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1. 01:13 AM - Re: Matco Brake Problem (John Bickham)
2. 01:23 AM - Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (John Bickham)
3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
4. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: gravity feed fuel system (John Hauck)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (John Hauck)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: gravity feed fuel system (John Hauck)
7. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (John Hauck)
8. 09:35 AM - fuel system (mark.shimei)
9. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: gravity feed fuel system (Dana Hague)
10. 10:40 AM - Re: fuel system (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 10:56 AM - Re: gravity feed fuel system (JetPilot)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up (russ kinne)
13. 11:22 AM - Re: fuel system debate (JetPilot)
14. 01:08 PM - "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Eugene Zimmerman)
15. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up (Jack B. Hart)
16. 02:24 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (russ kinne)
17. 02:49 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Larry Cottrell)
18. 02:57 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Robert Laird)
19. 03:13 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Herb)
20. 03:22 PM - Re: fuel system debate (JetPilot)
21. 03:24 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (JetPilot)
22. 04:00 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Charlie England)
23. 04:45 PM - Rules of Posting, Double Standards, and Hypocrisy ... (JetPilot)
24. 04:53 PM - Re: Poly-Fiber Reducer substitute?- Cutting Fabric (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
25. 04:53 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Dana Hague)
26. 07:14 PM - To Much Drama.... (ces308)
27. 08:11 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (robert bean)
28. 08:17 PM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake Problem |
Brad,
Sorry for the late reply.
I don't know if this would help but I'll offer.
I have a set of old Matco brakes, axles, & hubs. I replaced them with the larger
axles and brakes when I upgraded my landing gear. I think I have the same
set you are referring to.
If you need them for parts, I'd send them your way. Need to get them out of shop.
Fair price guarantee!
E-mail direct if interested.
Do not archive
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation |
Enjoyed that George!
You made some excellent points.
Sure miss your company.
Any chance of you joining us 1st weekend in December at Nauga Field? Need the
rain to quit!
Do not archive
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
Jerb
I have had real good service with a Schumacher Model SE-1562A battery
maintainer. I use cheep Wal-Mart and Meijer utility batteries. I get a small
12 Amp battery and use it to start my 2180cc VW engine (most would consider
this extreme service). These batteries need to be charged to 90-100% or the
engine will not start. I keep the battery on the maintainer 365 days a year.
It comes with a quick connect that gets permanently connected to the
battery. I normally get three-fours years of service before I spend $25
large or so for a new battery. I notice even after flying when I connect the
maintainer it will go to charge for a few minutes to bring it up to full
charge (there is a short period of low RPM just before shut down where the
battery discharges a bit). Before I started using the maintainer I would
have to replace the battery every spring.
I have never used the Harbor Freight float charges on a small battery but I
have three of these. I put two on my boat and car in Florida for the summer
and my farm tractor in Michigan in the winter. I had such good service with
the Schumacher unit I just had to try the Harbor Freight (HF) units and at
$5-$10 each it seemed worth a try. It is too soon to really say if I will
get the same service. I have had the HF float charger on the boat battery
for four years. After two years the boat battery died but it was 12 years
old so? This will be the second summer on the new battery. I think it will
also be three summers on the Florida car battery.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up
>
> What type of booster are you using to keep your battery up. I've heard
> from some people that ones Harbor Freight sell will do your battery in
> after a short time. Same I told the ones that Batteries Plus sell are
> better. I have got the foggiest idea which is better. Any one got any
> factual info on this subject why one is good and the other is bad?
> jerb
>
> At 03:28 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>At 10:02 AM 10/29/09 -0700, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Jack,
>> >
>> >>From this post it looks like you now have electric start on your
>> >>Firefly.
>>What size battery is it taking to start your new
>>engine?
>> >
>>
>>Scott,
>>
>>I used an UltraStart-Red battery for starting the Victor 1+. It is a
>>little
>>expensive. The first one lasted 468 flights from March 30, 2002 to July
>>4,
>>2008. I am on the second battery, and it is not doing well. After 52
>>flights the battery will not hold a charge well. I keep a booster on the
>>battery to keep it fully charged in the hangar.
>>
>>This battery can be purchased at Aircraft Spruce for about $90.
