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Fri 09/18/09


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 04:26 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle)
     2. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Gas line (frank.goodnight)
     3. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Gas line (Jack B. Hart)
     4. 09:14 AM - Grandrapids EIS or others. (albertakolbmk3)
     5. 09:18 AM - Re: Gas line (Thom Riddle)
     6. 04:44 PM - Re: Grandrapids EIS or others. (HShack@aol.com)
     7. 05:23 PM - Re: Grandrapids EIS or others. (Larry Cottrell)
     8. 08:30 PM - Re: Grandrapids EIS or others. (albertakolbmk3)
     9. 10:17 PM - Re: Re: Grandrapids EIS or others. (Larry Cottrell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:26:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vortex Generators
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    >From JetPilot: "...when I put the Hornier style wingtips on the MK III Xtra..." Is that the comparative form of Horny, or did you mean Hoerner? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263660#263660


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    Time: 06:51:19 AM PST US
    From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Gas line
    when I built my firestar I used a pice of the leftover aluminum tubeing for most of my fuel line and only used a short piece of the plastic that kolb provided to make the conection at the very ends. I don"t know if that was a good idea or not. At my yearly condition insp. I changed to black fuel line for marine use it is supposed to be alcohol resistant. Next time I am thinking about going to copper air conditioning tube, I also don"t if that is a good idea. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville , Tex On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 06:09 PM 9/17/2009, william sullivan wrote: >> Henry- My black neoprene line was exposed to sun while sitting in >> the yard. I don't think it was affected by it, but you never >> know. I was going to use the yellow Tygothane, but I was concerned >> that it would collapse under suction. I still wonder if it's the >> alcohol. If alcohol makes me soft and mushy, maybe it does the >> same to neoprene. > > I have used the yellow Tygon on my PPG's, but the blue line is > harder, less susceptible to collapse, and lasts longer. You still > need to replace it every couple of years. I think it's the sunlight > (UV) that does most of the damage. > > The yellow Tygon, which they market as "fuel and lubricant tubing", > is a vinyl product. Tygothane is something different, a > polyurethane product, and according to Tygon is NOT suitable for fuel. > > There are other yellow "fuel" tubings out there... stay away, > they're cheaper than genuine Tygon and don't last nearly as long. > > I know others prefer the black neoprene but I still like to see > what's inside (or not inside) my fuel lines. > > -Dana > -- > The gene pool could use a little chlorine. > >


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    Time: 08:19:33 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Gas line
    Frank, I believe aluminum will withstand vibration better than copper. And for the same size is lighter. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN At 08:35 AM 9/18/09 -0500, you wrote: > >when I built my firestar I used a pice of the leftover aluminum >tubeing for most of my fuel line >and only used a short piece of the plastic that kolb provided to make >the conection at the >very ends. I don"t know if that was a good idea or not. At my yearly >condition insp. I changed >to black fuel line for marine use it is supposed to be alcohol >resistant. Next time I am thinking >about going to copper air conditioning tube, I also don"t if that is a >good idea. >Frank Goodnight >Firestar 2 >Brownsville , Tex >On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Dana Hague wrote: >


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    Time: 09:14:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Grandrapids EIS or others.
    From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
    For those of you with the grandrapids eis for rotax 2 cycles, what options do you have? can the two aux. inputs be used for fuel level? anyone using the fuel flow option, altimeter? I have two 45 litre aluminum tanks that only have a clear fuel line to read the level. They are behind the passenger seat and very hard to see. I would like to put a skysport fuel sending unit in each one but before I buy a fuel guage as well I would like to know if the eis can read fuel level. I know alot of people like the standard needle guages but I find them hard to read (accurately). I've decided to replace them with an eis (not sure what one yet). I find that with the guages that I have, I am guessing as to what it is reading because the needle travel is so smalll.I would much prefer a digital number especially for the more critical readings. Anyone else with a different eis such as a stratomaster please don't hesitate to comment on your unit. Thanks, Tony -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263699#263699


