Kolb-List Digest Archive

Fri 10/02/09


Total Messages Posted: 43



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     1. 12:13 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? ()
     2. 05:07 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Thom Riddle)
     3. 06:12 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (frank.goodnight)
     4. 06:42 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (albertakolbmk3)
     5. 06:42 AM - where are you? (frank.goodnight)
     6. 06:54 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (zeprep251@aol.com)
     7. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Pictures of Middlefield: (zeprep251@aol.com)
     8. 07:48 AM - Re: Fw: Pictures of Middlefield: (Thom Riddle)
     9. 08:50 AM - Re: where are you? (Ralph B)
    10. 08:58 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot)
    11. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dana Hague)
    12. 11:06 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (George Alexander)
    13. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (robert bean)
    14. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Jack B. Hart)
    15. 01:27 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    16. 01:32 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot)
    17. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    18. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    19. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    20. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    21. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    22. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
    23. 01:52 PM - sorry (b young)
    24. 02:21 PM - Powerfin props (frank.goodnight)
    25. 02:58 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Jim ODay)
    26. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dana Hague)
    27. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (zeprep251@aol.com)
    28. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (zeprep251@aol.com)
    29. 03:51 PM - Re: Powerfin props (robert bean)
    30. 03:51 PM - Re: sorry (zeprep251@aol.com)
    31. 04:21 PM - Re: Powerfin props (Richard Girard)
    32. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck)
    33. 05:12 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Richard Pike)
    34. 05:15 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot)
    35. 05:19 PM - Re: Powerfin props (JetPilot)
    36. 06:01 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Jimmy Young)
    37. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (russ kinne)
    38. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (chris davis)
    39. 06:43 PM - Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing (Richard Girard)
    40. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck)
    41. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck)
    42. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (chris davis)
    43. 08:31 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (dalewhelan)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:13:08 AM PST US
    From: <aoldman@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    Toe brakes on MK111c and like them , they work great , although I have to admit I would use them more for ground maneuvering mostly ,long grass runways don't need a lot of braking. Downunder MK111c ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? I don't have a Mark III, but I do have a Firestar if that counts. I did have a Mark III with heel brakes, and I didn't like them. I have tried toe brakes on a 150, didn't like that either. I used to have one hand brake on the Firestar and changed it to two individual hand brakes on the stick. I like that a lot. I had to make a "deally bob" to hold the levers, but it was worth it. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: ces308 To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? ......I like my toe brakes..... chris ambrose M3X/Jab 70.hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265963#265963 http://www.matronicp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - www.avg.com 10/01/09 18:23:00


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    Time: 05:07:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    My Slingshot has dual caliper Matco brakes. One caliper on each wheel is actuated with a single hand lever operated master cylinder on the stick for straight ahead stopping, i.e., non-differential braking. The other caliper on each wheel is actuated independently from heel operated master cylinders below the rudder pedals. These are used for tight turning. I use them all for added brake capacity during run-ups. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266017#266017


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    Time: 06:12:10 AM PST US
    From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    Hyd. heel brakes on my firestar 2. They work really good , but I HATE them . they are difficult to use & I don"t trust myself to be able to them use correctly if a bad situation develops. I'm not confortable with them even after 100 hrs of flight time and who knows how many landings. On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:58 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote: Frank Goodnight Firestar2 Brownsville , TX > > > > Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, > hand etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I > find that they are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the > way. > > -------- > Kolb MKIII C > Rotax 582 > C Gearbox 3.00:1 > WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265944#265944 > >


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    Time: 06:42:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
    Interesting... seems most have heel brakes and they don't like them either. I find mine work really well and that is where the problem lies. A few times after just touching down I accidentally hit one and veered me to that side of the runway. A little scary when your not expecting it. Anyone have pictures of their toe brake setup? -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266032#266032


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    Time: 06:42:15 AM PST US
    From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: where are you?
    As a newcomer to the list , I've not had the privilge to meet or comunicate with most of you. Most of the [oldtimers] seem to know a lot about each other. I;m interested in knowing more about the people that fly kolb's and then make the posts that I read every morning. It would help me , and I'm sure , other newcomers, if occasionaly when you sign off you would state what city & state you are in. Thanks Frank Goodnight firestar Brownsville , TX


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    Time: 06:54:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    Cherie, Heel brakes.They are,they do,but you get used to them. ?G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun@xplornet.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Heel brakes or ??? Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the way. -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265944#265944