>>
>>How it was mounted can be seen at:
>>
>>http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly142.html
>>
>>Jack B. Hart FF004
>>Winchester, IN
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gravity feed fuel system |
>>Dana's other configuration idea, which is to mount the main fuel tank on
a
>>Kolb above the level of the engine is also just as hazardous, draggy, and
>>not practical in an aircraft where the engine is the highest part of the
>>plane.
>
> Obviously you didn't bother to read my entire message. I fly an
> UltraStar,
>
> -Dana
Dana/Gang:
In the beginning the Ultrastar had two Azusa go kart fuel tanks of 1.75 gal
each for a grand total of 3.5 gal. Was just enough fuel to get me in
trouble in 1984.
The area above the engine mount was ideal for a third 1.75 gal tank, which I
ordered from Little Mike at Kolb and promptly mounted, using Adel clamps and
a couple aluminum tubes. Now I had 5.25 gal total. The top tank was my
reserve tank. When the fuel in the bottom two tank got low enough for the
contents of the reserve tank, I opened a valve at my right hand and drained
the fuel.
There was no additional drag created by addition of the third tank. The
pilot in the Ultrastar completely mask the engine and the reserve fuel tank.
This system worked like a charm, was safe, and never had a n on board fire,
although I had two serious accidents with the Ultrastar.
john h
mkIII
Death Valley, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel |
starvation
>> I placed a squeeze bulb such that it pressurizes the fuel tank and
>>forces the fuel out and through the pump to the bowl...all I have to
>>do is place my finger over the tank vent hole and squeeze... no in
>>line squeeze bulb or bypass to worry about...Herb
>>
>>
>
> Herb,
>
> Thank you for an elegantly simple solution.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
Good Morning Gang:
Something to consider.
Back in my two stroke days, I have prevented a total engine failure by being
able to continue to pump fuel to the carb when the pulse pump when belly up.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: gravity feed fuel system |
>>Dana's other configuration idea, which is to mount the main fuel tank on
a
>>Kolb above the level of the engine is also just as hazardous, draggy, and
>>not practical in an aircraft where the engine is the highest part of the
>>plane.
>
> Obviously you didn't bother to read my entire message. I fly an
> UltraStar,
>
> -Dana
Dana/Gang:
In the beginning the Ultrastar had two Azusa go kart fuel tanks of 1.75 gal
each for a grand total of 3.5 gal. Was just enough fuel to get me in
trouble in 1984.
The area above the engine mount was ideal for a third 1.75 gal tank, which I
ordered from Little Mike at Kolb and promptly mounted, using Adel clamps and
a couple aluminum tubes. Now I had 5.25 gal total. The top tank was my
reserve tank. When the fuel in the bottom two tank got low enough for the
contents of the reserve tank, I opened a valve at my right hand and drained
the fuel.
There was no additional drag created by addition of the third tank. The
pilot in the Ultrastar completely mask the engine and the reserve fuel tank.
This system worked like a charm, was safe, and never had a n on board fire,
although I had two serious accidents with the Ultrastar.
john h
mkIII
Death Valley, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel |
starvation
> Something to consider.
>
> Back in my two stroke days, I have prevented a total engine failure by
> being able to continue to pump fuel to the carb when the pulse pump when
> belly up.
>
Didn't do a good job of explaining my self.
I was able to continue flying with power by pumping the squeeze bulb to get
fuel to the engine.
john h
mkIII
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I use the fuel system(almost) everyone seems to avoid......metal feed
line
from top of the tank to the bottom(no holes on bottom of tank) clear
fuel
line,squeze bulb,plastic fuel filter(like Johns) and a rectangle pulse
pump.
Had this on a Phantom for 7 years and almost 300hrs(tank and engine 4'
apart
vertically) did my share of loops and rolls and NEVER HAD A FUEL
PROBLEM.Took tank out occasionally to remove sediment and what little
water
might have gotten in there,Mr. Funnel works well.Changed fuel lines
every 2
yrs or so,when they got opaque or started to get hard.
Plane was 103 compliant.No electric start,minimal instruments,no
brakes.
My Ultrastar is set up the same way,also 103 compliant.60 hrs since may
this
year.I think John H has more ; )
Mark in Florida.......flame suit on!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: gravity feed fuel system |
At 11:45 AM 10/30/2009, John Hauck wrote:
>In the beginning the Ultrastar had two Azusa go kart fuel tanks of 1.75
>gal each for a grand total of 3.5 gal. Was just enough fuel to get me in
>trouble in 1984.
