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Fri 11/13/09


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     0. 12:15 AM - Some Very Nice Comments...  (Matt Dralle)
     1. 02:18 AM - gravity feed, was Re: Engine quits... (funderp47)
     2. 04:44 AM - Re: "Starved horse" or "Solid"...... (Richard Girard)
     3. 07:23 AM - Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (joepilot503)
     4. 07:31 AM - Re: thinner (Richard Pike)
     5. 09:32 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/12/09 (George Bearden)
     6. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/12/09 (robert bean)
     7. 11:11 AM - Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (Bob)
     8. 03:34 PM - Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (possums)
     9. 04:49 PM - Thinner (George Bearden)
    10. 05:55 PM - Darwin wins again! (possums)
    11. 07:06 PM - Re: Darwin wins again! (Richard Pike)
    12. 07:14 PM - Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (Richard Pike)
    13. 07:19 PM - Anybody see a Kolb there? (HGRAFF@aol.com)
    14. 07:38 PM - Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (joepilot503)
    15. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (Richard Girard)
    16. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (possums)
    17. 08:42 PM - Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
    18. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (possums)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:15:44 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Some Very Nice Comments...
    Dear Listers, I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists ----------- Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List. This is worth every penny! Stephen T. I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers. C.L. Thanks for this List. It's been a great source of encouragement and information. Arden A. Great service! Gerald T. It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some good help from the issues and answers there. Steve T. Been a member of the List for 12 years. Keep up the good work. John H. Great Site! Harry M. Great source of information... Martin H. Thanks for providing this great service! Jeff P. I continue to get and give information through these lists. Ralph C. This is a wonderful resource! Warren H. This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and experience. Michael W. Thanks for making such a good list! Fred D. Thanks for running a great service! Michael F. I really appreciate it. Dan H. Thanks for the great service. Michael L. Thanks for maintaining this great resource. John C. Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators. Jon M. Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums and for the personal help that you have been to me in answering my questions regarding the use of the forums. William B. [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and make my systems better. Ralph C. The Universe is a better place because of you. Eric J.


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    Time: 02:18:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: gravity feed, was Re: Engine quits...
    From: "funderp47" <philfunster@gmail.com>
    I like learning something new every day. Sorry for the cross posting. It seems the poster wanted the information spread. I've never heard any mention of different needle/seat sizes for gravity feed vs. fuel pumps on Bing 54s. Phil > --- In engines-ul2@yahoogroups.com, "whileecoyotee" wrote: > > > > Hi everyone , I hope this info will save someone the time and money that I > > just spent on my carb . In may I purchased my first ultralight ( a lifetime > > dream of mine ) a tierra 1 , It has a old bing 54 carb that was ether over > > flowing or would run out of fuel there was no in between , it was extremely > > sensitive to the smallest float adjustment and temp change . > > > > So I ordered the rebuild kit and rebuilt it , no change . > > > > After several phone calls to bing and friends some with 20 + years in > > ultralights and lots of looking on the internet , no definite answer on the > > problem , I had done the float test for 15 min and they passed but could maybe > > be a little heavy , not sure , it was suggested by bing and my friends to get > > the new style floats and bowl , so I did . > > > > New floats and bowl and still cannot adjust floats properly , so more calls , > > in a long questions and answers back and forth conversation with a gentleman at > > Bing he asked me what was the size of the hole in the float needle seat ? it > > should be 1.5 mm with a fuel pump or 2.5 mm without a fuel pump , I said I would > > call him back after taking it apart . > > > > Called him back and told him mine is 4 mm , he stated my carb was off of a > > motorcycle and that all I needed to do was to change out the needle seat and > > that he would even send me instructions on how to do the change with the new > > seat . > > > > Installed the new 1.5 mm seat and it works great ! > > > > A 2.5 mm hole or in my case 4 mm hole will let the fuel pump overpower the > > floats and needle . > > > > So if your floats are sensitive or hard to adjust or wont hold an adjustment > > check the size of the hole in the float needle seat , 1.5 mm is about the size > > of the head of a pin if you don't have any way to measure yours . > > > > Thank You to everyone that helped figure this out and I hope this info helps > > someone !!! > > > > And Thank You to the guy at Bing Carbs. > > > > Thanks Mike and Happy Flying!!!! > > How did you get the seat out ? > > To my knowledge, they are pressed in permanently > > mark > Hi mark , you screw a tap in , lock the tap in a vice , tap on the bottom of the carb and it comes right out , then you tap in the new one !!!! Thanks Mike!!! and Happy Flying!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272647#272647


