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1. 01:22 AM - Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed (David Lucas)
2. 09:58 AM - Cuyuna EGT (Dana Hague)
3. 10:10 AM - Firestar vs Ultrastar (Dana Hague)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar (Robert Laird)
5. 11:12 AM - Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar (Jack B. Hart)
6. 11:12 AM - Cuyuna EGT (Jack B. Hart)
7. 12:44 PM - Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar (Richard Pike)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: GPS question (Watkinsdw)
9. 01:50 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle)
10. 02:03 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (Watkinsdw)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar (Beauford T)
12. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: GPS question (possums)
13. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: GPS question (Mike Welch)
14. 02:52 PM - Re: Cuyuna EGT (Dana Hague)
15. 03:17 PM - Modern GPSes (Mike Welch)
16. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: GPS question (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
17. 03:47 PM - Kolb homecoming (Jon LaVasseur)
18. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar (robert bean)
19. 04:48 PM - Re: Cuyuna EGT (John Hauck)
20. 05:17 PM - Re: Cuyuna EGT (Dana Hague)
21. 05:43 PM - Re: Cuyuna EGT (robert bean)
22. 06:09 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (John Hauck)
23. 06:19 PM - Re: Cuyuna EGT (Dana Hague)
24. 06:31 PM - Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub (Richard Girard)
25. 06:40 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (Mike Welch)
26. 06:44 PM - Maneuvering speed (Richard Girard)
27. 06:53 PM - Re: Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub (robert bean)
28. 07:00 PM - 196 vs 296 (Richard Girard)
29. 07:02 PM - Re: Maneuvering speed (Richard Pike)
30. 07:18 PM - Re: Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub (Richard Girard)
31. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Maneuvering speed (Richard Girard)
32. 07:47 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (John Hauck)
33. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Maneuvering speed (John Hauck)
34. 07:48 PM - Re: 196 vs 296 (Mike Welch)
35. 07:48 PM - Re: Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub (robert bean)
36. 07:50 PM - Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar (JetPilot)
37. 08:07 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (Mike Welch)
38. 08:41 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (Mike Welch)
39. 08:57 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (John Hauck)
40. 09:09 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (John Hauck)
41. 09:20 PM - Re: Modern GPSes (robert bean)
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| Subject: | Re: VGs and Manuvering Speed |
> Will the addition of vortex generators lower my maneuvering speed?
I read an article about this some time back. It was an AvWeb article back in 1997
that I'd saved to a 'safe place'. So safe it's taken me until now to find it
[Embarassed]
Here's the reference; http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182564-1.html
About three quarters of the way down the article it covers this point starting
with; . . . . "Another question that has come up frequently is whether the addition
of vortex generators has an adverse effect on Design Maneuvering Speed (Va).
" . . . . and the next 4 paragraphs go on to discuss the issue. It's a good
read.
Basically, and referring to certified aircraft, Va (maneuvering speed) is a formula
derived figure based on Vs (stall speed). It is a theoretical figure and
is not flight tested or verified for certification. But if the stall speed goes
down then the maneuvering speed also goes down too. However, from a certification
viewpoint, there is no requirement to revise the Va figure downwards after
the installation of VG's . . . . So they don't.
So the answer to your question is; Yes . . . .Sort of !
David.
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Here's something I haven't seen addressed anywhere.
The Cuyuna manual gives 1200=B0F as the "best power" EGT and 1275=B0 as the
never exceed. On my UltraStar, I shoot for no more than 1200 during
static runup (and I do a static runup until EGT stabilizes as part of every
preflight). 1150 is typical, which gives me a safe buffer for EGT gague
error, etc.
At cruise power, however (55-5800 rpm), the EGT is a bit higher, right
around 1200. If I drop the needle one notch (the clip is currently in the
second highest notch), the engine has a tendency to bog and in some cases
it's reluctant to increase to full RPM from cruise. It seems to be happy
where it is.
I know the EGT should climb when you slightly close the throttle from wide
open, as the needle drops, but is it normal (or desirable) to have the
cruise EGT higher than full throttle? At slower midrange settings (<5000
rpm) the EGT drops as I'd expect.
About my only complaint with the engine is the
mmmmmMMMMMmmmmmMMMMMmmmmmMMMM between 5000-5500 rpm, which I attribute to
exhaust/prop interference (2:1 reduction less normal belt slippage).
ULII-02, correctly propped (Culver 50X30, 6500 static rpm), Mikuni VM-32
carb.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Firestar vs Ultrastar |
I flew my buddy's Firestar II for the first time yesterday. I was
expecting it to fly much like my UltraStar, oh, a little faster and heavier
of course, but I was surprised at how different it was. In particular I
was surprised how very heavy the ailerons are. I could get to really
liking the FS, particularly the performance (even with his rather tired 503
compared to my Cuyuna), but I can also see why a number of people have
described the US as being the best handling of the bunch.
I'm now curious, where does the Firefly fit in in the handling
spectrum? Light like the US or more like the FS which it resembles?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar |
In my experience, the Firefly is lighter than the Firestar, but the FS's
weren't exactly heavy!
I've not flown a US, so maybe Mr. Hauck will have to chime in.
-- Robert
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> I flew my buddy's Firestar II for the first time yesterday. I was
> expecting it to fly much like my UltraStar, oh, a little faster and heavier
> of course, but I was surprised at how *different* it was. In particular I
> was surprised how very heavy the ailerons are. I could get to really liking
> the FS, particularly the performance (even with his rather tired 503
> compared to my Cuyuna), but I can also see why a number of people have
> described the US as being the best handling of the bunch.
>
> I'm now curious, where does the Firefly fit in in the handling spectrum?
> Light like the US or more like the FS which it resembles?
>
> -Dana
> --
> Growing old is inevitable, but we can stay immature indefinitely.
