---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/06/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:48 AM - info (Ted Cowan) 2. 03:40 AM - Re: info (Richard Girard) 3. 03:43 AM - Re: info (Denny Rowe) 4. 04:54 AM - Re: info (Mike Welch) 5. 05:56 AM - Re: Tuft study stills (Thom Riddle) 6. 06:24 AM - Re: Tuft video (robert bean) 7. 06:24 AM - Re: info (zeprep251@aol.com) 8. 06:24 AM - Re: info (robert bean) 9. 07:03 AM - Re: tuft video (william sullivan) 10. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Tuft study stills (Richard Girard) 11. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: tuft video (Richard Girard) 12. 07:36 AM - Re: Tuft video (Richard Girard) 13. 12:24 PM - Re: Tuft video () 14. 01:53 PM - Re: Tuft video (Richard Girard) 15. 03:28 PM - Re: info (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 16. 06:33 PM - Re: Tuft video (robert bean) 17. 06:48 PM - Re: Tuft video (Larry Cottrell) 18. 09:11 PM - New videos on YouTube ! (ces308) 19. 10:27 PM - Re: New videos on YouTube ! (lucyreddy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:18 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: info Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obtain the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it is not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (horse hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info From: Richard Girard Ted, I think this is the company your looking for. http://jbmindustries.com/index.html Rick Girard On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Ted Cowan wrote: > > Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obtain > the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it is > not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I > will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (horse > hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the > geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like > that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:12 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info Gary Aman posted that, come on Gary, lets have it. :-) Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Cowan" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: Kolb-List: info > > Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obtain > the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it > is > not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I > will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (horse > hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the > geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like > that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:52:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:56 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: info > He is > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like > that. Ted Cowan=2C Alabama=2C Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom Ted=2C Have your friend contact me off-list=2C and I'd be happy to help him out. I have the GEO Metro 3 cylinder (now with turbocharger) mounted to the stock Kolb MkII I engine mount. I've already taken some photos for another guy that made h is own GEO engine mount (his initials are MS). Have him call me...573-480- 9802. Mike Welch MkIII CX (The engine I think you were trying to spell is Hirth. : ) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tuft study stills From: "Thom Riddle" Rick, Interesting indeed. At the slower speeds, the only meaningful disturbance seems to be near the bulkhead/break just aft of the seats. Other than that, the tufts don't looks so bad and by the time the airflow gets to the prop area it looks pretty decent. At the higher speeds, were you descending or flying straight and level? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confuscius Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271338#271338 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:04 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video That is close to what I expected. The break at the wide spot aft of the door is a significant source of troubled flow. The upsweep of the tufts at lower speeds is from air converging to the empty area above. John H and others who have that area filled would show a different pattern. Thanks for the good job. BB On 6, Nov 2009, at 2:44 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw > > Rick Girard > To archive of not to archive, that is the question > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info From: zeprep251@aol.com Denny, It's not news any more.JBM is where you go for the good stuff. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200a -----Original Message----- From: Denny Rowe Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 6:42 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info Gary Aman posted that, come on Gary, lets have it. :-) Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Cowan" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: Kolb-List: info > > Got a question. Some time ago, some gentleman posted a web site to obta in > the rubber boots for carbs at a substantial discount. I marked it but it > is > not there any more. Can someone tell me where to get the rubber boots? I > will need some for my rotaxs and a friend needs some for his hurse (hors e > hurz hurts herse) engine. Thanks. Also, does anyone have any info on the > geo engine mounted on a Kolb? How about other aircraft? Titan? He is > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like > that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:52:00 ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:11 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info It only hirth for a little while... do not archive On 6, Nov 2009, at 7:49 AM, Mike Welch wrote: > > He is > > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or > something like > > that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom > > Ted, > > Have your friend contact me off-list, and I'd be happy to help him > out. I have the > GEO Metro 3 cylinder (now with turbocharger) mounted to the stock > Kolb MkIII engine mount. I've already taken some photos for another > guy that made his own GEO engine mount (his initials are MS). Have > him call me...573-480-9802. > > Mike Welch > MkIII CX > > (The engine I think you were trying to spell is Hirth. : ) > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Micros41664/direct/01/ ' > target='_new'>Sign up now. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:18 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tuft video Richard- I noticed that at the higher speeds there seemed to be wrinkling o f the fabric about a foot in front of where the boom tube comes out.