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1. 01:37 AM - Re: Re: gyros ()
2. 05:32 AM - Re: Fw: Pictures of Middlefield: (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:18 AM - Msg for Matt Dralle (russ kinne)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: msg (russ kinne)
5. 11:18 AM - Re: your pilot certificate may be expiring! (Jeremy Casey)
6. 11:48 AM - Re: your pilot certificate may be expiring! (Thom Riddle)
7. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: gyros (pj.ladd)
8. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: gyros (Beauford T)
9. 04:59 PM - Heel brakes or ??? (albertakolbmk3)
10. 05:11 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
11. 05:27 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dana Hague)
12. 05:47 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Richard Girard)
13. 06:17 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (ces308)
14. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Larry Cottrell)
15. 07:10 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (HGRAFF@aol.com)
16. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (HGRAFF@aol.com)
17. 07:46 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Richard Pike)
18. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:08 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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He's { Peter Jackson} is working on a dam busters movie. He has a
collection of WW1 planes in Blenheim.The AirPort his aircraft fly from
is called Omaka . They are flown at wings over Wanaka every other Easter
and at the Marlborough air show every other Easter.
You can see some of the collection at Omaka Aviation Heritage centre.{
You can google that}
You will see more of this subject at "thevintageaviator.co.nz"
To keep this Kolb related ,My Kolb shares hanger space with my replica
Sopwith camal.
Regards
Downunder
MK111c
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From: pj.ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: gyros
bought up by the
makers of the film, "The Battle of Britain" >>
Hi Richard,
sad to think that film could not be made now. The planes do not exist
and the CG stuff just doesn`t cut it. See the last version of Tora!
Tora! Rubbish compared to the original even if they did use T6`s for
Zero`s.
Peter Jackson has a number of old planes stuck away in a hangar down
in NZ and there are runours that he would like to do a war
epic....vereee interesstting.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield: |
Gary,
Great photos of your Kolb, and I can see your VGs very well but can't measure their
location in the photo :-).
Mine are located with the top most part of the VG (aft end) at 6.5" aft of the
leading edge as measured parallel to the lower surface of the wing. This means
the aft end of the VG is 8.5" from the center of the leading edge tube as measured
along the upper surface of the wing with a flexible tape.
I sure like your Jabiru engine fairing.... how much you want for it? If you don't
want to sell it, maybe some day if you take your airplane out of service for
a couple weeks, I can borrow it from you to copy.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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Subject: | Msg for Matt Dralle |
Matt
A small thing perhaps, but I'm getting two copies of every incoming
email. You may have 2 email addresses for me?
preferred one is russkinne@mac.com
This one should also work - russ@rkiphoto.com
Thanx, best,
Russ Kinne
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Sorry,List; that should have gone only to Matt.
On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:18 AM, russ kinne wrote:
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> Matt
> A small thing perhaps, but I'm getting two copies of every incoming
> email. You may have 2 email addresses for me?
>
> preferred one is russkinne@mac.com
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> This one should also work - russ@rkiphoto.com
>
> Thanx, best,
> Russ Kinne
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Subject: | Re: your pilot certificate may be expiring! |
Hey thanks for the heads up...I had forgot about that upcoming date.
Link you provided saved a lot of time!
Jeremy
Yep non-Kolb related
do not archive
Dana Hague wrote:
> If you haven't heard, /all paper airman certificates will expire on
> March 31, 2010/. All pilots need to get a replacement plastic one
> (something stupid about drug enforcement cooperation, no doubt
> involving a lobbyist for the company making the counterfeit resistant
> cards). The fee is $2, unless you still have your SSN as your
> certificate number, in which case the replacement is free.
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> You can apply for the replacement online:
> <http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/>
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> -Dana
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> not directly Kolb related, so do not archive
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Subject: | Re: your pilot certificate may be expiring! |
Loosely connected to this is a rule that many forget or never knew:
If you don't do an official address change with the FAA within 30 days of moving,
your airman certificate is no longer valid. Upon doing the required address
change, it is then valid again, with no need to apply for a new one or any testing
other than normal currency requirements.
do not archive
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
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that works.
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He's { Peter Jackson} is working on a dam busters movie. >>
Thats great news. I understood something was brewing. What is Jackson
going to do about Guy Gibsons dog? You probably can`t call a dog
`Nigger` these days. Historical accuracy or will the pc fraternity win
out yet again.
Difficult film to make .The original with Richard Todd was a classic and
in spite of the poor `effects`(the best at the time) it is one of the
best war films (along with Ice Cold in Alex) produced. Those of my age
have a great feeling for that film and would hate to have it `messed
about`
In NZ for a month in Feb. next year but planning to stay in the Bay of
Islands so little chance of getting to South Island.
Cheers
Pat
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Rick:
That particular He-111, actually a Spanish-built CASA 2111, was
destroyed in a crash in Wyoming about 5 or 6 years ago. It lost an
engine and went in into a built-up area, killing all aboard. A
friend of mine knew the pilot, who was a pilot for one of the major
airlines. Airplane belonged to the CAF.