>
> *
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar |
>
I'm now curious, where does the Firefly fit in in the handling spectrum?
Light like the US or more like the FS which it resembles?
>
Dana,
When my FireFly had the original long chord ailerons, they were almost
impossible to deflect at cruise speeds. It made cross country flying in
rough air a terror and guaranteed a sore shoulder. Made it impossible to
land in gusty cross winds.
After reducing my ailerons to a nine inch chord and modifying the linkages,
one can deflect the ailerons at any speed with two fingers. No problems
keeping the wings level in rough air.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
>
About my only complaint with the engine is the mmmmmMMMMMmmmmmMMMMMmmmmmMMMM
between 5000-5500 rpm, which I attribute to exhaust/prop interference (2:1
reduction less normal belt slippage).
>
Dana,
I had a similar problem with the FireFly, until I streamlined my struts. It
stiffened them and they stopped strumming.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar |
[quote="Dana"]I flew my buddy's Firestar II for the first time yesterday. I was
expecting it to fly much like my UltraStar, oh, a little faster and heavier
of course, but I was surprised at how different it was. In particular I was surprised
how very heavy the ailerons are. I could get to really liking the FS,
particularly the performance (even with his rather tired 503 compared to my
Cuyuna), but I can also see why a number of people have described the US as being
the best handling of the bunch.
I'm now curious, where does the Firefly fit in in the handling spectrum? Light
like the US or more like the FS which it resembles?
-Dana
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> [b]
I agree that the stock FSII has heavy ailerons. Here is what we did to lighten
them up:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20ailerons.html
Not sure about a Firefly, ask Beauford... he'll tell you, and it will be worth
what ya paid for it...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: GPS question |
Hi, Guys,
I have a Garmin 196 and it's worked well for me for years. I've been tempted to
upgrade to the color 296, but it is reputed to eat batteries to power that nice
display. Now in my Kolb, I've got it wired to the ship's battery, so power
is no longer a problem.
What I'd like to gain, is better depiction of airspace. My 196 just gives little
dotted lines for Class D. I can't remember for sure, but the Class C might
be solid lines. With all the rest of the clutter it would be nice if the airspace
were depicted more distinctly like in a special color, since in S. Florida,
there's a LOT of airspace to avoid.
Can anyone tell me if the 296 addresses this issue?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
I had a chance to fly this morning with the VGs installed as stated in my previous
post. Partial results follow:
Before VGs
Clean stall break at 45 mph indicated.
Cruise speed (TAS) 80 mph at 3,000' Density Altitude at 2,640 rpm which is about
62-63% power.
After VGs on wings only, as described previously.
I ran out of nose up elevator at 42 mph IAS with plenty of roll control available.
I'll have to install VGs under horizontal stabilizer to hopefully get more
elevator function at high AOA so I can find out the new actual stall speed.
I did my normal cruise speed upwind/downwind average at 2,640 rpm today and got
61.4 mph upwind and 98.4 mph downwind for an average of 79.9 mph with VGs. Before
I was getting 80 mph at that rpm. BUT today's test was at 1,800' DA (overcast
would not let me climb higher) and earlier test was at 3,000' DA. Because
of the difference in DA the two cruise speeds are not directly comparable but
they are close, probably within 1 mph of the same at the same DA. I will test
again, hopefully at 3,000' DA after I get the HS VGs installed.
Conclusions so far:
My home-made VGs located about 3/8" further back than the recommended 10% of chord,
definitely reduces the stall speed and apparently results in only a relatively
minor reduction in cruise speed at a given engine rpm. I will add the horizontal
stabilizer VGs with hopes of gaining a bit more nose up pitch to get
an actual stall break at some speed slower than 42 mph.
Subjective results:
Excellent roll control at slowest attainable speed of 42 mph IAS. Softer, slower
landing speed with tendency for tail to touchdown first at this slower speed
with higher AOA. That will require slight modification of my landing technique
to avoid tail first touch-downs. The electrical tape held the VGs on without
a problem at 80 mph cruise speed.
My home-made VGs are staying on this airplane! The SS is a fine handling airplane
without VGs but better still, in my opinion, with them.
Stay tuned for further updates when the VG installation is complete.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
Glad they're working out for you, Thom!
Enjoy,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar |
.----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Not sure about a Firefly, ask Beauford... he'll tell you, and it will be worth
what ya paid for it...
---------------------------
....er...whut...? Hello....?
...oh yeah, ailerons.....firefly...
I still have the original big 'ol 15 inch chord ailerons on mine... heavy...
Because of them, I would not characterize the control harmony on the Kleenex Kolb
as even "good"... but, like most airplanes, have found that if one flys it a
while, one adjusts and pretty much forgets about the problem. First time out can
be entertaining, though... I once let the late Skip Staub, a friend from this
List with thousands of hours in everything from Ultrastars to F-8 Crusaders take
the K-Kolb for a spin... he made one abbreviated circuit of the strip and brought
it back... "The damned ailerons are locked" he solemnly announced...
On the other hand, I suspect that extra wing area helps the stall and
ground-effect performance when they are drooped... but if I weren't so lazy, I'd
likely make a skinnier set for it... mebbe 10 inch...
....worth somewhat less than what ye paid fer it...
beauford
FF-076
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| Subject: | Re: GPS question |
At 04:36 PM 9/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>Hi, Guys,
>I have a Garmin 196 and it's worked well for me for years. I've been
>tempted to upgrade to the color 296, but it is reputed to eat
>batteries to power that nice display. Now in my Kolb, I've got it
>wired to the ship's battery, so power is no longer a problem.
>What I'd like to gain, is better depiction of airspace. My 196 just
>gives little dotted lines for Class D. I can't remember for sure,
>but the Class C might be solid lines. With all the rest of the
>clutter it would be nice if the airspace were depicted more
>distinctly like in a special color, since in S. Florida, there's a
>LOT of airspace to avoid.
