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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Super Cub Bear Attack 2009 (Thom Riddle)
2. 07:11 AM - Re: Crash Photos (jerb)
3. 08:49 AM - Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (powerglider)
4. 08:55 AM - Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (powerglider)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: Crash Photos (Eugene Zimmerman)
6. 04:42 PM - Rotax 503 Running Rough (gliderx5@comcast.net)
7. 07:23 PM - Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
8. 07:54 PM - Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough (daniel myers)
9. 09:11 PM - Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (ces308)
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| Subject: | Re: Super Cub Bear Attack 2009 |
I'm having a bit of trouble seeing an effective field repair to the right side
horizontal stabilizer with just duct tape. The rest of it seems reasonable but
not that part. There does not appear to be anything on the outboard end of the
stabilizer that could be used as a support for splints.
On the other hand, maybe, he just removed the right side HS fabric, ribs and leading
edge, leaving the trailing edge spar, full elevator and the left side HS
and was able to nurse it home with lots of trim. Changing and inflating the replacement
tires would be a bit of a challenge too unless whoever brought the
tires brought an air can and appropriate tools.
Interesting problem to speculate about, especially from the comfort of home.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
I still lean towards the got it off the ground, panicked and shoved
the stick forward and went in nose down. The Impact was pretty
substantial judging by the damage shown. Actual some of the damage
was result of the rescue effort getting the guy out. Too bad. Hope
the guy recovers OK.
jerb
At 08:06 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>I'm not an accident investigator, but you guys got me interested.
>The trouble I have with the dive it into the dirt theory is I don't
>think it's possible to dive the airplane into the ground from a
>survivable altitude in such a way as to not tear up the main gear.
>My guess, and that is exactly what it is, is that he got the tail up
>and either in a panic or accidentally or through some kind of brake
>lock up (it appears to have 5" Azusa drum brakes) he locked up the
>brakes and just went right over on his snout.
>Look at the struts, the channel carry through and the landing gear.
>The gear is almost pristine and the struts don't appear to be bent
>forward very much. The position of the engine wreckage is more like
>it was wiped off the aircraft and exited out of the debris field to
>the right side rather than simply crumpling inward.
>Anyway, it makes for some head churning and gives me a bit more
>appreciation for the guys who really do crash investigation.
>Hope the pilot recovers fully.
>
>Rick Girard
>do not archive
>
>On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:55 PM, George Myers
><<mailto:gmyers@grandecom.net>gmyers@grandecom.net> wrote:
><<mailto:gmyers@grandecom.net>gmyers@grandecom.net>
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>Maybe he did a 'Crow Flop'.
>
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>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of russ kinne
>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:34 PM
>To: <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos
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><<mailto:russkinne@mac.com>russkinne@mac.com>
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>Jerb, I never meant he flipped over backwards; it's pretty obvious he
>went over forwards.
>Judging from the gear condition, I think others listers are right in
>thinking he got airborne, maybe only 10-15', and nosed it in. If he
>got into the air, panicked and shoved the stick forward to get back
>on the ground immediately, this could easily result.
>Bottom line, IMHO, is still lack of training/instruction.
>Russ K
>do not archive
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>On Oct 18, 2009, at 8:15 PM, jerb wrote:
>
> <<mailto:ulflyer@verizon.net>ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > Russ, you may be right about flipping over backwards but the
> > straight down look of the impact makes me wonder more if he didn't
> > get airborne, then panicked and pushed the nose down.
> > jerb
> >
> >
> > At 02:48 PM 10/16/2009, you wrote:
> <<mailto:russkinne@mac.com>russkinne@mac.com>
> >>
> >> Dare I suggest that this pilot lacked some basic training? I suspect
> >> he had the stick full BACK while taxiing downwind, the wind got
> >> under the elevators and flipped him upside-down.
> >> The stick should be FORWARD with a strong tailwind, and also when
> >> tied down, for that matter.
> >> Don't they teach basics any more??? Or didn't he ever get any
> >> instruction from a CFI?
> >> Sorry to see his crash, but I think it could have been avoided. I
> >> think a Kolb could have been flipped the same way, with enough wind.
> >> Poor piloting technique, IMHO
> >> Russ K
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> >>
> >>> <<mailto:jbhart@onlyinternet.net>jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> >>>
> >>> Kolbers,
> >>>
> >>> I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something
> >>> that
> >>> happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more
> >>> about it.
> >>> Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I
> >>> found a
> >>> report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I
> >>> Googled and
> >>> found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
> >>> interesting.
> >>>
> >>> It can be seen at:
> >>>
> >>>
> <http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/>http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/
> >>> man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
> >>>
> >>> Wet and cold.
> >>>
> >>> Jack B. Hart FF004
> >>> Winchester, IN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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| Subject: | Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
My girlfriend just bought a Kolb Mark 3, she has some previous cesna experience
but needs instruction on her new plane as it's been a while (late 1980's).
Any instructors out there with Kolb 2 seat experience that don't have a plane that
want to teach her on her plane?
Located in Mediapolis, Iowa, 52637, close to Burlington.
