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1. 05:15 AM - Re: Matco Brake Problem (Thom Riddle)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Cheap hanger ideas/Changed to Fuel Systems (John Hauck)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Matco Brake Problem (John Hauck)
4. 08:24 AM - Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta (Scott Perkins)
5. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Matco Brake Problem (b young)
6. 08:55 AM - lawsuits/liability/etc (JAMES BEARD)
7. 09:03 AM - Sunday flight and grass strip landing (cristalclear13)
8. 10:58 AM - Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation via pick up tubes (Mahesh Iyer)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: Cheap hanger ideas (albertakolbmk3)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (cristalclear13)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation via pick up tubes (Beauford T)
12. 03:05 PM - Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation via pick up tubes (John Hauck)
13. 03:24 PM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
14. 03:48 PM - Re: Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta (william sullivan)
15. 05:39 PM - Re: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta (Dan Walter)
16. 05:52 PM - Re: Sunday flight and grass strip landing (John Hauck)
17. 06:09 PM - Re: Sunday flight and grass strip landing (cristalclear13)
18. 06:52 PM - UltraStar gap seal (Dana Hague)
19. 06:52 PM - fumes (robert bean)
20. 07:06 PM - Re: Ultrastar gap seal (william sullivan)
21. 07:18 PM - Re: Matco Brake Problem (JetPilot)
22. 08:31 PM - Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation via pick up tubes (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake Problem |
My Matco brake documentation says to use 5606 fluid, not ATF fluid. Not sure what
kind of seals and o-rings are in Matco brakes nor if the they are compatible
with ATF. I use 5606 per Matco's spec.
Matco also states that you need 2.5 to 1 mechanical advantage on the actuator.
If your pedal setup does not give you that, the braking power will be diminished
proportionally.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Cheap hanger ideas/Changed to Fuel Systems |
> But when I rebuild the airplane, will be trying my hand at building an
aluminum tank and mounting it in the upper area as John does with his MKIII.
Ought to be able to get at least 12 gallons in the FSII, and have storage
space underneath it. If it works out, will have these tanks for sale.
>
> Richard Pike
Richard/Gang:
We ended up with an 18 gal aluminum fuel tank in my original Firestar.
That was our first aluminum tank. Didn't slosh it. It developed a weep in
the my inaccessible place to try and put a band aid on.
Sloshed the mkIII tank and it has never leaked a drop.
john h
mkIII
Nellis AFB, Nevada
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake Problem |
> My Matco brake documentation says to use 5606 fluid, not ATF fluid. Not
> sure what kind of seals and o-rings are in Matco brakes nor if the they
> are compatible with ATF. I use 5606 per Matco's spec.
>
> Thom Riddle
Thom/Gang:
Have used ATF with MATCO brakes since day one, 1992. Since that time have
gone through three different sets of brakes. Each set an improvement on the
previous set. In fact, I'm still using the same quart of ATF I bought for
my new Hegar brakes I installed on the FS in 1989. Works great for me.
However, if MATCO says 5606 for current model brakes, I'd go with that.
john h
mkIII
Las Vegas, Nevada
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| Subject: | Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta |
I just got a call from a guy in a North Atlanta, GA suburb
(Roswell, GA) who has a Kolb Ultrastar in apparently nice
shape as it was hanging in someones hangar for ten or
so years before he recently got it
There is a Cuyuna engine on it but it has no crankshaft
and who knows what else.
I am attaching photos in case anyone is interested.
He was thinking of asking $1500 and wanting my advice.
The paint and covering seems to be in real good condition
( judging from the attached photos and his comments )
I have not actually seen the plane.
I dont really have an idea as to a price without
an engine but anyone who is interested can call
him. Here is is name and number
This plane should have the folding wings as I asked
him to look at the wing connections and he said
there were some swivel attach dohickeys.
Jim Cook
(770)365-9645
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake Problem |
My Matco brake documentation says to use 5606 fluid, not ATF fluid. Not sure
what kind of seals and o-rings are in Matco brakes nor if the they are
compatible with ATF. I use 5606 per Matco's spec.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The matco paperwork says "o-ring BUNA N " I have only used what is
specified.. not sure if it will be compatible with atf or not.