>Can anyone tell me if the 296 addresses this issue?
>Dave
Check it out
http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPSMAP296_PilotsGuide.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: GPS question |
Dave=2C
I highly recommend you visit the Garmin website=2C and view their "featur
es" that they have for the 296.
I copied and pasted the following typical screen sample for you. Yes=2C
the view looks just like their sample.
The Garmin 296 has the Jeppesen data base for it's navigation basemaps.
Check out the following:
http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/site/us/support/searchsupport?search_key
=GPSMAP 296
Here is the sample screen view:
Btw=2C I have a great way to keep from worrying about using up your batte
ries. Send me an email=2C and I'll let you knoiw.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: GPS question
> From: david.watkins0@gmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 16 Sep 2009 13:36:43 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hi=2C Guys=2C
> I have a Garmin 196 and it's worked well for me for years. I've been temp
ted to upgrade to the color 296=2C but it is reputed to eat batteries to po
wer that nice display. Now in my Kolb=2C I've got it wired to the ship's ba
ttery=2C so power is no longer a problem.
> What I'd like to gain=2C is better depiction of airspace. My 196 just giv
es little dotted lines for Class D. I can't remember for sure=2C but the Cl
ass C might be solid lines. With all the rest of the clutter it would be ni
ce if the airspace were depicted more distinctly like in a special color=2C
since in S. Florida=2C there's a LOT of airspace to avoid.
> Can anyone tell me if the 296 addresses this issue?
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263382#263382
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At 03:19 PM 9/16/2009, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>-
>I had a similar problem with the FireFly, until I streamlined my struts. It
>stiffened them and they stopped strumming.
In my case I don't think it's the struts, as I can reach back and grab them
while flying with no effect. I'm retty sure it's the exhaust/prop interaction.
-Dana
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Dave=2C
It is time to move up to the newer 296. It's hard to put all the feature
s of a color GPS in a basic reply such as this=2C but the advancement diffe
rences between the 196 and 296 are huge!!
How about color?? What is really difficult to put into words is the way
a color screen augments your enjoyment of navigating with it.
Example: As you are flying along=2C winding your way through a wide rive
r gorge=2C ALL surrounding terrain that is your elevation=2C or higher turn
s RED!! So=2C even if your were to encounter fog=2C or smoke=2C or whateve
r=2C you can see which direction to keep the plane pointed.
Plus=2C if you climb out of the gorge=2C you'll see the surrounding terrain
return to it's proper green/brown color=2C indicating you are no longer in
danger of having a dirt sandwich.
I have flown two 900 mile cross-country flights. The first was with my o
ld Garmin 95XL. I lost GPS coverage briefly=2C due to turbulence. It was
"okay". Just okay!
The second CC trip was with my 296. Night and day difference!!! The new
one has many=2C many features that make navigation 100th the challenge it
used to be. ("challenge" is an affectionate term. It's usually a blast to
fly=2C but it also requires some work. The 296 makes the "work" fun.)
I'd like to point out the obvious. I NEVER=2C NEVER rely on just a GPS f
or navigation. I also plot my routes the old fashioned way=2C with Jep cha
rts and a watch=2C etc=2C etc=2C etc. Too important to leave up to just on
e "tool".
Again=2C I point out my experiences are with Garmin products. I recogniz
e there are many other fine GPSes=2C although may not be quite as popular a
s the industry leader. Most of the top selling models of many brands would
be a great idea.
Best regards=2C Mike Welch
PS. There are usually several used 296's on eBay. A lot of guys move up t
o the 396 and 496=2C etc. Perfect condition used ones go for about $600=2C
the last time I looked. Worth checking out......
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| Subject: | Re: GPS question |
I use the 295 and there is a Green ring around the airspace and when you move your
cursor inside it it will pop up a label telling you what the evevations are
for that particular airspace
Ellery in MAINE?getting ready for some cool fall flying?
-----Original Message-----
From: Watkinsdw <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 4:36 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: GPS question
Hi, Guys,
I have a Garmin 196 and it's worked well for me for years. I've been tempted to
upgrade to the color 296, but it is reputed to eat batteries to power that nice
display. Now in my Kolb, I've got it wired to the ship's battery, so power is no
longer a problem.
What I'd like to gain, is better depiction of airspace. My 196 just gives little
dotted lines for Class D. I can't remember for sure, but the Class C might be
solid lines. With all the rest of the clutter it would be nice if the airspace
were depicted more distinctly like in a special color, since in S. Florida,
there's a LOT of airspace to avoid.
Can anyone tell me if the 296 addresses this issue?
Dave
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Is there going to be an event at London, Ky this fall? If so what date(s)?
Jon L
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar |
Beauford, maybe bungees pulling BOTH ways on the stick? :)
BB
On 16, Sep 2009, at 4:35 PM, Beauford T wrote:
> <beauford173@verizon.net>
>
>
> .----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>
> Not sure about a Firefly, ask Beauford... he'll tell you, and it
> will be worth
> what ya paid for it...
> ---------------------------
> ....er...whut...? Hello....?
>
> ...oh yeah, ailerons.....firefly...
>
> I still have the original big 'ol 15 inch chord ailerons on mine...
> heavy...
> Because of them, I would not characterize the control harmony on
> the Kleenex Kolb
> as even "good"... but, like most airplanes, have found that if
> one flys it a
> while, one adjusts and pretty much forgets about the problem.
> First time out can
> be entertaining, though... I once let the late Skip Staub, a
> friend from this
> List with thousands of hours in everything from Ultrastars to F-8
> Crusaders take
> the K-Kolb for a spin... he made one abbreviated circuit of the
> strip and brought
> it back... "The damned ailerons are locked" he solemnly announced...
>
> On the other hand, I suspect that extra wing area helps the stall and
> ground-effect performance when they are drooped... but if I weren't
> so lazy, I'd
> likely make a skinnier set for it... mebbe 10 inch...
