---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/16/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Crash Photos (Jack B. Hart) 2. 05:14 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Richard Girard) 3. 05:49 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Kip) 4. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Lazor (robert bean) 5. 07:08 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Herb) 6. 07:43 AM - Rotax 277 Operating Parameters (Jack B. Hart) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters (Richard Pike) 8. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters (Herb) 9. 02:49 PM - Re: Crash Photos (russ kinne) 10. 03:14 PM - Re: Crash Photos (Jim Kmet) 11. 08:22 PM - Re: Crash Photos (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 12. 09:22 PM - Kolb Laser pictures (WillUribe@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:10 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Crash Photos Kolbers, I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it. Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were interesting. It can be seen at: http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php Wet and cold. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos From: Richard Girard Ouch! Them little stick airplanes don't fare too well in a crunch. Fine reporting about the pilot "being taxied". So dumb it just makes me cringe. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > Kolbers, > > I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that > happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it. > Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a > report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and > found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were > interesting. > > It can be seen at: > > > http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php > > Wet and cold. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Crash Photos From: "Kip" Yep. Too much wood for me in this bird... :o -------- 2000 Firestar II R503 DCDI VLS 750 2010 Waiex Jabiru 3300 1980 Quickie 1 Electric? Needs restoration! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268203#268203 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:26 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lazor Have you done a W&B on that fine specimen yet? BB do not archive On 15, Oct 2009, at 11:23 PM, possums wrote: > Yes - it would be hard to send you a picture of the only? (Kolb - > Lazer) that you bought from TNK ,,, Travis. > But here is a picture of the New Kolb Mega-Lazer I bought from Bruce. > > > At 09:01 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >> >> Your message is incomprehensible. >> >> -------- >> 2000 Firestar II > Does anyone on the list have a kolb lazor that would be willing to > send some pic to me just baught one from travis. Thanks > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:08 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos Looks like a Fisher,LMA or Roger mann design... Certainly was not just "Taxiing" !! Herb At 07:38 AM 10/16/2009, you wrote: > >Kolbers, > >I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that >happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it. >Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a >report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and >found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were >interesting. > >It can be seen at: > >http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php > >Wet and cold. > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Winchester, IN > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >10/15/09 20:39:00 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:57 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters Kolbers, I have found a lot of info on the Rotax 277 on the web, but I am missing some operating limitations. I could use some help with the following: Max EGT Max CHT Max continuous RPM Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters From: "Richard Pike" jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > Kolbers, > > I have found a lot of info on the Rotax 277 on the web, but I am missing > some operating limitations. I could use some help with the following: > > Max EGT > Max CHT > Max continuous RPM > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > do not archive Couldn't find any old paperwork, but since I spent about 750 hours in front of one on the Hummer, here's what I remember: Maxair gave me a prop that allowed it to turn 6200 max and the only maintenance I ever gave it was one set of rings, 2 sets of points, and a set of crank seals. Max CHT was around 350, and max EGT was 1150. It was the version with the fan, but I also ran it without the fan and it did ok. I am not saying those were the limits, only that mine worked trouble free at those settings. If you have one, let me know and I'll send you a bunch of trivia on how to make it mostly trouble free (that I still remember) off list. If you are interested, I can send you instructions on how to turn the single ignition system into true dual ignition, but you'll have to machine the head for the second plug. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268254#268254 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:01 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 277 Operating Parameters Richard... that last sentence caught my eye...Can you elaborate ? Herb At 11:30 AM 10/16/2009, you wrote: > > >jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > > Kolbers, > > > > I have found a lot of info on the Rotax 277 on the web, but I am missing > > some operating limitations. I could use some help with the following: > > > > Max EGT > > Max CHT > > Max continuous RPM > > > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > > Winchester, IN > > > > do not archive > > >Couldn't find any old paperwork, but since I spent about 750 hours >in front of one on the Hummer, here's what I remember: Maxair gave >me a prop that allowed it to turn 6200 max and the only maintenance >I ever gave it was one set of rings, 2 sets of points, and a set of >crank seals. Max CHT was around 350, and max EGT was 1150. It was >the version with the fan, but I also ran it without the fan and it >did ok. I am not saying those were the limits, only that mine worked >trouble free at those settings. If you have one, let me know and >I'll send you a bunch of trivia on how to make it mostly trouble >free (that I still remember) off list. > >If you are interested, I can send you instructions on how to turn >the single ignition system into true dual ignition, but you'll have >to machine the head for the second plug. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268254#268254 > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >10/16/09 06:32:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:05 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect he had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got under the elevators and flipped him upside-down. The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when tied down, for that matter. Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any instruction from a CFI? Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I think a Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind. Poor piloting technique, IMHO Russ K do not archive On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > > Kolbers, > > I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something > that > happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more > about it. > Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I > found a > report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I > Googled and > found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were > interesting. > > It can be seen at: > > http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/ > man_injured_following_plane_cr.php > > Wet and cold. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos Hey Russ, I agree with your comment about the guy getting any instruction from a CFI. Period. But from the pics I saw, could any airplane stand on its nose, from a taxi-ing mode & destruct the wings,& fuse from just being blown over from the rear? IMHO, I think this guy impacted almost straight down from a Flight Above the ground. Ribs destroyed, fuse crumpled??? Wind? : ) Jim Kmet 912 MK-3CCookeville, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "russ kinne" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos > > Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect he > had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got under the > elevators and flipped him upside-down. > The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when tied > down, for that matter. > Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any instruction > from a CFI? > Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I think a > Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind. Poor > piloting technique, IMHO > Russ K > do not archive > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > >> >> >> Kolbers, >> >> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that >> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about >> it. >> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found >> a >> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and >> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were >> interesting. >> >> It can be seen at: >> >> http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/ >> man_injured_following_plane_cr.php >> >> Wet and cold. >> >> Jack B. Hart FF004 >> Winchester, IN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:12 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos Jim, Russ and all, Maybe during the taxi he got airborne a little and then not knowing how to handle the plane, crashed. If the wind was blowing that also would have been a factor. As for the severe damage, well, it could possibly happen from a taxi mishap. My buddies Kolb FireStar was blown over by the wind, while parked. The left wing went up, then with the right wing and the tail on the ground, the whole plane went all the way over onto its back. It came down pretty hard and bent the boom tube 45 degrees, both wings crumpled badly, tail structure bent, wood prop broke and just a real mess. Bill Varnes Do not archive In a message dated 10/16/2009 6:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jlsk1@frontiernet.net writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Kmet" Hey Russ, I agree with your comment about the guy getting any instruction from a CFI. Period. But from the pics I saw, could any airplane stand on its nose, from a taxi-ing mode & destruct the wings,& fuse from just being blown over from the rear? IMHO, I think this guy impacted almost straight down from a Flight Above the ground. Ribs destroyed, fuse crumpled??? Wind? : ) Jim Kmet 912 MK-3CCookeville, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "russ kinne" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect he > had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got under the > elevators and flipped him upside-down. > The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when tied > down, for that matter. > Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any instruction > from a CFI? > Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I think a > Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind. Poor > piloting technique, IMHO > Russ K > do not archive > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > >> >> >> Kolbers, >> >> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that >> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about >> it. >> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found >> a >> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and >> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were >> interesting. >> >> It can be seen at: >> >> http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/ >> man_injured_following_plane_cr.php >> >> Wet and cold. >> >> Jack B. Hart FF004 >> Winchester, IN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:50 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Laser pictures ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.