! (robert bean)
62. 10:39 PM - Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) (Robert Laird)
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
A young 55
Tony
Downunder
MK111C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long
> time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers
> coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't
> mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll
> compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
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> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Wow! Eight more added their ages since my last compilation.
As of now...
32 responders
5 at 70 and older
9 in 60s
8 in 50s
7 in 40s
3 younger than 40
~ 56% are under 60
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Mike B,
Seems like you have a lot of slack in your tailwheel springs and chains, am
I seeing that correctly?
If so I would think your ground handling might not be as good as it could
be.
Dennis Rowe, PA, Mk-3
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Oops! I went back over the posts and apparently I missed some responses.
Current data
36 responders
8 @ 70 up
9 in 60s
8 in 50s
8 in 40s
3 under 40
Mean 57.7
Median 59
Max 83
Min 19
~ 53% under 60
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
- Larry- Did you make the tubes out of steel, or aluminum?
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Subject: | Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Everyone,
I really hope, for all your sakes, that I am not the ultimate authority on
this as I have been out of the loop on this stuff for about 10 years - but I
can perhaps add a little bit of perspective. The information exchange here
is awesome and I have learned something I did not know and that was the
breaking of the 4-hole tangs on the Rans.
But, the fact is that adding a turnbuckle does change the dynamics in
several ways (changes are seldom made without consequences), so if you are
going to make a change, realize that your airplane just became MORE
experimental. The turnbuckles do present a real hazard when folding in the
potential to overstress the tang. Plus it makes it very easy to
over-tension the wires which places further stress on the tangs.
I think we are all concerned with safety, but too many times we get too
micro-focused with the safety issues that we can see - not the ones we can't
see. Homer and I both shared a conviction that having turnbuckes on the
tail wires represented a real safety issue in that forgetting to safety wire
a turnbuckle is something very easy to do. So, for that and other reasons
we felt they represented a real safety issue. All our conversations with
Kolb builders over the years has only strengthened this conviction - it is
so easy to overlook something when the airplane gives the appearance of
being fully assembled. Most of us are amateur builders and mechanics and we
easily forget little details like safety pins, safety wire, lock nuts, etc.
but us professionals forget too. Ask me how I know.
If I were in the business today, I would probably continue with a 4-hole
tang, but it would be a 4130 tang made just a little thicker - depending
upon application. Originally we did not use the 4-hole tang or turnbuckles
- nothing is really needed. But the adjustments make life easier.
I would still not use turnbuckles for the reasons I previously mentioned in
an earlier email and above. But I did add double wires to the Slingshot
from the beginning because I felt they were needed for the higher speeds the
SS was capable of going. (I also added a significant internal brace (from
the wire attach point back to the inside corner of the stabilizer) to
properly handle the inward loads imposed by the wire on the leading edge
tube.)
I don't know all the reasons why other manufacturers may use double wires on
the tail, but I do know the major reason - their tail design requires it -
it is not optional for them. With a rectangular tail one cannot say that
they have double tail wires for safety - the design requires it. The light
weight tail structure is not torsionally stiff enough to be held by only one
set of wires. I can further guesstimate that many times this rectangular
shape is chosen not for aerodynamics - but rather for manufacturing ease.
Many of these tails are just a series of bends in a tube. This is much
easier, faster and less expensive than the 3-separate tubes the Kolb uses
that must be gusseted and riveted at every corner.
Homer has always used the triangular plan form on the tail because it will
not stall nearly as easily as a rectangular one will. So in Homer's mind
aerodynamics (shape) is a safety issue. Probably not many on the list see
tail planform shape as a safety issue - but Homer did.
I noticed on the photo of the tail, that another change has been introduced:
the curved leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer - and I have seen these
before too. This type design, while not being rectangular - it has
definitely been taken out of the triangular scenario with its direct load
paths. So if one wants a curved leading edge, I would say should have a
double set of wires - depends upon degree of curvature.
I really hope the group can continue to operate in a civil manner - so much
these days is becoming polarized where someone who has a different opinion
is vilified. This is unfortunate because I don't think anyone of us has a
lock on all the knowledge - so we need to share our little pieces of the
puzzle so we can all see the big picture and hopefully fly more safely.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue
Continue
At 11:15 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
>Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers,
>this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention.-snip-
>
>In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents
>does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of
>problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting
>to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get
>killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires.
I would defer to Dennis as the ultimate authority on any of the
changes the we "think" might improve the original structural design.
If you change/strengthen one thing - you weaken another. You just
move the problem to another area. I only know
of one person who was willing to tear the wings off of a Kolb in
flight - on purpose (not with sandbags on the ground) and
trust a chute to carry him down. This was done to find the weak link
in the design. The "weak link" was fixed years ago and
by weak - I mean more G's than you might ever do..