>
> ....worth somewhat less than what ye paid fer it...
>
> beauford
> FF-076
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>
>
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>
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Dana/Gang:
EGT sounds about like I would want my ULII02 to operate, if I can
remember correctly after 24 years.
Also, the ULII02 is transitioning from being "off the pipe" to "coming
on the pipe" at rpm between 5,000 and 5,000. Mine would never settle
down in this rpm range. I usually flew at 5,800 rpm cross country, and
any rpm when I was playing, and I played a lot with my Ultrastar!
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon - Just in from fishing the Owyhee and bring home the
small mouth bass and blue cat fish.
About my only complaint with the engine is the
mmmmmMMMMMmmmmmMMMMMmmmmmMMMM between 5000-5500 rpm, which I attribute
to exhaust/prop interference (2:1 reduction less normal belt slippage).
ULII-02, correctly propped (Culver 50X30, 6500 static rpm), Mikuni
VM-32 carb.
-Dana
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At 07:35 PM 9/16/2009, John Hauck wrote:
>Dana/Gang:
>
>EGT sounds about like I would want my ULII02 to operate, if I can remember
>correctly after 24 years.
>
>Also, the ULII02 is transitioning from being "off the pipe" to "coming on
>the pipe" at rpm between 5,000 and 5,000. Mine would never settle down in
>this rpm range. I usually flew at 5,800 rpm cross country, and any rpm
>when I was playing, and I played a lot with my Ultrastar!
Sounds good. It "feels" right, but I wanted to compare my numbers with
others. Same here, it doesn't like to hold an rpm between 5-5500. Doesn't
really look like any kind of tuned exhaust, though, unless there's a
diverging/converging setup inside the muffler.
I "play" less than I'd like to, due to the age of the airframe and the fact
that I personally didn't build it. The aerobatic ultralight I'm designing
now will take care of that urge, though... :)
-Dana
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Tell us about the new project.
BB
On 16, Sep 2009, at 8:09 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 07:35 PM 9/16/2009, John Hauck wrote:
>> Dana/Gang:
>>
>> EGT sounds about like I would want my ULII02 to operate, if I can
>> remember correctly after 24 years.
>>
>> Also, the ULII02 is transitioning from being "off the pipe" to
>> "coming on the pipe" at rpm between 5,000 and 5,000. Mine would
>> never settle down in this rpm range. I usually flew at 5,800 rpm
>> cross country, and any rpm when I was playing, and I played a lot
>> with my Ultrastar!
>
> Sounds good. It "feels" right, but I wanted to compare my numbers
> with others. Same here, it doesn't like to hold an rpm between
> 5-5500. Doesn't really look like any kind of tuned exhaust,
> though, unless there's a diverging/converging setup inside the
> muffler.
>
> I "play" less than I'd like to, due to the age of the airframe and
> the fact that I personally didn't build it. The aerobatic
> ultralight I'm designing now will take care of that urge, though... :)
>
> -Dana
> --
> People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Modern GPSes |
I bought my 196 when they first came out. Made a lot of flights with
it, in my mkIII, all over the North American Continent. It does
everything I need to navigate, plus a lot of stuff I don't use.
It has triple capability, Air, Land, Sea. Have not used it in the Sea
mode, but have tried to wear it out in the Air and Land modes.
I paid 830.00, Sun and Fun Special, for my 196. Worth every penny of
it.
Now days you can pick up a new one cheap, or find a used or refurbished
one even cheaper.
The 296 has a few more bells and whistles than the 196, but some how I
have learned to live without them.
I have had two other Garmin Aviation GPS's, my first a 55AVD which took
me to Dead Horse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, and around the border of the
Continental US, and my second, a used 95XL that took me to Point Barrow,
AK, back to Oshkosh, WI, and home to Alabama.
All that flying without color display too.
How much turbulence is required to lose GPS coverage?
john h
mkIII
It is time to move up to the newer 296. Best regards, Mike Welch
PS. There are usually several used 296's on eBay. A lot of guys move
up to the 396 and 496, etc. Perfect condition used ones go for about
$600, the last time I looked. Worth checking out......
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At 08:42 PM 9/16/2009, robert bean wrote:
>Tell us about the new project.
>BB
Well, this is not Kolb related, so sorry, John, and do not archive... :)
The only ultralight I know of that was really designed for acro was the
Quicksilver Super, and it's... well... a Quicksilver (and really doesn't
make 103 weight). Besides, they're _really_ rare.
Mine will sort of resemble an early Curtiss Pusher, though it's not
intended to be any kind of historical replica. Biplane for strength and
roll rate, pusher for comfort (no windshield!). 447 or maybe a Kaw 440
with a pumper carb, semi-symmetrical airfoil so I can fly inverted,
taildragger (unlike the Curtiss, 'cuz I prefer taildraggers). Aluminum
wings/tail with Stits and steel tube forward fuselage like a Kolb (OK, it's
sorta Kolb related!) At this point I'm still doing the very preliminary
design and doodling construction details... other projects (like home
repairs) have to happen first if I want to stay married, and I do... it'll
be a few years before I actually start construction.
-Dana
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When Columbus came to America, there were no taxes, no debts, and no
pollution. The women did all the work while the men hunted or fished all
day. Ever since then, a bunch of idiotic do-gooders have been trying to
"improve" the place.
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| Subject: | Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub |
Okay, I've done the 2 blade vs 3 blade experiment and I'm not going to use
the 2 blade hub. Warp Drive wants $225, yours for $150 plus shipping. This
hub fits both 75mm Rotax 2 strokes and 912 / 914 with drive lugs.
Rick Girard
do not archive
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John H=2C
I knew you'd chime in about how well your 196 has served you. You might
have noticed I didn't put it down. But=2C the fact of the matter is=2C the
296 has a heck of a lot more to it than just color=2C or bells and whistle
s. (although the color alone is a biggie)
Maybe Garmin should not waste their time on any new models.
