---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/21/09: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle) 2. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators (pj.ladd) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: An Older but Good Basic GPS (no aviation data base) (pj.ladd) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators (pj.ladd) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: Help please - can't take off (planecrazzzy) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Thom Riddle) 7. 08:47 AM - Re: An Older but Good Basic GPS (no aviation data base) (Richard Girard) 8. 08:49 AM - Cross wind capability of the Mk IIIC (Richard Girard) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Help please - can't take off (cristalclear13) 10. 09:56 AM - Re: Cross wind capability of the Mk IIIC (Thom Riddle) 11. 11:19 AM - Sedona, Az (dalewhelan) 12. 11:21 AM - Sedona, AZ (dalewhelan) 13. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Help please - can't take off (John Hauck) 14. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Help please - can't take off (possums) 15. 12:13 PM - Crash (John Hauck) 16. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Wingtips (russ kinne) 17. 01:06 PM - Re: Crash (Robert Laird) 18. 01:11 PM - Re: Crash (Jim Kmet) 19. 01:12 PM - Re: Crash (Jack B. Hart) 20. 01:49 PM - Re: Crash (robert bean) 21. 01:52 PM - Fuel tank for FF (Dave Kulp) 22. 01:53 PM - Re: Crash (Jim Kmet) 23. 02:59 PM - Re: Fuel tank for FF (dalewhelan) 24. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank for FF (Beauford T) 25. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank for FF (robert bean) 26. 05:07 PM - Re: Sedona, Az (JetPilot) 27. 05:18 PM - Re: Fuel tank for FF (possums) 28. 06:19 PM - Re: Fuel tank for FF (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 29. 06:30 PM - Re: Sedona, Az (dalewhelan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators From: "Thom Riddle" John H. You are correct, of course. My Kolb doesn't have an artificial horizon either so staying out of the clouds is always the better choice. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264090#264090 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:32 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators The decent rate in a mush in my mkIII is about 2,000 fpm.>> Grief ! Thats about twice the climb out speed. Not an experiment I want to try. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:15 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: An Older but Good Basic GPS (no aviation data base) Garmin has forced Magellan out of the market now; >> Hi Russ, i had a Magellan on my cat. Seemed to be OK but not easy to use. Manual entry of lat and long No GPS was easy to use back then. Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:30 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators use the non-stalled full up elevator to get down slowly and relatively safely,>> Hmm! I dont think I would like to try it. The AN2 didn`t actually carry out the procedure. I assume that it wouldn`t do the undercart much good, but you could probably walk away. which in that position is the best you can hope for. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Help please - can't take off From: "planecrazzzy" Hi Crystal, I had a problem like that before... I don't think it has been mentioned here.... Check the "Main Jet".... I had one come loose, and the needle couldn't close enough.... Had a heck of a time tracing it down.... But when I saw it was loose... I knew I found the problem... .. .. Gotta Fly... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. New Kolb Forum - No JP http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/ .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264119#264119 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Vortex Generators From: "Thom Riddle" Now you have me wondering what my sink rate is at idle power at MCA. I know it is about 900 fpm (no flaps) at 65 mph, my normal approach speed. I will find out next time I fly. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264130#264130 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: An Older but Good Basic GPS (no aviation data base) From: Richard Girard Did the GPS help or hinder the cat with mousing? My cat keeps losing the mice under the couch while he's tormenting them. It might work better to put the GPS on the mouse, come to think of it. Rick Girard do not archive On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:53 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Garmin has forced Magellan out of the market now; >> > > Hi Russ, > > i had a Magellan on my cat. Seemed to be OK but not easy to use. Manual > entry of lat and long No GPS was easy to use back then. > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Cross wind capability of the Mk IIIC From: Richard Girard Took Zulu Delta out Saturday afternoon to see how she handles 90 degree crosswinds. Wind was 8 to 15 (guessing based on report from airport 15 miles away and wind sock activity) Found that it was better to carry a little power, about 3000 rpm (750 at the prop), for rudder effectiveness. When I pulled back to idle on a high approach and put her in a slip it took full rudder deflection to keep her headed down the runway straight. Less rudder seemed to be required when I carried a little power. Looking at the plane afterward and trying to reason it out, I speculated that when the prop is at idle and the stick is forward to slip nose low the rudder is blanked out pretty well.Sound reasonable? Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Help please - can't take off From: "cristalclear13" These are all great suggestions. I've made a big list of things to check. I'm going to try to work the easiest ones first. Since I haven't cleaned the air filters in 50 hrs and over a year and half I'll start with that. I also noticed that the vent tube I purchased from the hardware store down the street has gotten a little mushy on the bottom where the holes are. I will order a new one from Aircraft Spruce along with the air filter cleaner/oil kit. I will keep you all informed of what I find. I plan to do one thing at a time to narrow down what the issue really is. If it isn't the air filter, I'll go to the next thing on my list. Sure wish I had a few days off from work. It's getting dark so early now too. [Rolling Eyes] -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264144#264144 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross wind capability of the Mk IIIC From: "Thom Riddle" I'm having a hard time visualizing the rudder on a pusher getting blanked out by any sort of slip. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264151#264151 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sedona, Az From: "dalewhelan" Turning final Sedona 3 -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264176#264176 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02351_medium_188.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sedona, AZ From: "dalewhelan" Time to leave -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264177#264177 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02354_medium_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help please - can't take off I will order a new one from Aircraft Spruce along with the air filter cleaner/oil kit. > > Cristal Waters Cristal/Gang: Local motorcycle shop will have K&N filter oil. Make sure you get it for cotton and not foam filters. As far as cleaning, I have used gasoline, a coffee can, and a little agitation to clean K&N filters. Sling them around a little to get excess gasoline out of them, then set them in the sun to air dry, and finally oil. Some say gasoline will ruin the cotton filter element, I don't think so. Two strokes keep them wet with gasoline and oil when they are running. john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:42 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help please - can't take off At 12:13 PM 9/21/2009, you wrote: > > >These are all great suggestions. I've made a big list of things to >check. I'm going to try to work the easiest ones first. >Since I haven't cleaned the air filters in 50 hrs and over a year >and half I'll start with that. I also noticed that the vent tube I >purchased from the hardware store down the street has gotten a >little mushy on the bottom where the holes are. If those holes get plugged up - the engine will act like you are talking about. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:03 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Crash Gang: Is this one of our guys? john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 208NS Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III EXTRA Date: 09/20/2009 Time: 1434 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Unknown LOCATION City: NORTH STONINGTON State: CT Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA, NORTH STONINGTON, CT INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:07 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Dana Who was it in the Xtra? Waiting to know, Russ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash From: Robert Laird Not in the database that I'm accumulating... FAA registration is to: PATRICK, DANIEL L Street PO BOX 303 City NORTH STONINGTON State CONNECTICUT County NEW LONDON Zip Code 06359-0303 Country UNITED STATES On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:12 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Gang: > > Is this one of our guys? > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, Oregon > > > IDENTIFICATION > Regis#: 208NS Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III EXTRA > Date: 09/20/2009 Time: 1434 > > Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N > Damage: Unknown > > LOCATION > City: NORTH STONINGTON State: CT Country: US > > DESCRIPTION > AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA, NORTH STONINGTON, CT > > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:26 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Dan Patrick. Newly built MK-3X Was not his first flight. Low time Light sport pilot. I know no more details, but will try to find out. Jim Kmet ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Crash > > Gang: > > Is this one of our guys? > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, Oregon > > > IDENTIFICATION > Regis#: 208NS Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III > EXTRA > Date: 09/20/2009 Time: 1434 > > Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N > Damage: Unknown > > LOCATION > City: NORTH STONINGTON State: CT Country: US > > DESCRIPTION > AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA, NORTH STONINGTON, CT > > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 > Unk: 1 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:43 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash John, >From the N number PATRICK DANIEL L Street PO BOX 303 City NORTH STONINGTON State CONNECTICUT County NEW LONDON Zip Code 06359-0303 Country UNITED STATES Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN At 01:12 PM 9/21/09 -0600, you wrote: > >Gang: > >Is this one of our guys? > >john h >mkIII >Rock House, Oregon > > >IDENTIFICATION > Regis#: 208NS Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III >EXTRA > Date: 09/20/2009 Time: 1434 > > Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N > Damage: Unknown > >LOCATION > City: NORTH STONINGTON State: CT Country: US > >DESCRIPTION > AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA, NORTH STONINGTON, CT > >INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: >1 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:55 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash a little news: http://www.courant.com/community/hc-north-stonington-aircraft- crashes-0921,0,3842844.story Bb do not archive On 21, Sep 2009, at 3:57 PM, Robert Laird wrote: > > Not in the database that I'm accumulating... > > FAA registration is to: > > PATRICK, DANIEL L > Street PO BOX 303 > City NORTH STONINGTON State CONNECTICUT > County NEW LONDON Zip Code 06359-0303 > Country UNITED STATES > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:12 PM, John Hauck > wrote: >> >> Gang: >> >> Is this one of our guys? >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Rock House, Oregon >> >> >> >> IDENTIFICATION >> Regis#: 208NS Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK >> III EXTRA >> Date: 09/20/2009 Time: 1434 >> >> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N >> Missing: N >> Damage: Unknown >> >> LOCATION >> City: NORTH