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1. 12:31 AM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." ()
2. 12:39 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation ()
3. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (kirkds)
4. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (Mike Welch)
5. 05:57 AM - New throttle linkage (Richard Girard)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (Dana Hague)
7. 07:55 AM - Kolb-List (Aaron Gustafson)
8. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (Mike Welch)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: New throttle linkage (Jack B. Hart)
10. 08:17 AM - Re: Kolb-List (planecrazzzy)
11. 08:29 AM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (Thom Riddle)
12. 08:29 AM - Re: Rules of Posting, Double Standards, and Hypocrisy ... (planecrazzzy)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." (planecrazzzy)
14. 08:37 AM - Re: New throttle linkage (william sullivan)
15. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (Dana Hague)
16. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel starvation (Mike Welch)
17. 11:22 AM - Fw: New throttle linkage (zeprep251@aol.com)
18. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up (pj.ladd)
19. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: New throttle linkage (Richard Girard)
20. 04:44 PM - Re: gravity feed, was Re: Engine quits... (Dana Hague)
21. 06:57 PM - Re: gravity feed, was Re: Engine quits... (Mike Welch)
22. 08:12 PM - Re: Kolb-List (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
23. 09:01 PM - Re: gravity feed (Mike Welch)
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| Subject: | Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
Nay current would be all wrong.
Downunder
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act
this way."
Wonder if peeing on an electric fence would be good for "what ails "
?? :-) Herb
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At 04:57 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote:
Yup, Will Rogers... He also said, ""There are three kinds of men.
The kind that learns by reading. There're a few who learn by
observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for
themselves." Probably apropos for light flying.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Larry Cottrell
<lcottrell@fmtcblue.com > wrote:
Just how loose is this guy? How would we know?
It never ceases to amaze me how some subjects, that are for the
most part a waste of breath not to mention bandwidth on a subject that
isn't going to change anyone's mind or his installation, draws such
heated discussion. I have to admit that I don't understand why some
people have to have everyone agree with him or for that matter the last
word, but the fact remains that some do, better to ignore them totally
and let them believe that they have had the last word, than to continue
beating your head against the wall like a moth at a screen door.
Of course I have just violated it, but I believe it was Will
Rogers that said- "Never miss a chance to shut up". If not him then it
was Samuel Clemens.
Larry, Oregon.
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From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Only a total insecure looser needs to
act this way."
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel |
starvation
I too have been there ,in those days I did not have a by pass on the pump
bulb so not sure it would work as well now if needed . sure was happy at the
time that it got me home , was only about 10 miles, also above pretty
sociable ground . Nothing like a manual fuel pump when the other type stop.
Little like the best bilge pump in the world is a scared man with a bucket
...
Downunder
MK111c
503
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel
starvation
>
>
> > Something to consider.
>>
>> Back in my two stroke days, I have prevented a total engine failure by
>> being able to continue to pump fuel to the carb when the pulse pump when
>> belly up.
>>
>
>
> Didn't do a good job of explaining my self.
>
> I was able to continue flying with power by pumping the squeeze bulb to
> get fuel to the engine.
>
> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- Fuel |
starvation
I wonder if a wind driven pump has ever been tried on aircraft? The wind has
been pumping water for a long time.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- |
Fuel starvation
>
> I wonder if a wind driven pump has ever been tried on aircraft? The wind
has
> been pumping water for a long time.
Yes=2C I believe it has. It was built by the guy that made an extra one fo
r the space shuttle. It's my understanding that they both have exactly the
same efficiency.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | New throttle linkage |
The original throttle linkage in Zulu Delta was worn and the throttle cable
needed replacing so I took the opportunity.......That's about how most of
her mods got started. :-)
The goals were to have a system with a simple throttle cable, no clamp
screws, and stops at both ends of the levers travel. Nothing fancy, although
before I finished I put in an adjustment screw the the lever end of the
cable to augment the ones on the top of the carbs. When I set the stops I
was very careful to make sure that the carb slides went to top of the
throttle bore but no further when the lever was full forward, ie slides have
about a 1/4" clearance to the carb top plate so they aren't stressing the
cables.