How much turbulence does it take to knock out coverage (on a 95XL)? Don'
t exactly know. I guess the amount I flew through.
You may rest assured you can live without the bells and whistles of a new
er 296. It=2C like VGs=2C is a personal decision every pilot gets to make
their own mind about.
Mike Welch
MkIIICX
From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Modern GPSes
I bought my 196 when they first came out. Made a lot of flights with it=2C
in my mkIII=2C all over the North American Continent. It does everything
I need to navigate=2C plus a lot of stuff I don't use.
It has triple capability=2C Air=2C Land=2C Sea. Have not used it in the Se
a mode=2C but have tried to wear it out in the Air and Land modes.
I paid 830.00=2C Sun and Fun Special=2C for my 196. Worth every penny of i
t.
Now days you can pick up a new one cheap=2C or find a used or refurbished o
ne even cheaper.
The 296 has a few more bells and whistles than the 196=2C but some how I ha
ve learned to live without them.
I have had two other Garmin Aviation GPS's=2C my first a 55AVD which took m
e to Dead Horse/Prudhoe Bay=2C Alaska=2C and around the border of the Conti
nental US=2C and my second=2C a used 95XL that took me to Point Barrow=2C A
K=2C back to Oshkosh=2C WI=2C and home to Alabama.
All that flying without color display too.
How much turbulence is required to lose GPS coverage?
john h
mkIII
It is time to move up to the newer 296. Best regards=2C Mike Welch
PS. There are usually several used 296's on eBay. A lot of guys move up t
o the 396 and 496=2C etc. Perfect condition used ones go for about $600=2C
the last time I looked. Worth checking out......
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| Subject: | Maneuvering speed |
I remembered reading these after the Airbus Crash on Long Island. Since some
of you guys repeated the old myths about Va, I thought you might be
interested.
http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=527
http://www.flyingmag.com/accidents/545/aa587-the-perils-of-flying-by-the-book.html
Good read, food for thought.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub |
Rick, tell us what you found. Noise? vibration? lack of total thrust?
BB
On 16, Sep 2009, at 9:30 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Okay, I've done the 2 blade vs 3 blade experiment and I'm not going
> to use the 2 blade hub. Warp Drive wants $225, yours for $150 plus
> shipping. This hub fits both 75mm Rotax 2 strokes and 912 / 914
> with drive lugs.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
>
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Just as Mike W's response to John H's response to....? came in, the banner
over my Inbox declared that according to the Discovery Channel "Monkeys have
been cured of Color Blindness". Now I think this is a perfect opportunity
for someone wanting to pick up a good used 196, since all those previously
color blind monkeys will surely want to upgrade. I can just see the eBay
header now. I don't know if I'd believe the claim about the GPS never being
exposed to pooh throwing as monkeys, even color blind ones, are known for
such activity and when they're navigating from tree to tree and a pooh fight
breaks out, well even the best protected unit will probably get a splash or
two. I have heard that the Discovery Channel will do a special about color
blind pilots cleaning monkey pooh from Garmin products and all the pitfalls
thereof, but this is most likely just a rumor.Weather is finally clearing
out and I'm just a little giddy about going flying in the morning, that's
all.
Ya'll have fun out there,
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Maneuvering speed |
[quote="aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com"]I remembered reading these after the Airbus Crash
on Long Island. Since some of you guys repeated the old myths about Va, I thought
you might be interested.
http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=527 (http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=527)
http://www.flyingmag.com/accidents/545/aa587-the-perils-of-flying-by-the-book.html (http://www.flyingmag.com/accidents/545/aa587-the-perils-of-flying-by-the-book.html)
Good read, food for thought.
Rick Girard
> [b]
I think I'll keep off (and keep my family off) Airbus A300's.
And as far as Va on the MKIII? When it get's horribly trashy, I fly around 50 anyway,
so it's all good.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub |
I didn't notice any difference in climb or cruise and I like the looks of
the 3 blade better. The two blade may have had an advantage in length of
glide while on approach with the throttle at idle, but I really wouldn't
want to make that claim. It was a little windy and very cross yesterday. I'd
keep the hub and experiment more, but I have a hangar full of stuff from
that kind of thinking. My Icom A-22 won't transmit with the headset adapter
and I've promised myself a new A-14 for my birthday next month so the hub
goes. :-)
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Rick, tell us what you found. Noise? vibration? lack of total thrust?BB
>
> On 16, Sep 2009, at 9:30 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> Okay, I've done the 2 blade vs 3 blade experiment and I'm not going to use
> the 2 blade hub. Warp Drive wants $225, yours for $150 plus shipping. This
> hub fits both 75mm Rotax 2 strokes and 912 / 914 with drive lugs.
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maneuvering speed |
I'm a two time Boeing employee and I'd go back for a third time in a hot
minute if asked, so I'm not exactly unbiased, but the tails don't fall off,
the computer doesn't tell the pilot what he can or can't have in an
emergency and the pitot tubes have never failed on a Boeing either, to my
knowledge. It may take throwing away two to build one, but the end result is
a darn good airplane. I wonder how many Airbuses (Airbeese?) will be around
after 50 years like the KC-135 and the B-52.Okay, I shouldn't have started
in. It just makes me mad when I think about our Air Force buying Airbus
tankers.
Rick Girard
It better be Boeing or I ain't going
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
> [quote="aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com"]I remembered reading these after the
> Airbus Crash on Long Island. Since some of you guys repeated the old myths
> about Va, I thought you might be interested.
>
> http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=527 (
> http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=527)
>
>
> http://www.flyingmag.com/accidents/545/aa587-the-perils-of-flying-by-the-book.html(
> http://www.flyingmag.com/accidents/545/aa587-the-perils-of-flying-by-the-book.html
> )
>
>
> Good read, food for thought.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
> I think I'll keep off (and keep my family off) Airbus A300's.