>
>The area above the engine mount was ideal for a third 1.75 gal tank, which
>I ordered from Little Mike at Kolb and promptly mounted, using Adel clamps
>and a couple aluminum tubes. Now I had 5.25 gal total. The top tank was
>my reserve tank. When the fuel in the bottom two tank got low enough for
>the contents of the reserve tank, I opened a valve at my right hand and
>drained the fuel.
Exactly what I have, except my reserve tank is 1.5 gallons mounted behind
the seat. Obviously gravity is enough to feed fuel to the lower tank far
faster than the engine draws it; I'm just concerned with how fast gravity
will push it past the float needle... I'll have to check; there's probably
a spec for the required height when using the gravity flow needle.
My interest in a 5 gallon tank is twofold: Reliability (no fuel pump), and
the space currently occupied by the main tanks can be used as a small
storage area.
-Dana
--
Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?
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MessageMark
It is too bad we feel that we will get blasted for sharing ideas. My
first airplane, a Weedhopper that I built also, had the same fuel
system. I never had any fuel system problems but I did have many others.
If you have to have a top of the tank feed system I think the metal tube
is a good idea. It isn't as likely to be hurt by the fuel.
When I flew certified GA airplanes they all had bottom feed tanks with
finger strainers, gascolators and drain valves. Low wing airplanes also
had boost pumps because the tanks were low also. By trial and error
certified GA airplanes evolved to be safer using these and many other
standard systems. Yes aerobatic airplanes use top feed tanks with flop
tube pick ups but is a compromise to keep from sucking air when
inverted.
There is nothing wrong with your fuel system in fact it is a improvement
over systems some people have invented. I just feel that where possible
we should try to try to take advantage of the lessons learned in the
evolution of aircraft design. There are certainly reasons such as cost
and aircraft configuration where you may want to deviate from these
proven designs be aware changes are a compromise.
The argument that bottom tanks using the rubber bushing system might
leak is a concern but properly done most find them leak free. The down
side of the the top feed tanks is that they have more potential (most
never do but....) of a problem that would cause a forced landing.
Weighed against a bottom feed leak that can be detected and fixed on the
ground I would think the safer choice is bottom feed.
My concern is that the chest pounding of some might lead others to
follow a less safe design thinking it is the safest.
The choice is yours.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: mark.shimei
To: Kolb List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel system
I use the fuel system(almost) everyone seems to avoid......metal feed
line from top of the tank to the bottom(no holes on bottom of tank)
clear fuel line,squeze bulb,plastic fuel filter(like Johns) and a
rectangle pulse pump.
Had this on a Phantom for 7 years and almost 300hrs(tank and engine 4'
apart vertically) did my share of loops and rolls and NEVER HAD A FUEL
PROBLEM.Took tank out occasionally to remove sediment and what little
water might have gotten in there,Mr. Funnel works well.Changed fuel
lines every 2 yrs or so,when they got opaque or started to get hard.
Plane was 103 compliant.No electric start,minimal instruments,no
brakes.
My Ultrastar is set up the same way,also 103 compliant.60 hrs since
may this year.I think John H has more ; )
Mark in Florida.......flame suit on!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: gravity feed fuel system |
Dana wrote:
> Your argument would make more sense if so many manufacturers of high wing
> aircraft didn't use gravity feed from tanks above the engine, and no fuel pump.
>
>
Dana,
There is a HUGE difference between mounting a header tank, or even a fuel tank
on the top of a Kolb Ultrastar and expecting it to gravity feed the engine and
using gravity feed from Wing tanks down to the engine on a tractor type airplane
( Cessna etc. ). The vertical distance from the tank to the carb on the setup
you describe is very short, very probably not enough for RELIABLE gravity
feed to the carb. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen, I hope you don't
hurt yourself.
The distance from wing tanks down to the bottom of the engine where the carb is
on a certified airplane is 3 or 4 times the vertical drop, supplying much more
pressure. So no, there is no comparison between what you propose and the system
that Cessna, or other certified airplanes use.
You and and Russ stated " Certified airplanes use gravity feed systems, so ...
" There is really no comparison...
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
Jerb
KITPLANES had a good article by Bob Fritx on chargers, couple months
ago. I can maybe find a copy if you can't get one.