Most of the stuff I have done is cosmetic or just for looks/comfort.
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Robert,
Great idea doing the spreadsheet on Kolb pilot ages. Would it be possible to do
one with engine / gearbox / AC type / fuel burn / performance / hours on our
Kolbs?
Darren, Central MI, age 49, FS1, 325 hours, Hirth 2702 (40hp) 2.29:1 gear ratio,
64" warp drive @09 degrees, 2.3 gal/ hour average, 55mph cruise.
Time: 06:14:47 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free
technology around!
I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the
poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..
<http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..>
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
> I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
> along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
> please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
> post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
I turn 53 today, Sept 4.
Geoff Thistlethwaite
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I`m 58. Started flying in 1983. Lanny FSII
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Larry,
? I also had this failure.First the aluminum tube at the end of the steel tail
post.Noticed the frayed fabric first during preflight because I fold and unfold
every flight.So I replaced the tube (.032) with (.054) I think.But I continued
to use differential braking to swing the FS around in front of the trailer,which
puts a lot of side load on the tail post structure.Then the lower short
tube from the tailpost? failed at the ring.You know what that entails.I thought
all of this was self induced by the way I was turning and loading the tailpost,so
I spent the money and put a full swiveling tail wheel assy.on it.I never
heard about the braces until John mentioned them one day.Then I saw the light.You
can make the braces out of fairly light stuff because they are both in tension.The
only other mod I made was the clamp on the tail spring at the steel
tube to keep the rod from twisting against the bolt and letting the wheel flop
over center.Also prevents fish mouthing of the steel
tube so it does'nt get loose enough to rattle.
G.Aman MK-3C 475 hrs with Johns braces
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:56 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Tail wheel support and brace
Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel
post and brace. It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar on
the tail boom. I should of paid more attention.
?
On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check
the neighbors cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were bogged
in any of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time and gives me an
excuse to go fly.
?
As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel
assembly was wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel
collar was broken and the tail post was broken where it was connected to the
collar on the tube.
?
I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on
dirt, not grass, Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail
wheel are right in front of the hanger.
?
I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side
braces that John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would suggest
that you make it a priority, because it is a pain to repair, but really easy to
prevent.
?
I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the
problem is the fabric repair.
?
These two little braces are easy to make and install, the
repair is a pain in the butt.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Happy Birthday Geoff!
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:32 AM, geoffthis <geoffthis@charter.net> wrote:
>
> I turn 53 today, Sept 4.
>
> Geoff Thistlethwaite
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261388#261388
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Larry, is that aluminum or steel tube?
BB
On 3, Sep 2009, at 11:56 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel post and
> brace. It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar
> on the tail boom. I should of paid more attention.
>
> On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check the
> neighbors cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were
> bogged in any of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time
> and gives me an excuse to go fly.
>
> As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel assembly
> was wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel
> collar was broken and the tail post was broken where it was
> connected to the collar on the tube.
>
> I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on dirt, not
> grass, Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail
> wheel are right in front of the hanger.
>
> I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side braces
> that John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would
> suggest that you make it a priority, because it is a pain to
> repair, but really easy to prevent.
> <3686A0B5207B43C6958AC4FC4B7907FE>
>
> I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the problem
> is the fabric repair.
> <77B6A3E065AA4FA49A345BFFEA492AB3>
>
> These two little braces are easy to make and install, the repair is
> a pain in the butt.
> Larry
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That's easily done! But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water....
I'll try to have something available by the end of the day.
-- Robert
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:27 AM, <dsmald@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Great idea doing the spreadsheet on Kolb pilot ages. Would it be possible to
do one with engine / gearbox / AC type / fuel burn / performance / hours on our
Kolbs?
>
>
> Darren, Central MI, age 49, FS1, 325 hours, Hirth 2702 (40hp) 2.29:1 gear ratio,
64" warp drive @09 degrees, 2.3 gal/ hour average, 55mph cruise.
>
>
> Time: 06:14:47 AM PST US
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
>
> You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free
>
> technology around!
>
> I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the
>
> poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports.
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..
>
> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
>
> > Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
>
> > information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
>
> > I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
>
> > along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
>
> > please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
>
> > post the results.
>
> >
>
> > I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail wheel support and brace
Larry, is that aluminum or steel tube?
BB
The tubing is 3/8th aluminum that I had left over from an earlier
project.
Larry C
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After recent talk about human-powered flight -- Sikorsky has offered
a $250K prize to anyone who can fly a human-powered helicopter to 10'
altitude and keep it there, or above, for 60 seconds.
Since humans I believe can generate less than 1/2HP I think their
money is safe.
