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2. 05:07 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (frank.goodnight)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (albertakolbmk3)
5. 06:42 AM - where are you? (frank.goodnight)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (zeprep251@aol.com)
7. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Pictures of Middlefield: (zeprep251@aol.com)
8. 07:48 AM - Re: Fw: Pictures of Middlefield: (Thom Riddle)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: where are you? (Ralph B)
10. 08:58 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dana Hague)
12. 11:06 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (George Alexander)
13. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (robert bean)
14. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Jack B. Hart)
15. 01:27 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
16. 01:32 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
18. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
19. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
20. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
21. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
22. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young)
23. 01:52 PM - sorry (b young)
24. 02:21 PM - Powerfin props (frank.goodnight)
25. 02:58 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Jim ODay)
26. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dana Hague)
27. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (zeprep251@aol.com)
28. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (zeprep251@aol.com)
29. 03:51 PM - Re: Powerfin props (robert bean)
30. 03:51 PM - Re: sorry (zeprep251@aol.com)
31. 04:21 PM - Re: Powerfin props (Richard Girard)
32. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck)
33. 05:12 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Richard Pike)
34. 05:15 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot)
35. 05:19 PM - Re: Powerfin props (JetPilot)
36. 06:01 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Jimmy Young)
37. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (russ kinne)
38. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (chris davis)
39. 06:43 PM - Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing (Richard Girard)
40. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck)
41. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck)
42. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (chris davis)
43. 08:31 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (dalewhelan)
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Toe brakes on MK111c and like them , they work great , although I have
to admit I would use them more for ground maneuvering mostly ,long grass
runways don't need a lot of braking.
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
I don't have a Mark III, but I do have a Firestar if that counts. I
did have a Mark III with heel brakes, and I didn't like them. I have
tried toe brakes on a 150, didn't like that either. I used to have one
hand brake on the Firestar and changed it to two individual hand brakes
on the stick. I like that a lot. I had to make a "deally bob" to hold
the levers, but it was worth it.
Larry
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From: ces308
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
......I like my toe brakes.....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 70.hrs
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
My Slingshot has dual caliper Matco brakes. One caliper on each wheel is actuated
with a single hand lever operated master cylinder on the stick for straight
ahead stopping, i.e., non-differential braking. The other caliper on each wheel
is actuated independently from heel operated master cylinders below the rudder
pedals. These are used for tight turning. I use them all for added brake capacity
during run-ups.
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Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Hyd. heel brakes on my firestar 2. They work really good , but I HATE
them . they are difficult
to use & I don"t trust myself to be able to them use correctly if a
bad situation develops. I'm
not confortable with them even after 100 hrs of flight time and who
knows how many landings.
On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:58 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote:
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
Brownsville , TX
> >
>
> Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel,
> hand etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I
> find that they are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the
> way.
>
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> Rotax 582
> C Gearbox 3.00:1
> WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Interesting... seems most have heel brakes and they don't like them either. I find
mine work really well and that is where the problem lies. A few times after
just touching down I accidentally hit one and veered me to that side of the
runway. A little scary when your not expecting it. Anyone have pictures of their
toe brake setup?
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Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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As a newcomer to the list , I've not had the privilge to meet or
comunicate with most of you.
Most of the [oldtimers] seem to know a lot about each other. I;m
interested in knowing
more about the people that fly kolb's and then make the posts that I
read every morning.
It would help me , and I'm sure , other newcomers, if occasionaly when
you sign off you would
state what city & state you are in. Thanks
Frank Goodnight
firestar
Brownsville , TX
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Cherie,
Heel brakes.They are,they do,but you get used to them.
?G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:58 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Heel brakes or ???
Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand etc. on
MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they are spaced
so close together and sometimes get in the way.
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Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield: |
Thom,
?At one time I took some detailed photos of the fairing and mountings.I can't remember
if I sent them to the list or another person back copy.Have you seen them?
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 8:31 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield:
Gary,
Great photos of your Kolb, and I can see your VGs very well but can't measure
their location in the photo :-).
Mine are located with the top most part of the VG (aft end) at 6.5" aft of the
leading edge as measured parallel to the lower surface of the wing. This means
the aft end of the VG is 8.5" from the center of the leading edge tube as
measured along the upper surface of the wing with a flexible tape.
