---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/03/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? () 2. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (pj.ladd) 3. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (pj.ladd) 4. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (John Hauck) 5. 05:14 AM - Re: Powerfin props (Thom Riddle) 6. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (robert bean) 7. 05:41 AM - Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing (zeprep251@aol.com) 8. 05:52 AM - You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 (pj.ladd) 9. 06:11 AM - Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 (zeprep251@aol.com) 10. 06:42 AM - Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 11. 07:31 AM - Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter (Thom Riddle) 12. 07:45 AM - Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter (ces308) 13. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (b young) 14. 09:36 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (JetPilot) 15. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Matt Dralle) 16. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (russ kinne) 17. 11:19 AM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (WillUribe@aol.com) 18. 01:40 PM - Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dana) 19. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? (Dennis Souder) 20. 10:15 PM - Re: Re: Props (DAquaNut@aol.com) 21. 11:25 PM - Re: Re: Heel brakes or ??? () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:58 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? I will go along with that.If it wasnt for that line of thought we would all be flying the same type and colour airoplane , driving the same make and colour car ,living in the same shape house in the location someone thought we should be ,now how much fun would that be ? Innovation is where progress comes from, innovation is people being individuals, innovation is daring to be different , without this we would all be sitting on the ground looking skywards thinking "woulnd mind being up there" We are where we are because people like Homer did not accept best practice and dared to be innovative , the rest is history . Downunder New Zealand { home of Richard Pearse} who left the ground in powered fight in March 1903.Had some control problems. MK111c Heal brakes . Work well . Land on grass and take off on grass 99% of the time ----- Original Message ----- From: "b young" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? > > about all the duplicates,,, new laptop and software... my bad > > do not archive > Boyd > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:44 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? New Zealand { home of Richard Pearse} who left the ground in powered fight in March 1903.Had some control problems.>> Yeah! If you seen the bits of his plane in the Auckland Museum? As unlikely a pile of scrap to make it into the air as you can imagine. That propeller! Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:48 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just different.>> No, of course it doen`t but the tricyle gear is so obnviously better in all respects that all other things being equal you wouldn`t choose a taildragger would you.? Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:32 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? > the tricyle gear is so obnviously better in all > respects that all other things being equal you wouldn`t choose a > taildragger would you.? > > Pat Patrick/Gang: For my kind of flying, my mkIII tail dragger does a much better job than a tri gear. john h mkIII Wendover, UT - Wish I hadn't eaten all those crab legs last night. Ugh! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powerfin props From: "Thom Riddle" A couple weeks ago I emailed PowerFin asking the question directly and after about a week finally got a response. They confirmed that they are out of business. Sad day when a good company with a great product goes down the tubes. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266230#266230 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:20 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? Pat, throwing a little kindling on a dwindling flame? BB do not archive On 3, Oct 2009, at 7:13 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that > does not > infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just > different.>> > > No, of course it doen`t but the tricyle gear is so obnviously > better in all respects that all other things being equal you > wouldn`t choose a taildragger would you.? > > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2 stroke carb synchronizing From: zeprep251@aol.com The manometer has to be the most accurate method .But for me,two new round no.2 pencils worked fine. ? G.Aman former 503dcdi carb synchronizer.My spell checker claims that we have invented a new word! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Girard Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2 stroke carb synchronizing Oops! Hopefully I caught this before someone goes out to their plane and tries using my version of the Rotax instructions. 4, Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level?.....WRONG, should be higher level. Higher level means more vacuum, opening the throttle lowers vacuum. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level?....Well, at least I'm consistent, again should be higher level, same reason. Sorry guys and gals, typed faster than my brain could follow and confused manometer and vacuum gauges. Didn't catch it until I was expanding the email text for an article in the Chapter 88 newsletter this evening. My apologies if I caused any confusion. Rick Girard On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Richard Girard wrote: Here you go guys and gals. I'm not sure why Rotax has mechanical synching after pneumatic. I do it the other way, that's how it's spec'd for the 912 and my HKS. This is really so simple, it just seems intimidating until you do it once. As with all things done with a running engine, tie the plane down and have an assistant ready to hit mag switch(es) if required. Before you start raise throttle cable boots so you can get at the cable adjustment screw. Give each cable a tug to see how much slop there is. When you get to cable adjustment that's most likely the one that will have to be adjusted. 