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1. 04:40 AM - Re: Rice King clutches (George Myers)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: Rice King clutches (Richard Girard)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Rice King clutches (Jason Omelchuck)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (pj.ladd)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Rice King clutches (George Myers)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Rice King clutches (George Myers)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Kolb homecoming (Rick Lewis)
8. 12:07 PM - Glide at idle power vs prop stopped (Thom Riddle)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (russ kinne)
10. 02:43 PM - Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (Richard Girard)
11. 05:11 PM - Re: Rice King clutches (possums)
12. 05:52 PM - Re: Crash (Dana Hague)
13. 06:05 PM - Re: Help please - can't take off (Dana Hague)
14. 06:22 PM - Re: What carb. inlet needle is best. (Dana Hague)
15. 06:44 PM - Re: Help please - can't take off (cristalclear13)
16. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Help please - can't take off (John Hauck)
17. 07:32 PM - Re: Rice King clutches (George Myers)
18. 07:59 PM - Re: Rice King clutches (Richard Girard)
19. 08:06 PM - Re: Rice King clutches (jerb)
20. 08:28 PM - Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (robcannon)
21. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Rice King clutches |
I run a RK400 / C box on a 582 & love it. Only problem is it makes a good
drag chute when the engine stops.
George Myers
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rice King clutches
Does anyone on the forum run the Rice King (RK 400) clutch with a "C"
gearbox? I'm just interested in seeing if others have a similar experience
to mine.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Rice King clutches |
George, Pretty much my experience, except that it made me so nervous that I
took it out. Yes, the engine doesn't idle as smooth as it did when it could
disconnect from the prop, but the Mk III doesn't glide like the space
shuttle anymore, either. What prop do you run?
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:31 AM, George Myers <gmyers@grandecom.net> wrote:
> I run a RK400 / C box on a 582 & love it. Only problem is it makes a good
> drag chute when the engine stops.
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| Subject: | Re: Rice King clutches |
I am running the RK400 clutch on my MKIII with the Yamaha engine. I have a 3.47
"C" gearbox and a 3 bladed IVO medium propeller. Even when my engine was connected
directly to the prop, my MKIII still glided like the shuttle :) There
was a 6 month gap between flying with no clutch and flying with a clutch and I
did not do actual glide tests with no clutch, but my impression is that at my
approach speed of 55, there is not that great of a difference in glide. I think
as I push my nose down with the prop windmilling and speed increases, I really
start to see a difference. The good news is that every landing I do (with
the engine at idle) is just like landing with the engine not running, so I get
lots of practice of what an engine out landing feels like. I will reserve
my judgment on the clutch for when I pull it off this winter and inspect how it
is holding up, but I have no problems with how it makes my airplane fly.
Jason
MKIII Yamaha Powered
Portland, OR
[quote="rickofudall"]Does anyone on the forum run the Rice King (RK 400) clutch
with a "C" gearbox? I'm just interested in seeing if others have a similar experience
to mine.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross weight is
exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand the fellow who
clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and would love to hear a
flying report.>>
Hi, Clipping the trees is nothing to do with power available. It is about
getting the approach wrong.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Rice King clutches |
Warp drive 3 blade 58". I practice shutting down the engine every now &
again, mostly on purpose, and the glide ratio is more a trajectory than a
glide, about 1 to 1. You have to point the nose at the ground all the way
down to keep airspeed up and the prop sounds like a shop fan behind you. I'm
currently flying a Quicksilver MXLII while my Twinstar is down for repairs
but it has the same setup. I fly in flat country with lots of fields. Don't
think I'd use the same setup in less forgiving terrain.
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rice King clutches
George, Pretty much my experience, except that it made me so nervous that I
took it out. Yes, the engine doesn't idle as smooth as it did when it could
disconnect from the prop, but the Mk III doesn't glide like the space
shuttle anymore, either. What prop do you run?
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:31 AM, George Myers <gmyers@grandecom.net> wrote:
I run a RK400 / C box on a 582 & love it. Only problem is it makes a good
drag chute when the engine stops.
