---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/23/09: 48 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - Re: law suit after selling plane? () 2. 03:59 AM - Re: law suit after selling plane? (pj.ladd) 3. 05:15 AM - Re: Muffler pics for Thom... (Thom Riddle) 4. 05:36 AM - Re: Muffler pics for Thom... (Thom Riddle) 5. 06:59 AM - Re: Crash Photos (robert bean) 6. 07:00 AM - Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (powerglider) 7. 07:02 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (powerglider) 8. 07:08 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (powerglider) 9. 07:22 AM - Re: law suit after selling plane? (Herb) 10. 07:40 AM - Re: law suit after selling plane? (Thom Riddle) 11. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (zeprep251@aol.com) 12. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (Richard Girard) 13. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (zeprep251@aol.com) 14. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (Richard Girard) 15. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (zeprep251@aol.com) 16. 08:07 AM - Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (powerglider) 17. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (John Hauck) 18. 08:14 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (powerglider) 19. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (Mike Welch) 20. 09:02 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (JetPilot) 21. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (Richard Girard) 22. 09:09 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (powerglider) 23. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (pj.ladd) 24. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (John Hauck) 25. 09:13 AM - Re: law suit after selling plane? (pj.ladd) 26. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (pj.ladd) 27. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (John Hauck) 28. 09:22 AM - Re: Crash Photos (pj.ladd) 29. 09:27 AM - Re: law suit after selling plane? (Herb) 30. 09:41 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (robert bean) 31. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (Richard Girard) 32. 09:58 AM - A month of testing email filtering (Richard Girard) 33. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (russ kinne) 34. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (Dana Hague) 35. 10:18 AM - Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? (powerglider) 36. 10:24 AM - Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (powerglider) 37. 12:43 PM - Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough (gliderx5@comcast.net) 38. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (b young) 39. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: law suit after selling plane? (Dana Hague) 40. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (Dana Hague) 41. 02:42 PM - grass strips (robert bean) 42. 03:10 PM - Re: law suit after selling plane? (pj.ladd) 43. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 44. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 45. 08:01 PM - Minimum Grass Strip Length??? (albertakolbmk3) 46. 08:05 PM - Cheap hanger ideas (albertakolbmk3) 47. 09:43 PM - Re: Cheap hanger ideas (Richard Girard) 48. 10:45 PM - Re: Minimum Grass Strip Length??? (John Bickham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:22 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? A few more with your out look may slow the litigation lawyers down. Good on you for the sensable approach . I have always thought that if sued and found to be not at fault you should be able to counter sue for the costs, stress or damage to name. The mind boggles from a place that doesn't provide for suing. Why should someone profit from someone else's misfortune. As you said the choice is yours as to whether you hop in or not. You can bet your last $ that the PIC is aiming for a totally non eventful flight as well . People like your self inspire confidence in the human race. Downunder MK111c ----- Original Message ----- From: chris davis To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? Dave I'm with you , I crashed with the demo pilot at TNK Norm Labhart the lawyers that my wife had wanted me to sue for millions of dollars, Kolb , Rotax , The pilots widow , I look at life very much like I believe from your email you do , I couldn't sue Kolb there was very little wrong with the Mk III ex , I couldn't sue Rotax the NTSB took the engine to Fl . put it on a stand and ran it WFO for 100 hrs without failure, and Norms wife I could have sued her and taken their home but I wouldn't do something like that , he had 2 kids 8 and 6 and I could never be that much of an asshole. He was from all reports John Haucks and every one who new him a good man and a good pilot ! Our society has turned into an overly litigious abortion ,I walked around that aircraft and I got in what happened to me was my responsibility! Amen! Chris I Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Dave Kulp To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 10:13:42 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? Kolbers, The discussion we're seeing on liability is an indictment on the lack of personal responsibility that is becoming more and more prevalent in our society. We're turning into a bunch of whining, puking babies, to quote a master. Re: my catastrophic failure at over 1000' AGL in an underconstructed Chicken Hawk, I did try to locate the mfgr. in Bellingham, WA, but learned he was out of business. I intended to sue the manufacturer, since the manufacturer has the responsibility to build a product that is adequate for its intended purpose, and just as the consumer doesn't have the obligation to check the tensile strength of the tie rods of the car he buys, I should not be expected to research the cables used for the flight controls, which had failed. But!!! that's where it stops with a reasonable person in this kind of situation. I never considered suing the man I bought the UL from, the fellow who put it together, the owner of the strip I flew out of, or even the man a mile from the airstrip whose brush growing along his drive served to allow me to survive the fall. None of them had any responsibility for the construction of or my decision to fly the aircraft. And since I've raised my children with the same personal responsibility philosophy that was bred into me, it's highly unlikely they would have acted any differently if I hadn't survived. Bottom line: anyone can sue anyone for almost anything, so you can't shovel snow perfectly enough to totally escape the threat of a lawsuit. I believe it's best to just relax, go about life in a reasonable manner, and fight the bozos when you must. There are too many of them on the loose to avoid them entirely! Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK You can check www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor@rcn.com.05.07.2007 if you'd like to check pics, etc. of the failure and crash. Time: 06:11:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: law suit after selling plane? From: "Don G" Grant, Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its worth what you are paying for it... Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys... then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the wings off and take out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things and have him help so he can see how to put it back together.. Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that is NOT in flying condition...parts sale only. Pack it up and send him on his way. Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he kills himself in it then. -------- Don G. Central Illinois - p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. _===== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:35 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? class actions law suits, >> It is a less litigious society over here, but don`t worry, we are getting there. Often now a claim will be pursued not because a law was broken but because `guide lines` were not followed. We have a thing called ` Health and Safety` which it seems dreams up all sorts of ridiculous rules. If you have to change a light bulb and climb higher than 3 feet you MUST have a a ladder. Standing on a chair and then falling of means you `were not following guide lines` A policeman is now not allowed to rescue someone drowning unless he has received `specialist training`. This happened the other day and while the policeman was being told by his headquarters via his cell phone that he should not do anything a bystander went in and pulled the drowning guy out. Boy Scouts are not allowed to take penknives to camp and are not allowed to light fires. This is not the law, merely `guide lines`. The problem is that if an accident occurs the first question is`Did you follow the guide lines` You didn`t? Well there you are then! You have three strikes against you before the case starts, .and the insurance company collects again. The result is that teachers will not take schoolkids on outings, no one will be a Scoutmaster or a Girl Guide leader. Who loses out?.The kids the system was designed to protect. What really makes me angry is that it only needs one judge to take a stand and a commonsense view and say `Case dismissed and I award costs against the complainant` and the whole edifice would collapse like a house of cards. Unfortunately there is too much money riding on the system whereby everyone in the legal profession briefs, and charges, someone else and every lawyer wants eventually to get to the top of the pile. We have just had a case of a weight shift which failed in flight and everyone, including the unpaid inspector who signed the machine off were going to be sued. The charge of course was `negligence`. Nearly everyone in the microlight movement kicked in some money for a fighting fund and in the face of expert witnesses flown in from around the world the judge decided there was no negligence and everyone breathed a sigh of relief because a finding the other way would have stopped our entire system in its tracks. People wonder why we talk of `the good old days` Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler pics for Thom... From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks for the photos, Chris. It appears that our exhaust systems are virtually identical. Now that I look at these photos I see why you can fold your wings and I can't fold mine without removing the muffler. The aft end of the Slingshot, because it is a tandem seat arrangement is much narrower than the side-by-side seating arrangement. Therefore the pivot points on the wing fold hinges are much closer together and inboard of the outer ends of the muffler. When you fold the wings the aileron torque tubes rise well above the muffler bottom. If the hinge points and torque tubes are outboard of the muffler ends they will clear the muffler. On the narrower SS the folded wings are much closer together and thus interfere with the muffler when folded. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269043#269043 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Muffler pics for Thom... From: "Thom Riddle" Chris, I forgot to post a photo of my muffler. Here it is before I had the prop refinished. The prop is now natural color with polyurethane coating with inlaid leading edge protection instead of that peel-away-in-the-rain black coating shown in this photo. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269046#269046 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jabiru_engine_rt_rear_118.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:03 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos I was lucky and had an FAA inspector for a neighbor. He was a good guy and I'm sure kept me shielded for nearly 20years. Only one time he mentioned that someone had squawked about me flying "over their house" -I asked where that might have been because I never fly low directly over anyone's house. End of story. BB do not archive On 22, Oct 2009, at 11:24 PM, possums wrote: > I agree with the "government can not prevent folks from doing > something stupid" part. > > I've been involved, so to speak, in at least 3 incidents that caused > damaged to my plane. No one else > and one else's property was involved. No one was hurt or > inconvenienced in anyway. > In all three occasions the FAA told the people (police, me, FBO, > etc.) that they were not going to > investigate because they were told the "plane" was an ultralight". > They lied every time. They went out of > their way to investigate. Things can turn ugly very quickly if you > take them at their word. > Of course things are different now with the SPL. > However.............be mindful that even though they are very > nice & professional when they ask you questions (even over the > phone) they are not your friends. > For instance - (nothing to do with the above) but if they say > someone reported you flying too low (buzzing) their house - what > color is your plane?? > Do not answer the question directly. Ask them what color the plan > was that broke the rules. It will never > be your color, unless you give it to them first. Maybe I just got a > chip on my shoulder, but after the first time, I never > let them trick me again. If you crashed your plane back them - take > out the extra tank, remove the engine, even tear off the fabric. > No so much of a problem anymore. But they ain't your friends! > > At 10:30 AM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >> Patrick/Gang: >> >> The government can not prevent folks from doing something stupid, >> >> I, personally, do not see a down side to this accident by not >> getting the FAA and NTSB involved. Both these agencies have their >> hands full investigating "real" airplane accidents. >> >> We are already over regulated and Obama wants to regulate us even >> more. ;-( More government, more tax. >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: "powerglider" great looking planes guys! Nice trailer. The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long time and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wings when folded might end up longer than the tail. So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are folded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner measure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing. Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X? For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet. The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trailer bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the deck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the length I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly. Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resistance but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part. I appreciate the response, please keep them coming! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269053#269053 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:27 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: "powerglider" thank you for the replies. My girlfriend found an instructor not too far away in Muscatine Iowa. He flies another tail dragger and will be getting familiar with her Kolb, then provide the instruction on her Kolb as long as he feels comfortable with that first which makes sense. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269054#269054 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: "powerglider" I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for. I'm hoping 2 runways, 1 north/south, 1 east/west both 500 feet long and 60 feet wide would be enough for a reasonable safety margin, is it? No obstructions, 1 year corn stalks, 1 year soy beans around the runways, overrun would be the corn of the beans (nothing else to hit). since the width is narrow, how can a pilot best keep the plane in the middle with a visual marker of some kind? a tall pole in the center at the end of the runway wouldn't work because it's an extra obstacle to clear, how to you mark the grass with a center line that is effective but environmentally friendly and offers excellent visibility? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269058#269058 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:51 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? Sounds as if Shakespeare was right?? :-) Herb At 05:58 AM 10/23/2009, you wrote: >class actions law suits, >> > >It is a less litigious society over here, but don`t worry, we are >getting there. Often now a claim will be pursued not because a law >was broken but because `guide lines` were not followed. >We have a thing called ` Health and Safety` which it seems dreams up >all sorts of ridiculous rules. If you have to change a light bulb >and climb higher than 3 feet you MUST have a a ladder. Standing on a >chair and then falling of means you `were not following guide lines` >A policeman is now not allowed to rescue someone drowning unless he >has received `specialist training`. This happened the other day and >while the policeman was being told by his headquarters via his cell >phone that he should not do anything a bystander went in and pulled >the drowning guy out. Boy Scouts are not allowed to take penknives >to camp and are not allowed to light fires. This is not the law, >merely `guide lines`. The problem is that if an accident occurs the >first question is`Did you follow the guide lines` You didn`t? Well >there you are then! You have three strikes against you before the >case starts, .and the insurance company collects again. The result >is that teachers will not take schoolkids on outings, no one will be >a Scoutmaster or a Girl Guide leader. Who loses out?.The kids the >system was designed to protect. >What really makes me angry is that it only needs one judge to take a >stand and a commonsense view and say `Case dismissed and I award >costs against the complainant` and the whole edifice would collapse >like a house of cards. Unfortunately there is too much money riding >on the system whereby everyone in the legal profession briefs, and >charges, someone else and every lawyer wants eventually to get to >the top of the pile. > >We have just had a case of a weight shift which failed in flight and >everyone, including the unpaid inspector who signed the machine off >were going to be sued. The charge of course was `negligence`. Nearly >everyone in the microlight movement kicked in some money for a >fighting fund and in the face of expert witnesses flown in from >around the world the judge decided there was no negligence and >everyone breathed a sigh of relief because a finding the other way >would have stopped our entire system in its tracks. > >People wonder why we talk of `the good old days` > >Cheers > >Pat > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: law suit after selling plane? From: "Thom Riddle" Pat, In the USofA we have the Occupational Safey and Health Administration (OSHA for short). Attached is a .jpg of a caricature of what a cowboy's riding paraphernalia might look like if OSHA was in charge of making the cowboy safe. Do Not Archive this non-kolb related stuff. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269064#269064 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowboy_116.