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1. 04:55 AM - Re: A new Kolb ready for flight (pj.ladd)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: A new Kolb ready for flight (william sullivan)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: A new Kolb ready for flight (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
4. 07:36 AM - plastic props & rain (frank.goodnight)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: plastic props & rain (Robert Laird)
6. 09:19 AM - Re: A new Kolb ready for flight (Richard Girard)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: plastic props & rain (robert bean)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (possums)
9. 01:51 PM - Re: plastic props & rain (Larry Cottrell)
10. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (robert bean)
11. 02:10 PM - Re: plastic props & rain (Thom Riddle)
12. 02:11 PM - Re: plastic props & rain (daniel myers)
13. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: plastic props & rain (John Hauck)
14. 03:20 PM - More-A new Kolb ready for flight (cspoke)
15. 03:25 PM - Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight (cspoke)
16. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
17. 05:11 PM - Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight (zeprep251@aol.com)
18. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: plastic props & rain (zeprep251@aol.com)
19. 05:42 PM - Re: plastic props & rain (Thom Riddle)
20. 05:43 PM - great afternoon for Kolb flying (zeprep251@aol.com)
21. 05:44 PM - Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight (Jimmy Young)
22. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: plastic props & rain (zeprep251@aol.com)
23. 06:49 PM - Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight (Kip)
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig,
the plane looks quite nice.
Quite nice is fulsome praise in this part of the UK
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
- Nice job, Craig!- Can you post more (and larger) photos?- Everybody
would like to see close-ups, and the interior.
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
Congrats? nice looking airplane you have built? I hope you really enjoy it for
many future flights?
Ellery in Maine
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-----Original Message-----
From: cspoke <cspoke@gulftel.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:46 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: A new Kolb ready for flight
I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA, N381CS is
a
real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks like rain and storms
all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will start the testing process.
My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with redrive. I have been lurking on the
list for the 3 year building process and thanks to all for the great
information. As soon as I get some performance numbers, I will post if anybody
is interested. I included a couple of pics taken inside because it is raining.
I
will post more when the weather allows outside shots.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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| Subject: | plastic props & rain |
I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like
a strip of
heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the
blades.
A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any blade
damage, but as I
am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get
caught in heavy rain for a longer
period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no
longer availible to
answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from the
factory is OK to
fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would
someone please tell me what I
need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
besides the powerfin
does a really good on my A/C.
Frank Goodnight
Firstar 2
Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
HKS engine
Brownsville , TX
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
The polyurethane strips you (probably) have are good for light rain, as
you've already found out. I've never flown in anything heavy, so I never
had to find out if they'd protect the blades or not. I think Ivo sells the
equivalent blade protection, but in stainless steel. I'd have to think
those would be as good or better.
-- Robert
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote:
> frank.goodnight@att.net>
>
> I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like a
> strip of
> heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the blades.
> A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any blade
> damage, but as I
> am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get caught
> in heavy rain for a longer
> period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no longer
> availible to
> answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from the
> factory is OK to
> fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would someone
> please tell me what I
> need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
> besides the powerfin
> does a really good on my A/C.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firstar 2
> Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
> HKS engine
> Brownsville , TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig, She's a beauty, but I, too, want to see more. I second the request
for bigger pics, too.
Rick Girard
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>wrote:
> Congrats nice looking airplane you have built I hope you really enjoy it
> for many future flights
>
> Ellery in Maine
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cspoke <cspoke@gulftel.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:46 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: A new Kolb ready for flight
>
>
> I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA, N381CS is
a
> real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks like rain and storms
> all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will start the testing process.
> My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with redrive. I have been lurking on the
> list for the 3 year building process and thanks to all for the great
> information. As soon as I get some performance numbers, I will post if anybody
> is interested. I included a couple of pics taken inside because it is raining.
I
> will post more when the weather allows outside shots.
>
> --------
> Craig Spoke
> Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
> Lillian, ALcspoke@gulftel.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267270#267270
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Go to a local office supply store or walmart and get some plastic
packing tape. There are differences in quality
so it will take some experimentation. Usually it comes 2" wide so
splitting will be necessary.
1" is just right.
If you bring some on the ride you will be able to replace it if there
is visible wear.
works for me.
BB, 70" 2 blade WD
On 10, Oct 2009, at 10:25 AM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> >
>
> I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks
> like a strip of
> heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the
> blades.