I sure like your Jabiru engine fairing.... how much you want for it? If you
don't want to sell it, maybe some day if you take your airplane out of service
for a couple weeks, I can borrow it from you to copy.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Pictures of Middlefield: |
Gary,
Yes, I have them. I forgot I had them but then remembered seeing them somewhere
and found them.
Thanks!
do not archive
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
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that works.
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Subject: | Re: where are you? |
Frank,
If you join the Kolb forum list here, the names of people and where they live are
shown when they make a post if they fill in the information about themselves.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=5
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
970 hours
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Toe brakes are the standard in the aviation world, from th smallest to the biggest
planes. Toe brakes are not complicated or hard to make, it just seems that
ultralight designers like to take shortcuts on this item. Reversing the brakes
with the rudder pedals is just a setup for disaster, as albertakolbMKIII
just pointed out with his experience. I have toe brakes, they don't weigh any
more than a heel brake setup, the my Kolb has standard controls just like every
other plane in the world. Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its
a design shortcut and substandard.
Mike
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have !!!
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
At 11:58 AM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:
>...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and
>substandard.
I don't agree at all; heel brakes aren't substandard, just a different
(earlier) standard.
Like probably most on this list, I learned to fly with toe brakes (in a
C-150). When I bought my first plane, a 1941 Taylorcraft, it had heel
brakes. Took a short while to get used to, but I soon came to prefer
it. One disadvantage of toe brakes is that it's easy to inadvertently
apply brake when using the rudder.
One difference on my T-Craft is that the heel brakes were to the _outside_
of the rudder pedals, rather than to the inside as in my UltraStar. I
haven't made up my mind which is better... it's been so long since I flew
the T-Craft the UltraStar didn't feel awkward.
I didn't care for the hand brake on the Quicksilver I was flying for
awhile, but that _was_ a design shortcut, using bicycle components... and
pretty anemic to boot.
Thousands of production aircraft have been built with both heel and hand
brakes.
-Dana
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Remember when a trojan was a warrior?
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
JetPilot wrote:
> .............my Kolb has standard controls just like every other plane in the
world.
Maybe most..... certainly many, but hardly "every other plane in the world."
JetPilot wrote:
> .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut
and substandard.
>
> Mike
But may be a necessity. I know the original question related to MKIII's, but
those of us Kolb flyers with smaller nose cones (e.g. Firestars, Fireflys and
some Ultrastars), and who have big feet, generally don't have much choice .
Operating the rudder pedals with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes
enough of a challenge. A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of
an accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case. Work hard to avoid
situations where brakes are critical. Can't always do that, but as some would
say... "you pays your money and takes your chances".
As Beauford says..... worth what you paid fer it.
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
The Aeronca Chief had a dandy heel brake design, little levers at the
bottom of the rudder pedals and cable operated.
-foolproof except when the cables froze with ice in the fairleads on
the bottom of the gearlegs.
You could turn and brake at your need.
The Champs had an awkward pedal sticking out of the floor.
My MkIII has what I thought at the time I was creating it, a
brilliant design. Throttle handle actuated.
I reinforced the throttle bar and had a rod actuate a Girling (copy)
master cylinder. There is a little concealed reliever
spring built into the throttle cable at the carb so it will back up
from closed throttle.
I also put a brake lock in the line so I could do a runup.
Ignorant at the time of the leverage required, the output is puny and
I have to pull fairly hard to get much to happen.
I haven't retrofitted it because I fly off of grass.
Eventually.
BB
wet and overcast Scottsville, NY
On 2, Oct 2009, at 2:06 PM, George Alexander wrote:
> <gtalexander@att.net>
>
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>> .............my Kolb has standard controls just like every other
>> plane in the world.
>
>
> Maybe most..... certainly many, but hardly "every other plane in
> the world."
>
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>> .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a
>> design shortcut and substandard.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> But may be a necessity. I know the original question related to
> MKIII's, but those of us Kolb flyers with smaller nose cones (e.g.
> Firestars, Fireflys and some Ultrastars), and who have big feet,
> generally don't have much choice . Operating the rudder pedals
> with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes enough of a
> challenge. A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of an
> accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case. Work hard
> to avoid situations where brakes are critical. Can't always do
> that, but as some would say... "you pays your money and takes your
> chances".