On a Kolb note... looks like the goo which used to be the Manatee
airstrip is beginning to dry out a bit. Management had closed the
eastern half of it because of the mud and water. Summer weather
pattern here appears to be breaking and the fall pattern ought to dry
it up pretty quickly... may be able to actually get in there and
commit some aviation with the Kleenex Kolb this coming week.
fingers crossed beauford
FF-076
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: gyros
Interesting. Not about the gyro, but the He 111. I was up at
Arlington (AWO) a few years back, and looked across from the
ultralight field to see an He 111 sitting on the ramp in front of the
airport office so I went over to see. The fellow who had flown it in
told me the story. It was Franco's personal airplane given him by
Hitler after the Spanish Civil War. It and all their Merlin powered Me
109's (they had been reengined in the 50's and 60's when the supply of
DB engines was exhausted) had been bought up by the makers of the
film, "The Battle of Britain" and the He (also Merlin powered) had
been surplused out after the filming was done. He wouldn't tell me who
owned the aircraft and he wouldn't give me a ride even when I offered
to buy the gas. Oh well.....
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM, pj.ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
wrote:
That is a huge difference in comfort and the feeling of
stability.... much
more enjoyable. And the turns are wicked!>>
Hi Robert,
The improved `gust resistance` is due to the high wing loading I
assume. Re turns. The instructor I flew with when he finished his
slalom of the traffic cones said `Lets go across the field and attack
that hangar. We got clearance and dashed across the field, over the
main runway, at about 20 ft. and to my amazement there was a Heinkel
111 parked in the lee of the hangar. Where it came from or if it was
real or a mock up I never found out but we bored into the attack by
flying down the opposite side of the hangar, banking steeply, round
the side wall and popped out behind the hangar with metaphoric guns
blazing. Great fun..
Nearly made me forget the picture of a pilot flying a
demonstration of a Benson. I don`t think he had ever flown a gyro
before but he was the only guy they could get. He looked scared to
death before he even got into the thing. He got it into the air and
did the most tentative circuit I have ever seen. Obviously the blades
had not been balanced and the stick was shaking in the pilots hand,
backward s a forwards every time the blades went round. He put the
plane down and staggered away without a backward glance and could not
be persuaded to fly again. Never seen a guy so scared.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Heel brakes or ??? |
Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand etc. on
MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they are spaced
so close together and sometimes get in the way.
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Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I have heal brakes on my Mk3C that I feel the levers are to short and I cant get
enough pressure on them to get good braking power with the 800-6 Tires I have
on it now? I am going to extend the pedals if that doesnt cut it I will make
toe brakes next
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:58 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Heel brakes or ???
Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand etc. on
MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they are spaced
so close together and sometimes get in the way.
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Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
At 07:58 PM 10/1/2009, albertakolbmk3 wrote:
>Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand
>etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that
>they are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the way.
I have heel brakes on my UltraStar and I feel it's the perfect setup. The
levers connect to Hegar cylinders driving Black Max brakes.
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I have heel brakes on my Mk III with Azusa brakes. Hate the things. The
brakes are adequate for the job, the heel levers make them difficult to
use. They will NOT be on the aircraft next spring.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> At 07:58 PM 10/1/2009, albertakolbmk3 wrote:
>
>> Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand
>> etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they
>> are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the way.
>>
>
> I have heel brakes on my UltraStar and I feel it's the perfect setup. The
> levers connect to Hegar cylinders driving Black Max brakes.
>
> -Dana
> --
> Mr. Cole's Axiom:
> The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is
> growing.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
......I like my toe brakes.....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 70.hrs
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I don't have a Mark III, but I do have a Firestar if that counts. I did
have a Mark III with heel brakes, and I didn't like them. I have tried
toe brakes on a 150, didn't like that either. I used to have one hand
brake on the Firestar and changed it to two individual hand brakes on
the stick. I like that a lot. I had to make a "deally bob" to hold the
levers, but it was worth it.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: ces308
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
......I like my toe brakes.....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 70.hrs
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I concur, also hating the suckers! On real tight turning situations, I
use one foot to operate the rudder, then the other foot to assist on the
brake, a real meschuckene operation. Rick, when you are done with the
change-over, take some pictures to show, you may start a trend.
On a previous Homebuilt, a Zenair CH200, also a tail dragger, I needed to
change the angle of the brake pad activator, further back to avoid
inadvertent use. Yes, then one had to pretty much stand on tip-toe to activate
the
brakes, but it was reasonably safe from putting the aircraft on its nose
inadvertently. Multiple attach holes on the activator arm may let you more
easily find the correct angle while flight/taxi testing.
Herb Graff
Mark III, 246KT
In a message dated 10/1/2009 8:47:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aslsa.rng@gmail.com writes:
I have heel brakes on my Mk III with Azusa brakes. Hate the things. The
brakes are adequate for the job, the heel levers make them difficult to use.
They will NOT be on the aircraft next spring.
Rick Girard
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
You got pictures????
Herb Graff
Mark III 246KT
In a message dated 10/1/2009 9:17:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ces308@ldaco.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
......I like my toe brakes.....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 70.hrs
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
albertakolbmk3 wrote:
> Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand etc.
on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they are spaced
so close together and sometimes get in the way.
Know how you feel. Rigged up a different variation of hand brake levers for the
MKIII, you actuate them by pushing straight down with the left hand. Sounds odd,
works good, and after you do it once or twice, it becomes very intuitive.
Just have to be careful when fastening the seat belt, if you aren't paying attention,
you can loop the belt over them. (Hmmm... Wonder why it takes full power
to taxi?)
Here are the pictures.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg4.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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