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    Time: 07:43:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield:
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    Thom, ?At one time I took some detailed photos of the fairing and mountings.I can't remember if I sent them to the list or another person back copy.Have you seen them? ? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 8:31 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield: Gary, Great photos of your Kolb, and I can see your VGs very well but can't measure their location in the photo :-). Mine are located with the top most part of the VG (aft end) at 6.5" aft of the leading edge as measured parallel to the lower surface of the wing. This means the aft end of the VG is 8.5" from the center of the leading edge tube as measured along the upper surface of the wing with a flexible tape. I sure like your Jabiru engine fairing.... how much you want for it? If you don't want to sell it, maybe some day if you take your airplane out of service for a couple weeks, I can borrow it from you to copy. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265831#265831


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    Time: 07:48:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield:
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Gary, Yes, I have them. I forgot I had them but then remembered seeing them somewhere and found them. Thanks! do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266063#266063


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    Time: 08:50:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: where are you?
    From: "Ralph B" <ul15@juno.com>
    Frank, If you join the Kolb forum list here, the names of people and where they live are shown when they make a post if they fill in the information about themselves. http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=5 Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 970 hours 22 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 1 year flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266073#266073


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    Time: 08:58:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Toe brakes are the standard in the aviation world, from th smallest to the biggest planes. Toe brakes are not complicated or hard to make, it just seems that ultralight designers like to take shortcuts on this item. Reversing the brakes with the rudder pedals is just a setup for disaster, as albertakolbMKIII just pointed out with his experience. I have toe brakes, they don't weigh any more than a heel brake setup, the my Kolb has standard controls just like every other plane in the world. Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and substandard. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266075#266075 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbtoebrakes_152.jpg


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    Time: 10:24:54 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    At 11:58 AM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote: >...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and >substandard. I don't agree at all; heel brakes aren't substandard, just a different (earlier) standard. Like probably most on this list, I learned to fly with toe brakes (in a C-150). When I bought my first plane, a 1941 Taylorcraft, it had heel brakes. Took a short while to get used to, but I soon came to prefer it. One disadvantage of toe brakes is that it's easy to inadvertently apply brake when using the rudder. One difference on my T-Craft is that the heel brakes were to the _outside_ of the rudder pedals, rather than to the inside as in my UltraStar. I haven't made up my mind which is better... it's been so long since I flew the T-Craft the UltraStar didn't feel awkward. I didn't care for the hand brake on the Quicksilver I was flying for awhile, but that _was_ a design shortcut, using bicycle components... and pretty anemic to boot. Thousands of production aircraft have been built with both heel and hand brakes. -Dana -- Remember when a trojan was a warrior?


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    Time: 11:06:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
    JetPilot wrote: > .............my Kolb has standard controls just like every other plane in the world. Maybe most..... certainly many, but hardly "every other plane in the world." JetPilot wrote: > .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and substandard. > > Mike But may be a necessity. I know the original question related to MKIII's, but those of us Kolb flyers with smaller nose cones (e.g. Firestars, Fireflys and some Ultrastars), and who have big feet, generally don't have much choice . Operating the rudder pedals with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes enough of a challenge. A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of an accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case. Work hard to avoid situations where brakes are critical. Can't always do that, but as some would say... "you pays your money and takes your chances". As Beauford says..... worth what you paid fer it. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266093#266093


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    Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    The Aeronca Chief had a dandy heel brake design, little levers at the bottom of the rudder pedals and cable operated. -foolproof except when the cables froze with ice in the fairleads on the bottom of the gearlegs. You could turn and brake at your need. The Champs had an awkward pedal sticking out of the floor. My MkIII has what I thought at the time I was creating it, a brilliant design. Throttle handle actuated. I reinforced the throttle bar and had a rod actuate a Girling (copy) master cylinder. There is a little concealed reliever spring built into the throttle cable at the carb so it will back up from closed throttle. I also put a brake lock in the line so I could do a runup. Ignorant at the time of the leverage required, the output is puny and I have to pull fairly hard to get much to happen. I haven't retrofitted it because I fly off of grass. Eventually. BB wet and overcast Scottsville, NY On 2, Oct 2009, at 2:06 PM, George Alexander wrote: > <gtalexander@att.net> > > > JetPilot wrote: >> .............my Kolb has standard controls just like every other >> plane in the world. > > > Maybe most..... certainly many, but hardly "every other plane in > the world." > > > JetPilot wrote: >> .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a >> design shortcut and substandard. >> >> Mike > > > But may be a necessity. I know the original question related to > MKIII's, but those of us Kolb flyers with smaller nose cones (e.g. > Firestars, Fireflys and some Ultrastars), and who have big feet, > generally don't have much choice . Operating the rudder pedals > with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes enough of a > challenge. A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of an > accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case. Work hard > to avoid situations where brakes are critical. Can't always do > that, but as some would say... "you pays your money and takes your > chances". > > As Beauford says..... worth what you paid fer it. > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://gtalexander.home.att.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266093#266093 > >