World's record so far is about 0.2 meters for 19 seconds.
Russ K
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Lloyd McFarlane 75
FireStar II
N6122L
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61
I've been flying my FirestarII since I completed it in 1995. My ship
was just certified
Amature Built Experimental and I'm about to fly-off 40 test hours in a
plane I have already logged 470 hr in.
Life is good!
John
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Terry Davis
62
Private Pilot since 1993
Kolb Pilot since 2005
Sumpter Valley, Eastern Oregon
FS 1, 503DCDI Powerfin, BRS
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Larry
That is an excellent and easy mod to do. I was going to weld the braces on mine,
but given what I see in your pictures, your mod looks jut as strong and does
not have any of the drawbacks of having to weld. I will make that a priority
and do it soon. Given this number of reports of breakages in this place, it
is something I check on EVERY preflight.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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I am 70
Got my private in 1965 but have not flown for 40 years.
Was lucky enough to meet and talk to Homer Kolb at Oshkosh in the 70s a 80s.
Have been a great fan of the Kolb and Homer ever since and am still dreaming
of flying my own Kolb. To date I have never flown in one.
Last year I got a M3c project and will soon have a building ready to start
work, and with the help from the folks on this list hope to make my long
time desire come true before I am the oldest person on this survey. I hear
others on the list, about my age, wondering how much longer they will be
able to fly.... Hey! I'm finally ready to "GET STARTED".
Been a lurker for many years. Also time to quit just lurking.
Thanks to all on the list for your help keeping the dream going for me.
Jody Morgan
San Diego, Ca.
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
49
Private Pilot since 1984
Flying my Kolb since 2002
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, N93DK, "Magic Bike" in
Cedar Crest, NM
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68
Jim Beard
private, SEL since 1976 172 hrs total pic
Kolb mklll Xtra 912uls
under construction in Clarkdale, Az.
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Dennis Rowe,
I read your excellent post on the tail mod, and turnbuckles, I'm glad you added
this information here. If you have any more thoughts, or warnings on my modification,
let me know. I did not use turnbuckles in my tail wires, I made up
an identical set of wires to what Kolb supplies with the plane. If you look
at the AD, its probably a number of things causing the tangs to break, vibration,
improper bending, I doubt its just overloading. I think in a static test,
other parts of the tail would bend or fail before the tangs would break off,
but in as seen in Jimmy Youngs picture, as in the Rans cases, these tangs are
cracking and breaking over time.
I did consider the additional loads imposed on my tail from an extra set of bracing
wires, and I was very careful not to over tension these cables, there is
just enough to keep them from vibrating in the wind but not enough to start to
bend the leading edge of the horizontal stab which will happen if they are over
tightened. Given the outward and rearward position of the extra set of cables,
the inward load placed on my horizontal stabilizer front attachment is less
than 5 pounds as measured on the ground. I keep the front attachment of
the Horizontal stab greased so that it slides very easily, even under load it
does not bind.
One unexpected thing I solved was that I had a VERY SLIGHT buffet coming through
the rudder pedals at cruise power, so slight that most people could not detect
it. This was not flutter nor in any way speed related, it was more affected
by power. I fly far more hours in Jets than in prop planes, so I am very sensitive
to things like this. This very slight buffet went away with the new tail
wires, it may have been more a result of doubling up the fabric where I made
the patches, I don't know for sure, what I do know is that this buffet went
away.
My compression springs do have a fair amount of slack in them, this is intentional
so that there is enough travel for the tailwheel to unlock at its limits without
undue stress. If I tighten these up, it takes to much force to unlock
the tailwheel. Ground handling might be a little crisper if they were tight,
but I would eventually break something. As it is, ground handling is very much
improved over the tension springs that I had on my Kolb before, so while not
perfect, I am very happy with my improved ground handling from before.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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I feel like a youngster ... does that count?
60 years young.
Dennis
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
post the results.
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Clyde MacQuarrie- Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada. Turning 77 on Sept.27th.
Hope to have our Kolb Mark 111 Classic in the air this fall.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:29 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
> > Oops! I went back over the posts and apparently I missed some responses.
>
> Current data
>
> 36 responders
>
> 8 @ 70 up
> 9 in 60s
> 8 in 50s
> 8 in 40s
> 3 under 40
>
> Mean 57.7
> Median 59
> Max 83
> Min 19
>
> ~ 53% under 60
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261381#261381
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue |
Continue
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From: JetPilot
My compression springs do have a fair amount of slack in them, this is
intentional so that there is enough travel for the tailwheel to unlock
at its limits without undue stress. If I tighten these up, it takes to
much force to unlock the tailwheel. Ground handling might be a little
crisper if they were tight, but I would eventually break something. As
it is, ground handling is very much improved over the tension springs
that I had on my Kolb before, so while not perfect, I am very happy with
my improved ground handling from before.