>
> As Beauford says..... worth what you paid fer it.
>
> --------
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> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Been flying the FireFly with home made band brakes activated by a single
lever on the stick. Up to this point, I have not found any need for
separate wheel braking. I fly off from and to hard surface runways almost
100%.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Just wondering what most people are using for brake levers... heel, hand
etc. on MKIII. I have heel brakes but have mixed feelings. I find that they
are spaced so close together and sometimes get in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
my heal brakes are close as well,,,, love them.
Boyd Young
Kolb MKIIIC
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
It makes no difference what a Aeronca , Taylorcraft, or a few small manufacturers
may have done 60 years ago, the standard has long since been decided...
The first motorcycles used to have a reverse clutch that had to be constantly squeezed
to engage the motor, we have since learned that it was a horrible idea
and we now have a world standard that is the opposite.
Same goes for some old airplanes, lots of things have been tried over the decades
in airplanes, big deal... We now have a standard of toe brakes, and for very
good reasons. Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or
even on a very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes,
levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with
are a substandard shortcut.
There will alway be a few that say " it works for me " and accept anything, as
we have seen on past discussions of Fuel Filters, and other things. When possible
I believe in making my Kolb to accepted Aircraft standards, It's not always
possible but I do it where I can, and toe brakes is one that can be easily
done on the MK III. Smaller ultralights and the Firefly may be more difficult,
each person will have to decide for themselves.
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
>...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and
>substandard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and
addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they
would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them.
a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not
infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just
different.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIIIC
Brigham City, Ut.
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
>...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and
>substandard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and
addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they
would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them.
a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not
infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just
different.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIIIC
Brigham City, Ut.
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
>...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and
>substandard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and
addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they
would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them.
a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not
infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just
different.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII
Brigham City, Ut.
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
>...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and
>substandard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and
addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they
would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them.
a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not
infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just
different.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIIIC
Brigham City, Ut.
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
>...Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design shortcut and
>substandard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when I first was building the mkIII I called and asked Dennis Souder and
addressed my concerns. his response was to give them a chance and they
would grow on you. they have, and I am very comfortable with them.
a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not
infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just
different.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIIIC
Brigham City, Ut.
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad
do not archive
Boyd
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about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad
do not archive
Boyd
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I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge
material so I might rain
proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after checking
the web
[to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they are
in the process of going out of
business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my powerfin
prop.
Frank Goodnight
firestar
Brownsville , TX
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted as
standard. Either did Homer Kolb.
I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner.
Fly safe all,
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:
>...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even on a
>very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes,
>levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with
>are a substandard shortcut...
Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have
nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean that
tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are "substandard". It's a
matter of preference... and sometimes simplicity is better.
-Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and
heel brakes)
--
To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Jim,
Are you grounded or flying another brand?
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim ODay <jimoday@hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 5:57 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted as
standard. Either did Homer Kolb.
I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner.
Fly safe all,
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Dana,
I heard it said" that with age comes wisdom,but sometimes age comes alone".My greatest
fear.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
?
At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:?
>...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even on a
>very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes,
>levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with
>are a substandard shortcut...?
?
Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have
nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean that
tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are "substandard". It's a
matter of preference... and sometimes simplicity is better.?
?
-Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and
heel brakes)?
?
--?
?To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid?
?
?
?
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Subject: | Re: Powerfin props |
I heard that too. They did have a good product. Could be the
economy but it's more likely
the lawyers got to them first.
BB
On 2, Oct 2009, at 5:18 PM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>
>
> I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge
> material so I might rain
> proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after
> checking the web
> [to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they
> are in the process of going out of
> business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my
> powerfin prop.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> firestar
> Brownsville , TX
>
>
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Boyd,
?We felt that you were just being emphatic.
G.Aman,my heel brakes are fine.
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <by0ung@brigham.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 4:52 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: sorry
?
about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad?
?
do not archive?
Boyd?
?
?
?
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Subject: | Re: Powerfin props |
Oh great, now my trike has an orphan prop. Crap. They should have stayed in
Arlington.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> I heard that too. They did have a good product. Could be the economy but
> it's more likely
> the lawyers got to them first.