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    Time: 12:46:19 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    Been flying the FireFly with home made band brakes activated by a single lever on the stick. Up to this point, I have not found any need for separate wheel braking. I fly off from and to hard surface runways almost 100%. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 01:27:35 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my heal brakes are close as well,,,, love them. Boyd Young Kolb MKIIIC


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    Time: 01:32:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    It makes no difference what a Aeronca , Taylorcraft, or a few small manufacturers may have done 60 years ago, the standard has long since been decided... The first motorcycles used to have a reverse clutch that had to be constantly squeezed to engage the motor, we have since learned that it was a horrible idea and we now have a world standard that is the opposite. Same goes for some old airplanes, lots of things have been tried over the decades in airplanes, big deal... We now have a standard of toe brakes, and for very good reasons. Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even on a very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes, levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with are a substandard shortcut. There will alway be a few that say " it works for me " and accept anything, as we have seen on past discussions of Fuel Filters, and other things. When possible I believe in making my Kolb to accepted Aircraft standards, It's not always possible but I do it where I can, and toe brakes is one that can be easily done on the MK III. Smaller ultralights and the Firefly may be more difficult, each person will have to decide for themselves. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266112#266112


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    Time: 01:49:18 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    >...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and >substandard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them. a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just different. Boyd Young Kolb MkIIIC Brigham City, Ut.


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    Time: 01:49:18 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    >...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and >substandard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them. a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just different. Boyd Young Kolb MkIIIC Brigham City, Ut.


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    Time: 01:49:19 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    >...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and >substandard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them. a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just different. Boyd Young Kolb MkIII Brigham City, Ut.


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    Time: 01:49:22 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    >...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and >substandard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them. a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just different. Boyd Young Kolb MkIIIC Brigham City, Ut.


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    Time: 01:49:32 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    >...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and >substandard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them. a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just different. Boyd Young Kolb MkIIIC Brigham City, Ut.


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    Time: 01:51:56 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad do not archive Boyd


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    Time: 01:52:19 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: sorry
    about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad do not archive Boyd


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    Time: 02:21:42 PM PST US
    From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Powerfin props
    I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge material so I might rain proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after checking the web [to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they are in the process of going out of business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my powerfin prop. Frank Goodnight firestar Brownsville , TX


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    Time: 02:58:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "Jim ODay" <jimoday@hotmail.com>
    Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted as standard. Either did Homer Kolb. I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner. Fly safe all, Jim -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266137#266137 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fs_brakes_119.jpg


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    Time: 03:13:01 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote: >...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even on a >very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes, >levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with >are a substandard shortcut... Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean that tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are "substandard". It's a matter of preference... and sometimes simplicity is better. -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and heel brakes) -- To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid


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    Time: 03:40:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    Jim, Are you grounded or flying another brand? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Jim ODay <jimoday@hotmail.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 5:57 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted as standard. Either did Homer Kolb. I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner. Fly safe all, Jim -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266137#266137 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fs_brakes_119.jpg


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    Time: 03:40:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    Dana, I heard it said" that with age comes wisdom,but sometimes age comes alone".My greatest fear. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:03 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? ? At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:? >...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even on a >very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes, >levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with >are a substandard shortcut...? ? Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean that tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are "substandard". It's a matter of preference... and sometimes simplicity is better.? ? -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and heel brakes)? ? --? ?To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid? ? ? ?