Russ K
do not arfchive
On Oct 30, 2009, at 12:23 AM, jerb wrote:
>
> What type of booster are you using to keep your battery up. I've
> heard from some people that ones Harbor Freight sell will do your
> battery in after a short time. Same I told the ones that Batteries
> Plus sell are better. I have got the foggiest idea which is
> better. Any one got any factual info on this subject why one is
> good and the other is bad?
> jerb
>
> At 03:28 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
>> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>>
>> At 10:02 AM 10/29/09 -0700, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Jack,
>> >
>> >>From this post it looks like you now have electric start on your
>> Firefly.
>> What size battery is it taking to start your new
>> engine?
>> >
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I used an UltraStart-Red battery for starting the Victor 1+. It
>> is a little
>> expensive. The first one lasted 468 flights from March 30, 2002
>> to July 4,
>> 2008. I am on the second battery, and it is not doing well.
>> After 52
>> flights the battery will not hold a charge well. I keep a booster
>> on the
>> battery to keep it fully charged in the hangar.
>>
>> This battery can be purchased at Aircraft Spruce for about $90.
>>
>> How it was mounted can be seen at:
>>
>> http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly142.html
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>> Winchester, IN
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system debate |
rickofudall wrote:
>
>
> Bottom line is, and this isn't directed at you personally Jim, if YOU want the
best system for YOUR airplane sit down with pencil and paper and start with
YOUR ideas and build the system YOU want. Make YOUR best decisions, take pride
in and do YOUR best workmanship, test YOUR system and then, I hope, put up pictures
and descriptions on this forum so we can share in YOUR creativity.
> I continue to learn a lot here from all the builders who graciously share with
everyone. I've never learned a damn thing from the bile spewing of a guy who
never shares anything but his bad manners.
>
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
This is among the WORST aviation advice I have ever heard. It is nothing short
of ridiculous to say YOU will have the best fuel system if YOU sit down and design
it. That is emotional, feel good, but very dangerous advice that will get
people hurt in airplanes. Jim may or my not capable of designing a safe fuel
system, many people here most definitely do not have the knowledge to design
a reliable fuel system . Just because YOU design it does not make it good or
even safe. The correct and best advice here would be for Jim to build his
fuel system to accepted aviation safety and engineering standards, not to sit
down with a pencil...
Accuracy means something to me. It's vital to my sense of values. I've learned
not to trust people who are inaccurate. Every aviator knows that if mechanics
are inaccurate, aircraft crash. If pilots are inaccurate, they get lostsometimes
killed. In my profession, life itself depends on accuracy.
Charles A. Lindbergh
Its clear that Rick Girard is all about " Feel Good posts " and personal politics
rather than giving good aviation advice. I give some of the best, most technically
accurate posts on this list, and Rick constantly tells others to ignore
good information I post, mislead people, and would even put them in danger
in desperate attempt to discredit my posts as he did above. Only a total insecure
looser needs to act this way.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
All in favor say "Aye"
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
At 09:23 PM 10/29/09 -0700, you wrote:
>
>What type of booster are you using to keep your battery up. I've
>heard from some people that ones Harbor Freight sell will do your
>battery in after a short time. Same I told the ones that Batteries
>Plus sell are better. I have got the foggiest idea which is
>better. Any one got any factual info on this subject why one is good
>and the other is bad?
Jerb,
I have been using a little charger that was designed for charging sealed
lead batteries. I purchased it from All Electronics Corp years ago.
Currently they do not sell the one I have. The closest to it can be seen
at:
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/BC-212/12VDC-500MA-2-STAGE-CHARGER-FOR-LEAD-ACID-BATTERIES/-/1.html
I believe what you want is a charger that will top off the battery and then
drop back the charge current to maintain a constant maximum voltage on the
battery. This is called the float so that the battery is maintained at peak
charge but not over charged.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
AYE
On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> All in favor say "Aye"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the most
part a waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject that isn't
going to change anyone's mind or his installation, draws such heated
discussion. I have to admit that I don't understand why some people have
to have everyone agree with him or for that matter the last word, but
the fact remains that some do, better to ignore them totally and let
them believe that they have had the last word, than to continue beating
your head against the wall like a moth at a screen door.
Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will Rogers that
said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him then it was Samuel
Clemens.
Larry, Oregon.