- Is the fabric loose, or is it an indicator of severe turbulence in that area? - Does the fabric do that on the other side? - ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tuft study stills From: Richard Girard All done in level flight. Rick On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Rick, > > Interesting indeed. At the slower speeds, the only meaningful disturbance > seems to be near the bulkhead/break just aft of the seats. Other than that, > the tufts don't looks so bad and by the time the airflow gets to the prop > area it looks pretty decent. > > At the higher speeds, were you descending or flying straight and level? > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x31 > > I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. > - Confuscius > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271338#271338 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tuft video From: Richard Girard Fabric is tight. I haven't filmed the other side so I can't say. Rick On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM, william sullivan wrote: > Richard- I noticed that at the higher speeds there seemed to be wrinkling > of the fabric about a foot in front of where the boom tube comes out. Is > the fabric loose, or is it an indicator of severe turbulence in that area? > Does the fabric do that on the other side? > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > FS 447 > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video From: Richard Girard Bob, Coming on winter and the windows have to go back on. I'll shoot another video and see how it looks then. Rick On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:11 AM, robert bean wrote: > That is close to what I expected. The break at the wide spot aft of the > door is a significant source of troubled flow. > The upsweep of the tufts at lower speeds is from air converging to the > empty area above. John H and others > who have that area filled would show a different pattern. Thanks for the > good job. > BB > > On 6, Nov 2009, at 2:44 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw > > Rick Girard > To archive of not to archive, that is the question > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:38 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video Rick G/Gang: We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the trailing edge of both doors. Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain. When the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them. A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up on my mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, the fabricator got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built up the inside rather than the outside of the faring. I flew that trip to Alaska without it. If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58 used at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper to the tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal about two or three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple inches, and ran from the top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of these days, maybe we'll get to that project. john h mkIII Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out. ----- Original Message ----- Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video From: Richard Girard John, I would point out to you that WE did not "KNOW" anything of a sort. YOU may have had an intuitive insight into the flow around the pod given you by the raindrop observation, but that is all. You'll notice there are no tufts on the windows of my plane in the area where you observed the rain drops, they are on the opaque covered panels. I could not see those areas in flight. I've seen your airplane and it's covered similarly to mine. I seriously doubt you can see through those panels any better than me. I, too, had an intuitive idea that the area aft of the doors and aft of the panel joint is an area of stagnated flow. I would not have guessed the area witnessed by that one lone tuft pointing forward. I would not have guessed that as I went faster the air would flow up the side rather than back toward the prop. Will it do that when I put the windows back on? I don't know. Will the flow be affected by the prop extension I put on? I don't know. Will a pressure recovery fairing going all the way up the aft end of the pod weldment change the flow on the sides? I don't know. Too many unknowns for me. I intend to find out. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > > Rick G/Gang: > > We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the > windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the trailing edge > of both doors. > > Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain. When > the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them. > > A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up on my > mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, the fabricator > got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built up the inside rather > than the outside of the faring. I flew that trip to Alaska without it. > > If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58 used > at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper to the > tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal about two or > three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple inches, and ran from the > top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of these days, maybe we'll get to > that project. > > john h > mkIII > Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw > > > Rick Girard > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: info From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Mike W I would be interested in having a look at your GEO engine setup if you have a few extra Pic's of it Ellery in Maine do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 7:49 am Subject: RE: Kolb-List: info > He is > looking to change from the hurse to maybe a geo metrol or something like > that. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Kolb Slingshot 912 uls. zoom zoom Ted, Have your friend contact me off-list, and I'd be happy to help him out. I have the GEO Metro 3 cylinder (now with turbocharger) mounted to the stock Kolb MkI II engine mount. I've already taken some photos for another guy that made his own GEO engine mount (his initials are MS). Have him call me...573-4 80-9802. 