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    Time: 03:51:33 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Powerfin props
    I heard that too. They did have a good product. Could be the economy but it's more likely the lawyers got to them first. BB On 2, Oct 2009, at 5:18 PM, frank.goodnight wrote: > <frank.goodnight@att.net> > > > I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge > material so I might rain > proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after > checking the web > [to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they > are in the process of going out of > business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my > powerfin prop. > > Frank Goodnight > firestar > Brownsville , TX > >


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    Time: 03:51:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: sorry
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    Boyd, ?We felt that you were just being emphatic. G.Aman,my heel brakes are fine. -----Original Message----- From: b young <by0ung@brigham.net> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 4:52 pm Subject: Kolb-List: sorry ? about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad? ? do not archive? Boyd? ? ? ?


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    Time: 04:21:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Powerfin props
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Oh great, now my trike has an orphan prop. Crap. They should have stayed in Arlington. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > I heard that too. They did have a good product. Could be the economy but > it's more likely > the lawyers got to them first. > BB > > > On 2, Oct 2009, at 5:18 PM, frank.goodnight wrote: > >> frank.goodnight@att.net> >> >> >> I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge material >> so I might rain >> proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after checking the >> web >> [to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they are in >> the process of going out of >> business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my powerfin prop. >> >> Frank Goodnight >> firestar >> Brownsville , TX >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 04:40:58 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    > There will alway be a few that say " it works for me " and accept anything, as we have seen on past discussions of Fuel Filters, and other things. When possible I believe in making my Kolb to accepted Aircraft standards, It's not always possible but I do it where I can, and toe brakes is one that can be easily done on the MK III. Smaller ultralights and the Firefly may be more difficult, each person will have to decide for themselves. > > Mike Damn, Mike B/Gang: You're making me feel bad. ;-) I have heel brakes, been using the same fuel filter housing since 1984, don't have VG's stuck on my airplane, but I still have my hair and bad breath. I can assure you I do not accept just anything, even though it works for me. My Kolb is already at accepted aircraft standards. Got a certificate that indicates that. I don't care for toe brakes. Flew them in the CH-54, Flying Crane (only aircraft I ever flew with wheels, until I flew my Ultrastar without brakes); C-152, and the MKIIIx. They work ok for me, but I like my little bitty heel brakes. I also like differential braking. Gives me a lot more capability. I don't care for brake handles on control sticks or other places around the cockpit. My left hand is busy with throttle and my right with the control stick. I can operate my brakes with my heels and the rudder pedals with my toes. When I fly my airplane, I fly with shoes or boots with small heels. This accomodates and simplifies the braking operation. Sitting here in Wendover, UT, overlooking Wendover Air Base, a very historical piece of real estate in American history. Get a chance, do a google search on the old WWII air base. john h Wendover, UT


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    Time: 05:12:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    John Hauck wrote: > > > Damn, Mike B/Gang: > > You're making me feel bad. ;-) > > I have heel brakes, been using the same fuel filter housing since 1984, > don't have VG's stuck on my airplane, but I still have my hair and bad > breath. I can assure you I do not accept just anything, even though it > works for me. My Kolb is already at accepted aircraft standards. Got a > certificate that indicates that. > > I don't care for toe brakes. Flew them in the CH-54, Flying Crane (only > aircraft I ever flew with wheels, until I flew my Ultrastar without brakes); > C-152, and the MKIIIx. They work ok for me, but I like my little bitty heel brakes. > > I also like differential braking. Gives me a lot more capability. I don't > care for brake handles on control sticks or other places around the cockpit. > My left hand is busy with throttle and my right with the control stick. I > can operate my brakes with my heels and the rudder pedals with my toes. > > > john h > Wendover, UT I don't like toe brakes either. And quite frankly, I love having the brakes where I can lean on them with my throttle/left hand. Because the only time I need to use both throttle and brakes at the same time is when I'm taxiing and trying to get turned on a dime. And since I got a bad knee and arthritis in one foot, it makes life a lot easier. On the other hand, starting next month I will begin the rebuild on the FSII, and I did not like the heel brakes set up according to how the factory did it. Since this is a total rebuild, there are lots of options, including heel brakes that are user friendly. So - do you have any pictures of your heel brakes setup, especially any from the underside with the skin or the nose bowl off? Maybe you got something I can copy. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266164#266164