George Myers
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rice King clutches
Does anyone on the forum run the Rice King (RK 400) clutch with a "C"
gearbox? I'm just interested in seeing if others have a similar experience
to mine.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Rice King clutches |
So long as my engine is running everything is fine. But the first time your
engine stops you're in for a shock. If you decide to shut it off, be plenty
high, over a good landing spot, and watch your airspeed.
George
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jason Omelchuck
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rice King clutches
I am running the RK400 clutch on my MKIII with the Yamaha engine. I have a
3.47 "C" gearbox and a 3 bladed IVO medium propeller. Even when my engine
was connected directly to the prop, my MKIII still glided like the shuttle
:) There was a 6 month gap between flying with no clutch and flying with a
clutch and I did not do actual glide tests with no clutch, but my impression
is that at my approach speed of 55, there is not that great of a difference
in glide. I think as I push my nose down with the prop windmilling and
speed increases, I really start to see a difference. The good news is that
every landing I do (with the engine at idle) is just like landing with the
engine not running, so I get lots of practice of what an engine out landing
feels like. I will reserve my judgment on the clutch for when I pull it off
this winter and inspect how it is holding up, but I have no problems with
how it makes my airplane fly.
Jason
MKIII Yamaha Powered
Portland, OR
[quote="rickofudall"]Does anyone on the forum run the Rice King (RK 400)
clutch with a "C" gearbox? I'm just interested in seeing if others have a
similar experience to mine.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb homecoming |
I was wondering also about the Home Coming so I called Travis. He said that they
would NOT be able to have it this year, hopefully will next year. He said
he realizes this will disappoint a lot of us but sales aren't all that good and
they just had a huge exspence attending Sun-N-Fun and Oshkosh. I sure will
miss this as I have been looking forward to it for months. Maybe next year.
:(
Rick Lewis
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| Subject: | Glide at idle power vs prop stopped |
I don't want to beat the corpse any more but I did say that on my next flight I
would do some glide testing, which is what I did earlier today.
Glide with engine at idle power, NO FLAPS.
65 mph IAS - Descent rate approx 900 fpm
55 mph IAS - Descent rate approx 800 fpm
45 mph IAS - Descent rate approx 700 fpm
Glide with engine at idle power, 1/2 FLAPS (my normal landing config)
65 mph IAS - Descent rate approx 1,500 fpm (See why I don't need full flaps?)
Glide with prop stopped, NO FLAPS i.e. engine not running and no wind milling.
65 mph IAS - Descent rate approx 1,200 fpm
Your results may differ, but that is what my airplane does.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
Pat
You're absolutely right about 'getting the approach wrong' causes a
lot of accidents.
BUT if you have sufficient power, you can stop a descent and even
make a go-round.
So IMHO power available does have something to do with clipping the
trees.
If enough power's available, hopefully at least, no tree-clipping.
Russ
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On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:23 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
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> I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross
> weight is exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand
> the fellow who clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and
> would love to hear a flying report.>>
>
> Hi, Clipping the trees is nothing to do with power available. It is
> about getting the approach wrong.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
Russ, Depends on which side of the power curve you're on. Get on the back
side and you can't climb out with out lowering the nose first. If the trees
are too close for that, you're going in no matter how much power you have.
Rick Girard
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:31 PM, russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com> wrote:
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> Pat
> You're absolutely right about 'getting the approach wrong' causes a lot
> of accidents.
> BUT if you have sufficient power, you can stop a descent and even make a
> go-round.
> So IMHO power available does have something to do with clipping the trees.
> If enough power's available, hopefully at least, no tree-clipping.
> Russ
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> On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:23 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
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>>
>> I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross weight is
>> exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand the fellow who
>> clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and would love to hear a
>> flying report.>>
>>
>> Hi, Clipping the trees is nothing to do with power available. It is about
>> getting the approach wrong.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
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| Subject: | Rice King clutches |
At 10:36 AM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
>Warp drive 3 blade 58". I practice shutting down the engine every
>now & again, mostly on purpose, and the glide ratio is more a
>trajectory than a glide, about 1 to 1. You have to point the nose at
>the ground all the way down to keep airspeed up and the prop sounds
>like a shop fan behind you. I'm currently flying a Quicksilver MXLII
>while my Twinstar is down for repairs but it has the same setup. I
>fly in flat country with lots of fields. Don't think I'd use the
>same setup in less forgiving terrain.