> BB
>
>
> On 2, Oct 2009, at 5:18 PM, frank.goodnight wrote:
>
>> frank.goodnight@att.net>
>>
>>
>> I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge material
>> so I might rain
>> proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after checking the
>> web
>> [to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they are in
>> the process of going out of
>> business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my powerfin prop.
>>
>> Frank Goodnight
>> firestar
>> Brownsville , TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
> There will alway be a few that say " it works for me " and accept
anything, as we have seen on past discussions of Fuel Filters, and other
things. When possible I believe in making my Kolb to accepted Aircraft
standards, It's not always possible but I do it where I can, and toe brakes
is one that can be easily done on the MK III. Smaller ultralights and the
Firefly may be more difficult, each person will have to decide for
themselves.
>
> Mike
Damn, Mike B/Gang:
You're making me feel bad. ;-)
I have heel brakes, been using the same fuel filter housing since 1984,
don't have VG's stuck on my airplane, but I still have my hair and bad
breath. I can assure you I do not accept just anything, even though it
works for me. My Kolb is already at accepted aircraft standards. Got a
certificate that indicates that.
I don't care for toe brakes. Flew them in the CH-54, Flying Crane (only
aircraft I ever flew with wheels, until I flew my Ultrastar without brakes);
C-152, and the MKIIIx. They work ok for me, but I like my little bitty heel
brakes.
I also like differential braking. Gives me a lot more capability. I don't
care for brake handles on control sticks or other places around the cockpit.
My left hand is busy with throttle and my right with the control stick. I
can operate my brakes with my heels and the rudder pedals with my toes.
When I fly my airplane, I fly with shoes or boots with small heels. This
accomodates and simplifies the braking operation.
Sitting here in Wendover, UT, overlooking Wendover Air Base, a very
historical piece of real estate in American history. Get a chance, do a
google search on the old WWII air base.
john h
Wendover, UT
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Damn, Mike B/Gang:
>
> You're making me feel bad. ;-)
>
> I have heel brakes, been using the same fuel filter housing since 1984,
> don't have VG's stuck on my airplane, but I still have my hair and bad
> breath. I can assure you I do not accept just anything, even though it
> works for me. My Kolb is already at accepted aircraft standards. Got a
> certificate that indicates that.
>
> I don't care for toe brakes. Flew them in the CH-54, Flying Crane (only
> aircraft I ever flew with wheels, until I flew my Ultrastar without brakes);
> C-152, and the MKIIIx. They work ok for me, but I like my little bitty heel
brakes.
>
> I also like differential braking. Gives me a lot more capability. I don't
> care for brake handles on control sticks or other places around the cockpit.
> My left hand is busy with throttle and my right with the control stick. I
> can operate my brakes with my heels and the rudder pedals with my toes.
>
>
> john h
> Wendover, UT
I don't like toe brakes either. And quite frankly, I love having the brakes where
I can lean on them with my throttle/left hand. Because the only time I need
to use both throttle and brakes at the same time is when I'm taxiing and trying
to get turned on a dime. And since I got a bad knee and arthritis in one foot,
it makes life a lot easier.
On the other hand, starting next month I will begin the rebuild on the FSII, and
I did not like the heel brakes set up according to how the factory did it. Since
this is a total rebuild, there are lots of options, including heel brakes
that are user friendly. So - do you have any pictures of your heel brakes setup,
especially any from the underside with the skin or the nose bowl off? Maybe
you got something I can copy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Jim ODay wrote:
> Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted
as standard. Either did Homer Kolb.
>
> I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner.
>
> Fly safe all,
>
> Jim
Jim,
That is a really nice workmanship on your firestar pedals.
As far as Burt Rutan, I would be willing to bet his recent airplanes have toe brakes
and a standard set of controls as possible. There is a difference between
trying to to do something better, or more efficiently, and taking shortcuts
that result in non standard unfriendly controls. Burt Rutans work speaks for
itself, he is all about advancing aviation and making things better, not taking
shortcuts. Funny that a forum that rejects the aerodynamic facts of properly
designed wingtips, and until very recently VG's, would quote Burt Rutan.
