---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/14/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:14 AM - Re: Microbes in the fuel (pj.ladd) 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:18 AM - Re: q (pj.ladd) 4. 06:27 AM - P's and q's (Richard Girard) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: P's and q's (pj.ladd) 6. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed (zeprep251@aol.com) 7. 08:24 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 8. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed (Mike Welch) 9. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed (zeprep251@aol.com) 10. 09:06 AM - Washing a FireFly with VG's (Jack B. Hart) 11. 09:49 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle) 12. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed (John Hauck) 13. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed (b young) 14. 01:32 PM - got a little wet (dalewhelan) 15. 01:34 PM - Arial rainbow (dalewhelan) 16. 02:00 PM - Re: got a little wet (Thom Riddle) 17. 02:45 PM - Re: Arial rainbow (Mike Welch) 18. 02:49 PM - Three Forks of the Owyhee (Larry Cottrell) 19. 03:17 PM - Re: got a little wet (Richard Girard) 20. 03:17 PM - Re: got a little wet (Richard Girard) 21. 03:21 PM - Re: got a little wet (Richard Girard) 22. 04:29 PM - Re: got a little wet (Jimmy Young) 23. 04:57 PM - rainy, too (Robert Laird) 24. 06:24 PM - Thunder Storms (Thumb) 25. 08:54 PM - Re:image resizer free download from microsoft (Arksey@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:29 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Microbes in the fuel but enjoy the coast anyway. Isn't it getting coolish?>> Hi Russ, Great few days away, hot in the sun and the tide began coming in around 8 in the morning so a lot of activity in the estuary. Drove into a fly in on the way home and met a couple of guys from my field. Last time I was at that fly in I flew the Challenger there.A Lovely sunny day, light breeze but the temps are dropping. Needed my fleece by evening. North of England dropped 10 degrees yesterday. Today it is overcast and breezy. Well it would be woudn`t it? We often get a few weeks of smooth gentle winds around now. Evenings are shortening. Pretty dusk ( dimpsy as we say in this part of the world) at around 7.30. Have to get the plane out soon even if it is only to run the engine. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators From: "Thom Riddle" The question of whether VGs will reduce stall speed has been answered over and over in the affirmative. The less discussed question is whether there is a drag penalty at higher speeds. Following are links to two tests done on a Bonanza (same Bonanza for both tests), one for VGs and stall speed and the other VGs and cruise speeds. http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/vortex/Vgs_stall_wide_screen.pdf http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/vortex/Vgs_cruise_wide_screen.pdf Just because these tests were done on a Bonanza and not a Kolb does not mean that the principles do not also apply to Kolbs. The magnitude of the effects may be different but it is very unlikely (in my opinion) that there is no higher speed cost/penalty when VGs are installed. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262907#262907 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:34 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q List, my apologies. That msg was meant to go to Pat, not the List.>> Sorry from me too. Banged off a reply without checking the address the message came from. Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: P's and q's From: Richard Girard Pat, all, I don't mind hearing about you sojourn to the shore at all. After all, you were longing for some Kolb time, so that makes it applicable to the forum, doesn't it? I suppose it's a measure of your manners and geniality that you feel the need to apologize at all.Pat, if it helps any, here in Kansas we are under the influence of what the weather wizards call a retrograde wind flow caused by a low pressure system centered in Texas that is making the Great Plains as soggy and humid as anything in Jolly Old England, just a bit warmer, that's all. I too am waiting on some decent weather to pull the Kolb out and go do some flight testing. Rick Girard do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:54 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: P's and q's it's a measure of your manners and geniality that you feel the need to apologize at all.Pat, here in Kansas we are under the influence of what the weather wizards call a retrograde wind flow caused by a low pressure system centered in Texas that is making the Great Plains as soggy and humid as anything in Jolly Old England, just a bit warmer, that's all. >> Well thanks, I`m blushing. Soggy and humid here it ain`t. We had the first of the Autumn (fall) weather about 10 days ago after a miserable summer. As I was expaining to Russ we often have a series of highs now for 2 or 3 weeks. Windless, quiet days with the smoke from the leaf burning bonfires going straight up. Kids are back at school. Great to get a break in while it is quiet. Clear crisp sunny days with a bit of ground fog early in the morning. The leaves are beginning to change colour but no frost yet so no leaves are falling. The chestnut trees have got some sort of a disease and they are turning brown. We had Dutch elm disease strike the trees some years ago and tens of thousand of elms were lost .It would be a catastrophe if the same thing hapenned to the chestnuts. Perfect flying weather if you can get away in the afternoon but the long light evenings which we get all summer are beginning to shorten. heigh Ho. Fingers crossed. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed From: zeprep251@aol.com Mike , They certainly are a giant pain when you clean your aircraft. ???? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:50 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed Malcolm, ? ? I believe Chris is correct9about Manuevering speed affecting stall speed).? "Manuevering speed" is the speed at which you can make (moderately) abrupt control inputs, and not bend your airplane.? It must also be pointed out that these abrupt inputs are limited to mild to moderate turbulence, if I recall correctly. ? A "high G loading" is suggesting an absolute maximum an airplane MAY?NOT recover from, if you have to make a rapid control movement. ? (I haven't reached for my latest copy of the Airmen Information Manual, so don't make a federal case, if I got a detail or two wrong) ? ? From what I have heard, read, researched, etc. VG's augment the slow end of the flying spectrum.? They don't do much, if anything,?for the upper end.? The VGs act on the wing's surface in?a similar?way?the dimples on a golf ball allow it to?go MUCH further than a golf ball without dimples.? They, the VGs or dimples, affect the boundary air going past the surface. ? ? On a separate note, some pilots have said they don't want VGs on their plane.? Period!!!? Why is this so hard for some others to accept?? ? For some purists, they do NOT want an airplane with whiskers, regardless of what the whiskers may do.? They aren't interested in any of the benefits, real or imagined, brought on by the addition of VGs. ? I don't recall hearing from any of these pilots?that VGs don't work as advertised, they have simply said "No, thank you for me." ? It seems, for some inexplicable reason, there are those that simply won't rest until everyone has?VGs. ? ? Personally , I DO plan on adding VGs, when I get back to work on my plane in about two months.??I DO see their value, and am not worried about having the annoying sharp edges on the wings.? But I certainly respect another guy's decision to NOT use them! ? The science behind VGs is clear.? Their value is not in question when added properly on "some" wings.? But, not everyone wants them. ? Mike Welch MkIII CX ? ? > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed > From: ces308@ldaco.com > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:08:09 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > I don't believe it has anything to do with the stall....it does ,however have to do with when the airplane could start coming apart or at least start bending something.... > > chris ambrose > m3x/jab > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262863#262863 > > Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >= > > > Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" Richard Girard wrote: << I'm interested in VG in two areas, ... Right now my stall speeds are 37 clean, 35 half flaps, 32 full flaps. >> Kolb Friends - I am (finally) going to install VGs on my Mark-III. I have the set of 100 little polycarbonate VGs from LandShorter, which I bought 2 years ago, and I figured it's time to finally give 'em a try! As long as my Kolb is down this month for its annual, I am also planning to clean up the airflow around the people-pod by covering the upper half of the aft cabin sides with thin (1/16") Lexan panels. The stall performance on my M3 Classic exactly matches Rick's numbers, above. So I'm really looking forward to see what happens after I install the VGs. I'll be installing them using double-stick carpet tape, to allow me to easily remove them if I wish. No super glue. Will provide a full flight-report when I take "Magic Bike" for its next flight ... Dennis Kirby 912ul, N93DK in Cedar Crest, NM do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:18 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed Gary=2C I'm expecting that I'll use my big fluffy car brush=2C you know=2C the ki nd that your garden hose attaches to. That=2C or hire some teenager. LOL Mike Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed From: zeprep251@aol.com Mike =2C They certainly are a giant pain when you clean your aircraft. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Sun=2C Sep 13=2C 2009 10:50 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed Malcolm=2C I believe Chris is correct9about Manuevering speed affecting stall speed) . "Manuevering speed" is the speed at which you can make (moderately) abru pt control inputs=2C and not bend your airplane. It must also be pointed o ut that these abrupt inputs are limited to mild to moderate turbulence=2C i f I recall correctly. A "high G loading" is suggesting an absolute maximum an airplane MAY NOT recover from=2C if you have to make a rapid control movement. (I haven't reached for my latest copy of the Airmen Information Manual=2C so don't make a federal case=2C if I got a detail or two wrong) From what I have heard=2C read=2C researched=2C etc. VG's augment the slo w end of the flying spectrum. They don't do much=2C if anything=2C for the upper end. The VGs act on the wing's surface in a similar way the dimples on a golf ball allow it to go MUCH further than a golf ball without dimple s. They=2C the VGs or dimples=2C affect the boundary air going past the su rface. On a separate note=2C some pilots have said they don't want VGs on their plane. Period!!! Why is this so hard for some others to accept? For some purists=2C they do NOT want an airplane with whiskers=2C regardl ess of what the whiskers may do. They aren't interested in any of the bene fits=2C real or imagined=2C brought on by the addition of VGs. I don't recall hearing from any of these pilots that VGs don't work as ad vertised=2C they have simply said "No=2C thank you for me." It seems=2C for some inexplicable reason=2C there are those that simply w on't rest until everyone has VGs. Personally =2C I DO plan on adding VGs=2C when I get back to work on my p lane in about two months. I DO see their value=2C and am not worried about having the annoying sharp edges on the wings. But I certainly respect ano ther guy's decision to NOT use them! The science behind VGs is clear. Their value is not in question when add ed properly on "some" wings. But=2C not everyone wants them. Mike Welch MkIII CX > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed > From: ces308@ldaco.com > Date: Sun=2C 13 Sep 2009 19:08:09 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > I don't believe it has anything to do with the stall....it does =2Choweve r have to do with when the airplane could start coming apart or at least st art bending something.... > > chris ambrose > m3x/jab > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262863#262863 > > Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C >= > > > Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digit al tv's. Click here. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed From: zeprep251@aol.com Mike, ?No water available at the hanger so I use a trigger spray bottle and a towel to clean .The towel thing is the pain. ? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:27 am Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed Gary, ? ? I'm expecting that I'll use my big fluffy car brush, you know, the kind that your garden hose attaches to. ? ? That, or hire some teenager.? LOL ? Mike Welch ? Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed From: zeprep251@aol.com Mike , They certainly are a giant pain when you clean your aircraft. ???? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:50 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed Malcolm, ? ? I believe Chris is correct9about Manuevering speed affecting stall speed).? "Manuevering speed" is the speed at which you can make (moderately) abrupt control inputs, and not bend your airplane.? It must also be pointed out that these abrupt inputs are limited to mild to moderate turbulence, if I recall correctly. ? A "high G loading" is suggesting an absolute maximum an airplane MAY?NOT recover from, if you have to make a rapid control movement. ? (I haven't reached for my latest copy of the Airmen Information Manual, so don't make a federal case, if I got a detail or two wrong) ? ? From what I have heard, read, researched, etc. VG's augment the slow end of the flying spectrum.? They don't do much, if anything,?for the upper end.? The VGs act on the wing's surface in?a similar?way?the dimples on a golf ball allow it to?go MUCH further than a golf ball without dimples.? They, the VGs or dimples, affect the boundary air going past the surface. ? ? On a separate note, some pilots have said they don't want VGs on their plane.? Period!!!? Why is this so hard for some others to accept?? ? For some purists, they do NOT want an airplane with whiskers, regardless of what the whiskers may do.? They aren't interested in any of the benefits, real or imagined, brought on by the addition of VGs. ? I don't recall hearing from any of these pilots?that VGs don't work as advertised, they have simply said "No, thank you for me." ? It seems, for some inexplicable reason, there are those that simply won't rest until everyone has?VGs. ? ? Personally , I DO plan on adding VGs, when I get back to work on my plane in about two months.??I DO see their value, and am not worried about having the annoying sharp edges on the wings.? But I certainly respect another guy's decision to NOT use them! ? The science behind VGs is clear.? Their value is not in question when added properly on "some" wings.? But, not everyone wants them. ? Mike Welch MkIII CX ? ? > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed > From: ces308@ldaco.com > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:08:09 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > I don't believe it has anything to do with the stall....it does ,however have to do with when the airplane could start coming apart or at least start bending something.... > > chris ambrose > m3x/jab > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262863#262863 > > Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >= > > > Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by get='_new'>Get it now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:39 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Washing a FireFly with VG's The first couple of times I cleaned the FireFly, I used too much water. I asked my hangar mate how he kept his little Cessna so bright and clean. He showed me a spray water bottle and a roll of paper towels. I adopted his technique and it works out very well. For the wing I spray an area that covers my reach from three step stool. Then I use a square paper towel folded into quarters, and sop up the water and dust. Then I spray the area again and unfold the towel to expose the inside surfaces and mop up the water an the remaining dust. Then I discard the towel, move the stool and start again. One has to be a little careful around the vg's but it is easy to clean around them with a folded towel while holding the vg down with one finger. On the tail surfaces that receive a little oil spatter, I spray the affected areas with a green cleaner before the water. And then I use the same process on the tail. Overall I can clean the FireFly with less that two dozen paper towels and less than a pint of water. FWIW Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN -----Original Message----- From: zeprep251@aol.com Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at onlyinternet.net Mike , They certainly are a giant pain when you clean your aircraft. G.Aman ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators From: "Thom Riddle" I went to the airport today and installed my VGs made of flashing aluminum. I taped them on to the wings only, using black electrical tape over the center section between the vanes, 6.5 " aft of leading edge to the peak (aft part) of the VGs. That turns out to be 8.5" measured along the curvature of the upper camber. I used 23 pair (I use the term pair because they are double vaned with an included angle of 30 degrees) on each of my short wings (span is 22') spaced evenly one pair in the valley between each rib and false rib, for a total of 46 pair. My ribs and false ribs are spaced on 4" centers so my VGs are spaced 4" on centers. I stopped just outside of the prop circle so there are none from the fuselage centerline outwards for about 3' on each wing. I made these many years ago for my early FS and later removed them. I had them installed much further back on the FS and it decreased the stall speed a good bit but at that location on my FS the stall became a little too abrupt for my tastes. The design was copied from someone's design posted on this list more than once. It was too windy to fly today to get reliable speeds so I can't yet report the results, but will at the first opportunity. I don't know if any SS flyer has ever installed VGs on an SS so this should be interesting. I'll be checking powered required (rpm) at my normal cruise speed too to see if there is noticable degradation in airspeed at my normal cruise power setting. Stay tuned. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262960#262960 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:53 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed Beauford/Gang: Took the words right out of my mouth. When the air gets rough enough to be uncomfortable in my mkIII, I automatically reduce power and airspeed to compensate. I have a maneuver speed arc on my ASI, but don't need to look at it. ;-) john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- when the air gets rough enough to be looking for maneuvering speed in a Kolb, you'll likely be lucky to keep the needle bounce within 5 mph anyway... my opinion...worth what ye paid fer it... beauford ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:54 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed when the air gets rough enough to be looking for maneuvering speed in a Kolb, you'll likely be lucky to keep the needle bounce within 5 mph anyway... my opinion...worth what ye paid fer it... beauford FF-076 Brandon FL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time I needed maneuvering speed this spring.. The air speed indicator was bouncing back and forth between 40 and 90 several times before we got out of the rough air. I was too busy flying,,, but I honestly thing that the gps would have shown very little change. I don't want to experience that again to find out. Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: got a little wet From: "dalewhelan" rain before sunset Wish I knew how to shrink the photo -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263007#263007 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02329_264.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Arial rainbow From: "dalewhelan" This is near Pleasant Valley Airport (P48) Peoria, Az -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263008#263008 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02330_155.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: got a little wet From: "Thom Riddle" Don't Windows PCs come with image editing software? Surely they must, no? Perhaps some Windows savvy Kolber can point you to an easy to use image editing freeware that will work on your PC. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263011#263011 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:51 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Arial rainbow Dale=2C Please call me=2C and I'll see if I can help you reduce the image file si zes of your photos. I have to do it occationally. Mike Welch 573-480-9802 > Subject: Kolb-List: Arial rainbow > From: dalewhelan@earthlink.net > Date: Mon=2C 14 Sep 2009 13:34:48 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > This is near Pleasant Valley Airport (P48) Peoria=2C Az > > -------- > Dale Whelan > 503 powered Firestar II > Projection=2C A simple and interesting Psychological concept > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263008#263008 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02330_155.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:33 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Three Forks of the Owyhee Gang, As you know by now, John Hauck has been here for his annual get dirty time of the year where we do on the ground what we do from the air in the spring at our annual Kolb Fly in at the Rock House.. I scouted from the Firestar a route down into the Three Forks area. John has flown over it every time that he goes home in the spring and wanted to put some boots on the ground for a change. I have a blog that I created for my family and friends that are interested in the things that I do here in this fantastic area, that covers every thing from my flights to hunting with my hawks, and the trip that I take here. You are welcome to look through it, but not obligated. http://owyheeflyer.blogspot.com/ Larry C ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: got a little wet From: Richard Girard Dale, get Irfanview. It's free from Tucows and other download sites. Here is you photo at various sizes. All three done in about as many minutes. Rick On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:32 PM, dalewhelan wrote: > > rain before sunset > Wish I knew how to shrink the photo > > -------- > Dale Whelan > 503 powered Firestar II > Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263007#263007 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02329_264.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: got a little wet From: Richard Girard Or you can do effects. Rick On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Dale, get Irfanview. It's free from Tucows and other download sites. Here > is you photo at various sizes. All three done in about as many minutes. > Rick > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:32 PM, dalewhelan wrote: > >> >> rain before sunset >> Wish I knew how to shrink the photo >> >> -------- >> Dale Whelan >> 503 powered Firestar II >> Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263007#263007 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02329_264.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: got a little wet From: Richard Girard Or be Dave Bowman falling into the monolith. Rick Girard On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Or you can do effects. > Rick > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > >> Dale, get Irfanview. It's free from Tucows and other download sites. Here >> is you photo at various sizes. All three done in about as many minutes. >> Rick >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:32 PM, dalewhelan wrote: >> >>> >>> rain before sunset >>> Wish I knew how to shrink the photo >>> >>> -------- >>> Dale Whelan >>> 503 powered Firestar II >>> Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263007#263007 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02329_264.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: got a little wet From: "Jimmy Young" In the menu settings for most digital cameras is an image mode option. Yours is probably set to a high quality setting right now. Change it to a "PC screen" 1074 x 768 pixel setting and they will be good for email or websites. -------- Jimmy Young FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263040#263040 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:31 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Kolb-List: rainy, too It was raining around my airport on Sunday, but I managed to avoid these localized showers, one of them smack dab in the middle of this image. If you look closely, about 75% of the way to the right, you'll see downtown Houston on the horizon. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:30 PM PST US From: "Thumb" Subject: Kolb-List: Thunder Storms Hello Kolbers,, Here is some pictures of what a little summer storm looks like in Fla. My good friend and I had flown up to Crystal River Fl .He flew his flight star and I had my Mk111xtra. About 10 minutes after lift off to return to Brooksville this is the first storm we saw, went around that one but there was 3 more of them. By the time we got back to Brooksville we could only see half of the airport, the other half of the field was solid rain and you could not see the other side of the field. Poor planning on our part, you have to watch these storms down here they can come up in a hurry. 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