Boyd Young
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| Subject: | lawsuits/liability/etc |
My wife and I long ago arranged for a million dollar "umbrella policy" to c
over any possible lawsuits in this letigious society of ours. This liabili
ty coverage can be had for a few hundred dollars per year. In the advent o
f a suit against you=2C it's the insurance companies lawyers that will defe
nd their loss of capital rather vigorously=2C allowing you to contemplate m
ore important things....like your navel. Jim.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Sunday flight and grass strip landing |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTrc1j87khs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ilhWIJEjiA
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation |
via pick up tubes
Dear Kolbers,
I wanted to share my experience of a forced landing that I had last weekend
.
I took my Firestar-2 for some take off and landing practice and some flight
around the around the valley. I had gone through a complete preflight, run
up, full tanks of fuel and had three takeoffs and Landing in the pattern.
On my fourth take off I climbed to pattern altitude and as I was turning cr
osswind, I felt a bump and pretty much thought that it was a Thermal below
my wing and continued turning down wind. After my turn, the RPM dropped sud
denly from 6200 to 3200 and a chill ran through my spine. I immediately rea
lized that the engine is going to quit! It ran rough and the RPM was oscill
ating up and down. I wanted the prop to keep spinning and not quit, so I im
mediately got my throttle to idle 2300 RPM and just forced the nose down an
d increased airspeed to 68MPH. I made a quick and short turn to base and th
en final and set myself up for landing. When the prop was spinning with min
imum forward thrust, it felt as If I have thrown a drogue chute out.
I came in nice and made a good three point landing and there was enough po
wer to get me to the taxiway.
I went through a RPM check after parking and as soon as I increased the thr
ottle, I engine completely quit and the prop stood still.
=C2-
I started to trouble shoot and these were my observations:
=C2-
There was no fuel present between the tank pickups to the Diaphragm fuel pu
mp to the carburetor.
The carburetor bowls had almost run dry
=C2-
The was a fuel starvation and hence the engine quit. I started tracing the
fault and had the following possibilities =93 Failure of the fuel pum
p, or failure of the Primer bulb (Check valves) or after discussion with my
friend Roger; it could be an air leak in the line.
=C2-
I replaced my primer bulb with a new marine one, but it did not help. When
I started to pump the primer bulb, it was not pushing the fuel up to the fu
el pump. On further trace, I found that one of the pick up tubes in one of
the tanks had given way.
=C2-
The problem:
I have two fuel tanks (5 gallons) each. I had modified my pick up, such tha
t I passed a short piece of urethane tubing attached to the fitting and the
n inserted a metal pick up tube that extended right to the bottom of the ta
nk and had the entire arrangement safety wired. The blue urethane fuel line
being in continuous contact with fuel, became soft and gave way with time
(2 months only) and the metal pick up dropped to the bottom of the tank in
flight. Since I have tee,ed the two pickups from both the tanks, the failed
pick up started to draw in air and stopped fuel flow, resulting in fuel st
arvation.
=C2-
The improvement:
I modified and reinforced the metal pick by running the =C2=BC=9D ure
thane tube right over it to the end of the tank such that it will never fai
l and provided safety wiring adequately.
=C2-
I also provided a parallel bypass line to the primer bulb with an in line s
hut off valve that I will switch off during priming and start up and turn o
n after start up to bypass the primer bulb. This helps incase the primer bu
lb check valves fail and ensures that there is a constant flow of fuel to t
he engine. It is also recommended in the CPS article. I also ordered for a
new fuel pump even if I have just 60 hours on it. The rebuild time is 100 h
ours per Rotax.
=C2-
My learning=99s that may be helpful to some of you:
I have limited time on the Kolb (35-40 hrs) and am a novice on this airplan
e, but wanted to share the following:
=C2-
A Kolb no doubt climbs like a rocket, but also falls like a rock with out a
ny power. It has a lot of drag and my FS-2 sinks at almost 800 feet/minute.
Keep that altitude for its safety in every way. You get that critical time
to make a decision and go for it.
PractisePractisePractise It helps a lot for prac
ticing those no power landings. In my case I had never practiced a power of
f landing on the Kolb, which I plan to do from now on, but my somehow my pr
ivate pilot training that I had undergone was put to practical test :-)) an
d it helped!