> A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any
> blade damage, but as I
> am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get
> caught in heavy rain for a longer
> period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no
> longer availible to
> answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from
> the factory is OK to
> fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would
> someone please tell me what I
> need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
> besides the powerfin
> does a really good on my A/C.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firstar 2
> Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
> HKS engine
> Brownsville , TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Guess I should just burn it then?
At 07:22 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
>Possums wrote:
> >>
> > I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the
> > Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work?
> > I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.
> >
>Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no
>contract, in no way would ever work. The person that buys your
>plane may or may not be able to sue you depending on the details,
>BUT.... The person that purchases your plane can NOT EVER sign the
>rights of his family away, they can sue you no matter what he signs.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
>you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Frank, I have seen your plane, and I can assure you that if you get into
rain, you will be looking for a place to put it down as soon as you can.
The condition of your face will concern you more than your prop. :-) Not
sure how much rain you have experienced at 55 MPH, but it doesn't feel
good at all.
Take care
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: frank.goodnight
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: plastic props & rain
<frank.goodnight@att.net>
I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like
a strip of
heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the
blades.
A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any blade
damage, but as I
am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get
caught in heavy rain for a longer
period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no
longer availible to
answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from the
factory is OK to
fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would
someone please tell me what I
need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
besides the powerfin
does a really good on my A/C.
Frank Goodnight
Firstar 2
Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
HKS engine
Brownsville , TX
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
nah, sell it to me cheap. I won't sue. (I gar-un-tee)
BB
On 10, Oct 2009, at 4:10 PM, possums wrote:
>
> Guess I should just burn it then?
>
> At 07:22 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
>> Possums wrote:
>> >>
>> > I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the
>> > Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work?
>> > I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.
>> >
>> Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no
>> contract, in no way would ever work. The person that buys your
>> plane may or may not be able to sue you depending on the details,
>> BUT.... The person that purchases your plane can NOT EVER sign the
>> rights of his family away, they can sue you no matter what he signs.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
>> as you could have !!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Speaking of rain damaged props....
I got my TN prop back from TN yesterday. I sent it to them to fix the chord-wise
rips in the outboard ends of the plastic coating on the prop. The prop was ordered
that way by the builder but he never flew it in rain. I flew it once in
light shower and the plastic coating started ripping off at the high speed ends.
I also wanted them to reduce the pitch of the one blade that was nearly 1.5
degrees greater than the other. I asked them not to put the plastic coating
on it so they did their normal clear hard polyurethane finish. The prop also has
a hard as nails plastic of some sort leading edge built into the shape, i.e.,
not stuck on. The prop is a work of art. I should have taken photos of it but
didn't. I will soon and post them.
Weather was good enough today, for a change, to re-install the prop and get some
test results. Before mounting the prop I checked the pitch and the blades are
only about 10 minutes (< 1/4 degree) apart in pitch now. The biggest change
in flight is that I now get 3,168 rpm (about 100 more than before) at WOT in level
flight and an additional 4 mph airspeed at full throttle level flight.
I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is unavoidable.
I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to survive the rain
better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it before.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | plastic props & rain |
I'm sure powerfin knows about rain and designed their props accordingly...J
ust check the prop after every rain you pass through. It won't hurt it enou
gh on one flight to do any sort of catastrophic damage...I used warp drive
on my FSII amphib and also on my SeaRey
From: lcottrell@fmtcblue.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: plastic props & rain
Frank=2C I have seen your plane=2C and I can assure you that
if you get into rain=2C you will be looking for a place to put it down as s
oon as
you can. The condition of your face will concern you more than your prop. :
-)
Not sure how much rain you have experienced at 55 MPH=2C but it doesn't fee
l good
at all.
Take care
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From:
frank.goodnight
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday=2C October 10=2C 2009 8:25
AM
Subject: Kolb-List: plastic props &
rain
>
I
fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like
a strip of
heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3
of the
blades.
A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I
can=2Ct see any blade
damage=2C but as I
am starting to go on some
longer x countrys =2C I=2Cm sure I will get
caught in heavy rain
for a longer
period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort
is no
longer availible to
answer questions. Can someone tell me
if the prop as it comes from the
factory is OK to
fly in rain ?
If I need to buy something to rainproof it =2C would
someone please
tell me what I
need and where I can get it. I really don=2Ct want to buy a
new prop =2C
besides the powerfin
does a really good on my
A/C.