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    Time: 05:15:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Jim ODay wrote: > Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted as standard. Either did Homer Kolb. > > I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner. > > Fly safe all, > > Jim Jim, That is a really nice workmanship on your firestar pedals. As far as Burt Rutan, I would be willing to bet his recent airplanes have toe brakes and a standard set of controls as possible. There is a difference between trying to to do something better, or more efficiently, and taking shortcuts that result in non standard unfriendly controls. Burt Rutans work speaks for itself, he is all about advancing aviation and making things better, not taking shortcuts. Funny that a forum that rejects the aerodynamic facts of properly designed wingtips, and until very recently VG's, would quote Burt Rutan. Most people on this forum have been on the wrong side of what Burt Rutan is all about... Standardized flight controls is something that has been accepted by the entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by me. No wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an unfriendly place that values personal politics over good advice and facts. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266165#266165


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    Time: 05:19:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Powerfin props
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Its most likely the Lawyers... They sold a LOT of props and were in the process of getting new and more advanced equipment. Given the popularity of their prop, I would be willing to be that after the bankrupcy, or whatever happens, that someone buys the rights to them and starts production. Just a guess, but Powerfin props are so widely used by so many people, it would make business sense for someone to start the line again. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266167#266167


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    Time: 06:01:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100@comcast.net>
    I've got heel brakes, work great, like them just fine. -------- Jimmy Young Houston, TX FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266171#266171


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    Time: 06:05:25 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    Good one Gary! Glad there are Kolb s -- this is now Kolb-related Russ On Oct 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote: > Dana, > I heard it said" that with age comes wisdom,but sometimes age comes > alone".My greatest fear. > G.Aman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:03 pm > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? > > > At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote: > >...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even > on a >very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that > heel brakes, >levers, strings, or what every crazy design some > people have come up with >are a substandard shortcut... > > Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it > substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have > nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean > that tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are > "substandard". It's a matter of preference... and sometimes > simplicity is better. > > -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, > and heel brakes) > > -- > To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid > >


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    Time: 06:24:16 PM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    I flew my- KXP out of a very active airfleld for 10 years with a little f orethought and --- NO BRAKES---My advice ,-if its worth anyth ing--is go with OldPoops 2 hand actuated brake handles and use some for ethought,- act like you are running a 50 foot 40 ton boat ,which has no b rakes and carry on with grace!-Chris---------=0A-Chri s Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Fir efly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: George Alexand er <gtalexander@att.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October 2, 2009 2:06:17 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???=0A=0A--> K olb-List message posted by: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>=0A=0A =0AJetPilot wrote:=0A> .............my Kolb has standard controls just like every other plane in the world.=0A- =0A=0AMaybe most..... certainly many , but hardly- "every other plane in the world."=0A=0A=0A=0AJetPilot wrote :=0A> .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design s hortcut and substandard.=0A> =0A> Mike=0A=0A=0ABut may be a necessity.- I know the original question related to MKIII's,- but those of us Kolb fly ers with smaller nose cones (e.g. Firestars, Fireflys and some Ultrastars), and who have big feet, generally don't have much choice .- Operating the rudder pedals- with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes enoug h of a challenge.- A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of an accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case.- Work hard to av oid situations where brakes are critical.- Can't always do that, but as s ome would say... "you pays your money and takes your chances".=0A=0AAs Beau ford says..... worth what you paid fer it.=0A=0A--------=0AGeorge Alexander =0AFS II R503- N709FS=0Ahttp://gtalexander.home.att.net=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A =========================0A =0A=0A