Mike
Gang,
I am on the second "Break away tail wheel" from Kolb. The first I
sold in disgust to Larry Bourne because it would breakaway too soon, and
on a paved runway could not get it to lock again with any kind of a
cross wind. Since then I decided that I was a bit too rash and bought
another. (Cheap lesson, only about $400 bucks) When I got it I took it
apart and with a dremel tool hogged it out so that it takes full
deflection for it to break away. It is much better this way in that I
can steer even in a cross wind. I also have the springs under quite a
bit of tension. It steers well this way and with the braces that I just
installed I am not worried about over stressing. In fact 500 hours for
the original to break leads me to believe that it will not be a problem
again. I also have individual brakes to help with the steering as well.
The way that it is now it takes full deflection of the rudder to break
away.
Larry C
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The most horsepower a human can generate is running up a steep flight
of stairs as fast as possible.
Of course the output will improve if it's a big fat guy doing as well
as a scrawny 150 lb guy would do.
Not likely. Body builders would fare poorly too.
To take advantage of what little ground effect you would have at 10'
the rotor would have to be located
as far down the total assemblage as possible. The hover would be a
little unstable but it could be done.
Bicycle type pedals are a poor way to get top power. You would nee a
rowing machine arrangement.
BB
On 4, Sep 2009, at 10:28 AM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> After recent talk about human-powered flight -- Sikorsky has
> offered a $250K prize to anyone who can fly a human-powered
> helicopter to 10' altitude and keep it there, or above, for 60
> seconds.
> Since humans I believe can generate less than 1/2HP I think
> their money is safe.
> World's record so far is about 0.2 meters for 19 seconds.
> Russ K
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | breakfast flight |
I have to coax the boss into flying by having a meal at the end of the trip.We
have an unusual restaraunt thats only 78 miles away,round trip.One of those "cold
front" mornings smooth as silk.
?G.Aman
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Unusual decore.
??? G.Aman
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Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
Thank you all,
I wish to express my appreciation for everyone's response to the
fuel burn query.
We apparently have quite a spread in hourly fuel use between various
Kolb planes and pilots.
From Jack Hart's 1.5 gph all the way to John Hauck's 582 with 5.5 gph.
Some pilots choose to cruise at 40/ 55 mph, others at 70/85 mph.
One pilot claims his best fuel economy is @ 70.
My l stats with my modified Firestar, 618 Rotax 72" inflight IVO prop
are ,,,,
42/ 50 mph air speed -- 2 gph as per 2 hour flight time.
60/65 mph air speed -- 3.5 gph as per 2 hour flight time.
Wide open 6700 rpm climb out 7.5 gph as per fuel flow gauge
indication.
Thanks again to everyone who responded,
Gene Zimmerman
On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> All Kolbers,
>
> I'm curious what other kolb pilots are experiencing as their gallon
> per hour fuel burn?
>
> What is your sustained level flight absolute minimum gal, per hr?
> At what engine rpm? And at what cruise speed?
>
> What is your over all "average" gal. per hr. engine rpm, and
> cruise speed?
>
> Please specify the model of your plane and engine when you share
> your statistics.
>
> Statistic from flights of 2 hours or longer will likely be more
> accurate and reliable than shorter flights, but please share
> whatever you personally experience with your plane.
>
>
> Eugene Zimmerman
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
68
...although I have evidence that certain parts may be older...
beauford
FF-076
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
post the results.
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Subject: | Re: neat restaraunt |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Unusual decore.
> G.Aman
Cool, what airport?
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Gene Ledbetter
Cincinnati
Firefly, 447, 450 hrs
I look forward to flying my Firefly next year after I turn 80 on Jan. 6.
My Fly is the plane that I made my first solo in. Still fly out of my
trailer and added a Harbor Freight Jump Battery Winch to make the put
away easier after it gave me a hernia last year.
Life is good with a Kolb.
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Hey Gene, I don`t know if winching is a word, however, I was wondering
where you hook the winch cable to the airframe. I also trailer my FSII each
time I fly. I hooked up a winch several years ago. I hooked the cable to
the tail wheel strut and pulled the FSII up the ramps backwards. It worked,
but seemed to put A LOT of stress on the tail wheel strut. After that one
time using the winch I went back to pulling the airplane up using brute
strength. I`m sure the day will come where I will need to go back to using
the winch. Lanny N598LF
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Gary Jindra age 54-Uniontown,Oh.-
just attained sport pilot certificate, building M111c-582-----
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--- On Fri, 9/4/09, Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter@aol.com> wrote:
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Gene Ledbetter
Cincinnati
Firefly, 447, 450 hrs
I look forward to flying my Firefly next year after I turn 80 on Jan. 6.