----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act
this way."
AYE
On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> All in favor say "Aye"
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
Yup, Will Rogers... He also said, "=93There are three kinds of men. The ki
nd
that learns by reading. There're a few who learn by observation. The rest o
f
them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.=94 Probably apropos
for light flying.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>wro
te:
> Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the most part
a
> waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject that isn't going to
> change anyone's mind or his installation, draws such heated discussion. I
> have to admit that I don't understand why some people have to have everyo
ne
> agree with him or for that matter the last word, but the fact remains tha
t
> some do, better to ignore them totally and let them believe that they hav
e
> had the last word, than to continue beating your head against the wall li
ke
> a moth at a screen door.
>
> Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will Rogers that
> said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him then it was Samuel
> Clemens.
>
> Larry, Oregon.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this
> way."
>
>
> AYE
>
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Wonder if peeing on an electric fence would be good for "what ails
" ?? :-) Herb
do not archive..
At 04:57 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
>Yup, Will Rogers... He also said, ""There are three kinds of men.
>The kind that learns by reading. There're a few who learn by
>observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
>themselves." Probably apropos for light flying.
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Larry Cottrell
><<mailto:lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
>Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
>
>It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the most
>part a waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject that
>isn't going to change anyone's mind or his installation, draws such
>heated discussion. I have to admit that I don't understand why some
>people have to have everyone agree with him or for that matter the
>last word, but the fact remains that some do, better to ignore them
>totally and let them believe that they have had the last word, than
>to continue beating your head against the wall like a moth at a screen door.
>
>Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will Rogers
>that said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him then it was
>Samuel Clemens.
>
>Larry, Oregon.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:russkinne@mac.com>russ kinne
>To: <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>kolb-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way."
>
><<mailto:russkinne@mac.com>russkinne@mac.com>
>
>AYE
>
>On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> <<mailto:etzimm@gmail.com>etzimm@gmail.com>
> >
> > All in favor say Navigator Photoshare, and
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rickofudall wrote:
>
> I've never learned a damn thing from the bile spewing of a guy who never shares
anything but his bad manners.
>
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
This was posted before my post, yet did anyone say a word about Rick Girard starting
this shit again ? Or did they totally ignore a totally uncalled for post
by Rick, and then took the first opportunity complain about my post ?
Double Standards, Hypocritical Behavior, and the rules only apply when you like
them to. No wonder the Kolb list is all but dead except for a few of the same
old objectionable people...
Everyone is afraid to post on this list. I think it is time that a new friendly
Kolb forum be started, where EVERYONE is subject to the same rules and standards
of posting.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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rickofudall wrote:
>
> I've never learned a damn thing from the bile spewing of a guy who never shares
anything but his bad manners.
>
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
This is what Rick posted posted before my post, yet did anyone say a word about
Rick Girard starting this shit again ? Or did they totally ignore a totally
uncalled for post by Rick, and then took the first opportunity complain about
my post ?
Double Standards, Hypocritical Behavior, and the rules only apply when you like
them to. No wonder the Kolb list is all but dead except for a few of the same
old objectionable people...
Everyone is afraid to post on this list. I think it is time that a new friendly
Kolb forum be started, where EVERYONE is subject to the same rules and standards
of posting.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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What are you guys talking about? It must be a post from someone I never
have to see, because I've filtered their posts to trash. (hint, hint) :-)
Charlie
Herb wrote:
>
> Wonder if peeing on an electric fence would be good for "what ails "
> ?? :-) Herb
>
>
> do not archive..
>
>
> At 04:57 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
>> Yup, Will Rogers... He also said, "There are three kinds of men. The
>> kind that learns by reading. There're a few who learn by observation.
>> The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
>> Probably apropos for light flying.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Larry Cottrell
>> <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com <mailto:lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> > wrote:
>>
>> Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
>>
>> It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the
>> most part a waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject
>> that isn't going to change anyone's mind or his installation,
>> draws such heated discussion. I have to admit that I don't
>> understand why some people have to have everyone agree with him
>> or for that matter the last word, but the fact remains that some
>> do, better to ignore them totally and let them believe that they
>> have had the last word, than to continue beating your head
>> against the wall like a moth at a screen door.
>>
>> Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will
>> Rogers that said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him
>> then it was Samuel Clemens.