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    Time: 04:44:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: "Starved horse" or "Solid"......
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Nick, Yes, the starving horse look does have some effect, but is relatively minor. Check out "Theory of Wing Sections" by Abbot and VonDoenhoff from your local library and look at the graphs in the back for any of the old timey airfoils, the 2400, 4400, even the 23000 series. NACA tested them at thicknesses of 2 to 3 percent of chord intervals so a 2415 is 3 percent thicker than a 2412 and so on. On a Mk III wing the chord is 60" +/- so 3 percent is 1.8" The ribs are only about 1/2" taller than the troughs on my Mk III, so lets call it 1 percent. Take a look at the lift coefficient curve for the 2410 and compare it to the 2412 (for the trivia buffs, this is the airfoil section used on the beloved C172, among others). The difference is very small for any of the curves, but let's use the one for a Reynolds number of 3 million. Let's look at the lift coefficient for an angle of attack of 4 degrees. For the 2410 it's about .62, for the 2412 it's about .65 So let's interpolate and just for grins assume there's a 2411 some where and at 4 degrees AOA it's .635 .015 ain't a big number but let's see what it means in actual by golly pounds of lift. When you do the dynamic pressure X lift coeffiecient X wing area (call it 150 sq ft) for 60 mph we get 811 lb. for our 2411, and 830 lb. for the 2412 and a difference of 19 lb. of lift. Of course this doesn't count anything Mr Bernoulli might add back by sucking the cloth upward and back towards the idealized shape of the 2412. If you run the numbers for a good climb at 50 mph and an AOA of 8 degrees Cl is 1.06 for the 2410 and 1.1 for the 2412. Split the difference again and we get 1.08 for the 2411. The 2411 produces 958 lb. and the 2412, 976 lb. for 18 lb. of lift difference. Note: for anyone backtracking the numbers I used .0022 for rho, not .00237 because, while I fly at 59 degrees F getting down to sea level means I have to fly 1270 feet underground and it's too dark to see well down there. Rick Girard On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net> wrote: > Hello Kolbsters, > > > I am not an engineer of any type, but it is hard for me to believe that if > the numbers were run that the solid wing would not out lift the starved > horse wing. It is my understanding that the thickness of the wing is one of > the factors that affect how much a wing can lift. That said, the different > may not be that great. > > > Clear skies, > > > Nick Cassara > > Proto-type Kolbra Under reconstruction > > Palmer, Alaska > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 07:23:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    From: "joepilot503" <joepilot503@hotmail.com>
    Here's my first in cockpit video I took Wednesday near Wyoming Montana border. ELE 3800' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZ_ygAccV0 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272693#272693


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    Time: 07:31:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: thinner
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Possum Bar-B-Que - Yum Yum! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSyWY9MAHM&feature=related Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272696#272696


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    Time: 09:32:53 AM PST US
    From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/12/09
    > such as distemper (rabies) This sounds like you are saying Rabies and distemper are the same things. I hope this isn't your intent. > "I found that if I did NOT get at least eight > daily hours of intense MEK fumes, I used to help Boeing build airplanes. I know exactly what you mean. I have had to spend hours in tight places breathing those fumes. I never felt exactly right when I finally crawled out of there. GeoB


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    Time: 11:06:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/12/09
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    is that anything like being intemperate? BTW baby opossums really are fun. They will climb up your head and hide in your hair (if any) BB do not archive On 13, Nov 2009, at 12:30 PM, George Bearden wrote: > >> such as distemper (rabies) > > This sounds like you are saying Rabies and distemper are the same > things. I hope this isn't your intent. > >> "I found that if I did NOT get at least eight >> daily hours of intense MEK fumes, > > I used to help Boeing build airplanes. I know exactly what you mean. > I have had to spend hours in tight places breathing those fumes. I > never felt exactly right when I finally crawled out of there. > > GeoB > >


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    Time: 11:11:54 AM PST US
    From: "Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    Beautiful vid!!!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "joepilot503" <joepilot503@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09 > > Here's my first in cockpit video I took Wednesday near Wyoming Montana > border. ELE 3800' > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZ_ygAccV0 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272693#272693 > > >


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    Time: 03:34:39 PM PST US
    From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    At 10:23 AM 11/13/2009, you wrote: > >Here's my first in cockpit video I took Wednesday near Wyoming >Montana border. ELE >3800' > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZ_ygAccV0 I can't believe that's your first - what kind of camera? HD too!


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    Time: 04:49:00 PM PST US
    From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Thinner
    > Scientists believe that because the oposum is cursed with a small brain (5 times smaller than that of a raccoon) A scientist who studies marsupials in Australia claims that a small brain can be a survival characteristic. In general, it is 'biologically costly' for an organism to maintain nerve tissue such as a brain. It requires a fairly constant temperature, it has to be protected from trauma and be shock-mounted, it consumes vast quantities of O2 and nutrition for its size, compared to other types of tissue. Zoologists and anthrpologists claim that if an organism has a large brain it is because his survival depends on it. You won't find one where it is not needed [1]. Interior Australia is not the garden spot of the world. The land is not very productive because there isn't enough water for a lot of plants. This can make survival tough there. Kangaroos (also a marsupial) have tiny brains. This cuts down significantly on their demand for food [1] Some entemologists claim that bugs can probably think. They claim that a creature relying on a set of instincts to deal with danger and other life issues would require a large brain to hold all of the necessary responses. They think that a smaller brain that can reason would provide a larger more flexible set of responses. GeoB