My Fly is the plane that I made my first solo in.- Still fly out of my tr
ailer and added a Harbor Freight Jump Battery Winch to make the put away ea
sier after it gave me a hernia last year.
Life is good with a Kolb.
le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Winching a Kolb |
Lanny,
I pull my Firefly forward into the trailer.
I connect the winch cable snap into the middle of a tiedown with hook
ends looped over the landing gear legs. Works great!
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Winching a Kolb |
donaho1(at)verizon.net wrote:
>
> = SNIP
> I hooked the cable to the tail wheel strut and pulled the FSII up the ramps backwards.
It worked, but seemed to put A LOT of stress on the tail wheel strut.
After that one time using the winch I went back to pulling the airplane up using
brute strength. I`m sure the day will come where I will need to go back to
using the winch. Lanny N598LF
Lanny:
Chris Mallory, former FSII driver, used a bracket he had made. His set up is on
my web site (link below) under "Trailering a Kolb". If you want to go direct
to Chris' tail wheel bracket, go to:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbplanes/CM_Winch_01.htm
Thumbnails below the opening picture show the details.
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Subject: | The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb Poll To
End All Polls!
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
It is, of course, voluntary, and it covers many of the controversial topics
as well as just "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
As soon as I get 20-30 responses, I will publish the results either here on
on a web page, to which I will post a link. Please be assured that it will
be completely anonymous if you want it to be. There are options on it that
will tell me that you do/don't want your name used, and you do/don't want
your N-number used.
My motivation for doing this is strictly curiosity... but please don't kill
this cat.
I hope I didn't miss anything of significant importance. But I think the
results will be a real eye opener, AND it will help a lot of us see what's
out there, and what people are using.
I do hope that everyone will pitch in and truly make this the TKPTEAP that
it should be! :-)
-- Robert
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Howard Shackleford
68 yrs.
Flying 10 yrs
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Gene and George thanks for the info. I will store that information in the
hard drive in my brain for future reference. Also, while the tail wheel
bracket is very nicely done, I still feel it will pull rather hard on the
strut. It`s not exactly the strut I`m worried about, it`s the tubing the
strut slides into that seems to take a lot of stress when using the winch.
Perhaps the structure is strong enough to take the stress of a thousand
winch assisted loadings. I just always try to treat my FSII as gently as I
can, on the ground and in the air. Lanny
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Hi All,
I was talking Offlist with a few fellow Kolbers about the tail wire
tension, (and the Kolblist tension), and a question was posed to me
about how much tailshaking is normal, so, if you guys don`t mind, how
about looking over your shoulder the next time you fly & report back on
this topic please?
With all the talk about the wire attach tangs lately, What We`re
specifically looking for is several things.:
How much , if any, is the leading edges of the horizontal & vertical
stabilizers vibrating in flight? And, If they are any worse or better
at any power settings & or airspeeds?
For instance, does power matter? or Airspeed in a descent with no
power? I will chime in too, but later.
I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that
have been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list, because
of all of the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain
member of this list, & didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad, Huh?)
The owners are MK-3C & MK-3X pilots, but I`m sure we all may learn.
Of course, we will all have to understand that the tail wires are as
tight as the owners are comfortable flying with, or they wouldn't` fly.
I know this topics was touched on earlier, `cuz an archive search
yielded John H`s response, but we`d like an up to date comment.
Thanks in advance
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
912 MK-3C
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Subject: | Re: neat restaraunt |
Cristal,
? 38D Salem Ohio,2years old.
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:06 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: neat restaraunt
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Unusual decore.
> G.Aman
Cool, what airport?
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Well said Rick, I have my email set up to just put the DH's email right in
the trash where it belongs!!
M
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Dear JP
Why NOT give everyone else a break? I do not read anything you post. You can
call me names until you are blue in the face. I will not waste my time with
you and your bile. When you were making the attempt to be civil I sometimes
took a chance, no more. So, once again, why not give everyone else a break
because they are the only people you offend.
Rick Girard
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Malcolm Morrison
Age 51
Kolb MKII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:14:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information
and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to
know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually
replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
Is this poll for USA based kolbs or can us uk lurkers join the fun ?
Eddie BAyliss
Liverpool
england (or uk if you prefer)
mk111 c
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Laird
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP)
With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb
Poll To End All Polls!
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWt
FLXFTdHc6MA..
It is, of course, voluntary, and it covers many of the controversial
topics as well as just "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
As soon as I get 20-30 responses, I will publish the results either
here on on a web page, to which I will post a link. Please be assured
that it will be completely anonymous if you want it to be. There are
options on it that will tell me that you do/don't want your name used,
and you do/don't want your N-number used.
