---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/29/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: Emergency landings (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:54 AM - Re: Emergency landings (pj.ladd) 3. 04:54 AM - Re: Emergency landings (pj.ladd) 4. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: gyros (pj.ladd) 5. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: gyros (Robert Laird) 6. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Emergency landings (pj.ladd) 7. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Emergency landings (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:34 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Emergency landings From: "Thom Riddle" Pat, I feel your frustration. I did the same thing shortly after returning home with my new-to-me Slingshot. Fortunately for me, the builder (a commercial electrician) of this fine Slingshot had the foresight to run a quick disconnect cable from the battery, buried deep in the nose, to an easy access point and also provided a set of cables with the quick disconnect fitting on one end and alligator clips on the other, so it was a simple matter to hook it up to my car battery, start the Jabiru and let the engine alternator charge the battery. It would have been a very large PITA to get to the battery itself, probably requiring removal of the nose cone. I plan to replace the current master switch with a lighted circuit breaker switch during the winter while my SS is stored. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265510#265510 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:09 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency landings sufficient for a light charge. Hi, Just about possible in a real emergency but I doubt that a `Light` charge will hack it. it needs a fair bit of wump to turn over four cylinders with no compression lifter. `<> Thats the boys. The ones who don`t know a sheet from a halliard and think they are sailors. Sorry! Prejudices showing. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:58 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency landings Yeah, what a puss! :-) >> I know Larry. I thought that when I typed it, but at my age there are other priorities. Like getting in my afternoon snooze and I had already driven to the field and back. Pathetic isn`t it? I can remember the time I would happily drag my boat 65 miles to the coast after work to get in a couple of hours sailing. Load it up and drive home again. Sadly that sort of energy has gone with the wind. Done my flying talk to the local school this morning. Now 12.50 and a lovely day. Nil wind, sunny. Intended to wash the plane today but may just have enough energy to drive to the field and refit the battery and perhaps get a circuit in this afternoon but I have a drinking appointment at the pub at 6 and that cuts the time down. Thats b*gg***d it. Wendy has just suggested that we go to the pub for lunch. Thats the whole day shot. Its a tough life but somebody has to do it. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:42 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: gyros He brought it to a hover at about 2000' feet and switched off the key. >> Hi Robert, having been interested in gyrocoptors ever since Bensen when gyros became `approved` over here I booked a ride. The instructor took us off pretty sharply and threw it around a bit and then brought it to a hover at about 1000 ft. I watched the ASI as the speed decayed and then we began to fly backwards. Its a funny feeling to a `normal` pilot to watch the ground retreating in front of you. He then said "I expect you are wondering what would happen if the engine stopped now` and switched off. Except that it got quiet it was a non event. He put the nose down and we descended fairly rapidly but not excessively so, flared and landed right on the numbers. Very nice. We then took off and he flew a chicane at about 5 feet all the way along a series of traffic cones. Super. The approval was withdrawn after a series of accidents shortly afterwards so I never pursued that particular branch of flying. New models are now back on the `approved `list so there are quite a few about but not for me. Cheer Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: gyros From: Robert Laird On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:08 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > The approval was withdrawn after a series of accidents shortly afterwards > so I never pursued that particular branch of flying. New models are now > back on the `approved `list so there are quite a few about but not for me. > The gyro community collectively had an epiphany in the not too distant past, whereas they realized that by making gyro's truly center-line-thrust, and by installing a horizontal stabilizer, the safety improvement was radical and game-changing. (Not 100% of the gyro enthusiasts agree with these two changes, but the aerodynamics are irrefutable.) The other change has been the improving training environment. Combined, these changes convinced me it was time to complement my fixed-wing flying, and I'm enjoying every moment. The thing I love best is my flight stability even in thermally, gusty, rough air -- very common in Texas. In my Kolb, I have to fight the plane, thrashing the stick around, dancing with my feet, to keep wings, well, almost level -- not much fun -- whereas in the gyro, in the same conditions, I notice the air is a bit more blustery, and when a gust hits the side of my empennage I might get a bit of yaw, but I can still fly hands and feet off! That is a huge difference in comfort and the feeling of stability.... much more enjoyable. And the turns are wicked! :-) -- Robert ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:43 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Emergency landings plan to replace the current master switch with a lighted circuit breaker switch >> Hi Thom, thats looks a good idea. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:54 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Emergency landings Just a suggestion, but I took two of the little colored auto lights, and use them to tell me when my master switch is on and when my electric fuel pump is on. They fit in a 1/2 inch hole. Of course my facet pump is connected to the master switch and when the switch is on, I can hear the pump working, so I have a visual and auditory clue that I am forgetting something. Cost is about 3 bucks apiece, when you need a good battery- Priceless! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: pj.ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Emergency landings plan to replace the current master switch with a lighted circuit breaker switch >> Hi Thom, thats looks a good idea. 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