> And as far as Va on the MKIII? When it get's horribly trashy, I fly around
> 50 anyway, so it's all good.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263443#263443
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Modern GPSes |
Mike W/Gang:
Shucks!
Figured everyone on the List is entitled to their own opinion. You
shared yours, and I shared mine.
I also figured folks should know the 196 is not prehistoric, but a good
reliable, well proven piece of equipment.
Like all the equipment on my airplanes and my person, I try to keep
things simple, in order to suscessfully complete my flights and enjoy
them at the same time.
Did you know my avionics package consist of the cheapest, smallest
handheld radio sold by ICOM? That little A3 and my 196 are the extent
of my avionics package. Those two little items are all I need to do
some serious cross country flying.
I want to impress on the members of this List that a lot of expensive
equipment is not necessary in order to go out and have good, fun, safe
flying, locally, or across the country, or internationally.
My flying buddy, John Williamson, flew with a 296. He liked it. I used
to play with his 296, and enjoyed the features it had that my grey scale
196 did not have. However, those features were not necessary to help me
make successful long cross country flights.
Oh...I think Garmin should still continue to produce newer and better
models. Don't think I insinuated they shouldn't.
Color is great. I have a 60cx color map on my Honda Rincon. Works
great and I love the color. Easy to see in direct sunlight. I use it
every time I ride. I used it today riding to the Owyhee River Canyon to
fish.
Someone on the Kolb List informed us of losing GPS coverage because of
turbulence some years ago. Personally, I seriously doubt turbulence has
anything to do with GPS reception, but I could be wrong.
How did you know it was turbulence that caused lose of GPS reception?
BTW: The 296 is only a tad newer than the 196. I can't remember when
it came on the market, but it was very shortly after the 196. It is
also old technology, like my GPS, but I am sure it still kicks ass.
john h - Who can see his little 60cx color map in the desert sun of SE
Oregon.
MKIII
I knew you'd chime in about how well your 196 has served you. You
might have noticed I didn't put it down. But, the fact of the matter
is, the 296 has a heck of a lot more to it than just color, or bells and
whistles. (although the color alone is a biggie)
Maybe Garmin should not waste their time on any new models.
How much turbulence does it take to knock out coverage (on a 95XL)?
Don't exactly know. I guess the amount I flew through.
You may rest assured you can live without the bells and whistles of
a newer 296. It, like VGs, is a personal decision every pilot gets to
make their own mind about.
Mike Welch
MkIIICX
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| Subject: | Re: Maneuvering speed |
> And as far as Va on the MKIII? When it get's horribly trashy, I fly
around 50 anyway, so it's all good.
>
> Richard Pike
I'm with you, Rev/Gang:
As I shared the other day, when it is rough enough for Maneuver Speed, I am
automatically there in my mkIII.
john h
mkIII
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Rick=2C
Now=2C I'm stumped. The monkeys have been cured of their color-blindness
indicates they were once color-blind. How did they cure them? Feed them
Crayolas? Make them walk through Golden Gate Park=2C and look at the hippi
es? Hypnosis?
I don't think the monkeys were ever color-blind at all! I think they saw
color and only acted like they were color-blind=2C and now they changed th
eir minds to pretend to be cured. Some kind of government run medical prog
ram.
Besides=2C I guess if the monkeys can upgrade to new color GPSes=2C I gue
ss it's alright for some of us=2C too.
Mike Welch
Do Not Archive
Subject: Kolb-List: 196 vs 296
From: aslsa.rng@gmail.com
Just as Mike W's response to John H's response to....? came in=2C the banne
r over my Inbox declared that according to the Discovery Channel "Monkeys h
ave been cured of Color Blindness". Now I think this is a perfect opportuni
ty for someone wanting to pick up a good used 196=2C since all those previo
usly color blind monkeys will surely want to upgrade. I can just see the eB
ay header now. I don't know if I'd believe the claim about the GPS never be
ing exposed to pooh throwing as monkeys=2C even color blind ones=2C are kno
wn for such activity and when they're navigating from tree to tree and a po
oh fight breaks out=2C well even the best protected unit will probably get
a splash or two.
I have heard that the Discovery Channel will do a special about color blind
pilots cleaning monkey pooh from Garmin products and all the pitfalls ther
eof=2C but this is most likely just a rumor.
Weather is finally clearing out and I'm just a little giddy about going fly
ing in the morning=2C that's all.
Ya'll have fun out there=2C
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive HPL 2 blade hub |
Looks? How about the pilot? I gave up in that department a few
years back.
BB
Gabby Hayes look-alike
On 16, Sep 2009, at 10:06 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> I didn't notice any difference in climb or cruise and I like the
> looks of the 3 blade better. The two blade may have had an
> advantage in length of glide while on approach with the throttle at
> idle, but I really wouldn't want to make that claim. It was a
> little windy and very cross yesterday. I'd keep the hub and
> experiment more, but I have a hangar full of stuff from that kind
> of thinking. My Icom A-22 won't transmit with the headset adapter
> and I've promised myself a new A-14 for my birthday next month so
> the hub goes. :-)
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM, robert bean
> <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Rick, tell us what you found. Noise? vibration? lack of total
> thrust?
> BB
>
> On 16, Sep 2009, at 9:30 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
>> Okay, I've done the 2 blade vs 3 blade experiment and I'm not
>> going to use the 2 blade hub. Warp Drive wants $225, yours for
>> $150 plus shipping. This hub fits both 75mm Rotax 2 strokes and
>> 912 / 914 with drive lugs.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar vs Ultrastar |
Possums did a mod to the ailerons on his Firestar, The mods look good in the pictures
he posted, I wonder if they lightened the aileron forces over the stock
Firestar ?? It would be worth asking him.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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John H=2C
A gentleman named Dave asked about upgrading to a 296. It seems the peop
le that offered help to his inquiry were limited to Ellery=2C Possums=2C an
d me (mostly me).