During your prefight, if the primer bulb does not become hard, then you can
be=C2-pretty sure that there is an air leak in the system. I used to alw
ays feel that=C2-=C2-there is nothing significant between the tank and
the primer bulb to the fuel=C2-
pump, but was caught by surprise and understood the flow much better
If you have pick up tubes in your tanks, make it a part of your checklist t
o verify=C2-that it=99s in good shape and will not fail.
=C2-
Thanks for reading through my experience and hope it helps some of you.
=C2-
best regards,
Mahesh Iyer
Phoenix, Oregon
Kolb Firestar 2 =93 Powered by a Rotax 503 DCDI and driven by a three
blade IVO prop
The joy of Flight Nothing comes closer, it=99s a ro
mance for life!=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Cheap hanger ideas |
Thanks for the ideas guys... I especially like the idea of using perlings.
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Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation |
miyer2u(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Dear Kolbers,
> I wanted to share my experience of a forced landing that I had last weekend
Did you mean to attach something (a document or link)? If so, it isn't showing.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation |
via pick up tubes
Brother Iyer:
My congratulations on getting your airplane and your fanny back on the
deck without damage to either... well done.
You also have my unabashed admiration for your exceptionally concise,
comprehensive and well organized report of the event, it's cause, and
what you did about it. IMHO Reports like yours are what makes this
List worthwhile...
bashless beauford
FF-076
Brandon FL
(Mighty Airport Manatee - 48X- is under Presidental TFR tomorrow...the
AF One is landing in the area... sure hope the boys don't make a
mistake... gonna be some terrible ruts in the 48X runway if they get
confused....might take a roller to fix...)
b.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mahesh Iyer
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel
starvation via pick up tubes
Dear Kolbers,
I wanted to share my experience of a forced landing that I had
last weekend.
I took my Firestar-2 for some take off and landing practice
and some flight around the around the valley. I had gone through a
complete preflight, run up, full tanks of fuel and had three takeoffs
and Landing in the pattern. On my fourth take off I climbed to pattern
altitude and as I was turning crosswind, I felt a bump and pretty much
thought that it was a Thermal below my wing and continued turning down
wind. After my turn, the RPM dropped suddenly from 6200 to 3200 and a
chill ran through my spine. I immediately realized that the engine is
going to quit! It ran rough and the RPM was oscillating up and down. I
wanted the prop to keep spinning and not quit, so I immediately got my
throttle to idle 2300 RPM and just forced the nose down and increased
airspeed to 68MPH. I made a quick and short turn to base and then
final and set myself up for landing. When the prop was spinning with
minimum forward thrust, it felt as If I have thrown a drogue chute
out. I came in nice and made a good three point landing and there was
enough power to get me to the taxiway.
I went through a RPM check after parking and as soon as I
increased the throttle, I engine completely quit and the prop stood
still.
I started to trouble shoot and these were my observations:
1.. There was no fuel present between the tank pickups to
the Diaphragm fuel pump to the carburetor.
2.. The carburetor bowls had almost run dry
The was a fuel starvation and hence the engine quit. I started
tracing the fault and had the following possibilities Failure of the
fuel pump, or failure of the Primer bulb (Check valves) or after
discussion with my friend Roger; it could be an air leak in the line.
I replaced my primer bulb with a new marine one, but it did
not help. When I started to pump the primer bulb, it was not pushing
the fuel up to the fuel pump. On further trace, I found that one of
the pick up tubes in one of the tanks had given way.
The problem:
I have two fuel tanks (5 gallons) each. I had modified my pick
up, such that I passed a short piece of urethane tubing attached to
the fitting and then inserted a metal pick up tube that extended right
to the bottom of the tank and had the entire arrangement safety wired.
The blue urethane fuel line being in continuous contact with fuel,
became soft and gave way with time (2 months only) and the metal pick
up dropped to the bottom of the tank in flight. Since I have tee,ed
the two pickups from both the tanks, the failed pick up started to
draw in air and stopped fuel flow, resulting in fuel starvation.
The improvement:
I modified and reinforced the metal pick by running the
urethane tube right over it to the end of the tank such that it will
never fail and provided safety wiring adequately.