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    Time: 09:18:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gas line
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    The Tygon tubing product intended for fuel lines is Tygon F4040A. It is yellow and traslucent but so are some other Tygon tubing types. The F4040A has been tested satisfactorily for use with E-10 auto fuel according to the factory tech rep I spoke to about it. It is very flexible and resistant to cracking down to -35F but on the hot end it is not good above about 160F or so. It should handle suction for Kolbs from tank to fuel engine mounted fuel pump but NOT for pulse lines on 2-strokes. I've installed in on two airplanes with no apparent problems under the conditions I mentioned. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263700#263700


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    Time: 04:44:55 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Grandrapids EIS or others.
    Call Grand Rapids Tech. and they will tell you exactly what you need. They sell the Prince capacitive fuel level sender, which I highly recommend. Yes, ties into Aux. Will also do altitude. Best customer service> In a message dated 9/18/2009 12:14:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cheriebraun@xplornet.com writes: For those of you with the grandrapids eis for rotax 2 cycles, what options do you have? can the two aux. inputs be used for fuel level? anyone using the fuel flow option, altimeter?


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    Time: 05:23:59 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Grandrapids EIS or others.
    He is correct, and the Prince fuel sender is a good one, but there is only one aux wire on the two stroke EIS that will work as a fuel sender. I used two senders with my two stroke EIS by getting a double pole, double throw switch and wired the switch so that one direction read the front tank and the other direction read the back tank. I also had the tanks isolated and selected between them with a selector fuel valve, so that when you changed tanks you also changed the switch. It has worked quite well for me for more than 6 years. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: HShack@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Grandrapids EIS or others. Call Grand Rapids Tech. and they will tell you exactly what you need. They sell the Prince capacitive fuel level sender, which I highly recommend. Yes, ties into Aux. Will also do altitude. Best customer service> In a message dated 9/18/2009 12:14:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cheriebraun@xplornet.com writes: For those of you with the grandrapids eis for rotax 2 cycles, what options do you have? can the two aux. inputs be used for fuel level? anyone using the fuel flow option, altimeter? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/18/09 07:49:00


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    Time: 08:30:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grandrapids EIS or others.
    From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
    That's exactly what I want to do... thanks for the info. What length does the sender come in and can it be cut down (I need about 22")... or is it a resistor swing type? [quote="lcottrell"]He is correct, and the Prince fuel sender is a good one, but there is only one aux wire on the two stroke EIS that will work as a fuel sender. I used two senders with my two stroke EIS by getting a double pole, double throw switch and wired the switch so that one direction read the front tank and the other direction read the back tank. I also had the tanks isolated and selected between them with a selector fuel valve, so that when you changed tanks you also changed the switch. It has worked quite well for me for more than 6 years. Larry C > --- -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263774#263774


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    Time: 10:17:34 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Grandrapids EIS or others.
    Your best bet is to call Grand Rapids, you will talk to Sandy who is so knowledgeable that several guys have proposed to her over the phone, including me. :-) She can fix you up with what ever you need. There are several sizes of senders, I used the 12 inch one with my stock tanks. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: albertakolbmk3 To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Grandrapids EIS or others. <cheriebraun@xplornet.com> That's exactly what I want to do... thanks for the info. What length does the sender come in and can it be cut down (I need about 22")... or is it a resistor swing type? [quote="lcottrell"]He is correct, and the Prince fuel sender is a good one, but there is only one aux wire on the two stroke EIS that will work as a fuel sender. I used two senders with my two stroke EIS by getting a double pole, double throw switch and wired the switch so that one direction read the front tank and the other direction read the back tank. I also had the tanks isolated and selected between them with a selector fuel valve, so that when you changed tanks you also changed the switch. It has worked quite well for me for more than 6 years. Larry C > --- -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263774#263774 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/18/09 07:49:00




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