Her other choice so far is to take lessons on a cesna again.
We can bring the plane to your favorite runway (hope it's not too far) and take
lessons from there. Or if you inspect our own field and it's appropriate you
would be welcome to teach here.
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| Subject: | Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
I have a flat trailer that I need to enclose for a Kolb Mark 3.
The plane isn't here yet, but the flat trailer is. My girlfriend wants me to enclose
it.
All I have are the length dimensions I see on the internet, 24 feet.
My question is 24 feet is perfect for the standard 8' sheets of aluminum, but is
the plane really 288 inches long?
If I build it exact it will no doubt get scratched on the tail and the nose, so
I figure it needs a little more room. How much room? 6 inches, so 3 inches of
padding on each end? More?
Is the plane by any chance a few inches shorter than the 24 feet you read on the
internet dimensions? The plane is 2 + hours away in a hangar right now and I
would not want to make that round trip just to measure it.
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Jerb,
Just a reminder. An airplane can be made to nose over more abruptly
with the stick fully back than it can with the stick fully forward.
Native human instinct is to pull back on the stick to arrest the rapid
descent. toward the tarmac.
Gene
On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:51 AM, jerb wrote:
> I still lean towards the got it off the ground, panicked and shoved
> the stick forward and went in nose down. The Impact was pretty
> substantial judging by the damage shown. Actual some of the damage
> was result of the rescue effort getting the guy out. Too bad. Hope
> the guy recovers OK.
> jerb
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 503 Running Rough |
I am looking for some help figuring out whats wrong with my SCSI 503. A cou
ple of weeks ago I noticed a miss at higher RPMs (5000 and above), It quick
ly got worse and then began missing at lower RPMs as well. I changed plugs
(resistor type), even though the ones that I was running only had 6 hours o
n them. Same results. I tried non-resistor plugs, same results. I tried rai
sing and lowering the carburetor needle which only made things worse. I rea
djusted the timing from 0.072 to 0.086 inches BTDC. Same results. I removed
the shielding around the sparkplug wires. Same results. I changed points a
nd condensers, and may have goofed up the timing, because now it runs terri
ble! I'm not sure what I'm chasing here! Another thing that puzzles me, and
might be a clue, has to due with the kill switch and behavior of the point
s. Let me explain. When setting the points on the right, the continuity lig
ht connected across the points dims noticably as the points open, regardles
s of kill switch position. The points on the left only dim when the kill sw
itch is in the run position. With the switch on the off position there is b
arely a perceptable flicker as the points open and close. I'm wondering why
the behavoir of the points would be different.
The engine was running fine all year long and I've logged several multi-hou
r flights over the summer without a problem. It has less than 2 years and 6
0 hours on new plug wires and suppression caps. Have any of you guys been d
own this road? Any thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough |
In a message dated 10/20/2009 7:43:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gliderx5@comcast.net writes:
I changed points and condensers, and may have goofed up the timing,
because now it runs terrible!
Malcolm,
This may not be the answer, but something to look at on your new points.
My buddy, Alan, had a Rotax 377 with points ignition. After installing
new points, we had a hard time getting the (Yamaha) point checker (Ohms
meter) to indicate properly. Discovered that the new points were dirty, either
oil or some other kind of preservative coating on the face of the points.
Point cleaning chemical spray would not get them clean. Had to resort to
very fine grit sand paper to get them clean. And as a final cleaning step,
an old timer once told me to slide a clean business card between the
closed points to remove any lasting residual dirt after cleaning them.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Rotax 503 Running Rough |
could it be a coil?
Daniel
From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 503 Running Rough
In a message dated 10/20/2009 7:43:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C gliderx
5@comcast.net writes:
I changed points and condensers=2C and may have goofed up the timing=2C bec
ause now it runs terrible!
Malcolm=2C
This may not be the answer=2C but something to look at on your new points.
My buddy=2C Alan=2C had a Rotax 377 with points ignition. After installing
new points=2C we had a hard time getting the (Yamaha) point checker (Ohms
meter) to indicate properly. Discovered that the new points were dirty=2C
either oil or some other kind of preservative coating on the face of the po
ints. Point cleaning chemical spray would not get them clean. Had to reso
rt to very fine grit sand paper to get them clean. And as a final cleaning
step=2C an old timer once told me to slide a clean business card between t
he closed points to remove any lasting residual dirt after cleaning them.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
Hello....I brought my M3X home from London,Kty last January to Houghton Lake Mi
with a 25' enclosed snowmobile trailer and it was to small ....a 27-28' trailer
would have been perfect.If you are building it ,make sure the header coming
in the back is at least 6' tall.I got mine in,but we had to leave the door
open a bit in the back and seal it off for the trip.Also I would take the wings
off and mount them on the sides of the trailer.we didn't putting it in and we
had a hell of a time getting it in...when we got home,we took the wings off
and everything came out real nice.I will post pictures tomorrow of the plane in
the trailer.I'm sure everyone else has a better way,but thats how I would do
it....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 74.0 hrs
N327CS
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