With about 12 hours on the new linkage I've noticed something that strikes
me as unusual. When I come off full throttle after take off the throttle has
to come back about a quarter of its travel before I get a response from the
engine. Once at this point throttle response is proportional to lever
movement. I have pulled the air cleaner after landing and this area comes
when the slides are about 1/4 to 1/3 down from fully open.
What I know:
All jetting is stock, needles are adjusted to the #2 groove to lean the
midrange.
Plugs are new, insulators are light brown.
All temps are in the green at all times.
Engine never stumbles, coughs, burps or exhibits any odd running at any RPM
or altitude, although the highest I've had her since refit is 5000' AGL.
I only use full throttle from take off to 700' to 1000' all climbs from that
point are done in cruise climb RPM, 5600 to 5800, although I have done
climbs as high as 3000' on full throttle during phase one testing. I've run
up to full throttle after reaching flight test altitudes (3000' AGL) when
doing departure stalls
Carbs are synchronized, the 582 runs like a sewing machine.
There is no binding or obstruction of the throttle cable. Everything works
smoothly.
The new linkage has the same ratios and pivot points as the original.
What I don't know:
The only thing I can think of that I do not know is rotary valve timing, I
just haven't gotten to checking it.
Any ideas. I should add that I don't think of this as a problem, the engine
runs perfectly and has gobs of power. It's just an oddity that's a bit
puzzling.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- |
Fuel starvation
At 07:50 AM 10/31/2009, Mike Welch wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if a wind driven pump has ever been tried on aircraft? The
> wind has
> > been pumping water for a long time.
>
>Yes, I believe it has. It was built by the guy that made an extra one for
>the space shuttle. It's my understanding that they both have exactly the
>same efficiency.
There are wind driven emergency hydraulic pumps on jetliners... ask Capt.
Sullenberger about that one. :)
-Dana
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What has four legs and an arm? A happy pit bull.
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My next order of buisness is to unsubscribe from this list. There I have had
the last word!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- |
Fuel starvation
Dana=2C
Yeah=2C I now. They're wind powered generators=2C for emergency electric
supply=2C travelling at 250+ mph!.
There are also wind driven vacuum horns=2C too. But=2C we weren't talkin
g about these=2C either. We were talking about wind driven fuel pumps.
Think about it. Sitting on the runway=2C zero airspeed=2C all ready for
that long climbout at slow airspeed=2C and expecting an air driven pump to
power your fuel supply. Even Rube Goldfarb woul find it a challenge!!!
You're not suggesting Sully could drop his wind driven generator on the r
amp. and furnish cabin air conditioning=2C are you?
Mike Welch
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> Date: Sat=2C 31 Oct 2009 09:19:19 -0400
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> From: d-m-hague@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- F
uel starvation
>
>
> At 07:50 AM 10/31/2009=2C Mike Welch wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if a wind driven pump has ever been tried on aircraft? The
> > wind has
> > > been pumping water for a long time.
> >
> >Yes=2C I believe it has. It was built by the guy that made an extra one
for
> >the space shuttle. It's my understanding that they both have exactly the
> >same efficiency.
>
> There are wind driven emergency hydraulic pumps on jetliners... ask Capt.
> Sullenberger about that one. :)
>
>
> -Dana
> --
> What has four legs and an arm? A happy pit bull.
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| Subject: | Re: New throttle linkage |
>
............
With about 12 hours on the new linkage I've noticed something that strikes
me as unusual. When I come off full throttle after take off the throttle has
to come back about a quarter of its travel before I get a response from the
engine. Once at this point throttle response is proportional to lever
movement. I have pulled the air cleaner after landing and this area comes
when the slides are about 1/4 to 1/3 down from fully
open.
.........
Any ideas. I should add that I don't think of this as a problem, the engine
runs perfectly and has gobs of power. It's just an oddity that's a bit
puzzling.
>
Rick,
There is nothing unusual about what you are seeing. Most engines are fitted
with oversized carburetors meaning they can pass more air and fuel that the
engine can use to produce its rated hp.