Most people on this forum have been on the wrong side of what Burt Rutan
is all about...
Standardized flight controls is something that has been accepted by the entire
aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just shows that
have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more interest in discrediting
and disagreeing with any point made by me. No wonder the Kolb list
has been so quiet lately, its become an unfriendly place that values personal
politics over good advice and facts.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Powerfin props |
Its most likely the Lawyers... They sold a LOT of props and were in the process
of getting new and more advanced equipment. Given the popularity of their prop,
I would be willing to be that after the bankrupcy, or whatever happens, that
someone buys the rights to them and starts production. Just a guess, but
Powerfin props are so widely used by so many people, it would make business sense
for someone to start the line again.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I've got heel brakes, work great, like them just fine.
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Jimmy Young
Houston, TX
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Good one Gary!
Glad there are Kolb s -- this is now Kolb-related
Russ
On Oct 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> Dana,
> I heard it said" that with age comes wisdom,but sometimes age comes
> alone".My greatest fear.
> G.Aman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:03 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
>
>
> At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:
> >...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even
> on a >very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that
> heel brakes, >levers, strings, or what every crazy design some
> people have come up with >are a substandard shortcut...
>
> Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
> substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have
> nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean
> that tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are
> "substandard". It's a matter of preference... and sometimes
> simplicity is better.
>
> -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks,
> and heel brakes)
>
> --
> To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I flew my- KXP out of a very active airfleld for 10 years with a little f
orethought and --- NO BRAKES---My advice ,-if its worth anyth
ing--is go with OldPoops 2 hand actuated brake handles and use some for
ethought,- act like you are running a 50 foot 40 ton boat ,which has no b
rakes and carry on with grace!-Chris---------=0A-Chri
s Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Fir
efly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: George Alexand
er <gtalexander@att.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October
2, 2009 2:06:17 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???=0A=0A--> K
olb-List message posted by: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>=0A=0A
=0AJetPilot wrote:=0A> .............my Kolb has standard controls just like
every other plane in the world.=0A- =0A=0AMaybe most..... certainly many
, but hardly- "every other plane in the world."=0A=0A=0A=0AJetPilot wrote
:=0A> .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design s
hortcut and substandard.=0A> =0A> Mike=0A=0A=0ABut may be a necessity.- I
know the original question related to MKIII's,- but those of us Kolb fly
ers with smaller nose cones (e.g. Firestars, Fireflys and some Ultrastars),
and who have big feet, generally don't have much choice .- Operating the
rudder pedals- with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes enoug
h of a challenge.- A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of an
accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case.- Work hard to av
oid situations where brakes are critical.- Can't always do that, but as s
ome would say... "you pays your money and takes your chances".=0A=0AAs Beau
ford says..... worth what you paid fer it.=0A=0A--------=0AGeorge Alexander
=0AFS II R503- N709FS=0Ahttp://gtalexander.home.att.net=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea
d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=========================0A
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Subject: | Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing |
Oops! Hopefully I caught this before someone goes out to their plane and
tries using my version of the Rotax instructions.4, Screw in idle adjustment
screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level .....WRONG,
should be higher level. Higher level means more vacuum, opening the throttle
lowers vacuum.
Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with
the lower level ....Well, at least I'm consistent, again should be higher
level, same reason.
Sorry guys and gals, typed faster than my brain could follow and confused
manometer and vacuum gauges. Didn't catch it until I was expanding the email
text for an article in the Chapter 88 newsletter this evening.
My apologies if I caused any confusion.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here you go guys and gals. I'm not sure why Rotax has mechanical synching
> after pneumatic. I do it the other way, that's how it's spec'd for the 912
> and my HKS.This is really so simple, it just seems intimidating until you
> do it once. As with all things done with a running engine, tie the plane
> down and have an assistant ready to hit mag switch(es) if required. Before
> you start raise throttle cable boots so you can get at the cable adjustment
> screw. Give each cable a tug to see how much slop there is. When you get to
> cable adjustment that's most likely the one that will have to be adjusted.
>
> 1. Adjust idle air screw per Rotax or Bing for your engine / carb combo.
