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1. 02:48 AM - info (Ted Cowan)
2. 03:40 AM - Re: info (Richard Girard)
3. 03:43 AM - Re: info (Denny Rowe)
4. 04:54 AM - Re: info (Mike Welch)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: Tuft study stills (Thom Riddle)
6. 06:24 AM - Re: Tuft video (robert bean)
7. 06:24 AM - Re: info (zeprep251@aol.com)
8. 06:24 AM - Re: info (robert bean)
9. 07:03 AM - Re: tuft video (william sullivan)
10. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Tuft study stills (Richard Girard)
11. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: tuft video (Richard Girard)
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Tuft video (Richard Girard)
13. 12:24 PM - Re: Tuft video ()
14. 01:53 PM - Re: Tuft video (Richard Girard)
15. 03:28 PM - Re: info (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
16. 06:33 PM - Re: Tuft video (robert bean)
17. 06:48 PM - Re: Tuft video (Larry Cottrell)
18. 09:11 PM - New videos on YouTube ! (ces308)
19. 10:27 PM - Re: New videos on YouTube ! (lucyreddy)
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Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obtain
the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it is
not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I
will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (horse
hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the
geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is
looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like
that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
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Ted, I think this is the company your looking for.
http://jbmindustries.com/index.html
<http://jbmindustries.com/index.html>Rick Girard
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Ted Cowan <tc1917@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obtain
> the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it is
> not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I
> will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (horse
> hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the
> geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is
> looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like
> that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
>
>
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Gary Aman posted that, come on Gary, lets have it. :-)
Denny Rowe
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From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: info
>
> Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obtain
> the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it
> is
> not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I
> will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (horse
> hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the
> geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is
> looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like
> that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
>
>
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> He is
> looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like
> that. Ted Cowan=2C Alabama=2C Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
Ted=2C
Have your friend contact me off-list=2C and I'd be happy to help him out.
I have the
GEO Metro 3 cylinder (now with turbocharger) mounted to the stock Kolb MkII
I engine mount. I've already taken some photos for another guy that made h
is own GEO engine mount (his initials are MS). Have him call me...573-480-
9802.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
(The engine I think you were trying to spell is Hirth. : )
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| Subject: | Re: Tuft study stills |
Rick,
Interesting indeed. At the slower speeds, the only meaningful disturbance seems
to be near the bulkhead/break just aft of the seats. Other than that, the tufts
don't looks so bad and by the time the airflow gets to the prop area it looks
pretty decent.
At the higher speeds, were you descending or flying straight and level?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
- Confuscius
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271338#271338
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That is close to what I expected. The break at the wide spot aft of
the door is a significant source of troubled flow.
The upsweep of the tufts at lower speeds is from air converging to the
empty area above. John H and others
who have that area filled would show a different pattern. Thanks for
the good job.
BB
On 6, Nov 2009, at 2:44 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
>
> Rick Girard
> To archive of not to archive, that is the question
>
>
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Denny,
It's not news any more.JBM is where you go for the good stuff.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200a
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From: Denny Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:42 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info
Gary Aman posted that, come on Gary, lets have it. :-)
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:47 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: info
>
> Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obta
in
> the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but
it
> is
> not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots?
I
> will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (hors
e
> hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on
the
> geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is
> looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like
> that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
>
>
>
>
>
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It only hirth for a little while...
do not archive
On 6, Nov 2009, at 7:49 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
> > He is
> > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or
> something like
> > that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
>
> Ted,
>
> Have your friend contact me off-list, and I'd be happy to help him
> out. I have the
> GEO Metro 3 cylinder (now with turbocharger) mounted to the stock
> Kolb MkIII engine mount. I've already taken some photos for another
> guy that made his own GEO engine mount (his initials are MS). Have
> him call me...573-480-9802.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX
>
> (The engine I think you were trying to spell is Hirth. : )
>
>
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Micros41664/direct/01/ '
> target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
>
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Richard- I noticed that at the higher speeds there seemed to be wrinkling o
f the fabric about a foot in front of where the boom tube comes out.- Is
the fabric loose, or is it an indicator of severe turbulence in that area?
- Does the fabric do that on the other side?