My motivation for doing this is strictly curiosity... but please
don't kill this cat.
I hope I didn't miss anything of significant importance. But I think
the results will be a real eye opener, AND it will help a lot of us see
what's out there, and what people are using.
I do hope that everyone will pitch in and truly make this the TKPTEAP
that it should be! :-)
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
All are welcome!
On 9/4/09, Eddie <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Is this poll for USA based kolbs or can us uk lurkers join the fun ?
> Eddie BAyliss
> Liverpool
> england (or uk if you prefer)
> mk111 c
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Laird
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:30 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP)
>
>
> With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb Poll
> To End All Polls!
>
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
>
> It is, of course, voluntary, and it covers many of the controversial
> topics as well as just "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
>
> As soon as I get 20-30 responses, I will publish the results either here
> on on a web page, to which I will post a link. Please be assured that it
> will be completely anonymous if you want it to be. There are options on it
> that will tell me that you do/don't want your name used, and you do/don't
> want your N-number used.
>
> My motivation for doing this is strictly curiosity... but please don't
> kill this cat.
>
> I hope I didn't miss anything of significant importance. But I think the
> results will be a real eye opener, AND it will help a lot of us see what's
> out there, and what people are using.
>
> I do hope that everyone will pitch in and truly make this the TKPTEAP that
> it should be! :-)
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 09/04/09 05:51:00
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Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
I've already got 5 replies to the poll, and it's really very interesting! I
encourage everyone to take the poll... it might take, oh, 10 minutes top to
fill it out, and everyone will benefit!
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com> wrote:
> With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb Poll
> To End All Polls!
>
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
>
> I
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Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
Welcome aboard, Brother Eddie...
How aged are ye...? and what Kolb are you flying, sir?
beauford (he of the ancient liver)
Firefly 076
Brandon, FL
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----- Original Message -----
From: Eddie
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP)
Is this poll for USA based kolbs or can us uk lurkers join the
fun ?
Eddie BAyliss
Liverpool
england (or uk if you prefer)
mk111 c
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Given this number of reports of breakages in this place, it is something I
check on EVERY preflight.
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
You gotta fly'em and put a lot of hours on them to break them.
A lot of the little things I have done to my Kolbs, over the years, has been
because I flew a lot (notice past tense) and wore stuff out or caused stuff
to require frequent adjustment.
BTW: There is nothing wrong with the Kolb design, all models. Some of us
fly a lot more than others. Some of us fly in tougher conditions than
others. Larry C, for one, puts lots of hours on his bird in a harsh
environment.
I was never an advocate of the SS multi-hole wire tangs.
What I have now works great for me. I have adjusted tail wire tension once
in well over 1,000 flight hours. Prior to that, I twisted cables, used
washers, and made up a lot of new tail wires for my birds.
I might add, cabled thimbles were never designed to be used in conjunction
with a 1/16" think cable tang. Would work much better if one used a clevis
pinned and safetied with the thimble inserted into the clevis. A lot more
surface area for the thimble to wear against. I have worn thimbles
completely through and into the cable eye before I caught it.
Remember, I share with you what I do, good or bad (the mistakes I have made
along the way), but I am not here to grade any List member on their
performance. It is up to the individual to choose what he/she wants to do.
A couple hundred hours flying and breaking Kolbs does not make anyone an
expert. One must get out there and experience the airplane first.
john h
mkIII - Rawlings, Wyoming (7200 feet msl and still on the ground.)
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Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Dave Kulp... just turned 67 end of last month.
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Subject: | Third Impressions |
Finally, after a couple of (2 hour) trips to the airport, the Field
Repair/modifications were complete to test fly the Mark IIIc. There had been
three problems, heavy left wing, absurd airspeed indications, staying below RPM
redline.
1. The heavy left wing was solved with a trim tab under the right wing
aileron, in size to the precise specifications of an off-line helper. (18" x
4" aluminum, bent in the middle to lift edge by 1/2").
This solution hit square on the head, completely correcting the left roll
tendency to the point of being able to remove my grip while the A/C keeps
trucking on with wings level. The fix corrected the left roll, likely
caused by the clockwise rotation of engine.
After about 3 seconds of hands free operation, I need to take over
control again, because of a slight pitch down tendency with zero trim. Going to
the first trim notch results in a slight nose up tendency. I stayed with the
zero trim. (There is a good suggestion to fix this, but a Winter Job).
To make the flag fly straight, I need to put in a bit of left rudder.
Without this rudder the flag flies approximately 10 degrees off center. The
rudder input did not seem to have much effect on the lateral stability,
confirming the discussions about inability of keeping the Kolb level with rudder
alone.