I also provided a parallel bypass line to the primer bulb with
an in line shut off valve that I will switch off during priming and
start up and turn on after start up to bypass the primer bulb. This
helps incase the primer bulb check valves fail and ensures that there
is a constant flow of fuel to the engine. It is also recommended in
the CPS article. I also ordered for a new fuel pump even if I have
just 60 hours on it. The rebuild time is 100 hours per Rotax.
My learnings that may be helpful to some of you:
I have limited time on the Kolb (35-40 hrs) and am a novice on
this airplane, but wanted to share the following:
1.. A Kolb no doubt climbs like a rocket, but also falls
like a rock with out any power. It has a lot of drag and my FS-2 sinks
at almost 800 feet/minute. Keep that altitude for its safety in every
way. You get that critical time to make a decision and go for it.
2.. PractisePractisePractise It helps a lot for
practicing those no power landings. In my case I had never practiced a
power off landing on the Kolb, which I plan to do from now on, but my
somehow my private pilot training that I had undergone was put to
practical test :-)) and it helped!
3.. During your prefight, if the primer bulb does not become
hard, then you can be pretty sure that there is an air leak in the
system. I used to always feel that there is nothing significant
between the tank and the primer bulb to the fuel
pump, but was caught by surprise and understood the flow
much better
4.. If you have pick up tubes in your tanks, make it a part
of your checklist to verify that its in good shape and will not fail.
Thanks for reading through my experience and hope it helps
some of you.
best regards,
Mahesh Iyer
Phoenix, Oregon
Kolb Firestar 2 Powered by a Rotax 503 DCDI and driven by a
three blade IVO prop
The joy of Flight Nothing comes closer, its a romance for
life!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation |
via pick up tubes
Mahesh/Gang:
Aha! You are Roger's friend. Excellent! I have heard a lot of good
things about you from Roger.
Glad you did a good forced landing.
Good luck with your FS and fly safely.
john h
mkIII
Nellis AFB, Nevada
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starvation via pick up tubes
Mahesh Iyer
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta |
Put that in an envelope and send it my way I would spend 1500 to fly one
around the neiborhood
Ellery in Maine
Mk3C N213
582 Blue head E-Box
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta
I just got a call from a guy in a North Atlanta, GA suburb
Roswell, GA) who has a Kolb Ultrastar in apparently nice
hape as it was hanging in someones hangar for ten or
o years before he recently got it
here is a Cuyuna engine on it but it has no crankshaft
nd who knows what else.
I am attaching photos in case anyone is interested.
e was thinking of asking $1500 and wanting my advice.
The paint and covering seems to be in real good condition
judging from the attached photos and his comments )
have not actually seen the plane.
dont really have an idea as to a price without
n engine but anyone who is interested can call
im. Here is is name and number
This plane should have the folding wings as I asked
im to look at the wing connections and he said
here were some swivel attach dohickeys.
Jim Cook
770)365-9645
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta |
- Ellery- The man's name is at the bottom of the message.- The name is
Jim Cook, and the number is 1-770-365-9645.- The message says no engine,
but the photos show an engine without a prop.
-
do not archive
-------------------------
----------------- Bill Sullivan
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----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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----------------- FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta |
I have a JLO rockwell 340 which may have a crank and rods for the
cuyuna, you would have to check with ZDE to be sure. If interested
contact me off list.
Dan Walter
Palmyra, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta
Put that in an envelope and send it my way I would spend 1500 to fly
one around the neiborhood
Ellery in Maine
Mk3C N213
582 Blue head E-Box
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net>
To: KolbUltrastar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Ultrastar sale in North Atlanta
I just got a call from a guy in a North Atlanta, GA suburb
(Roswell, GA) who has a Kolb Ultrastar in apparently nice
shape as it was hanging in someones hangar for ten or
so years before he recently got it
There is a Cuyuna engine on it but it has no crankshaft
and who knows what else.
I am attaching photos in case anyone is interested.
He was thinking of asking $1500 and wanting my advice.
The paint and covering seems to be in real good condition
( judging from the attached photos and his comments )
I have not actually seen the plane.
I dont really have an idea as to a price without
an engine but anyone who is interested can call
him. Here is is name and number
This plane should have the folding wings as I asked
him to look at the wing connections and he said
there were some swivel attach dohickeys.