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    Time: 05:55:22 PM PST US
    From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Darwin wins again!
    That's it then! A large brain is not required to be a Sport Pilot! Reflexes, years of experiences (while you still had brain cells) and thousands of take off's and landings will replace all that lost "tissue" with a set of instincts - so to speak. Why waste precious resources on "brain cells" that are not needed. "The human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine." To quote (Cliff Clavin - Cheers) Substitute MEK - for this increase in efficiency and I believe we have solved the problem. "a smaller brain that can reason would provide a larger more flexible set of responses". do not archive At 07:46 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: > > > Scientists believe that because the oposum is cursed with a small > brain (5 times smaller than that of a raccoon) > >A scientist who studies marsupials in Australia claims that a small >brain can be a survival characteristic. In general, it is >'biologically costly' for an organism to maintain nerve tissue such >as a brain. It requires a fairly constant temperature, it has to be >protected from trauma and be shock-mounted, it consumes vast >quantities of O2 and nutrition for its size, compared to other types >of tissue. Zoologists and anthrpologists claim that if an organism >has a large brain it is because his survival depends on it. You >won't find one where it is not needed [1]. Interior Australia is not >the garden spot of the world. The land is not very productive >because there isn't enough water for a lot of plants. This can make >survival tough there. Kangaroos (also a marsupial) have tiny brains. >This cuts down significantly on their demand for food > >[1] Some entemologists claim that bugs can probably think. They >claim that a creature relying on a set of instincts to deal with >danger and other life issues would require a large brain to hold all >of the necessary responses. They think that a smaller brain that can >reason would provide a larger more flexible set of responses. > >GeoB


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    Time: 07:06:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Don't know if you're old enough to remember pogo possum, but if you are, here's some nose art - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272757#272757 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pogo_large_289.jpg


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    Time: 07:14:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Brain Damage by Pink Floyd - Love it - A Real Kolb Pilot! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272758#272758


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    Time: 07:19:25 PM PST US
    From: HGRAFF@aol.com
    Subject: Anybody see a Kolb there?
    For all the folks that didn't make it there this year. Oshkosh 2009 _http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=nKU0uQki5Dc_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=nKU0uQki5Dc) Maybe this will get you in the spirit for next year. Herb Graff Mark III 246KT


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    Time: 07:38:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    From: "joepilot503" <joepilot503@hotmail.com>
    Just a $100 HD 720P cam made by Insignia from BestBuy the size of a pack of cigs, I'm happy with it, you should see the original copy. The only thing with it you'll loose some quality the further you zoom, I had it zoomed out all the way on video. I have to mount it in a foam cradle or something to get the waves out of the picture due to the vibration. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272763#272763


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    Time: 07:48:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    "We have met the enemy and he is us". Pogo On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: > > Don't know if you're old enough to remember pogo possum, but if you are, > here's some nose art - > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272757#272757 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pogo_large_289.jpg > >


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    Time: 08:13:54 PM PST US
    From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    At 10:38 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: > >Just a $100 HD 720P cam made by Insignia from BestBuy the size of a >pack of cigs, I'm happy with it, you should see the original copy. >The only thing with it you'll loose some quality the further you >zoom, I had it zoomed out all the way on video. I have to mount it >in a foam cradle or something to get the waves out of the picture >due to the vibration. That's great - I've spent $1,000 + to get that same quality& maybe a few extras, but .........your video is amazing. Can you add a "wide angle lens" on an Insignia or would it cost more than the camera? I know about the zoom - shakes - I'm guessing they've got the image stabilizer on even the cheap cameras now? We have a short grass field 1,000 ft max? Houses & trees are in the way. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=263159682459782825# Here's one over the Etowah River at the Club field. But this is with an expensive camera and apparently not any better quality than yours. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2887020469201792731#


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    Time: 08:42:09 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Firestar-1 Flight video 11-11-09
    In a message dated 11/13/2009 10:24:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joepilot503@hotmail.com writes: Here's my first in cockpit video I took Wednesday near Wyoming Montana border. Hey JoePilot, Good job on the video. That area looks somewhat familiar to me. I spent 3 years in Miles City, MT while stationed at the Air Force 902 Squadron Radar Base, a loooong time ago. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive


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    Time: 10:47:06 PM PST US
    From: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    At 10:46 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: >"We have met the enemy and he is us". > >Pogo He Is Us . The announcement that the Obama Administration will try 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in New York City raises some important issues when it comes to what Congress has decided about detainees at Guantanamo Bay - for years & do you think they will really be tried in "New York" - No Way - move to a different venue,after 6 months - Moved to a new venue after 6 months, - moved again to maybe "American Somomo"? It was very instructive to see what issue President Obama emphasized before leaving on an eight day trip to Asia. Let's put it this way: it was not health care or Afghanistan or what ever .... The budget news for October, the first month of the new fiscal year, was simply mountains of red ink, as the deficit for just one month was $176.4 billion. that was on top of an all-time record of $1.42 trillion... In Washington the ACORN Administration is trying to find something to blame the Ft. Hood shootings on other than a radical Muslim hell-bent on killing infidels while shouting praises to his God. Since the House passed its health care reform bill in just one day, most Americans didn't have to become temporary experts on legislative procedure. . but this is not a political form - sorry Ted .




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