2. The absurd airspeed indications (almost one airspeed for all occasions)
were solved by two steps. First relocation of the pitot/static from the
top of the fairing the bottom, according to a second off-line assist from a
good soul, who supplied measurements and advise. While having the unit out,
I noticed that this "semi-professional" beautiful piece of stainless steel
art, had the Static holes not only staggered, but facing about 45 degrees
down (as when mounted above). Well, trying to drill new holes properly in
the field was futile. I had to take the thing home, where, with a drill
press, I promptly broke/dulled three new 1/16 drill bits. But, in the end I won
properly over this dastardly piece of stainless steel.
With the pitot remounted to the bottom, I took off and marveled at the
fantastic airspeed of zero and flew the entire circuit this way. With
markings on the tubings, I could have sworn in court the dang lines were
connected correctly, but of course, they were reversed.
With that corrected, the next flight showed delightful airspeeds. Our
little 65 HP Hirth engine, easily shows 60 MPH in cruise, when pushed at near
full power even 70 MPH. I did not do any GPS or stall tests, because of only
20% fuel in the tanks, there was this awful urge to walk the ground.
3. Staying below Redline This was to be a simple fix to reset the pitch
on the prop. But after walking up to the prop and staring at the cap-bolts,
that need a special 6 mm tool with 3/8 drive to utilize the torque wrench,
it was a job for another day. On that other day, re-pitching went well. In
two steps, Pitch was increased from 8.75 degrees to 10.50 degrees, reducing
static RPM from 6,400 to 5,900. Now, climb out can be made at full power.
In cruise, as usual, you must still watch RPM. Anyway, this is happy times
now.
General impressions: Feeling a lot more relaxed flying this butterfly, I
mean Kolb. Landings are fine. I noticed what may give rise to discussion.
The aircraft feels fine and comfortable up to 60 MPH, but when pushed to 70
it seems to become "squirrely". I had this feeling when pushed in cruise,
as well as on descent to land when in a hurry to get down. Anybody that has
owned a motorbike will know, each bike has a comfort speed limit. This
came to mind when at high speed (Haha!) every little air burble was more
upsetting. I slow down, and things feel "normal". Now I've seen Kolb movies,
with bigger engines, showing 90 MPH with seemingly great steadiness. Perhaps
all I need is more acclimation?
Herb
Mark IIIc, 246KT Grand total of 2.1 hrs
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Subject: | The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
Robert, would be nice to have the list by states.
Jimmy Hankinson
Firefly N6007L
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Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
Jim, my tail wires have never been very tight. They are more so now
than originally but not "twangy"
I have never noticed any problems with vibration or rudder flutter.
The cable thimbles are starting to show
a little wear and will have to be checked closely before next season.
I'm still a little shy about picking up too much speed in a long
power off dive because of the aileron flutter I once had.
(pre-balancers) and pay close attention to what's going on. Seems
good now.
BB
MkIIIc
On 4, Sep 2009, at 5:14 PM, Jim Kmet wrote:
> Hi All,
> I was talking Offlist with a few fellow Kolbers about the tail
> wire tension, (and the Kolblist tension), and a question was posed
> to me about how much tailshaking is normal, so, if you guys don`t
> mind, how about looking over your shoulder the next time you fly &
> report back on this topic please?
> With all the talk about the wire attach tangs lately, What We`re
> specifically looking for is several things.:
> How much , if any, is the leading edges of the horizontal &
> vertical stabilizers vibrating in flight? And, If they are any
> worse or better at any power settings & or airspeeds?
> For instance, does power matter? or Airspeed in a descent with no
> power? I will chime in too, but later.
> I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies
> that have been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the
> list, because of all of the negative comments that have been thrown
> by a certain member of this list, & didn't want to stir up more
> crap. (Sad, Huh?)
> The owners are MK-3C & MK-3X pilots, but I`m sure we all may learn.
> Of course, we will all have to understand that the tail wires are
> as tight as the owners are comfortable flying with, or they
> wouldn't` fly.
> I know this topics was touched on earlier, `cuz an archive search
> yielded John H`s response, but we`d like an up to date comment.
> Thanks in advance
> Jim Kmet
> Cookeville, TN
> 912 MK-3C
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
I don't tighten my wires THAT much.... they're tight ... but a dull twang
My tail is steady.... I know I had a bad wiggle/shimmy ( still do)
But I found out it's those cheap outa round tires I got ( Chin?)
I hit my brakes after take-off and it solves it.... Once these wear
a little more... I'll buy better tires... I like the ones I bought for
my other plane... Same wheel size , but taller ( Still 6 X 6.00 )
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
New Kolb Forum - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
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Jim=2C the first time I noticed mine it scared me so bad and called my frie
nd Jack. He said it was normal=2C so I kept going. Is yours shaking? or swa
ying?