-
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----------------- Bill Sullivan
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----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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----------------- FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Tuft study stills |
All done in level flight.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Interesting indeed. At the slower speeds, the only meaningful disturbance
> seems to be near the bulkhead/break just aft of the seats. Other than that,
> the tufts don't looks so bad and by the time the airflow gets to the prop
> area it looks pretty decent.
>
> At the higher speeds, were you descending or flying straight and level?
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x31
>
> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
> - Confuscius
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271338#271338
>
>
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Fabric is tight. I haven't filmed the other side so I can't say.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM, william sullivan
<williamtsullivan@att.net>wrote:
> Richard- I noticed that at the higher speeds there seemed to be wrinkling
> of the fabric about a foot in front of where the boom tube comes out. Is
> the fabric loose, or is it an indicator of severe turbulence in that area?
> Does the fabric do that on the other side?
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Bob, Coming on winter and the windows have to go back on. I'll shoot another
video and see how it looks then.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:11 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> That is close to what I expected. The break at the wide spot aft of the
> door is a significant source of troubled flow.
> The upsweep of the tufts at lower speeds is from air converging to the
> empty area above. John H and others
> who have that area filled would show a different pattern. Thanks for the
> good job.
> BB
>
> On 6, Nov 2009, at 2:44 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
>
> Rick Girard
> To archive of not to archive, that is the question
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick G/Gang:
We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the windshield where
it joins the center section. Also behind the trailing edge of both doors.
Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain. When the rain
drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them.
A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up on my mkIII,
finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, the fabricator got his
cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built up the inside rather than the outside
of the faring. I flew that trip to Alaska without it.
If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58 used at the
aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper to the tailboom, much
like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal about two or three inches wide,
stood off the fuselage a couple inches, and ran from the top to the bottom
of the fuselage. One of these days, maybe we'll get to that project.
john h
mkIII
Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out.
----- Original Message -----
Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
Rick Girard
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John, I would point out to you that WE did not "KNOW" anything of a sort.
YOU may have had an intuitive insight into the flow around the pod given you
by the raindrop observation, but that is all.
You'll notice there are no tufts on the windows of my plane in the area
where you observed the rain drops, they are on the opaque covered panels. I
could not see those areas in flight. I've seen your airplane and it's
covered similarly to mine. I seriously doubt you can see through those
panels any better than me.
I, too, had an intuitive idea that the area aft of the doors and aft of the
panel joint is an area of stagnated flow. I would not have guessed the area
witnessed by that one lone tuft pointing forward. I would not have guessed
that as I went faster the air would flow up the side rather than back toward
the prop.
Will it do that when I put the windows back on? I don't know.
Will the flow be affected by the prop extension I put on? I don't know.
Will a pressure recovery fairing going all the way up the aft end of the pod
weldment change the flow on the sides? I don't know.
Too many unknowns for me. I intend to find out.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Rick G/Gang:
>
> We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the
> windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the trailing edge
> of both doors.
>
> Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain. When
> the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them.
>
> A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up on my
> mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, the fabricator
> got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built up the inside rather
> than the outside of the faring. I flew that trip to Alaska without it.
>
> If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58 used
> at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper to the
> tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal about two or
> three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple inches, and ran from the
> top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of these days, maybe we'll get to
> that project.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out.
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
>
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
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Mike W I would be interested in having a look at your GEO engine setup if
you have a few extra Pic's of it
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:49 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: info
> He is
> looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like
> that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom
Ted,
Have your friend contact me off-list, and I'd be happy to help him out.
I have the
GEO Metro 3 cylinder (now with turbocharger) mounted to the stock Kolb MkI
II engine mount. I've already taken some photos for another guy that made
his own GEO engine mount (his initials are MS). Have him call me...573-4
80-9802.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
(The engine I think you were trying to spell is Hirth. : )
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Rick, I think what John was referring to would be (or at least what I
would imagine) a slat located vertically just
aft of the door opening to attempt to reconnect the flow. Similar to
those gadgets they used to put on the top end
of station wagons to sweep the dirt off the back window. Maybe there
are some sitting in a junkyard somewhere.
Couldn't be a lot uglier than VGs.