I found this to be true with the Bing 54 on the 447 and the Victor 1+. Both
engines would develop max hp at less than 40% of full slide displacement.
See: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly58d.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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And yet another satisfied customer... The place has gone to the Dogs...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz"
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agustafson(at)chartermi.n wrote:
> My next order of buisness is to unsubscribe from this list. There I have had
> the last word!
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| Subject: | Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
I've just changed the quotation in my signature and thought some might find it
apropos. You can read it below.
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Oh you poor misunderstood Bastard....
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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PS... I knew the lasted "CRAP" revoled around "you"
Your the Plague of the Kolb list.... And if you show up at
the "New" ( Growing ) Kolb Forum...
You "WILL" be Banned....
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We ALL agree that we don't want "YOU" on our list....
( Unless it's a Shit List )
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Just dropping in.... can't stay ( Can't stand you )
Just wanted to remind you that yer a Bonehead...
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.HA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: "Only a total insecure looser needs to act this way." |
Wow... it's amazing how that describes Jet Pilot....
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Well gotta go now.... JP is gonna blow ANOTHER fuse....
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I'll look in in a couple weeks....
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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PS Jaz sez "Bark"....
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| Subject: | Re: New throttle linkage |
- What kind of cable housing is it?- I can't quite identify it from the
photos.-
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-- Bill Sullivan
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---Windsor Locks, Ct.
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---FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- |
Fuel starvation
At 10:56 AM 10/31/2009, Mike Welch wrote:
>...we weren't talking about these, either. We were talking about wind
>driven fuel pumps.
>
> Think about it. Sitting on the runway, zero airspeed, all ready for
> that long climbout at slow airspeed, and expecting an air driven pump to
> power your fuel supply. Even Rube Goldfarb woul find it a challenge!!!
>
> You're not suggesting Sully could drop his wind driven generator on the
> ramp. and furnish cabin air conditioning, are you?
No, I know very well what the ram air turbines are for; I was just making a
comment.
While I'm sure an air powered fuel could be made, I see no reason to
believe that it'd be any better or more reliable than other options.
Despite what my now-flitered naysayer says, I'm still working on learning
just how much height is required for gravity feed with no pump. Gravity
never fails.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quits in Mid flight -Forced Landing- |
Fuel starvation
Dana=2C
I have very little experience with gravity fed carburetor fuel bowls=2C e
xcept for my Cessnas=2C motorcycles=2C lawn mowers=2C and ultralights=2C bu
t it seems to me they are pretty simple.
I don't think the fuel tank has to be all that much higher than the engin
e. I mean=2C look at a typical lawn mower. The fuel tank exit is only an
inch or two above the carb=2C and the mower runs full throttle most of all
the time=2C at least mine does.
I'd think good fuel system components (hoses=2C filters=2C etc) would be
all you need. Assuming good maintenance=2C the rest pretty much takes care
of itself=2C probably the kind of sytem you've got already!
You could do the calculations of determining the "pressure head" of your
UltraStar's fuel system=2C but I doubt you need to. You already know it wo
rks just fine.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | New throttle linkage |
Richard et all,
I have always assumed, probably incorrectly,that the last 1/4" of travel
of the slide in the Bing 54,did nothing more than fatten up the mixture
by hauling the needle out of the jet the maximum amount.I should have che
cked it while it was on the bench to see if it did.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:51 am
Subject: Kolb-List: New throttle linkage
The original throttle linkage in Zulu Delta was worn and the throttle cabl
e needed replacing so I took the opportunity.......That's about how most
of her mods got started. :-)
The goals were to have a system with a simple throttle cable, no clamp scr
ews, and stops at both ends of the levers travel. Nothing fancy, although
before I finished I put in an adjustment screw the the lever end of the
cable to augment the ones on the top of the carbs. When I set the stops
I was very careful to make sure that the carb slides went to top of the
throttle bore but no further when the lever was full forward, ie slides
have about a 1/4" clearance to the carb top plate so they aren't stressin
g the cables.