From: slyck@frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail shaking
Jim=2C my tail wires have never been very tight. They are more so now tha
n originally but not "twangy"
I have never noticed any problems with vibration or rudder flutter. The ca
ble thimbles are starting to show
a little wear and will have to be checked closely before next season.
I'm still a little shy about picking up too much speed in a long power off
dive because of the aileron flutter I once had.
(pre-balancers) and pay close attention to what's going on. Seems good no
w.
BB
MkIIIc
On 4=2C Sep 2009=2C at 5:14 PM=2C Jim Kmet wrote:
Hi All=2C
I was talking Offlist with a few fellow Kolbers about the tail wire tensio
n=2C (and the Kolblist tension)=2C and a question was posed to me about how
much tailshaking is normal=2C so=2C if you guys don`t mind=2C how about lo
oking over your shoulder the next time you fly & report back on this topic
please?
With all the talk about the wire attach tangs lately=2C What We`re specific
ally looking for is several things.:
How much =2C if any=2C is the leading edges of the horizontal & vertical st
abilizers vibrating in flight? And=2C If they are any worse or better at a
ny power settings & or airspeeds?
For instance=2C does power matter? or Airspeed in a descent with no power?
I will chime in too=2C but later.
I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that hav
e been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list=2C because of a
ll of the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain member of th
is list=2C & didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad=2C Huh?)
The owners are MK-3C & MK-3X pilots=2C but I`m sure we all may learn.
Of course=2C we will all have to understand that the tail wires are as tigh
t as the owners are comfortable flying with=2C or they wouldn't` fly.
I know this topics was touched on earlier=2C `cuz an archive search yielde
d John H`s response=2C but we`d like an up to date comment.
Thanks in advance
Jim Kmet
Cookeville=2C TN
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Subject: | Good chance you can't help but join in! |
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clw7SAJs_6w&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwhatreallyhapp
ened%2Ecom%2Fcategory%2Fvideo&feature=player_embedded_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clw7SAJs_6w&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.com/category/video&fea
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Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
>
>
> I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that have
been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list, because of all of
the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain member of this list,
& didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad, Huh?)
>
> Jim Kmet
> Cookeville, TN
> 912 MK-3C
>
>
Its obvious from your comment that you just cant let your bitterness go or even
respect what Matt asked of us, and end this. Here, instead of just post your
question, you just had to take the opportunity to try to post a negative comment
even after everything had pretty much blown over. You were so desperate to
throw out some negative comments and insults that you resorted to doing it in
a new thread. You are nothing hypocrite that is saying how sad it is to have
crap stirred up, when you take every opportunity to stir it up yourself. I
am tired of bitter and vindictive and bitter hypocrites like yourself blaming
me for your bad behavior.
As far as newbies on the list, I have been talking to a lot of them myself and
many are afraid to post because of the likes of yourself and your little gang
that try to intimidate and silence the opinions of those on this list you don't
like. What is really sad is that even after Matt Dralle asked nicely, you
are so bitter you have to try to start shit again in a new thread. No is one
responsible for you trying to stir up shit and hard feelings on the list but
yourself.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I was never an advocate of the SS multi-hole wire tangs.
>
> What I have now works great for me. I have adjusted tail wire tension once
> in well over 1,000 flight hours. Prior to that, I twisted cables, used
> washers, and made up a lot of new tail wires for my birds.
>
>
> john h
> mkIII - Rawlings, Wyoming (7200 feet msl and still on the ground.)
Hi John H,
You made good time going out west, did not expect you to be that far already.
As far as your tail wires, I knew you did something better than most of us, but
I don't remember what. I'm not a huge fan of the multi hole SS tangs especially
after the AD, but am at a loss of what else to use. I bought some Stainless
Steel single hole tangs from Aircraft Spruce, but they were extremely thin,
and I could bend them with my fingers, they felt much weaker than my Multi hole
tangs, so I did not use them. What type of tangs did you use on your MK
III, and were can we get them ? I would be as happy as could be to get 1000 hours
out of my next set, did you use Stainless Steel Cables also ?
Mike
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have !!!
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Subject: | Re: Good chance you can't help but join in! |
that guy is in for an exciting lifetime.
On 4, Sep 2009, at 10:33 PM, HGRAFF@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clw7SAJs_6w&eurl=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fwhatreallyhappened%2Ecom%2Fcategory%2Fvideo&feature=player_embedded
>
>
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Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
If people put in their city, state, then that's very doable!
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Jmmy Hankinson <jhankin@planters.net> wrote:
> *Robert, would be nice to have the list by states.*
>
> * *
>
> *Jimmy Hankinson*
>
> *Firefly N6007L*
>
> *
> do not archive
> *
>
>
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