He stated he needed to have Class C and D airspace better identified=2C b
ecause there is a lot of those airspaces in Florida.
He asked if a 296 addresses these issues. (they do) He wasn't asking if
anyone has flown all over God's country and back with a 196=2C and if a 196
is a good GPS. That wasn't the question. He HAS a 196! He was wondering
if he upgraded=2C would he get the functions he needed.
Curious. Why would you feel the need to defend the 196=2C when that wasn
't what he was asking? Maybe you missed his original question.
I am a proponent of everyone expressing their own opinion. It might have
been more beneficial if you would have told Dave HE didn't need to upgrade
=2C rather than try to diminish my recommendation. Because you like the 19
6=2C is he supposed to just live with it?
Mike Welch
Do Not Archive
From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Modern GPSes
I bought my 196 when they first came out. Made a lot of flights with it=2C
in my mkIII=2C all over the North American Continent. It does everything
I need to navigate=2C plus a lot of stuff I don't use.
It has triple capability=2C Air=2C Land=2C Sea. Have not used it in the Se
a mode=2C but have tried to wear it out in the Air and Land modes.
I paid 830.00=2C Sun and Fun Special=2C for my 196. Worth every penny of i
t.
Now days you can pick up a new one cheap=2C or find a used or refurbished o
ne even cheaper.
The 296 has a few more bells and whistles than the 196=2C but some how I ha
ve learned to live without them.
I have had two other Garmin Aviation GPS's=2C my first a 55AVD which took m
e to Dead Horse/Prudhoe Bay=2C Alaska=2C and around the border of the Conti
nental US=2C and my second=2C a used 95XL that took me to Point Barrow=2C A
K=2C back to Oshkosh=2C WI=2C and home to Alabama.
All that flying without color display too.
How much turbulence is required to lose GPS coverage?
john h
mkIII
It is time to move up to the newer 296. Best regards=2C Mike Welch
PS. There are usually several used 296's on eBay. A lot of guys move up t
o the 396 and 496=2C etc. Perfect condition used ones go for about $600=2C
the last time I looked. Worth checking out......
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Someone on the Kolb List informed us of losing GPS coverage because of turb
ulence some years ago. Personally=2C I seriously doubt turbulence has anyt
hing to do with GPS reception=2C but I could be wrong.
How did you know it was turbulence that caused lose of GPS reception?
john h - MKIII
John H.=2C
That was me that stated that before. You are entitled to any opinion you
want. How do I know it was turbulence that caused the coverage to go out
for a few minutes at a time?
Let's see. I'm flying over N. CA mountains=2C flying south. My Cessna 1
72 and 95XL. I start getting "significant" turbulence. GPS goes out=2C sc
reen says "Poor GPS coverage" Nothing else=2C just that.
After a few minutes=2C turbulence settles down. Magic happens! GPS is b
ack to normal.....more turbulence....back to "Poor GPS coverage".
This continued for about three more times. Eventually=2C the bumps settl
ed down and things were okay.
Seeing as how I was there=2Cand I was watching the GPS=2C and riding the
bumps=2C that's the conclusion that I came to. I'm open to other explanati
ons=2C but it seemed all clear and concise at the time. Maybe I needed mor
e information before coming to the conclusion I drew.
It must be one of those UFO things. I seen 'em. Honest=2C I did! They
wuz 3 feet tall and they had really big heads.
Nobody believes me=2C but I was there. I seen dem bumps.
Mike Welch
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I knew you'd chime in about how well your 196 has served you. You might
have noticed I didn't put it down. But=2C the fact of the matter is=2C th
e 296 has a heck of a lot more to it than just color=2C or bells and whistl
es. (although the color alone is a biggie)
Maybe Garmin should not waste their time on any new models.
How much turbulence does it take to knock out coverage (on a 95XL)? Don'
t exactly know. I guess the amount I flew through.
You may rest assured you can live without the bells and whistles of a new
er 296. It=2C like VGs=2C is a personal decision every pilot gets to make
their own mind about.
Mike Welch
MkIIICX
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Mike W/Gang:
Didn't know the conversation was confined to a few.
Guess I missed something. My 196 clearly defines all airspace, even D
and C. Just doesn't do it in color.
Must have gotten this limited conversation mixed up with somebody asking
about being able to see better in sun light with a 296 compared to the
GPS they were currently using, I believe a grey scale model.
Wasn't defending the 196. Simply sharing the fact that it does the job
in many different aviation environments. And...we don't have to spend a
bundle to do some serious flying.
I don't think you have flown with the 196, have you?
It doesn't have terrain avoidance, but I don't fly if I can't see
terrain.
And I certainly will not tell anyone else what they need to do, not on
the Kolb List. ;-) If you read my post correctly, I have not
recommended my 196 to anyone.
john h
mkIII
A gentleman named Dave asked about upgrading to a 296. It seems the
people that offered help to his inquiry were limited to Ellery, Possums,
and me (mostly me).
He stated he needed to have Class C and D airspace better
identified, because there is a lot of those airspaces in Florida.
He asked if a 296 addresses these issues. (they do) He wasn't
asking if anyone has flown all over God's country and back with a 196,
and if a 196 is a good GPS. That wasn't the question. He HAS a 196!
He was wondering if he upgraded, would he get the functions he needed.
Curious. Why would you feel the need to defend the 196, when that
wasn't what he was asking? Maybe you missed his original question.
I am a proponent of everyone expressing their own opinion. It might
have been more beneficial if you would have told Dave HE didn't need to
upgrade, rather than try to diminish my recommendation. Because you
like the 196, is he supposed to just live with it?