1. Adjust idle air screw per Rotax or Bing for your engine / carb combo. 2. Warm up engine to operating temperature 3. Hook up manometer (incidentally, someone on the list suggested two stroke oil instead of water, I used transmission fluid because I had it loaded into a pressure gun to fill the brake system on my trike. That is the easiest way to get the fluid into the tube. Using oil also makes the levels a little slower acting so you make an adjustment and wait a bit for the fluid column to react. It's also less likely to get sucked into the engine if one carb is severely out of synch to the other. To get the initial level set before you hook up to the primer port blow into the tube with the higher level until they're even. 4. Start engine and let idle. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level until the columns are even. If that makes your idle speed too high adjust each screw back out until you get the idle speed you want and both fluid columns are even. If you do have to back out an idle adjustment screw make sure you haven't brought the throttle cable up tight so that the carb piston is no longer setting on the adjustment screw. 5. Set RPM to 3000. Loosen adjustment screw on the top of the carb with the lower fluid column and screw out adjustment until columns are almost even and tighten lock nut (this will raise the column very slightly, which is why you don't want to get them exactly equal. It's not much but you are after perfection, after all). 6. Shut off engine, disconnect manometer lines and plug with an AN 3 screw so the manometer stays clean, replace primer plugs or lines. I did my 582 while I had the wings off as spinning props make me nervous. I put an eyebolt (my local surplus store sells them cheap) in the board so I could safety wire the manometer to the aircraft, you could just as easily drill a hole and run safety wire through it. That's it. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:22 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 Thom, you kindly sent pics of your exhaust set up. Here is mine showing the proximity of the exhaust to the oil pressre sender. Also a pic of my dreaded flap lever. I am getting used to it but it really is pretty dreadful. Pat The sender has included tags, so you can do more with these photos. Download Photoshop (R) Album Starter Edition-Free! http://www.adobe.com/aboutstarteredition ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 From: zeprep251@aol.com Pat, Don't mean to intrude but,have you considered a 45 degree fitting into the block and then the sender into that? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:49 am Subject: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 Thom, you kindly sent pics of your exhaust set up.? Here is mine showing the proximity of the exhaust to the oil pressre sender. Also a pic of my dreaded flap lever. I am getting used to it but it really is pretty dreadful. ? Pat The sender has included tags, so you can do more with these photos. Download Photoshop (R) Album Starter Edition-Free! http://www.adobe.com/aboutstarteredition ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I really like your engine and I know what You mean about that Flap lever I have flown Vics MK3Xtra with the Flap in the same place You got to be a contortionist to use it comfortably I really like where the flap Levers are in Both my Mk3Xtra and Mk3C up over head Ellery?in MAINE? -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:49 am Subject: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0 Thom, you kindly sent pics of your exhaust set up.? Here is mine showing the proximity of the exhaust to the oil pressre sender. Also a pic of my dreaded flap lever. I am getting used to it but it really is pretty dreadful. ? Pat The sender has included tags, so you can do more with these photos. Download Photoshop (R) Album Starter Edition-Free! http://www.adobe.com/aboutstarteredition ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks, Pat. Now I see the problem. On the plus side, I'd bet that after muffler does a good job of quieting the exhaust sound, not to mention getting the soot far enough away from the prop to eliminate any sooty residue on the prop blades. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266255#266255 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter From: "ces308" That's pretty cool,Pat....is it quieter??? And I can't figure out how you do your flap handle..???? What the heck do you grab onto ??? lol chris ambrose m3x/jab 70.HRS n327cs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266259#266259 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:10 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? No, of course it doen`t but the tricyle gear is so obnviously better in all respects that all other things being equal you wouldn`t choose a taildragger would you.