BB
On 6, Nov 2009, at 4:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> John, I would point out to you that WE did not "KNOW" anything of a
> sort. YOU may have had an intuitive insight into the flow around the
> pod given you by the raindrop observation, but that is all.
> You'll notice there are no tufts on the windows of my plane in the
> area where you observed the rain drops, they are on the opaque
> covered panels. I could not see those areas in flight. I've seen
> your airplane and it's covered similarly to mine. I seriously doubt
> you can see through those panels any better than me.
> I, too, had an intuitive idea that the area aft of the doors and aft
> of the panel joint is an area of stagnated flow. I would not have
> guessed the area witnessed by that one lone tuft pointing forward. I
> would not have guessed that as I went faster the air would flow up
> the side rather than back toward the prop.
> Will it do that when I put the windows back on? I don't know.
> Will the flow be affected by the prop extension I put on? I don't
> know.
> Will a pressure recovery fairing going all the way up the aft end of
> the pod weldment change the flow on the sides? I don't know.
> Too many unknowns for me. I intend to find out.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Rick G/Gang:
>
> We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the
> windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the
> trailing edge of both doors.
>
> Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain.
> When the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them.
>
> A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up
> on my mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately,
> the fabricator got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built
> up the inside rather than the outside of the faring. I flew that
> trip to Alaska without it.
>
> If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58
> used at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper
> to the tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal
> about two or three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple
> inches, and ran from the top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of
> these days, maybe we'll get to that project.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out.
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
>
>
> Rick Girard
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I have considered those myself, but haven't gotten around to it. Why not
make a couple out of lexan using wire ties to secure them to the legs
and tubes on the side. Shouldn't be too hard to do. I know that I get
more speed if I leave the plastic stuff ( from Kolb's full enclosure)
off the back of the cage. Since you are experimenting Rick-????
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video
Rick, I think what John was referring to would be (or at least what I
would imagine) a slat located vertically just
aft of the door opening to attempt to reconnect the flow. Similar to
those gadgets they used to put on the top end
of station wagons to sweep the dirt off the back window. Maybe there
are some sitting in a junkyard somewhere.
Couldn't be a lot uglier than VGs.
BB
On 6, Nov 2009, at 4:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
John, I would point out to you that WE did not "KNOW" anything of a
sort. YOU may have had an intuitive insight into the flow around the pod
given you by the raindrop observation, but that is all.
You'll notice there are no tufts on the windows of my plane in the
area where you observed the rain drops, they are on the opaque covered
panels. I could not see those areas in flight. I've seen your airplane
and it's covered similarly to mine. I seriously doubt you can see
through those panels any better than me.
I, too, had an intuitive idea that the area aft of the doors and aft
of the panel joint is an area of stagnated flow. I would not have
guessed the area witnessed by that one lone tuft pointing forward. I
would not have guessed that as I went faster the air would flow up the
side rather than back toward the prop.
Will it do that when I put the windows back on? I don't know.
Will the flow be affected by the prop extension I put on? I don't
know.
Will a pressure recovery fairing going all the way up the aft end of
the pod weldment change the flow on the sides? I don't know.
Too many unknowns for me. I intend to find out.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Rick G/Gang:
We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the
windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the trailing
edge of both doors.
Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain.
When the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them.
A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up
on my mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, the
fabricator got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built up the
inside rather than the outside of the faring. I flew that trip to
Alaska without it.
If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old
OH-58 used at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt
taper to the tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet
metal about two or three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple
inches, and ran from the top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of
these days, maybe we'll get to that project.
john h
mkIII
Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out.
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Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
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| Subject: | New videos on YouTube ! |
hello all....
I was up the last few days and took some video of the flight...if you have nothing
else better to do...take a look !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEoqkC-Zr50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjNE8mQNWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pgnDVw1-C8
enjoy!
chris ambrose
markIII xtra/jab 78+hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: New videos on YouTube ! |
Hello,
I am Lucy Reddy.Thanks for informing about new videos on youtube .From many days
I had not visited youtube because of my tight schedule .I have gone through
two links out of three.The videos were awsome .soon i will go with third one .Thankx
for links.
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