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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Help please - can't take off (cristalclear13)
2. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Help please - can't take off (Richard Girard)
3. 11:50 AM - Synch the Carbs (Lanny Fetterman)
4. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Help please - can't take off (HGRAFF@aol.com)
5. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Help please - can't take off (William Wheet)
6. 02:11 PM - Re: Synch the Carbs (Richard Girard)
7. 04:10 PM - Re: Synch the Carbs (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
8. 05:03 PM - Re: Synch the Carbs (cristalclear13)
9. 06:10 PM - 2 stroke carb synchronizing (Richard Girard)
10. 07:05 PM - Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (JetPilot)
11. 07:18 PM - Re: gyros (JetPilot)
12. 07:25 PM - Re: Glide at idle power vs prop stopped (JetPilot)
13. 08:04 PM - Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (Richard Pike)
14. 09:01 PM - Re: What carb. inlet needle is best. (dalewhelan)
15. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (Larry Cottrell)
16. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
John Hauck wrote:
> I am happy for you.
>
> Glad you found your problem.
>
> Usually, I find my problems are something I have "messed" with, changed,
> adjusted, etc.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
Yes, a little embarrassing, but a lot of good things came out of it. Clean air
filters, new style cup, new compensation tubes, and a lot of good advice to check
when the engine isn't running right...even things that the repair manual
doesn't mention, so maybe someone else will find this thread helpful when theirs
isn't running right.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
Now that you have it running again and you've gone to all the trouble to go
through the carbs, go the final step and synch the carbs. For the two
strokes it is a very simple process and the equipment to do it cost less
than $5. The whole process is detailed in the Heavy Maintenance Manual for
the 462-532-582 series engines. Unfortunately you can't download this from
ROAN so you'll have to know someone with a paper copy. I can scan it if you
can't find it locally.
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:19 AM, cristalclear13 <
cristalclearwaters@gmail.com> wrote:
> cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
>
> John Hauck wrote:
> > I am happy for you.
> >
> > Glad you found your problem.
> >
> > Usually, I find my problems are something I have "messed" with, changed,
> > adjusted, etc.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Rock House, Oregon
>
>
> Yes, a little embarrassing, but a lot of good things came out of it. Clean
> air filters, new style cup, new compensation tubes, and a lot of good advice
> to check when the engine isn't running right...even things that the repair
> manual doesn't mention, so maybe someone else will find this thread helpful
> when theirs isn't running right.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264896#264896
>
>
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Rick, I would also be interested if you scan that info. Lanny Do not
archive
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
Rick,
I as well would like to get a simple (and low cost) process of
synchronizing 2 cycle carbs.
So, if you scan that section in your manual, could you shoot me a copy as
well?
Thanks much,
Herb Graff
Mark III, 246KT
In a message dated 9/25/2009 2:13:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aslsa.rng@gmail.com writes:
Now that you have it running again and you've gone to all the trouble to
go through the carbs, go the final step and synch the carbs. For the two
strokes it is a very simple process and the equipment to do it cost less than
$5. The whole process is detailed in the Heavy Maintenance Manual for the
462-532-582 series engines. Unfortunately you can't download this from ROAN
so you'll have to know someone with a paper copy. I can scan it if you
can't find it locally.
Rick Girard
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Help please - can't take off |
Hi Rick I think U started something cause I also would like a copy
Thanks
Bill
FS 2
#682
503 dcdi
--- On Fri, 9/25/09, HGRAFF@aol.com <HGRAFF@aol.com> wrote:
From: HGRAFF@aol.com <HGRAFF@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Help please - can't take off
Rick,
-
I as well would like to get a simple (and low cost)-process of synchroniz
ing 2 cycle carbs.
So, if you scan that section in your manual, could you shoot me a copy as w
ell?
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Thanks much,-
-
Herb Graff
Mark III, 246KT
-
In a message dated 9/25/2009 2:13:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aslsa.rng@
gmail.com writes:
Now that you have it running again and you've gone to all the trouble to go
through the carbs, go the final step and synch the carbs. For the two stro
kes it is a very simple process and the equipment to do it cost less than $
5. The whole process is detailed in the Heavy Maintenance Manual for the 46
2-532-582 series engines. Unfortunately you can't download this from ROAN s
o you'll have to know someone with a paper copy. I can scan it if you can't
find it locally.
Rick Girard
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Synch the Carbs |
Sure, I'll scan it and post it tonight.
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>wrote:
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> Rick, I would also be interested if you scan that info. Lanny Do not
> archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Synch the Carbs |
Rick I think?it would be a good idea to ?post it to the list anyway if your willing,?that
info would be great to?help everyone else that has never known ?know
how to do it and to refresh minds like my own????:o)?
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 2:50 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Synch the Carbs
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Rick, I would also be interested if you scan that info. Lanny Do not archive?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Synch the Carbs |
rickofudall wrote:
> Sure, I'll scan it and post it tonight.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
>
I have the book, but it sure would help to see it done. Anyone already got or
can make a video? :)
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | 2 stroke carb synchronizing |
Here you go guys and gals. I'm not sure why Rotax has mechanical synching
after pneumatic. I do it the other way, that's how it's spec'd for the 912
and my HKS.This is really so simple, it just seems intimidating until you do
it once. As with all things done with a running engine, tie the plane down
and have an assistant ready to hit mag switch(es) if required. Before you
start raise throttle cable boots so you can get at the cable adjustment
screw. Give each cable a tug to see how much slop there is. When you get to
cable adjustment that's most likely the one that will have to be adjusted.