>>
>> Larry, Oregon.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: russ kinne <mailto:russkinne@mac.com>
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs
>> to act this way."
>>
>> <russkinne@mac.com <mailto:russkinne@mac.com>>
>>
>> AYE
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>> <etzimm@gmail.com <mailto:etzimm@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > All in favor say Navigator Photoshare, and href="
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ">
>> http://www.matronicp; <http://www.matronicp;%A0%A0%A0/> via
>> the Web href=" http://forums.matronics.com ">
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> _p; generous bsp; href="
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">
>> http://www.matronics.com/c================
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rickofudall wrote:
> I've never learned a damn thing from the bile spewing of a guy who never shares
anything but his bad manners.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
Here is an totally inappropriate and offensive comment posted by Rick Girard in
a thread he was not even involved in. Yet no one said a word about it. When
I responded to this post, the same few instigators very rapidly started complaining
about my post. I have no use for Hypocrites that would apply double standards,
and only want to apply the rules of posting to people they don't like.
These same people that claim to be offended by my response have posted some
of the worst and most vile attacks ever seen on this forum, but raise hell
once I respond.
How many of you would accept this type of behavior ? I certainly will not accept
this behavior. I will never be intimidated by a bunch of hypocrites that only
want to apply the rules to me, while they ignore the objectionable and vile
things said by their friends to instigate these type of problems. These few
people shown a pattern in starting problems the personal attacks, and then claiming
I am to blame for their bad behavior. This has been going on here for
years. Gangs feel real good when they try to bully one person with their numbers,
and we have a little gang here that values gang type behavior over fair
play, and equal enforcement of the rules, they are nothing more than objectionable
losers that don't follow any rules, don't care about right and wrong. Many
people see this behavior, and most just leave the list... Its no wonder this
list is all but dead. This small group is more interested hurting this list
more than they help.. The fact that they would try to steer readers away
from good safe advice about their kolbs just because they don't like who posts
it is nothing short of criminal. They put their own politics and agenda above
your safety. What a nice, ethical, bunch of guys we have here...
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Poly-Fiber Reducer substitute?- Cutting Fabric |
I was just posting that to the guy in Hawaii because he doesn't have all
the items in his area available and he will have to compromise with what
he has on hand to work with
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:49 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poly-Fiber Reducer substitute?- Cutting Fabric
Using pinking shears can be a challenge, I got Fiskars and also the expens
ive ones Aircraft Spruce sells. If you need to cut much get a Fiskars rot
ary cutter and mat. The cutter resembles a rotary pizza cutter available
in straight and jagged edge. Man you can cut Dacron fabric like there is
nothing to it. You can do curves, circles, etc. Great for cutting circl
e pieces for covering the plastic inspection holes reinforcements. A grea
t Christmas gift for your wife if she sews much.
If you need a lot of tape for seams, it's probably just plain easier to bu
y it, get the bias type tape if your going around curves like corners of
control surfaces like rudder or elevator.
jerb
At 03:01 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
Real Lacquer Thinner works well with polyfiber system substitute for the
Poly-Fiber Reducer if you have pinking shears you can cut finishing tapes
out of your fabric you have
Ellery in Maine
Mk3C 582 Blue head
E-Gear box
-----Original Message-----
From: henry.voris <henry_voris@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:49 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Poly-Fiber Reducer substitute?
25oct09
Kolbsters,
For the past year and a half I've been stuck on Oahu. Back on Maui my poor
FireFly has been sitting in a field in the Hawaiian Home Lands. She was fo
lded,
on her trailer and covered with tarps. I placed desiccants in the intake
and
exhaust. But it's still going to be a job to get her airworthy again.
At the top of the list is to repair an 11" tear on the top of the port win
g. I
have never worked with fabric. I tried to buy the Poly Fiber practice kit
because (besides needing to practice), I figured it would have all the sup
plies
needed to patch the wing. All the suppliers (the usual suspects) I contact
ed
required $300+ to cover the HAZ-MAT for the flight to paradise. I called
Poly-Fiber and they said they didn't have a distributor in Hawaii.
Luckily (?), I inherited the remains of the supplies used to cover the pla
ne in
1997...
There is a jar marked Poly-Tack. It's slow moving but crystal clear, so I
figure
a little MEK will loosen it up and it will be OK...