Mike Welch
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From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Modern GPSes
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:09:15 -0600
I bought my 196 when they first came out. Made a lot of flights with
it, in my mkIII, all over the North American Continent. It does
everything I need to navigate, plus a lot of stuff I don't use.
It has triple capability, Air, Land, Sea. Have not used it in the Sea
mode, but have tried to wear it out in the Air and Land modes.
I paid 830.00, Sun and Fun Special, for my 196. Worth every penny of
it.
Now days you can pick up a new one cheap, or find a used or
refurbished one even cheaper.
The 296 has a few more bells and whistles than the 196, but some how I
have learned to live without them.
I have had two other Garmin Aviation GPS's, my first a 55AVD which
took me to Dead Horse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, and around the border of the
Continental US, and my second, a used 95XL that took me to Point Barrow,
AK, back to Oshkosh, WI, and home to Alabama.
All that flying without color display too.
How much turbulence is required to lose GPS coverage?
john h
mkIII
It is time to move up to the newer 296. Best regards, Mike
Welch
PS. There are usually several used 296's on eBay. A lot of guys
move up to the 396 and 496, etc. Perfect condition used ones go for
about $600, the last time I looked. Worth checking out......
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Mike W/Gang:
I really do not know why GPS coverage is lost with no explanation.
However, over the years I have experienced blank spots that lasted,
usually, about 30 minutes at a time while flying cross country at about
80 mph or more ground speed. That would equate to about a 40 mile
diameter circle, or distance.
I think it was 2005, we were flying to the Outer Banks in NC on the way
to the Kolb Flyin. There were 5 of us Kolbs in the flight. I know John
W and I lost GPS coverage at the same time and for the same distance. I
thought I had a bad antenna or coax cable. Just prior to arriving
Trenton, SC, the GPS coverage returned. No turbulence this day.
Another time in Alberta, Canada, lost coverage. Landed on a gravel
road, replaced antenna and coax, but still no gps coverage. A few
minutes later gps coverage returned.
Other times I have lost gps coverage, but can not remember the details.
Larry C suggested maybe you went inverted and masked the gps antenna
momentarily. Did you? ;-)
As far as I can remember I have never lost gps coverage in turbulence.
My experience only.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
That was me that stated that before. You are entitled to any
opinion you want. How do I know it was turbulence that caused the
coverage to go out
for a few minutes at a time?
Seeing as how I was there,and I was watching the GPS, and riding the
bumps, that's the conclusion that I came to.
Mike Welch
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If you want to get down to bare bones, I have an eTrex (that can be
bought now for mini $$$) that will do what is really
necessary. Tells you which way to point, how many miles left,
groundspeed, altitude.
Works fine. A whole lot better than an Omni. (remember them things?)
only drawback is not being a genuine aviation gps so entering
coordinates is a PITA
-no purty pictures though.
BB
(gizmos not my thing, bet ya couldn't tell)
On 16, Sep 2009, at 11:56 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> Mike W/Gang:
>
> Didn't know the conversation was confined to a few.
>
> Guess I missed something. My 196 clearly defines all airspace,
> even D and C. Just doesn't do it in color.
>
> Must have gotten this limited conversation mixed up with somebody
> asking about being able to see better in sun light with a 296
> compared to the GPS they were currently using, I believe a grey
> scale model.
>
> Wasn't defending the 196. Simply sharing the fact that it does the
> job in many different aviation environments. And...we don't have
> to spend a bundle to do some serious flying.
>
> I don't think you have flown with the 196, have you?
>
> It doesn't have terrain avoidance, but I don't fly if I can't see
> terrain.
>
> And I certainly will not tell anyone else what they need to do, not
> on the Kolb List. ;-) If you read my post correctly, I have not
> recommended my 196 to anyone.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> A gentleman named Dave asked about upgrading to a 296. It seems
> the people that offered help to his inquiry were limited to Ellery,
> Possums, and me (mostly me).
> He stated he needed to have Class C and D airspace better
> identified, because there is a lot of those airspaces in Florida.
>
> He asked if a 296 addresses these issues. (they do) He wasn't
> asking if anyone has flown all over God's country and back with a
> 196, and if a 196 is a good GPS. That wasn't the question. He HAS
> a 196! He was wondering if he upgraded, would he get the functions
> he needed.
> Curious. Why would you feel the need to defend the 196, when
> that wasn't what he was asking? Maybe you missed his original
> question.
>
> I am a proponent of everyone expressing their own opinion. It
> might have been more beneficial if you would have told Dave HE
> didn't need to upgrade, rather than try to diminish my
> recommendation. Because you like the 196, is he supposed to just
> live with it?
>
> Mike Welch
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Modern GPSes
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:09:15 -0600
>
>
> I bought my 196 when they first came out. Made a lot of flights
> with it, in my mkIII, all over the North American Continent. It
> does everything I need to navigate, plus a lot of stuff I don't use.
>
> It has triple capability, Air, Land, Sea. Have not used it in the
> Sea mode, but have tried to wear it out in the Air and Land modes.
>
> I paid 830.00, Sun and Fun Special, for my 196. Worth every penny
> of it.
>
> Now days you can pick up a new one cheap, or find a used or
> refurbished one even cheaper.
>
> The 296 has a few more bells and whistles than the 196, but some
> how I have learned to live without them.
>
> I have had two other Garmin Aviation GPS's, my first a 55AVD which
> took me to Dead Horse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, and around the border of
> the Continental US, and my second, a used 95XL that took me to
> Point Barrow, AK, back to Oshkosh, WI, and home to Alabama.
>
> All that flying without color display too.
>
> How much turbulence is required to lose GPS coverage?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> It is time to move up to the newer 296. Best regards, Mike Welch
>
> PS. There are usually several used 296's on eBay. A lot of guys
> move up to the 396 and 496, etc. Perfect condition used ones go
> for about $600, the last time I looked. Worth checking out......
>
>
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