> 2. Warm up engine to operating temperature
> 3. Hook up manometer (incidentally, someone on the list suggested two
> stroke oil instead of water, I used transmission fluid because I had it
> loaded into a pressure gun to fill the brake system on my trike. That is the
> easiest way to get the fluid into the tube. Using oil also makes the levels
> a little slower acting so you make an adjustment and wait a bit for the
> fluid column to react. It's also less likely to get sucked into the engine
> if one carb is severely out of synch to the other. To get the initial level
> set before you hook up to the primer port blow into the tube with the higher
> level until they're even.
> 4. Start engine and let idle. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb
> connected to the fluid column with the lower level until the columns are
> even. If that makes your idle speed too high adjust each screw back out
> until you get the idle speed you want and both fluid columns are even. If
> you do have to back out an idle adjustment screw make sure you haven't
> brought the throttle cable up tight so that the carb piston is no longer
> setting on the adjustment screw.
> 5. Set RPM to 3000. Loosen adjustment screw on the top of the carb with the
> lower fluid column and screw out adjustment until columns are almost even
> and tighten lock nut (this will raise the column very slightly, which is why
> you don't want to get them exactly equal. It's not much but you are after
> perfection, after all).
> 6. Shut off engine, disconnect manometer lines and plug with an AN 3 screw
> so the manometer stays clean, replace primer plugs or lines.
>
> I did my 582 while I had the wings off as spinning props make me nervous. I
> put an eyebolt (my local surplus store sells them cheap) in the board so I
> could safety wire the manometer to the aircraft, you could just as easily
> drill a hole and run safety wire through it.
> That's it.
>
> Rick Girard
>
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
So - do you have any pictures of your heel brakes setup, especially any
from the underside with the skin or the nose bowl off? Maybe you got
something I can copy.
>
> Richard Pike
Rev/Gang:
I probably have some pics of the brakes at home.
I built them per Kolb MKIII plans on the right side of the cockpit.
Used MATCO horizontal master cylinders and a loop of 1/4 clear plastic fuel
line for the reservoir. Drilled a couple 1/8" holes in the top of the loop
which is attached to the tube the rudder pedal springs are attached to.
Works great.
john h
Wendover, UT
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
> Standardized flight controls is something that has been accepted by the
entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just
shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more
interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by me. No
wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an unfriendly
place that values personal politics over good advice and facts.
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
Most of us Kolbers that have been around for a while, that are really into
Kolb aircraft, aren't a whole lot interested in "standardized flight
controls" and what "has been accepted by the entire aviation world."
What I have works and works well. Where my little mkIII has flown speaks
for itself.
Every member of the List has the right to agree or disagree with anyone else
on this List. The Kolb List was not an unfriendly List before you got here
and it is not an unfriendly List now. Some of the members may be, but the
List, as a whole, is not.
Getting ready to cross the street to the Rainbow Casino and attempt to
devour all the King Crab Legs I can at the Sea Food Buffet. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Wendover, UT
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
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John , every time my fingers get raised to make a reactionary coment , you
reply with that great , mellow attitude and say what I was going to say but
, the way "it should be said" thank you for your input, with respect ! Chr
is=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from cra
sh building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fr
i, October 2, 2009 9:58:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or
m>=0A=0A=0A> Standardized flight controls is something that has been accept
ed by the entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against
this just shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects,
and more interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by m
e.- - No wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an u
nfriendly place that values personal politics over good advice and facts.
=0A> =0A> Mike=0A=0A=0AMike B/Gang:=0A=0AMost of us Kolbers that have been
around for a while, that are really into Kolb aircraft, aren't a whole lot
interested in "standardized flight controls" and what "has been accepted by
the entire aviation world."=0A=0AWhat I have works and works well.- Wher
e my little mkIII has flown speaks for itself.=0A=0AEvery member of the Lis
t has the right to agree or disagree with anyone else on this List.- The
Kolb List was not an unfriendly List before you got here and it is not an u
nfriendly List now.- Some of the members may be, but the List, as a whole
, is not.=0A=0AGetting ready to cross the street to the Rainbow Casino and
attempt to devour all the King Crab Legs I can at the Sea Food Buffet.- ;
====0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Would it be more standard if I replaced my fabric with aluminum or should I go
for carbon fiber?
I think I need a Continental as well, not sure the 912 is really standard aircraft
stuff
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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