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    Time: 06:43:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Oops! Hopefully I caught this before someone goes out to their plane and tries using my version of the Rotax instructions.4, Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level .....WRONG, should be higher level. Higher level means more vacuum, opening the throttle lowers vacuum. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level ....Well, at least I'm consistent, again should be higher level, same reason. Sorry guys and gals, typed faster than my brain could follow and confused manometer and vacuum gauges. Didn't catch it until I was expanding the email text for an article in the Chapter 88 newsletter this evening. My apologies if I caused any confusion. Rick Girard On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: > Here you go guys and gals. I'm not sure why Rotax has mechanical synching > after pneumatic. I do it the other way, that's how it's spec'd for the 912 > and my HKS.This is really so simple, it just seems intimidating until you > do it once. As with all things done with a running engine, tie the plane > down and have an assistant ready to hit mag switch(es) if required. Before > you start raise throttle cable boots so you can get at the cable adjustment > screw. Give each cable a tug to see how much slop there is. When you get to > cable adjustment that's most likely the one that will have to be adjusted. > > 1. Adjust idle air screw per Rotax or Bing for your engine / carb combo. > 2. Warm up engine to operating temperature > 3. Hook up manometer (incidentally, someone on the list suggested two > stroke oil instead of water, I used transmission fluid because I had it > loaded into a pressure gun to fill the brake system on my trike. That is the > easiest way to get the fluid into the tube. Using oil also makes the levels > a little slower acting so you make an adjustment and wait a bit for the > fluid column to react. It's also less likely to get sucked into the engine > if one carb is severely out of synch to the other. To get the initial level > set before you hook up to the primer port blow into the tube with the higher > level until they're even. > 4. Start engine and let idle. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb > connected to the fluid column with the lower level until the columns are > even. If that makes your idle speed too high adjust each screw back out > until you get the idle speed you want and both fluid columns are even. If > you do have to back out an idle adjustment screw make sure you haven't > brought the throttle cable up tight so that the carb piston is no longer > setting on the adjustment screw. > 5. Set RPM to 3000. Loosen adjustment screw on the top of the carb with the > lower fluid column and screw out adjustment until columns are almost even > and tighten lock nut (this will raise the column very slightly, which is why > you don't want to get them exactly equal. It's not much but you are after > perfection, after all). > 6. Shut off engine, disconnect manometer lines and plug with an AN 3 screw > so the manometer stays clean, replace primer plugs or lines. > > I did my 582 while I had the wings off as spinning props make me nervous. I > put an eyebolt (my local surplus store sells them cheap) in the board so I > could safety wire the manometer to the aircraft, you could just as easily > drill a hole and run safety wire through it. > That's it. > > Rick Girard >


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    Time: 06:52:35 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    So - do you have any pictures of your heel brakes setup, especially any from the underside with the skin or the nose bowl off? Maybe you got something I can copy. > > Richard Pike Rev/Gang: I probably have some pics of the brakes at home. I built them per Kolb MKIII plans on the right side of the cockpit. Used MATCO horizontal master cylinders and a loop of 1/4 clear plastic fuel line for the reservoir. Drilled a couple 1/8" holes in the top of the loop which is attached to the tube the rudder pedal springs are attached to. Works great. john h Wendover, UT


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    Time: 07:02:08 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    > Standardized flight controls is something that has been accepted by the entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by me. No wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an unfriendly place that values personal politics over good advice and facts. > > Mike Mike B/Gang: Most of us Kolbers that have been around for a while, that are really into Kolb aircraft, aren't a whole lot interested in "standardized flight controls" and what "has been accepted by the entire aviation world." What I have works and works well. Where my little mkIII has flown speaks for itself. Every member of the List has the right to agree or disagree with anyone else on this List. The Kolb List was not an unfriendly List before you got here and it is not an unfriendly List now. Some of the members may be, but the List, as a whole, is not. Getting ready to cross the street to the Rainbow Casino and attempt to devour all the King Crab Legs I can at the Sea Food Buffet. ;-) john h mkIII Wendover, UT


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    Time: 08:25:47 PM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    =0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A John , every time my fingers get raised to make a reactionary coment , you reply with that great , mellow attitude and say what I was going to say but , the way "it should be said" thank you for your input, with respect ! Chr is=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from cra sh building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fr i, October 2, 2009 9:58:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or m>=0A=0A=0A> Standardized flight controls is something that has been accept ed by the entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by m e.- - No wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an u nfriendly place that values personal politics over good advice and facts. =0A> =0A> Mike=0A=0A=0AMike B/Gang:=0A=0AMost of us Kolbers that have been around for a while, that are really into Kolb aircraft, aren't a whole lot interested in "standardized flight controls" and what "has been accepted by the entire aviation world."=0A=0AWhat I have works and works well.- Wher e my little mkIII has flown speaks for itself.=0A=0AEvery member of the Lis t has the right to agree or disagree with anyone else on this List.- The Kolb List was not an unfriendly List before you got here and it is not an u nfriendly List now.- Some of the members may be, but the List, as a whole , is not.=0A=0AGetting ready to cross the street to the Rainbow Casino and attempt to devour all the King Crab Legs I can at the Sea Food Buffet.- ; ====0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:31:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heel brakes or ???
    From: "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan@earthlink.net>
    Would it be more standard if I replaced my fabric with aluminum or should I go for carbon fiber? I think I need a Continental as well, not sure the 912 is really standard aircraft stuff -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266198#266198




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