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Sun 11/15/09


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 04:40 AM - Re: G.P.S. (Thom Riddle)
     2. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (russ kinne)
     3. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (Charlie England)
     4. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (Beauford T)
     5. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     6. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (robert bean)
     7. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (Jack B. Hart)
     8. 08:29 AM - Re: Placard Location (Jason Omelchuck)
     9. 12:05 PM - Landing by the gator pond (cristalclear13)
    10. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Placard Location (Mike Welch)
    11. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Darwin wins again! (robert bean)
    12. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Placard Location (Larry Cottrell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:40:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: G.P.S.
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Comparing the two GARMINS... The 296 is too expensive The newer ones are WAY too expensive. I have a Lowrance 2000C and it is more than I need and I bought it used for a bit under $300. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 &quot;Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.&quot; - Pablo Mason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272887#272887


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    Time: 05:35:18 AM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    Yes, Charlie, this IS the wrong place for your political views. Glad you realize that fact. Hope you remember it. do not archive On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Charlie England wrote: > <ceengland@bellsouth.net> > > possums wrote: >> At 10:46 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: >>> "We have met the enemy and he is us". >>> >>> Pogo >> He Is Us >> . >> The announcement that the Obama Administration will try 9/11 >> mastermind *Khalid Sheikh Mohammed* in New York City raises some >> important issues when it comes to what Congress has decided about >> detainees at Guantanamo Bay - for years & do you think they will >> really be tried in "New York" - No Way - move to a different >> venue,after 6 months - Moved to a new venue after 6 months, - moved >> again to maybe "American Somomo"? >> >> It was very instructive to see what issue President Obama >> emphasized before leaving on an eight day trip to Asia. Let's put >> it this way: it was not health care or Afghanistan or what ever .... >> >> The budget news for *_October_*, the first month of the new fiscal >> year, was simply mountains of red ink, as the deficit for just >> *one month* was $176.4 billion. that was on top of an all-time >> record of $1.42 trillion... >> >> In Washington the ACORN Administration is trying to find something >> to blame the Ft. Hood shootings on other than a radical Muslim >> hell-bent on killing infidels while shouting praises to his God. >> Since the House passed its health care reform bill in just one >> day, most Americans didn't have to become temporary experts on >> legislative procedure. . >> but this is not a political form - sorry Ted > > You know, a lot of this stuff gets perpetuated because no one > challenges it, and the people who repeat it never bother to check > their sources. I'm not much of an Obama fan, but I would like to > know where all the critics were when the same policies were carried > out by the previous administration. > > First, what *did* Obama emphasize before leaving? (I ask because > that's the kind of thing that can be highly subjective, depending > on whether you follow actual news outlets or Faux News....) > > It's helpful if you understand stuff, so you know whether you're > complaining about the right things. > > For starters, did you know that war spending has *never* been > included in any budget, until now? That's one area of spending that > all previous administrations have attempted to hide from the > public. While I didn't vote for Obama, at least I can give him > credit for having the gonads to put the costs out front. The > previous bunch of cowards (I believe that Chicken Hawks is the > preferred term) tried to hide the human cost, too, by forbidding > news coverage of returning casualties, even when the families > requested it. If something really is worth fighting for, it's worth > telling those who are paying the cost about the full price. It's > also worth telling them the truth about what we are really fighting > for, which didn't happen this time, just like it didn't happen 45 > years ago in SE Asia. > > I don't like the 'stimulus' spending driving up the deficit, but I > didn't much care for the previous administration handing roughly > the same amount of money to banking mega-corps with no strings > attached, either. I don't recall you complaining when that > happened; why not? I don't recall you complaining when previous > administrations, starting with Reagan, chipped away at banking > regulations, culminating with the change in classification of > derivatives from insurance to 'investment' about 10 years ago, > allowing (actually, *causing*) the recent financial meltdown. If > you liked what went on for the last decade, why are you complaining > about the what's happing now, which is actually just a continuation > of previous administrations' agendas? > > The comment about Acorn is somewhat irrelevant since the > organization had its financial teeth pulled (did you miss that?). > > I, probably like you, don't consider the house health bill much in > the way of reform, but it actually took quite a few more days than > one to pass. If you're trying to imply that the public was misled, > or facts were hidden, where was your voice during the past 8 years? > Again, I'm not endorsing current policies, but I'm informed enough > to know that what I'm seeing is nothing new. If we want health care > reform, it needs to start with the health industry itself, not > 'insurance'. > > BTW, did you know that the previous administration increased > entitlement spending ('welfare'), the prime frustration of > conservatives, more than any administration in history, even the > dreadful Johnson 'Great Society' period? > > I'm just saying that you should be mad for the right reasons, > instead of mad at who the propagandists tell you to be mad at. > > Yeah, this is the wrong place for this, but misleading info > shouldn't be allowed to stand just because it was posted to an > improper forum to start with. > > Charlie > >