1. Adjust idle air screw per Rotax or Bing for your engine / carb combo.
2. Warm up engine to operating temperature
3. Hook up manometer (incidentally, someone on the list suggested two stroke
oil instead of water, I used transmission fluid because I had it loaded into
a pressure gun to fill the brake system on my trike. That is the easiest way
to get the fluid into the tube. Using oil also makes the levels a little
slower acting so you make an adjustment and wait a bit for the fluid column
to react. It's also less likely to get sucked into the engine if one carb is
severely out of synch to the other. To get the initial level set before you
hook up to the primer port blow into the tube with the higher level until
they're even.
4. Start engine and let idle. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb
connected to the fluid column with the lower level until the columns are
even. If that makes your idle speed too high adjust each screw back out
until you get the idle speed you want and both fluid columns are even. If
you do have to back out an idle adjustment screw make sure you haven't
brought the throttle cable up tight so that the carb piston is no longer
setting on the adjustment screw.
5. Set RPM to 3000. Loosen adjustment screw on the top of the carb with the
lower fluid column and screw out adjustment until columns are almost even
and tighten lock nut (this will raise the column very slightly, which is why
you don't want to get them exactly equal. It's not much but you are after
perfection, after all).
6. Shut off engine, disconnect manometer lines and plug with an AN 3 screw
so the manometer stays clean, replace primer plugs or lines.
I did my 582 while I had the wings off as spinning props make me nervous. I
put an eyebolt (my local surplus store sells them cheap) in the board so I
could safety wire the manometer to the aircraft, you could just as easily
drill a hole and run safety wire through it.
That's it.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
I have a MK III Xtra with a 100 HP Rotax 912-S, and its perfect. I would not want
much less power than I have though. The 80 HP Rotax 912 is pretty cheap used,
and would be a much better engine for the MK III Xtra than the HKS for this
plane. I think the MK III would be ok, but not great with 80 HP.
I think the MK III Xtra would be HORRIBLE with the HKS. I think climb would be
so poor with the HKS that it would be dangerous. This is just a guess as I
have never flown an extra with that little power... I do know what my MK III
Xtra climbs like if I run just over half power, and it hardly qualifies as a climb.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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[quote="russkinne(at)mac.com"]Mike
I apologise for not understanding your post correctly; but I'm hardly
'vindictive' or 'desperate', I don't need 'revenge' and I hope I'm
not 'pathetic'
Please accept my sincere apology.
Russ K
On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:21 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
>
Russ,
I misjudged your intentions, and I owe you the apology. I have removed my previous
post to you from the forum. Given what has gone on here on the list recently,
I was to quick to jump in with a harsh reply. Thanks for the nice response.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Glide at idle power vs prop stopped |
Thanks for the report Thom, I'm glad to see that my MK III Xtra is not the only
Kolb in the world that comes down faster with the engine off than at minimum
allowed idle. This is a good subject, it will help people to be more prepared
for engine failures.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
[quote="lcottrell"]Just a guess on my part, since I have owned a Mark III with
a 582. The weight of my Firestar is pretty close to what most of the lighter
Mark III weigh. The wings on the 3 are larger so it would fly, but I wouldn't
want to own one.
Larry
> ---
Reading this thread persuaded me to go back and dig out my April 1995 copy of General
Aviation News and Flyer, which had a full article on the MKIII with the
503 and 582. In the article, the 503 is described as "perfectly adequate."
(I can scan the article and post pictures of it if anybody cares)
I got a chance to fly a dual carb 503 powered MKIII with a passenger on board &
full fuel. This was a bare bones airplane, no electrical system, maybe just a
strobe, it weighed (supposedly) 475 pounds. It was really pretty much a dog,
and it was a cool morning.
So IMO, although the HKS makes more power than a 503, but less than a 582, unless
I lived in flat Midwest country, probably the HKS engine on a MKIII is not
a happy choice.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: What carb. inlet needle is best. |
I think Dana is referring to the needle seat.
The number usually denotes the inlet diameter in millimeters.
It is how Mikuni works, I am a little new to Bings.
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
So IMO, although the HKS makes more power than a 503, but less than a
582, unless I lived in flat Midwest country, probably the HKS engine on
a MKIII is not a happy choice.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Even though the HKS makes more power than the 503, I find that it is
offset by the additional weight. I can fly faster with the HKS, but I
cannot get off the ground as quick. The only plus is the "apparent"
safety factor of the four stroke, and the longer TBO.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
Well for what it's worth Richard, the original J-3 Cub started life with a
Continental A-40 engine of 37 hp and weighed 2/3 more than a Mk III. I was
flying my neighbor's Taylorcraft last week with an A-65 Continental and it
too weighs about 2/3 more than my Mk III. Flew real nice. My Mk III will out
climb the T craft but he blows by me (relatively speaking) over 15 mph
faster at slightly less fuel burn than my 582 can deliver. It's all
relative.
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
> [quote="lcottrell"]Just a guess on my part, since I have owned a Mark III
> with a 582. The weight of my Firestar is pretty close to what most of the
> lighter Mark III weigh. The wings on the 3 are larger so it would fly, but
> I wouldn't want to own one.
> Larry
>
> > ---
>
>
> Reading this thread persuaded me to go back and dig out my April 1995 copy
> of General Aviation News and Flyer, which had a full article on the MKIII
> with the 503 and 582. In the article, the 503 is described as "perfectly
> adequate."
>
> (I can scan the article and post pictures of it if anybody cares)
>
> I got a chance to fly a dual carb 503 powered MKIII with a passenger on
> board & full fuel. This was a bare bones airplane, no electrical system,
> maybe just a strobe, it weighed (supposedly) 475 pounds. It was really
> pretty much a dog, and it was a cool morning.
>
> So IMO, although the HKS makes more power than a 503, but less than a 582,
> unless I lived in flat Midwest country, probably the HKS engine on a MKIII
> is not a happy choice.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265067#265067
>
>
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