>
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Mine must be set up different - or a single seat is a lot different.
Shot with a wide angle lens - things look farther away than they really are
and I look higher than I really am, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n005ITFp9Q
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At 12:15 PM 9/22/2009, Jim Kmet wrote:
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>Message to me from Dan Patrick about mishap:
>
>Hi Jim I just got in from the field preping to get the plane out. Am fine
>just a little back and neck stiff. Y ou know the old saying "low and slow"
>on final 20o flaps rt.hand for flaps and stick to lt. hand, I went to
>40obefore the tree line, ?little low, flaps to 20o switching hands I push
>flap handle up and by accident other hand put slight forward pressure on
>the stick. I added throttle and back on the stick. Landing gear caught
>branches and went in. Poor judgement being that low. All is O K,will rebuild.
Low and slow, dump the flaps and the plane's gonna settle. Proper
procedure at that point would be add power first, then slowly lift the
flaps as the plane accelerates.
I'm in Conneticut but I don't know Dan; there are quite a few Kolbs around
here... glad to hear he's OK.
-Dana
--
Aviation is like drugs: You go up, then you come down. You are out a
big pile of money and have nothing to show for it but the experience.
And you can't wait to do it again.
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
At 01:59 PM 9/19/2009, cristalclear13 wrote:
><cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
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>[Crying or Very sad]
>I put new choke seals on my Bing carbs. I am still having the same
>symptom...advance the throttle and I can't get over 3500-4000rpm.
Cristal, different engine and carb, but I had a similar problem on my
UltraStar. It would run OK at full throttle if you could get it there, but
would be reluctant to get there from cruise. The problem turned out to be
the needle clip position; it was running too rich at cruise power and the
engine just bogged down and wouldn't accelerate. The day was much hotter
and humider (is that a word? more humid, then) than the last time I'd
flown it.
I doubt it's a fuel delivery problem upstream of the carburetor; if that
was the case the carb bowl would fill up at lower power settings and then
it would run fine at WOT until the float bowl starved again (had that
problem once too).
-Dana
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Aviation is like drugs: You go up, then you come down. You are out a
big pile of money and have nothing to show for it but the experience.
And you can't wait to do it again.
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| Subject: | Re: What carb. inlet needle is best. |
At 05:20 PM 9/23/2009, Carl Tosh wrote:
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>Hi Gang, I am getting ready to replace the old Ultrastar mikuni needle and
>seat. What works best with the fuel pump, the plain needle or viton tip?
>It has the plain now just want to see what you all think and why.
Both will work the same, as long as they're the same size. The Viton
needle is supposed to last longer in a high vibration environment (which
our planes definitely are, compared to the rigidly mounted engine in a
snowmobile).
What you do need to make sure of is that you get a 1.5mm needle which is
used with a pump. Gravity feed installations use a larger needle.
-Dana
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Aviation is like drugs: You go up, then you come down. You are out a
big pile of money and have nothing to show for it but the experience.
And you can't wait to do it again.
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
Mystery solved and I am in the air again! Yippee!
Check her out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci_AWK1MvIE
It's a beautiful sound!
Here's the story. After replacing my choke seals and cleaning my carbs I moved
the throttle several times and saw that both slides were moving up and down in
sync. I specifically remember checking this because I was alone and had to
go from the front to the back checking it at intervals. Then when I went to test
fly it, I had this problem that I requested help from you all. I decided
to start with the easiest things...cleaning my air filter. Tuesday night while
I had the air filter off and had my son with me I had him move the throttle...low
and behold... one slide was not moving! Grr!
The throttle cable was out of the slide. I went ahead and put the new style of
the white cup in and put her back together. Had my son move the throttle several
times and everything looked ok, but it was too dark to try her out!
So this evening I went out and put on my clean air filters and cranked her up.
