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1. 04:39 AM - Crash Photos (Jack B. Hart)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Richard Girard)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Kip)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Lazor (robert bean)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Herb)
6. 07:43 AM - Rotax 277 Operating Parameters (Jack B. Hart)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters (Richard Pike)
8. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters (Herb)
9. 02:49 PM - Re: Crash Photos (russ kinne)
10. 03:14 PM - Re: Crash Photos (Jim Kmet)
11. 08:22 PM - Re: Crash Photos (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
12. 09:22 PM - Kolb Laser pictures (WillUribe@aol.com)
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Kolbers,
I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that
happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it.
Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a
report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and
found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
interesting.
It can be seen at:
http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
Wet and cold.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Ouch! Them little stick airplanes don't fare too well in a crunch. Fine
reporting about the pilot "being taxied". So dumb it just makes me cringe.
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>wrote:
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that
> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it.
> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a
> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and
> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
> interesting.
>
> It can be seen at:
>
>
> http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
>
> Wet and cold.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Yep. Too much wood for me in this bird... :o
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
1980 Quickie 1
Electric?
Needs restoration!
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Have you done a W&B on that fine specimen yet?
BB
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On 15, Oct 2009, at 11:23 PM, possums wrote:
> Yes - it would be hard to send you a picture of the only? (Kolb -
> Lazer) that you bought from TNK ,,, Travis.
> But here is a picture of the New Kolb Mega-Lazer I bought from Bruce.
>
>
> At 09:01 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Your message is incomprehensible.
>>
>> --------
>> 2000 Firestar II
> Does anyone on the list have a kolb lazor that would be willing to
> send some pic to me just baught one from travis. Thanks
> <KolbIX.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Looks like a Fisher,LMA or Roger mann design... Certainly was not
just "Taxiing" !! Herb
At 07:38 AM 10/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>Kolbers,
>
>I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that
>happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it.
>Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a
>report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and
>found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
>interesting.
>
>It can be seen at:
>
>http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
>
>Wet and cold.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>10/15/09 20:39:00
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Subject: | Rotax 277 Operating Parameters |
Kolbers,
I have found a lot of info on the Rotax 277 on the web, but I am missing
some operating limitations. I could use some help with the following:
Max EGT
Max CHT
Max continuous RPM
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters |
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
> Kolbers,
>
> I have found a lot of info on the Rotax 277 on the web, but I am missing
> some operating limitations. I could use some help with the following:
>
> Max EGT
> Max CHT
> Max continuous RPM
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
> do not archive
Couldn't find any old paperwork, but since I spent about 750 hours in front of
one on the Hummer, here's what I remember: Maxair gave me a prop that allowed
it to turn 6200 max and the only maintenance I ever gave it was one set of rings,
2 sets of points, and a set of crank seals. Max CHT was around 350, and max
EGT was 1150. It was the version with the fan, but I also ran it without the
fan and it did ok. I am not saying those were the limits, only that mine worked
trouble free at those settings. If you have one, let me know and I'll send
you a bunch of trivia on how to make it mostly trouble free (that I still remember)
off list.
If you are interested, I can send you instructions on how to turn the single ignition
system into true dual ignition, but you'll have to machine the head for
the second plug.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters |
Richard...
that last sentence caught my eye...Can you elaborate ? Herb
At 11:30 AM 10/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
> > Kolbers,
> >
> > I have found a lot of info on the Rotax 277 on the web, but I am missing
> > some operating limitations. I could use some help with the following:
> >
> > Max EGT
> > Max CHT
> > Max continuous RPM
> >
> > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > Winchester, IN
> >
> > do not archive
>
>
>Couldn't find any old paperwork, but since I spent about 750 hours
>in front of one on the Hummer, here's what I remember: Maxair gave
>me a prop that allowed it to turn 6200 max and the only maintenance
>I ever gave it was one set of rings, 2 sets of points, and a set of
>crank seals. Max CHT was around 350, and max EGT was 1150. It was
>the version with the fan, but I also ran it without the fan and it
>did ok. I am not saying those were the limits, only that mine worked
>trouble free at those settings. If you have one, let me know and
>I'll send you a bunch of trivia on how to make it mostly trouble
>free (that I still remember) off list.
>
>If you are interested, I can send you instructions on how to turn
>the single ignition system into true dual ignition, but you'll have
>to machine the head for the second plug.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268254#268254
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>10/16/09 06:32:00
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Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect
he had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got
under the elevators and flipped him upside-down.
The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when
tied down, for that matter.
Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any
instruction from a CFI?
Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I
think a Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind.
Poor piloting technique, IMHO
Russ K
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On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something
> that
> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more
> about it.
> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I
> found a
> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I
> Googled and
> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
> interesting.
>
> It can be seen at:
>
> http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/
> man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
>
> Wet and cold.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Hey Russ, I agree with your comment about the guy getting any instruction
from a CFI. Period. But from the pics I saw, could any airplane stand on its
nose, from a taxi-ing mode & destruct the wings,& fuse from just being
blown over from the rear? IMHO, I think this guy impacted almost straight
down from a Flight Above the ground. Ribs destroyed, fuse crumpled??? Wind?
: )
Jim Kmet
912 MK-3CCookeville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <russkinne@mac.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos
>
> Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect he
> had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got under the
> elevators and flipped him upside-down.
> The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when tied
> down, for that matter.
> Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any instruction
> from a CFI?
> Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I think a
> Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind. Poor
> piloting technique, IMHO
> Russ K
> do not archive
>
> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>>
>> Kolbers,
>>
>> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that
>> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about
>> it.
>> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found
>> a
>> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and
>> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
>> interesting.
>>
>> It can be seen at:
>>
>> http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/
>> man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
>>
>> Wet and cold.
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>> Winchester, IN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Jim, Russ and all,
Maybe during the taxi he got airborne a little and then not knowing how to
handle the plane, crashed. If the wind was blowing that also would have
been a factor.
As for the severe damage, well, it could possibly happen from a taxi
mishap. My buddies Kolb FireStar was blown over by the wind, while parked. The
left wing went up, then with the right wing and the tail on the ground,
the whole plane went all the way over onto its back. It came down pretty
hard and bent the boom tube 45 degrees, both wings crumpled badly, tail
structure bent, wood prop broke and just a real mess.
Bill Varnes
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In a message dated 10/16/2009 6:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jlsk1@frontiernet.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1@frontiernet.net>
Hey Russ, I agree with your comment about the guy getting any instruction
from a CFI. Period. But from the pics I saw, could any airplane stand on
its
nose, from a taxi-ing mode & destruct the wings,& fuse from just being
blown over from the rear? IMHO, I think this guy impacted almost straight
down from a Flight Above the ground. Ribs destroyed, fuse crumpled???
Wind?
: )
Jim Kmet
912 MK-3CCookeville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <russkinne@mac.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
>
> Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect he
> had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got under the
> elevators and flipped him upside-down.
> The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when tied
> down, for that matter.
> Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any
instruction
> from a CFI?
> Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I think
a
> Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind. Poor
> piloting technique, IMHO
> Russ K
> do not archive
>
> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>>
>> Kolbers,
>>
>> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something
that
>> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more
about
>> it.
>> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I
found
>> a
>> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled
and
>> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
>> interesting.
>>
>> It can be seen at:
>>
>> http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/
>> man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
>>
>> Wet and cold.
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>> Winchester, IN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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