Frank Goodnight
Firstar 2
Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
HKS
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
> I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is
unavoidable. I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to
survive the rain better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it
before.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
How do you get the bugs off the windshield and leading edges of everything?
I hit the nearest rain shower to do the job for me.
john h
mkIII
Monument Valley, Utah
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| Subject: | More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
Thanks for all the kind words about my new plane. I am so excited for the first flight but I will be taking it slow. I uploaded a few of my construction log pics to a web site. The address is http://www.gulftel.com/cspoke/index.html. This way, if you want to look, you can. I should be starting with the taxi tests next weekend.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 3 XTRA
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
Sorry, I'll try this again. The correct web address is http://www.gulftel.com/cspoke/.
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Craig Spoke
Mark 3 XTRA
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
if You give it to me I promise not to launch a lawsuit on you
Ellery in Maine
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-----Original Message-----
From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: law suit after selling plane?
?
Guess I should just burn it then??
?
At 07:22 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:?
>Possums wrote:?
> >>?
> > I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the?
> > Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work??
> > I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.?
> >?
>Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no >contract,
in no way would ever work. The person that buys your >plane may or may not be
able to sue you depending on the details, >BUT.... The person that purchases your
plane can NOT EVER sign the >rights of his family away, they can sue you no
matter what he signs.?
>?
>Mike?
>?
>--------?
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as >you could
have !!!?
?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig,
Nice work and good job of capturing the progress on camera.Really enjoyed the photo
gallery.You have some Kolb fliers in Alabama for company as well.
G.Aman MK-3-C Jabiru 2200 482hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: cspoke <cspoke@gulftel.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:20 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: More-A new Kolb ready for flight
Thanks for all the kind words about my new plane. I am so excited for the first
flight but I will be taking it slow. I uploaded a few of my construction log
pics to a web site. The address is http://www.gulftel.com/cspoke/index.html.
This way, if you want to look, you can. I should be starting with the taxi tests
next weekend.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 3 XTRA
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Thom,
You should live closer to Akron? and then you could try this Prince 5871 S/N 5871P64BP29K
carbon fiber prop.It is lovely.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:10 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: plastic props & rain
Speaking of rain damaged props....
I got my TN prop back from TN yesterday. I sent it to them to fix the chord-wise
rips in the outboard ends of the plastic coating on the prop. The prop was
ordered that way by the builder but he never flew it in rain. I flew it once in
light shower and the plastic coating started ripping off at the high speed ends.
I also wanted them to reduce the pitch of the one blade that was nearly 1.5
degrees greater than the other. I asked them not to put the plastic coating on
it so they did their normal clear hard polyurethane finish. The prop also has a
hard as nails plastic of some sort leading edge built into the shape, i.e., not
stuck on. The prop is a work of art. I should have taken photos of it but
didn't. I will soon and post them.
Weather was good enough today, for a change, to re-install the prop and get some
test results. Before mounting the prop I checked the pitch and the blades are
only about 10 minutes (< 1/4 degree) apart in pitch now. The biggest change in
flight is that I now get 3,168 rpm (about 100 more than before) at WOT in level
flight and an additional 4 mph airspeed at full throttle level flight.
I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is unavoidable.
I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to survive the rain
better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it before.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Gary,
There are a LOT of Akrons, and I am close to one of them. Which one are to talking
about?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | great afternoon for Kolb flying |
Good evening fellow Kolb fliers,
We are fortunate to have more than one restaurant within our fuel range.Only 78
miles round trip.Perfect weather this P.M.so it was a lunch trip rather than
breakfast.KTSO is in some rolling hills southwest of Canton Oh.Took a few pictures.They
decorate the walls and ceiling beams with photos of thier customers
aircraft.
? G.Aman MK-3-C
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig,
Congratulations to you on the completion of your new Xtra, it looks great. Looks
like a Valley Eng. re-drive unit?
After you get some flying time in, please post some performance #'s to the Kolb
List. Have fun with it!
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Jimmy Young
Houston, TX
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Sorry,
Thought I included Ohio.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:42 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: plastic props & rain
Gary,
There are a LOT of Akrons, and I am close to one of them. Which one are to
talking about?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
Nice work!!!!
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
Nice work...!
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
1980 Quickie 1
Electric?
Needs restoration!
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig,
Went to the web site and now I see why you're getting all the nice
comments. Nice job and a clean looking VW install. Best of luck on the
maiden flight!
Ed Diebel ( FF# 62)
Hou. TX.
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