STONINGTON State: CT Country: US >> >> DESCRIPTION >> AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA, NORTH STONINGTON, CT >> >> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 >> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: >> 0 Unk: 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:31 PM PST US From: Dave Kulp Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank for FF Does anyone have info on sources for buying a fuel tank for a FireFly? Mfrs, sales outlets, websites, etc. I'd appreciate anything you could provide with various size and shape options. Thanks, Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:01 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=5d675b44-34d3-42f4-a655-443e0aa41494 http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=5d675b44-34d3-42f4-a655-443e0aa41494 Dan was not a kolb-lister Jim Kmet ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Crash > > Gang: > > Is this one of our guys? > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, Oregon > > > IDENTIFICATION > Regis#: 208NS Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III > EXTRA > Date: 09/20/2009 Time: 1434 > > Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N > Damage: Unknown > > LOCATION > City: NORTH STONINGTON State: CT Country: US > > DESCRIPTION > AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA, NORTH STONINGTON, CT > > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 > Unk: 1 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel tank for FF From: "dalewhelan" Not sure this is what you want to hear. I just got one from Travis at Kolb for my Firestar II. He has 5 or 6 gallon tanks. He says he has not had troubles with the 5 gallon tank. I think that may mean they last better than the 6 gallon tanks. Price seemed pretty good to me -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264214#264214 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:44 PM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel tank for FF He says he has not had troubles with the 5 gallon tank. I think that may mean they last better than the 6 gallon tanks. ------------------------------ Fer what it is worth... In my experience, the 6 gallon tanks have substantially thinner and more flexible walls than the 5 gallon items. The 6 gallon tank I got from TNK became so "flabby" after about a year and a half that I became uneasy flying with it. It is still in the airplane, but I don't like it. Weak and undisciplined beauford (willing to trade life for 18 more minutes - kinda like matrimony)... FF-076 Brandon, FL Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:44 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel tank for FF flabby? Sure those wuz the tanks yer talking about? BB, a few parts gone flabby too. My 5 gal tanks have to be 20 years old. Do I think about one popping a seam? Once in a while. On 21, Sep 2009, at 7:10 PM, Beauford T wrote: > > > > > > He says he has not had troubles with the 5 gallon tank. I think > that may mean > they last better than the 6 gallon tanks. > ------------------------------ > > Fer what it is worth... > > In my experience, the 6 gallon tanks have substantially thinner and > more flexible > walls than the 5 gallon items. The 6 gallon tank I got from TNK > became so > "flabby" after about a year and a half that I became uneasy flying > with it. It is > still in the airplane, but I don't like it. > > Weak and undisciplined beauford (willing to trade life for 18 more > minutes - kinda > like matrimony)... > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sedona, Az From: "JetPilot" Neat pictures Dale, did you beat the storm out ??? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264230#264230 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:07 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank for FF At 04:21 PM 9/21/2009, you wrote: > >Does anyone have info on sources for buying a fuel tank for a FireFly? >Mfrs, sales outlets, websites, etc. I'd appreciate anything you >could provide with various size and shape options. > >Thanks, > >Dave Kulp >Bethlehem, PA >FireFly 11DMK >I got mine from a place in Florida called >Rotational molding Inc.Phone 914-534-1766 >Don't know if they have a web site or not. >Plastic powder is poured >into a mold and then heated as it turns. Comes out in >one solid piece.They make >"Gray Water" storage tanks for RVs. >You may like this site better http://www.ronco-plastics.net/marinetanks.html >It seems to have more choices. I like to be able to design my own >stuff and I can see thru it (about 1/8+ thick?) >My plane is wider than Firefly - so you would have to measure the >space you have and figure out how to get it in. The holes are >drilled and the fittings have to >be spun on at the factory with some kind of machine that melts them >to the tank. >They are made of the same plastic that the tanks are made of. >If you tell them you are using it on anything that flys - they won't >sell it to you. >We have used these tanks for 12 years, mine for 10+ and no problems >if the fittings are done right "raised" so you can also put a >clamp on the outside of the fitting after your screw in the >connections (no leaks). Don't have any good pictures of the tank by itself. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank for FF From: Ellery Batchelder Jr are you looking for the 5 gallon tank that you get with a kit????? ?I happen to have a few of them kicking around Ellery in Maine -----Original Message----- From: Dave Kulp Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2009 4:21 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank for FF ? Does anyone have info on sources for buying a fuel tank for a FireFly? Mfrs, sales outlets, websites, etc. I'd appreciate anything you could provide with various size and shape options.? ? Thanks,? ? Dave Kulp? Bethlehem, PA? FireFly 11DMK? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sedona, Az From: "dalewhelan" This is us watching a high speed pass and then holding short for takeoff. We made it out fine just got bumped around a bit. -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264246#264246 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02356_medium_136.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02357_medium_931.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.