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    Time: 06:17:16 AM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    So, it's the wrong place for *my* political views, but the right place for views you think you agree with? Any voice you think you agree with is ok here, but anything else is not? Sad evidence of how closed minded we have become.... Charlie russ kinne wrote: > > Yes, Charlie, this IS the wrong place for your political views. > Glad you realize that fact. Hope you remember it. > do not archive > > On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Charlie England wrote: > >> <ceengland@bellsouth.net> >> >> possums wrote: >>> At 10:46 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: >>>> "We have met the enemy and he is us". >>>> >>>> Pogo >>> He Is Us >>> . >>> The announcement that the Obama Administration will try 9/11 >>> mastermind *Khalid Sheikh Mohammed* in New York City raises some >>> important issues when it comes to what Congress has decided about >>> detainees at Guantanamo Bay - for years & do you think they will >>> really be tried in "New York" - No Way - move to a different >>> venue,after 6 months - Moved to a new venue after 6 months, - moved >>> again to maybe "American Somomo"? >>> >>> It was very instructive to see what issue President Obama emphasized >>> before leaving on an eight day trip to Asia. Let's put it this >>> way: it was not health care or Afghanistan or what ever .... >>> >>> The budget news for *_October_*, the first month of the new fiscal >>> year, was simply mountains of red ink, as the deficit for just *one >>> month* was $176.4 billion. that was on top of an all-time record of >>> $1.42 trillion... >>> >>> In Washington the ACORN Administration is trying to find something >>> to blame the Ft. Hood shootings on other than a radical Muslim >>> hell-bent on killing infidels while shouting praises to his God. >>> Since the House passed its health care reform bill in just one day, >>> most Americans didn't have to become temporary experts on >>> legislative procedure. . >>> but this is not a political form - sorry Ted >> >> You know, a lot of this stuff gets perpetuated because no one >> challenges it, and the people who repeat it never bother to check >> their sources. I'm not much of an Obama fan, but I would like to know >> where all the critics were when the same policies were carried out by >> the previous administration. >> >> First, what *did* Obama emphasize before leaving? (I ask because >> that's the kind of thing that can be highly subjective, depending on >> whether you follow actual news outlets or Faux News....) >> >> It's helpful if you understand stuff, so you know whether you're >> complaining about the right things. >> >> For starters, did you know that war spending has *never* been >> included in any budget, until now? That's one area of spending that >> all previous administrations have attempted to hide from the public. >> While I didn't vote for Obama, at least I can give him credit for >> having the gonads to put the costs out front. The previous bunch of >> cowards (I believe that Chicken Hawks is the preferred term) tried to >> hide the human cost, too, by forbidding news coverage of returning >> casualties, even when the families requested it. If something really >> is worth fighting for, it's worth telling those who are paying the >> cost about the full price. It's also worth telling them the truth >> about what we are really fighting for, which didn't happen this time, >> just like it didn't happen 45 years ago in SE Asia. >> >> I don't like the 'stimulus' spending driving up the deficit, but I >> didn't much care for the previous administration handing roughly the >> same amount of money to banking mega-corps with no strings attached, >> either. I don't recall you complaining when that happened; why not? I >> don't recall you complaining when previous administrations, starting >> with Reagan, chipped away at banking regulations, culminating with >> the change in classification of derivatives from insurance to >> 'investment' about 10 years ago, allowing (actually, *causing*) the >> recent financial meltdown. If you liked what went on for the last >> decade, why are you complaining about the what's happing now, which >> is actually just a continuation of previous administrations' agendas? >> >> The comment about Acorn is somewhat irrelevant since the organization >> had its financial teeth pulled (did you miss that?). >> >> I, probably like you, don't consider the house health bill much in >> the way of reform, but it actually took quite a few more days than >> one to pass. If you're trying to imply that the public was misled, or >> facts were hidden, where was your voice during the past 8 years? >> Again, I'm not endorsing current policies, but I'm informed enough to >> know that what I'm seeing is nothing new. If we want health care >> reform, it needs to start with the health industry itself, not >> 'insurance'. >> >> BTW, did you know that the previous administration increased >> entitlement spending ('welfare'), the prime frustration of >> conservatives, more than any administration in history, even the >> dreadful Johnson 'Great Society' period? >> >> I'm just saying that you should be mad for the right reasons, instead >> of mad at who the propagandists tell you to be mad at. >> >> Yeah, this is the wrong place for this, but misleading info shouldn't >> be allowed to stand just because it was posted to an improper forum >> to start with. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> >>