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Similar to those gadgets they used to put on the top end of station wagons to sweep the dirt off the back window. Maybe there are some sitting in a junkyard somewhere. Couldn't be a lot uglier than VGs. BB On 6, Nov 2009, at 4:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > John, I would point out to you that WE did not "KNOW" anything of a > sort. YOU may have had an intuitive insight into the flow around the > pod given you by the raindrop observation, but that is all. > You'll notice there are no tufts on the windows of my plane in the > area where you observed the rain drops, they are on the opaque > covered panels. I could not see those areas in flight. I've seen > your airplane and it's covered similarly to mine. I seriously doubt > you can see through those panels any better than me. > I, too, had an intuitive idea that the area aft of the doors and aft > of the panel joint is an area of stagnated flow. I would not have > guessed the area witnessed by that one lone tuft pointing forward. I > would not have guessed that as I went faster the air would flow up > the side rather than back toward the prop. > Will it do that when I put the windows back on? I don't know. > Will the flow be affected by the prop extension I put on? I don't > know. > Will a pressure recovery fairing going all the way up the aft end of > the pod weldment change the flow on the sides? I don't know. > Too many unknowns for me. I intend to find out. > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > > Rick G/Gang: > > We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the > windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the > trailing edge of both doors. > > Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain. > When the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them. > > A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up > on my mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, > the fabricator got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built > up the inside rather than the outside of the faring. I flew that > trip to Alaska without it. > > If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58 > used at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper > to the tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal > about two or three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple > inches, and ran from the top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of > these days, maybe we'll get to that project. > > john h > mkIII > Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Okay, here it is. Dancing yarn and more. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw > > > Rick Girard > > > ========== > ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:30 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video I have considered those myself, but haven't gotten around to it. Why not make a couple out of lexan using wire ties to secure them to the legs and tubes on the side. Shouldn't be too hard to do. I know that I get more speed if I leave the plastic stuff ( from Kolb's full enclosure) off the back of the cage. Since you are experimenting Rick-???? Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuft video Rick, I think what John was referring to would be (or at least what I would imagine) a slat located vertically just aft of the door opening to attempt to reconnect the flow. Similar to those gadgets they used to put on the top end of station wagons to sweep the dirt off the back window. Maybe there are some sitting in a junkyard somewhere. Couldn't be a lot uglier than VGs. BB On 6, Nov 2009, at 4:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote: John, I would point out to you that WE did not "KNOW" anything of a sort. YOU may have had an intuitive insight into the flow around the pod given you by the raindrop observation, but that is all. You'll notice there are no tufts on the windows of my plane in the area where you observed the rain drops, they are on the opaque covered panels. I could not see those areas in flight. I've seen your airplane and it's covered similarly to mine. I seriously doubt you can see through those panels any better than me. I, too, had an intuitive idea that the area aft of the doors and aft of the panel joint is an area of stagnated flow. I would not have guessed the area witnessed by that one lone tuft pointing forward. I would not have guessed that as I went faster the air would flow up the side rather than back toward the prop. Will it do that when I put the windows back on? I don't know. Will the flow be affected by the prop extension I put on? I don't know. Will a pressure recovery fairing going all the way up the aft end of the pod weldment change the flow on the sides? I don't know. Too many unknowns for me. I intend to find out. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, wrote: Rick G/Gang: We've known for some time I have dead air at the top center of the windshield where it joins the center section. Also behind the trailing edge of both doors. Was able to ascertain this info without tufting, but flew in rain. When the rain drops stay put, there's not much air moving over them. A fix for the windshield was a fiberglass faring. TNK laid one up on my mkIII, finished it up, and shipped it to me. Unfortunately, the fabricator got his cardinal directions 180 degrees out and built up the inside rather than the outside of the faring. I flew that trip to Alaska without it. If we ever get around to it, we will use a faring like the old OH-58 used at the aft end of the fuselage where it started an abrupt taper to the tailboom, much like the mkIII. It was a band of sheet metal about two or three inches wide, stood off the fuselage a couple inches, and ran from the top to the bottom of the fuselage. One of these days, maybe we'll get to that project. john h mkIII Edwards AFB, CA - A neat place for an aviation buff to hang out. ----- Original Message ----- Okay, here it is. 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From: "ces308" hello all.... I was up the last few days and took some video of the flight...if you have nothing else better to do...take a look ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEoqkC-Zr50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjNE8mQNWA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pgnDVw1-C8 enjoy! chris ambrose markIII xtra/jab 78+hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271452#271452 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New videos on YouTube ! From: "lucyreddy" Hello, I am Lucy Reddy.Thanks for informing about new videos on youtube .From many days I had not visited youtube because of my tight schedule .I have gone through two links out of three.The videos were awsome .soon i will go with third one .Thankx for links. -------- sdram Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271456#271456 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.