She sounded so good! I ran it up a bit and still sounded good. I untied her
and Took Off! It ran better than it ever has (which is what I was expecting
after replacing that deteriorated choke seal). Next time I pull that plug I expect
it to be the nice sandy brown that the other one has always been.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
> So this evening I went out and put on my clean air filters and cranked
her up. She sounded so good! I ran it up a bit and still sounded good. I
untied her and Took Off! It ran better than it ever has (which is what I
was expecting after replacing that deteriorated choke seal). Next time I
pull that plug I expect it to be the nice sandy brown that the other one has
always been.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
Hi Cristal/Gang:
I am happy for you.
Glad you found your problem.
Usually, I find my problems are something I have "messed" with, changed,
adjusted, etc.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| Subject: | Rice King clutches |
It is set up different, your clutch is stuck.
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Rice King clutches
At 10:36 AM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
Warp drive 3 blade 58". I practice shutting down the engine every now &
again, mostly on purpose, and the glide ratio is more a trajectory than a
glide, about 1 to 1. You have to point the nose at the ground all the way
down to keep airspeed up and the prop sounds like a shop fan behind you. I'm
currently flying a Quicksilver MXLII while my Twinstar is down for repairs
but it has the same setup. I fly in flat country with lots of fields. Don't
think I'd use the same setup in less forgiving terrain.
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Mine must be set up different - or a single seat is a lot different.
Shot with a wide angle lens - things look farther away than they really are
and I look higher than I really am, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n005ITFp9Q
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| Subject: | Re: Rice King clutches |
George is right, either your clutch has welded itself together or something
is wrong with the gear drive itself. With the engine off the clutch should
be completely disengaged leaving the prop to windmill. Can you spin the pro
p
freely when the engine is off?
Rick Girard
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:32 PM, George Myers <gmyers@grandecom.net> wrote:
> It is set up different, your clutch is stuck.
>
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> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *possums
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: Rice King clutches
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
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> Warp drive 3 blade 58=94. I practice shutting down the engine every now
&
> again, mostly on purpose, and the glide ratio is more a trajectory than a
> glide, about 1 to 1. You have to point the nose at the ground all the way
> down to keep airspeed up and the prop sounds like a shop fan behind you.
I=92m
> currently flying a Quicksilver MXLII while my Twinstar is down for repair
s
> but it has the same setup. I fly in flat country with lots of fields. Don
=92t
> think I=92d use the same setup in less forgiving terrain.
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serv
er@matronics.com<owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard
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>
> Mine must be set up different - or a single seat is a lot different.
> Shot with a wide angle lens - things look farther away than they really a
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> and I look higher than I really am, etc.
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| Subject: | Rice King clutches |
You guys with your clutches air getting soft - check this video out
at the link below - a dead stick take off and landing over bad terrain. jerb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z985xdXW-3w&NR=1
At 05:09 PM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
>At 10:36 AM 9/24/2009, you wrote:
>>Warp drive 3 blade 58". I practice shutting down the engine every
>>now & again, mostly on purpose, and the glide ratio is more a
>>trajectory than a glide, about 1 to 1. You have to point the nose
>>at the ground all the way down to keep airspeed up and the prop
>>sounds like a shop fan behind you. I'm currently flying a
>>Quicksilver MXLII while my Twinstar is down for repairs but it has
>>the same setup. I fly in flat country with lots of fields. Don't
>>think I'd use the same setup in less forgiving terrain.
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>>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [
>>mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
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>Mine must be set up different - or a single seat is a lot different.
>Shot with a wide angle lens - things look farther away than they really are
>and I look higher than I really am, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
I was actually just looking to hear how the hks does on the Mark III extra. Will
it climb with two aboard ? etc. I must have poorly worded my original post.
Rob Cannon
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
Just a guess on my part, since I have owned a Mark III with a 582. The
weight of my Firestar is pretty close to what most of the lighter Mark
III weigh. The wings on the 3 are larger so it would fly, but I wouldn't
want to own one.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: robcannon
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra
I was actually just looking to hear how the hks does on the Mark III
extra. Will it climb with two aboard ? etc. I must have poorly worded
my original post.
Rob Cannon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264872#264872
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