I have a small can of Poly-Brush that feels almost full. Also, there is a
half
full large can of Poly-Spray. Both Poly-Brush and Poly-Spray require
Poly-Reducer... I have no Poly-Fiber Reducer...
Question number 1... Is there a chemical, that I can obtain locally (Hawai
i),
that can be substituted for the Poly-Fiber Reducer?
For color, there are two small cans of Poly-Tone, about a quarter full. I
read
that it may be reduced with MEK... No problem.
There is plenty of Poly-Fiber 1.6 oz. fabric to make the patch. But I have
no
tape.
Question number 2... May I cut my own tape from the 1.6 oz. Poly-Fiber fab
ric?
Any information or hints on this subject would be most appreciated. Thanks
,
ahead of time...
Not finding what you want, living out of catalogs, making do and finding
substitutes is all part of living at the far end of the technical food cha
in...
Aloha
--------
Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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At 06:25 PM 10/30/2009, Charlie England wrote:
>What are you guys talking about? It must be a post from someone I never
>have to see, because I've filtered their posts to trash. (hint, hint) :-)
Thanks, Charlie. I'm going to let "jetpilot" have the last word since it's
so important to him... and add him to the twit filter right now...
-Dana
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Remember when we used to talk AIRPLANES??? That was fun ! I read the post I think
will help me and take or leave everything else....I feel it's up to the person
that is reading the post to decide whether or not it's safe for him/her and
if you have a better idea,simply say "well,this is how I do it..." and let
them decide.Not one of these airplanes are the same and NO ONE THING works for
every one plane.I am sure I would fine things I would not do on my airplane
that any one of you would do on yours.Like John h says...."It's worth what you
just payed for it !" There is no need for anyone to get pissed off at anybody
on this list....a wise man told me once...." If you have nothing nice to say,Keep
you mouth shut !"
chris ambrose
M3X/JABIRU 75.7 hrs +
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cheap prostate treatment?
BB
do not archive
On 30, Oct 2009, at 6:07 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> Wonder if peeing on an electric fence would be good for "what ails
> " ?? :-) Herb
>
>
> do not archive..
>
>
> At 04:57 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
>> Yup, Will Rogers... He also said, "=93There are three kinds of men.
>> The kind that learns by reading. There're a few who learn by
>> observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
>> themselves.=94 Probably apropos for light flying.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Larry Cottrell
<lcottrell@fmtcblue.com
>> > wrote:
>> Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
>>
>> It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the
>> most part a waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject
>> that isn't going to change anyone's mind or his installation, draws
>> such heated discussion. I have to admit that I don't understand why
>> some people have to have everyone agree with him or for that matter
>> the last word, but the fact remains that some do, better to ignore
>> them totally and let them believe that they have had the last word,
>> than to continue beating your head against the wall like a moth at
>> a screen door.
>>
>> Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will Rogers
>> that said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him then it was
>> Samuel Clemens.
>>
>> Larry, Oregon.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: russ kinne
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act
>> this way."
>>
>>
>> AYE
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>> <etzimm@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > All in favor say Navigator Photoshare, and href="
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> "> http://www.matronicp; via the Web href="
http://forums.matronics.com
>> "> http://forums.matronics.com
>> _p; generous bsp; href="
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It would certainly make some things looser. I watched my German Short
Hair dog pee on an electric fence. He was never very bright, before or
after.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act
this way."
cheap prostate treatment?
BB
do not archive
On 30, Oct 2009, at 6:07 PM, Herb wrote:
Wonder if peeing on an electric fence would be good for "what ails "
?? :-) Herb
do not archive..
At 04:57 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
Yup, Will Rogers... He also said, "=93There are three kinds of
men. The kind that learns by reading. There're a few who learn by
observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
themselves.=94 Probably apropos for light flying.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Larry Cottrell
<lcottrell@fmtcblue.com > wrote:
Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the
most part a waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject that
isn't going to change anyone's mind or his installation, draws such
heated discussion. I have to admit that I don't understand why some
people have to have everyone agree with him or for that matter the last
word, but the fact remains that some do, better to ignore them totally
and let them believe that they have had the last word, than to continue
beating your head against the wall like a moth at a screen door.
Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will
Rogers that said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him then it
was Samuel Clemens.
Larry, Oregon.
----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to
act this way."
<russkinne@mac.com>
AYE
On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
<etzimm@gmail.com>
>
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