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I nose dragger is heavier, flies slower and bounces around like a wallaby on a rough field. There are some things they do better. but not in all respects. Boyd Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:18 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? From: "JetPilot" Dana wrote: > Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it > substandard. > > -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and > heel brakes) > > I like toe brakes, that does not mean much, but the entire aviation world has accepted this standard, and that means a lot. You try that just because YOU don't like them, well its the entire aviation community... You go on to try to change this discussion into something about Taildragers, Open Cockpits, control sticks, etc. which are different types of aircraft and have NOTHING to do about standardized controls. Don't put words into my mouth and try to imply that I am against different types of aircraft, that is just lame on your part. People see this type of Junior High clique behavior, where the same certain few are so intent on being popular, that you attack anything posted by someone like me that is not part of the " In Group ". Why do you think this Kolb list has very little activity ? This list has turned into the same few guys so intent on harassing and discrediting anything that I post, that you will post bad advice and bad information in favor of your personal politics. People see this, and are afraid to post here. John H is right on one thing, not everyone here is unfriendly, but there are a few here that have created an unfriendly atmosphere on the list, at the expense of everyone. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266282#266282 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:51 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? At 09:36 AM 10/3/2009 Saturday, you wrote: > > >Dana wrote: >> Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it >> substandard. >> > > >People see this type of Junior High clique behavior, where the same certain few are so intent on being popular, that you attack anything posted by someone like me that is not part of the " In Group ". Why do you think this Kolb list has very little activity ? This list has turned into the same few guys so intent on harassing and discrediting anything that I post, that you will post bad advice and bad information in favor of your personal politics. People see this, and are afraid to post here. John H is right on one thing, not everyone here is unfriendly, but there are a few here that have created an unfriendly atmosphere on the list, at the expense of everyone. > >Mike Are you guys fricken kidding me? Why must this BS continue? Always with the mud slinging. How many times to I have to step in and stop this? Why must I baby-sit you all the time? No more post like this, period. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:51 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? Pat For a handful of good reasons, taildraggers are 'better' aircraft. I'd pick one ever time. like a Kolb (now it's Kolb-related!) You say "tricycle gear is so obviously better in all respects"?? I don't agree. Russ do not archive On Oct 3, 2009, at 7:13 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that > does not > infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just > different.>> > > No, of course it doen`t but the tricyle gear is so obnviously > better in all respects that all other things being equal you > wouldn`t choose a taildragger would you.? > > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:21 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? Greetings, IMHO my heel brakes work just fine, I have no need to change them to toe brakes. As soon as I got used to them it was not a problem for me. The Piper Colt I also fly has no heel brakes or toe brakes, it also took some getting used to but it is no longer a problem for me. Now what was the question? Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II N4GU El Paso, TX ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? From: "Dana" Here's a couple of pix of my "substandard" heel brake installation for anybody who's interested. Not saying they're "better", never did, but they work just fine for me. -Dana Growing old is inevitable, but we can stay immature indefinitely. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266315#266315 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc01855_large_434.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc01853_large_198.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:02 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? At TOK we had tried toe brakes on a M3 and none of us liked them - not even a little. When you pushed on the toe brake, the whole pedal assembly would tend to move away, so you had to press on the opposite pedal with a balancing force. This required very deft feet. We didn't leave them on for long - the heels worked much much better. Perhaps we could have fine-tuned things to work better, but we felt the heels worked so much better, that we were disinclined to spend any more time on the toe brakes. Dennis ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:17 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Props Guys, Now that Power fin has gone out of business what other prop is as light weight, that is also adjustable and rigid? I was intending on getting one for my Firefly, because I was told it did not flex so badly at idle like the Ivo. Also because I need to keep it light. Ed Diebel Houston Tx FF# 62 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:54 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? That may be so Pat,but we do have a couple of replica aircraft of Richards design in the hanger of old stuff ,one of them has a engine built to his design and they show promise. Working rudder, elevators and real wing controls ,not wing warping , it has a tricycle undercarriage { you know the one with the trainer wheel out front } and that funny propeller does produce some interesting thrust. Downunder MK111c ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj.ladd" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ??? > > New Zealand { home of Richard Pearse} who left the ground in powered fight > in March 1903.Had some control problems.>> > > Yeah! > > If you seen the bits of his plane in the Auckland Museum? As unlikely a > pile of scrap to make it into the air as you can imagine. That propeller! > > Cheers > > Pat > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.