Jim Cook
(770)365-9645
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| Subject: | Re: Sunday flight and grass strip landing |
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTrc1j87khs
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ilhWIJEjiA
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
Cristal/Gang:
I especially like the first video of you landing and taking off the grass
strip. That is my kind of flying.
Been on the road 8 weeks today. Watching your video, I could feel Miss
P'fer tugging at my heart strings. Think I miss flying her. Been a while.
john h
mkIII
Nellis AFB, Nevada
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| Subject: | Re: Sunday flight and grass strip landing |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Cristal/Gang:
>
> I especially like the first video of you landing and taking off the grass
> strip. That is my kind of flying.
>
> Been on the road 8 weeks today. Watching your video, I could feel Miss
> P'fer tugging at my heart strings. Think I miss flying her. Been a while.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Nellis AFB, Nevada
Thanks John. It was very exciting.
Poor Miss P'fer! She is being so neglected. Next time you leave her for so long,
bring her over here so I can "plane" sit...keep her company, give her exercise,
feed her ethanol gas or 100LL whichever she prefers. :)
Oh ya, and keep the rats from chewing up her seat belts! Little devils! [Evil
or Very Mad]
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | UltraStar gap seal |
I thought I would share my wing center section gap seal experience.
I've heard reports ranging from "it flies just the same without it" to "it
flies awful without it". The previous owner of my plane said the former,
though he had little fixed wing flying experience. I made one when I
bought the plane, from heavy clear vinyl velcroed on, and never flew
without it, until tonight.
I just finished installing a new strobe light on the boom tube, just above
the rear wing attach points. It interfered with the gap seal, but I've
always intended to try flying the plane without it, and as it was a calm
evening and I was running out of time, I decided to fly without it.
Never again! The takeoff roll was long, and the elevator seemed strangely
ineffective. I should have aborted right there, but I took off
anyway. Climb performance was much worse. Normally I climb at about 450
fpm; without the gap seal the best I could do was 300 fpm and that at a
much higher airspeed than normal, so it was a long flat climb before I
could turn crosswind over the hill that's under the traffic pattern. Took
more power than normal to fly level, too, and the stick still felt very
wishy washy. I flew a fast steep approach and got it down OK.
I then trimmed the gap seal around the strobe as I should have done in the
first place, put it on, and took off again. This time the plane flew like
it's supposed to fly, and I enjoyed a beautiful sunset flight.
-Dana
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Kolbers, has anyone experienced engine by-product smell, especially
in a MkIII?
This fall, after a nearly two hour flight, I noticed that my
respiratory system had retained what
smelled like an old oil sump. I don't see any visible evidence or
unusual oil consumption.
Thinking it may have been the location of my vent exit I rerouted it
to the aft of the engine near
a back mount. It was previously behind the top mounted radiator with
possible
migration down through the center section. I flew it for a short ride
this evening but not
long enough for any conclusive revelations.
There is the possibility of airflow reversal during taxi.
It gets parked for the winter tomorrow (short hop to a freebie steel
barn)
????
BB
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar gap seal |
- Dana- Thanks for the timely and informative letter.- I am about to ma
ke the gap seal for my FS, and was wondering just how effective they were.
- I was going to make it out of aluminum, and just had a blow-out on the
waterbed matress.- The old mattress supplied enough thick, tough vinyl fo
r a couple of seals, so I will try both.- The mattress vinyl is the right
color, too.
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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----------------------- FS 44
7
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake Problem |
brad(at)mykcwireless.com wrote:
>
>
> One thing that's unusual is that the pistons are
> really stiff on the master cylinders, and hardly have any travel. It's
> really hard to push them down, even with a hand, and I know that's not
> normal.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
I can almost assure you that this is part of your problem. If the pistons are
not moving fairly easily inside the calipers, you will get very little braking
power. I have had this several times on various braking systems, and it always
has resulted in very poor braking power. Check for corrosion around the rubber
ring inside the caliper, it can cause the rubber to be so tight against the
piston that it will hardly move. Also deformed piston can cause this, but
corrosion is much more common.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation |
via pick up tubes
If you use the blue tubing, get the stuff made by Bing sold by
Aircraft Spruce. It will have BING printed on it. The other
unlabeled blue stuff gets hard and becomes brittle.
I use a metal pickup for my main fuel line - use the Bing fuel line
for connection from the top of the pick up and the rest of the fuel system.
jerb
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