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: zeprep251@aol.com Powerglider, A couple more picts G.Aman MK-3C over 9000 miles trailering the plane with wings folded with no damage. -----Original Message----- From: powerglider Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 10:00 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? great looking planes guys! Nice trailer. The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long tim e and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wi ngs when folded might end up longer than the tail. So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are fo lded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner meas ure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing. Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X? For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet. The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trai ler bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the de ck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the leng th I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly . Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resist ance but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part. I appreciate the response, please keep them coming! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269053#269053 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: Richard Girard Why put so many things in the first lessons. Find a nice long runway and take that part out of the equation until she's familiar and comfortable in the plane, then tackle short grass fields and visualization skills. I fly all over Kansas and I've never seen a grass strip with any sort of marking, other than lights along the edge and that's rare. MHO. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:07 AM, powerglider wrote: > > I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for. > > I'm hoping 2 runways, 1 north/south, 1 east/west both 500 feet long and 60 > feet wide would be enough for a reasonable safety margin, is it? > > No obstructions, 1 year corn stalks, 1 year soy beans around the runways, > overrun would be the corn of the beans (nothing else to hit). > > since the width is narrow, how can a pilot best keep the plane in the > middle with a visual marker of some kind? a tall pole in the center at the > end of the runway wouldn't work because it's an extra obstacle to clear, how > to you mark the grass with a center line that is effective but > environmentally friendly and offers excellent visibility? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269058#269058 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: zeprep251@aol.com Powerglider, Need the V-nose to have enough room even for the C model.Basic trailer is a car hauler 24"plus the V nose. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200 495hrs -----Original Message----- From: powerglider Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 10:00 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? great looking planes guys! Nice trailer. The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long tim e and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wi ngs when folded might end up longer than the tail. So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are fo lded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner meas ure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing. Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X? For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet. The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trai ler bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the de ck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the leng th I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly . Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resist ance but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part. I appreciate the response, please keep them coming! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269053#269053 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: Richard Girard The wings tips of a Mk III are slightly longer than the rudder when folded.Some suggestions: Make a dolly to carry the tail boom during transport. Folding the wings doubles the load on the tail wheel. Make sure the wing and boom fittings line up correctly and you have all the padding required before you show up with a trailer. Take lots of tools. Personally, if it's less than 500 miles, I'd fly her home and save the trouble of fitting out a trailer right off the bat. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:00 AM, powerglider wrote: > > great looking planes guys! Nice trailer. > > The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long time > and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the > wings when folded might end up longer than the tail. > > So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are > folded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner > measure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when > the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing. > > Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X? > > For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet. > > The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the > trailer bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend > the deck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer > frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" > to extend the length I currently have it could work but might look pretty > ugly, I don't like ugly. Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut > down on the wind resistance but framing it out is a bit more work on the > roof part. > > I appreciate the response, please keep them coming! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269053#269053 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: zeprep251@aol.com Powerglider, You need the V nose to clear even the C model comfortably.This is a car ha uler with 7' opening and 24' length plus 30" or so added by the V nose. G.Aman MK3-C -----Original Message----- From: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 10:30 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? Powerglider, A couple more picts G.Aman MK-3C over 9000 miles trailering the plane with wings folded with no damage. -----Original Message----- From: powerglider Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 10:00 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? great looking planes guys! Nice trailer. The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long tim e and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wi ngs when folded might end up longer than the tail. So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are fo lded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner meas ure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing. Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X? For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet. The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trai ler bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the de ck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the leng th I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly . Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resist ance but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part. I appreciate the response, please keep them coming! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p&9053#269053 ======================== =========== rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ======================== =========== ttp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: "powerglider" looks like a v-nose is in my future! Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269077#269077 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? Why less than 500 miles? john h mkIII Marysvale, UT DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- Personally, if it's less than 500 miles, I'd fly her home and save the trouble of fitting out a trailer right off the bat. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: "powerglider" OK, didn't explain right the first time. She's taking lessons on another field and probably will fly out of a longer field in 2010 as well. I agree 100%, go for a nice long field for at least 1 season, then as many more as it takes to feel comfortable. I'm starting the field now since I thought it would take at least 1 full season and probably 2 to make the runways flat enough and the grass at least reasonable. Right now it's left over soy bean field. Next year it will be corn so I would rather begin the runways this year since it's starting fairly flat to begin with. Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too much. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269081#269081 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:36 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? Why less than 500 miles? john h mkIII Marysvale=2C UT DO NOT ARCHIVE Now THAT'S funny!! John's comment struck me as funny=2C since his flights seem to be in the "t housands of miles". 500 miles probably barely warms up his engine. Mike Welch MkIII CX do not archive ----- Original Message ----- Personally=2C if it's less than 500 miles=2C I'd fly her home and save the trouble of fitting out a trailer right off the bat. Rick Girard _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T: WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: "JetPilot" PowerGlider, One thing to watch out for when flying the Kolb is that is looses speed MUCH faster than any other plane you have ever flown when you pull the power. Most people that have GA experience start to pull the power at 50 feet or so, and expect the plane to keep flying. If you do this on approach, you will not believe how fast you will stall and crash. The Kolb is pretty easy to fly, but this is the one mistake every new pilot to this type of plane makes. Also, power off glide is very bad, be prepared to point the nose WAY down when you do pull the power off, its nothing like just lowering the nose in a Cessna or piper. Take the time to get training in your Kolb , if you wreck your plane due to lack of training, you wont be flying anyways, so just wait for the training. 500 feet is not long enough to safely fly a Kolb out of on a REGULAR basis... 500 feet can be done under perfect conditions when you are at the top of your game, but you will not be able to do this every time. If you base your Kolb at the airport you describe, you will end up in the corn sooner or later, guaranteed. If it happens on takeoff, it will be really bad... I would make a single runway 1000 feet long, that is doable once you have experience IF there are no obstructions at each end if you have a Rotax 912-S. If its a 582, I do not think 1000 feet will be enough to operate out of. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269092#269092 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: Richard Girard John, Just an estimate based on time of year. Short days and all, there's only about an 8 hour period when it's A: not hazy, generally takes a few hours for the humidity to drop and the air to clear, and B: it's pretty cool in the morning and the warmest hours are 11 to 7. Allowing for a 70 to 80 mile an hour cruising speed and time for a pit stop it's a fair estimate for a one day flight. Rick On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Why less than 500 miles? > > john h > mkIII > Marysvale, UT > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ----- > * * > Personally, if it's less than 500 miles, I'd fly her home and save the > trouble of fitting out a trailer right off the bat. > > Rick Girard > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:16 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: "powerglider" jetpilot, I will have her read all this. I'm not the one flying the Kolb, don't plan on it, I enjoy flying my paramotors and it's enough flying for me. I might join her as a passenger when she is trained, confident and ready, but I'm not in a hurry to take the passenger seat, I fly all the time in my paramotors and it gives me plenty of satisfaction. Wow, 1000 feet! OK, I think we have that. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269097#269097 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:58 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: law suit after selling plane? USofA we have the Occupational Safey and Health Administration (OSHA for short). Attached is a .jpg of a caricature of what a cowboy's riding paraphernalia might look like if OSHA was in charge of making the cowboy safe. >> Looks as though our governmental agencies are related. Thanks for the pic. I like the `Blue tail fly repellent. Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:27 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? I was thinking even a two, three, or four day flight is cheaper and a lot less hassle than trying to build a trailer. Also, much easier on the airplane. Trailering is tough on airplanes. john h mkIII Allowing for a 70 to 80 mile an hour cruising speed and time for a pit stop it's a fair estimate for a one day flight. Rick ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:35 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? Sounds as if Shakespeare was right?? :-) Herb He was right about a lot of things. Which bit? (showing my ignorance) Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:54 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for.