With about 12 hours on the new linkage I've noticed something that strikes
me as unusual. When I come off full throttle after take off the throttle
has to come back about a quarter of its travel before I get a response fr
om the engine. Once at this point throttle response is proportional to lev
er movement. I have pulled the air cleaner after landing and this area com
es when the slides are about 1/4 to 1/3 down from fully open.
What I know:
All jetting is stock, needles are adjusted to the #2 groove to lean the mi
drange.
Plugs are new, insulators are light brown.
All temps are in the green at all times.
Engine never stumbles, coughs, burps or exhibits any odd running at any RP
M or altitude, although the highest I've had her since refit is 5000' AGL.
I only use full throttle from take off to 700' to 1000' all climbs from th
at point are done in cruise climb RPM, 5600 to 5800, although I have done
climbs as high as 3000' on full throttle during phase one testing. I've
run up to full throttle after reaching flight test altitudes (3000' AGL)
when doing departure stalls
Carbs are synchronized, the 582 runs like a sewing machine.
There is no binding or obstruction of the throttle cable. Everything works
smoothly.
The new linkage has the same ratios and pivot points as the original.
What I don't know:
The only thing I can think of that I do not know is rotary valve timing,
I just haven't gotten to checking it.
Any ideas. I should add that I don't think of this as a problem, the engin
e runs perfectly and has gobs of power. It's just an oddity that's a bit
puzzling.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
What type of booster are you using to keep your battery up. >>
I have no power in my hangar and have used a solar panel fixed to the roof
to keep the battery topped up for a couple of years.
This seemed to have worked even when the weather is poor and I haven`t flown
for some time. For some reason those two seem to be connected.
I aaume something must be working as when I forgot to plug the panel in the
battery was flat the next time I need it.
The panel is a real cheapo, about 12" X 18" and is sold by gadget magazines
to keep your car battery topped up.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: New throttle linkage |
Just the coated stuff they sell at CPS.
Rick Girard
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:32 AM, william sullivan
<williamtsullivan@att.net>wrote:
> What kind of cable housing is it? I can't quite identify it from the
> photos.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gravity feed, was Re: Engine quits... |
At 01:12 PM 10/31/2009, Mike Welch wrote:
> You could do the calculations of determining the "pressure head" of your
> UltraStar's fuel system, but I doubt you need to. You already know it
> works just fine.
It works just fine now, but as I said, there are reasons I'm interested in
changing it.
The head pressure due to gravity is roughly 1/2 psi per foot. My Mikuni
pump puts out 2-4 psi. I know I need the larger float needle, but I don't
know the required height. When I adjusted the Stromberg carburetor in my
Taylorcraft, it gave specs for the fuel height when checking float
function. I've seen nothing like that for the Mikuni.
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Matt/ All
I'm devastated. Aaron Gustafson has been a valued member of this list for
more than 10, maybe 15 years. I sure wish there was some way we could just
talk about Kolb airplanes like we used to.
The membership of this group over the last few years has welcomed a few new
members that flood or monopolize the list with chatter less than helpful to
the overall good. My biggest concern is that there are people out there that
would like help but are leery of asking questions because of a response they
see as normal. I think the biggest change is from a "how can we help" and
"how can we have fun flying our Kolb airplanes" to using the list to, I
don't know maybe just showing off.
Most recently there has been some nasty comments about one member that has
had a checkered history and deservers some of the abuse he gets but it
should NOT be done here.
Sorry! I will get off my soap box. Also, do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM
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> <agustafson@chartermi.net>
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> My next order of buisness is to unsubscribe from this list. There I have
> had the last word!
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> The head pressure due to gravity is roughly 1/2 psi per foot. >
>Dana
Dana=2C
My apologies for not completing my thoughts. I got distracted. (wife bug
ged me)
Since gasoline has a specific gravity of .75=2C the head pressure is redu
ced by the same proportion=2C giving us the following=3B .75 X .433 psi
= .325 psi
Be sure to take this into account in your design. Wouldn't it be easier
to just buy a Mikuni or Facet fuel pump=2C even if you have a gravity feed
system?
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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