>> Runways? I don`t know anyone who operates from a runway. Ithought grass strips was what our flying was all about. A big field so that you can land and take off in any direction is a lot more useful and even that is not strictly necessary Pat ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:57 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? > Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too much. I have been flying off 750 feet in a cow pasture for 25 years. Even that looks short after flying out of 3 and 4 thousand foot strips for a while. 60 feet is wide enough for me. The mkIII is 30 feet wide. Gives 15 feet on each side. I don't know how well your girl friend will fly. She may need a wider and longer strip. Do you have a name? john h mkIII Marysvale, UT ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:56 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crash Photos Only one time he mentioned that someone had squawked about me flying "over their house">> Hi Robert, until recently microlights have been constrained by the usual `not closer to any building or large group of people and being able to glide clear`` stuff but this has been relaxed and we can now fly over villages and towns under the same rules as `normal` light aircraft. LOW? you had better be landing or taking off. Pat ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:57 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? The lawyer utterance...Herb At 11:13 AM 10/23/2009, you wrote: >Sounds as if Shakespeare was right?? :-) Herb >He was right about a lot of things. Which bit? (showing my ignorance) > >Pat > >do not archive > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:46 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? 1200' is plenty, especially if there are holes at the ends. The sumac on this end is tall enough to keep me steep so's not to scare the folks on I-90 BB MkIII, 28' wings DSCN1664.JPG ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: Richard Girard John, I agree, all it takes is one good pot hole to do serious damage. Even tar strips in the road can do mischief if the plane isn't well padded. I was thinking of a time constraint like a single weekend to accomplish the move. Rick On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:13 AM, John Hauck wrote: > I was thinking even a two, three, or four day flight is cheaper and a lot > less hassle than trying to build a trailer. Also, much easier on the > airplane. Trailering is tough on airplanes. > > john h > mkIII > > > Allowing for a 70 to 80 mile an hour cruising speed and time for a pit > stop it's a fair estimate for a one day flight. > > Rick > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: A month of testing email filtering From: Richard Girard I'm basically lazy and figure this expensive box ought to be able to filter out messages I have no interest in without my even having to hit the delete key. Turns out with Gmail it was easy. To create a message filter all you have to do is: Check the box on a message from the offensive party >From the More Actions drop down menu select "filter messages like these" The email address of the offender appears automatically in the "Create a Filter" drop down box. You can refine the filter further if you wish by putting in commonly used slurs, swear words, or whatever you wish, but to just delete all messages from a sender the email address is all you need. Click the "Next Step" button. Click the box that says "Delete It" and click the "Create Filter" button. That's all it takes. I was concerned about whole topics or conversations being deleted by accident but Gmail's filtering seems pretty sophisticated. It's not even fooled by all the "Re" additions. If it sees the offending email address the message goes right to trash. Sorry, I can't speak for other software or email services, but they should have similar features. Doesn't solve the problem, to be sure, all it does is automate the deletion process. To further automate it, change the number of days before emptying the trash file to 1. Rick Girard do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:35 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: law suit after selling plane? Mike What you say is quite true -- but if trouble comes, you're a LOT better off if you have a signed release. Involves 'intent' on buyer's part. Russ K do not archive On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:53 PM, possums wrote: > > At 09:10 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote: >> >> Grant, >> Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its worth >> what you are paying for it... >> >> Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys... >> then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the >> wings off and take out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple >> things and have him help so he can see how to put it back together.. >> Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that >> is NOT in flying condition...parts sale only. >> Pack it up and send him on his way. >> Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he >> kills himself in it then. >> >> -------- >> Don G. > Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no > contract, in no way would ever work. The person that buys your > plane may or may not be able to sue you depending on the details, > BUT.... The person that purchases your plane can NOT EVER sign the > rights of his family away, they can sue you no matter what he signs. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:07 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? At 12:08 PM 10/23/2009, powerglider wrote: >I'm not the one flying the Kolb, don't plan on it, I enjoy flying my >paramotors and it's enough flying for me. I might join her as a passenger >when she is trained, confident and ready, but I'm not in a hurry to take >the passenger seat, I fly all the time in my paramotors and it gives me >plenty of satisfaction. > >Wow, 1000 feet! OK, I think we have that. I'm with Mike on this one, a single 1000' strip takes the same acerage as two 500' strips and a Kolb handles a crosswind far better than a PPG. Plus, part of the fun of a private strip is having friends drop in and 1000' makes that a lot easier. No reason you can't fly both PPG and a Kolb, several of us in CT do... do I know you from the PPG list? -Dana -- We have enough youth; how about a Fountain of Smart? ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? From: "powerglider" previous owner has the hangar paid for until Jan 1, he's only 2 hours drive away. He came to bring the flat trailer so we could start on it. While he was here he inspected the bean field and said he could land on it as is. He said he was willing to fly the plane here and another pilot at the same airport was going to follow him in another plane to land on the bean field and take off again brining him home. But that was before the 4-5 days of shitty weather moved in let's see... about 4-5 days ago, and it looks from the forecast that we aren't going to have a 3-4 day break to dry things up (the mud in the bean field) for at least another week. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269117#269117 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: "powerglider" Sorry about that, yes my name is Francesco De Santis. My girlfriend's name is Dawn Shaffer. I'm new to the area as we moved here from Florida where I haven't seen snow in 15 years, well saw some 2 saturday's ago! I was just thinking it would be easier to make a new "grass strip" that is larger/longer and perhaps take some off if it's too much than to try and make one too small and then make it larger/longer. John Hauck wrote: > > Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 > feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a > good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an > extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too > much. > > > I have been flying off 750 feet in a cow pasture for 25 years. Even that > looks short after flying out of 3 and 4 thousand foot strips for a while. > 60 feet is wide enough for me. The mkIII is 30 feet wide. Gives 15 feet on > each side. > > I don't know how well your girl friend will fly. She may need a wider and > longer strip. > > Do you have a name? > > john h > mkIII > Marysvale, UT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269121#269121 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:12 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 503 Running Rough Update on the 503. I took everything apart again, tweaked the timing, put i n 2 new resistor plugs, and it runs like new. I'm not sure what the issue w as, but I suspect it may have been a condenser. I now have good timing, new points, condensers, and plugs. I did reseat the wires on the coils, which could have been an issue also. Now, I just need some nice flying weather. I did a quick flight today just to check out the engine, but it was windy an d bumpy. Malcolm Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: gliderx5@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:38:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 503 Running Rough I am looking for some help figuring out whats wrong with my SCSI 503. A cou ple of weeks ago I noticed a miss at higher RPMs (5000 and above), It quick ly got worse and then began missing at lower RPMs as well. I changed plugs (resistor type), even though the ones that I was running only had 6 hours o n them. Same results. I tried non-resistor plugs, same results. I tried rai sing and lowering the carburetor needle which only made things worse. I rea djusted the timing from 0.072 to 0.086 inches BTDC. Same results. I removed the shielding around the sparkplug wires. Same results. I changed points a nd condensers, and may have goofed up the timing, because now it runs terri ble! I'm not sure what I'm chasing here! Another thing that puzzles me, and might be a clue, has to due with the kill switch and behavior of the point s. Let me explain. When setting the points on the right, the continuity lig ht connected across the points dims noticably as the points open, regardles s of kill switch position. The points on the left only dim when the kill sw itch is in the run position. With the switch on the off position there is b arely a perceptable flicker as the points open and close. I'm wondering why the behavoir of the points would be different. The engine was running fine all year long and I've logged several multi-hou r flights over the summer without a problem. It has less than 2 years and 6 0 hours on new plug wires and suppression caps. Have any of you guys been d own this road? Any thoughts? Malcolm Morrison == ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:01 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: law suit after selling plane? Mike What you say is quite true -- but if trouble comes, you're a LOT better off if you have a signed release. Involves 'intent' on buyer's part. Russ K do not archive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this has been gone over enough,,, but if you sold the plane to the wife, and had her sign it,,, when her husband died in a crash,,, well worth what you paid, or better yet, sell it to both, and have both sign the forms. Boyd ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:37 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: law suit after selling plane? At 04:08 PM 10/23/2009, b young wrote: >...or better yet, sell it to both, and have both sign >the forms. That may be the best idea yet... only, if the wife is the kind that would be willing to sign, she's not the kind who'd sue anyway... -Dana -- Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it? ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:19 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? At 01:24 PM 10/23/2009, powerglider wrote: > >Sorry about that, yes my name is Francesco De Santis. My girlfriend's name >is Dawn Shaffer. Ah HA! Small world eh Check? But then aviation always is... Stan Kasica's flying his Kolb more than his PPG nowadays, as am I... not that either of us will ever give up PPG... -Dana -- Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it? ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:15 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: grass strips -looking north. Good fortune of having soybeans in the foreground this year. Can't beat grass, never need brakes. pic is the result of VHS going through three different digital file types and captured as a still. The hard way to get there but just an experiment. BB, shedding the hair shirt. do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:39 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane? The lawyer utterance...Herb Gotcha.. Pat ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I have a 582 on mK3c and I fly out of a 900 ft and never use even half of it on take off or landing when I am alone but I use 2/3 of it when takin g a pasanger and I also been flying kolbs a while I have flown a Mk3X with a 912UL 80 Hp and that would also work on this 90 0 ft strip but it uses more runway than My Plane on Both Take off & Landin g dont do as I say do what works for you,Be safe if your new at this get al l the room you can untill that plane fits you like a Glove Fly on Ellery in Maine do not archive -----Original Message----- From: JetPilot Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 12:00 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? PowerGlider, One thing to watch out for when flying the Kolb is that is looses speed MU CH aster than any other plane you have ever flown when you pull the power. Most eople that have GA experience start to pull the power at 50 feet or so, an d xpect the plane to keep flying. If you do this on approach, you will not elieve how fast you will stall and crash. The Kolb is pretty easy to fly, but his is the one mistake every new pilot to this type of plane makes. Also , ower off glide is very bad, be prepared to point the nose WAY down when yo u do ull the power off, its nothing like just lowering the nose in a Cessna or iper. Take the time to get training in your Kolb , if you wreck your plan e due o lack of training, you wont be flying anyways, so just wait for the train ing. 500 feet is not long enough to safely fly a Kolb out of on a REGULAR basis ... 00 feet can be done under perfect conditions when you are at the top of yo ur ame, but you will not be able to do this every time. If you base your Kol b at he airport you describe, you will end up in the corn sooner or later, uaranteed. If it happens on takeoff, it will be really bad... I would make a ingle runway 1000 feet long, that is doable once you have experience IF th ere re no obstructions at each end if you have a Rotax 912-S. If its a 582, I do ot think 1000 feet will be enough to operate out of. Mike -------- quot;NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you co uld ave !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269092#269092 ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? From: Ellery Batchelder Jr if you dont take a good safety margin out of the crop she could become fer tilizer and I dont think anyone wants that to happen Ellery do not archive -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 11:23 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? > Just wondering if 500 feet will be enough after 1 season of flying? 600 feet by 60 feet is 1 acre, just trying to not take away any acreage from a good producing black Iowa soil, but safety will be more important than an extra acre or two of corn, Iowa won't miss 120 bushels or so of corn too much. I have been flying off 750 feet in a cow pasture for 25 years. Even that looks short after flying out of 3 and 4 thousand foot strips for a while. 60 feet is wide enough for me. The mkIII is 30 feet wide. Gives 15 feet on each side. I don't know how well your girl friend will fly. She may need a wider and longer strip. Do you have a name? john h mkIII Marysvale, UT ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Minimum Grass Strip Length??? From: "albertakolbmk3" Hi, Just wondering what a comfortable length is for a grass strip with only a 4' high fence to clear on either end? I think I have about 1500' fence to fence. Keep in mind I just got my license and have been flying off of a 5000' runway. I was thinking of putting markers on our grass strip just to see how long 1500' is when your coming in to land. I'll force myself to land as short as possible. -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269196#269196 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Cheap hanger ideas From: "albertakolbmk3" Hi again, Anyone have some good ideas for a cheap hangar just to keep snow and the likes off of the kolb? -------- Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269197#269197 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cheap hanger ideas From: Richard Girard Do they have those cheap steel carports in Canada? They're pretty thin corrugated so I don't know how they'd do for snow loads, I don know that they stand up to 70 mph winds. Not bad for a structure that's nailed to the ground. If you folded the wings for the winter you could get by with a single car size and extend the length for just a bit more money. There was an article in EAA's Light Sport Magazine about a fellow who made a footing to extend the height and used it for his trike. I had a buddy who bought one of the silver tarp portable carports and it was rotten inside of two years. Rick On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote: > cheriebraun@xplornet.com> > > Hi again, > > Anyone have some good ideas for a cheap hangar just to keep snow and the > likes off of the kolb? > > -------- > Kolb MKIII C > Rotax 582 > C Gearbox 3.00:1 > WD 66" 3 Blade Prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269197#269197 > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Minimum Grass Strip Length??? From: "John Bickham" Been there, done this! I fly out of my strip, Nauga Field, which is 1550 ft. It has tall trees and power lines both ends. The first time I approached it, I turned around and went back to my long 2500 ft base strip. It just visually looked way too short. That was because I was used to flying off 2500 to 6000 ft runways. I did just what you suggested. I marked off the longer grass strip with flagging. I marked the obstacles and middle of the runway. It turned out to be easy. It was just what you are used to looking at. Once you mark the distances, and do some practicing with that, you should have a firm understanding of what you and your Kolb are capable of. The only real key for me is that I make a go, no-go decision as I cross the obstacles. If I'm not at the right position and right speed it is go-around time. Ten MPH too fast will eat up a lot of runway. The shorter field leaves little room to "adjust". Too late to make a decision in the flare. It will force you to be better at controlling approach airspeed to a greater degree. Practice a lot of approaches only, just nail the airspeed. It will also build your confidence and capabilities. Will come in handy, in the event of an emergency. Just take it slow and build up to it. Practice, practice, practice on the longer field, marked. The plane is capable. You will know when you are capable. Be careful, just had a thread lately with someone getting too slow on approach. Never good. Hope this helps. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. 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