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    Time: 07:00:47 AM PST US
    From: "Beauford T" <beauford173@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    So, it's the wrong place for *my* political views, but the right place for views you think you agree with? ----------------- Brother England: No. You completely missed the point, sir. Airplanes. Kolb airplanes. Kolb Airplane List. Get it? Agreement -- or disagreement... has nothing to do with it. Wrong subject, sir. Kolb Airplane List. Get it? beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do not archive


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    Time: 07:01:07 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    Charlie/ALL.... This site is for discussions about Kolb airplanes PLEASE keep the discussions to that topic. Also..... Do Not Archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Darwin wins again! > > So, it's the wrong place for *my* political views, but the right place for > views you think you agree with? Any voice you think you agree with is ok > here, but anything else is not? > > Sad evidence of how closed minded we have become.... > > Charlie > > russ kinne wrote: >> >> Yes, Charlie, this IS the wrong place for your political views. >> Glad you realize that fact. Hope you remember it. >> do not archive >> >> On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> >>> <ceengland@bellsouth.net> >>> >>> possums wrote: >>>> At 10:46 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: >>>>> "We have met the enemy and he is us". >>>>> >>>>> Pogo >>>> He Is Us >>>> . >>>> The announcement that the Obama Administration will try 9/11 mastermind >>>> *Khalid Sheikh Mohammed* in New York City raises some important issues >>>> when it comes to what Congress has decided about detainees at >>>> Guantanamo Bay - for years & do you think they will really be tried in >>>> "New York" - No Way - move to a different venue,after 6 months - >>>> Moved to a new venue after 6 months, - moved >>>> again to maybe "American Somomo"? >>>> >>>> It was very instructive to see what issue President Obama emphasized >>>> before leaving on an eight day trip to Asia. Let's put it this way: >>>> it was not health care or Afghanistan or what ever .... >>>> >>>> The budget news for *_October_*, the first month of the new fiscal >>>> year, was simply mountains of red ink, as the deficit for just *one >>>> month* was $176.4 billion. that was on top of an all-time record of >>>> $1.42 trillion... >>>> >>>> In Washington the ACORN Administration is trying to find something to >>>> blame the Ft. Hood shootings on other than a radical Muslim hell-bent >>>> on killing infidels while shouting praises to his God. >>>> Since the House passed its health care reform bill in just one day, >>>> most Americans didn't have to become temporary experts on legislative >>>> procedure. . >>>> but this is not a political form - sorry Ted >>> >>> You know, a lot of this stuff gets perpetuated because no one challenges >>> it, and the people who repeat it never bother to check their sources. >>> I'm not much of an Obama fan, but I would like to know where all the >>> critics were when the same policies were carried out by the previous >>> administration. >>> >>> First, what *did* Obama emphasize before leaving? (I ask because that's >>> the kind of thing that can be highly subjective, depending on whether >>> you follow actual news outlets or Faux News....) >>> >>> It's helpful if you understand stuff, so you know whether you're >>> complaining about the right things. >>> >>> For starters, did you know that war spending has *never* been included >>> in any budget, until now? That's one area of spending that all previous >>> administrations have attempted to hide from the public. While I didn't >>> vote for Obama, at least I can give him credit for having the gonads to >>> put the costs out front. The previous bunch of cowards (I believe that >>> Chicken Hawks is the preferred term) tried to hide the human cost, too, >>> by forbidding news coverage of returning casualties, even when the >>> families requested it. If something really is worth fighting for, it's >>> worth telling those who are paying the cost about the full price. It's >>> also worth telling them the truth about what we are really fighting for, >>> which didn't happen this time, just like it didn't happen 45 years ago >>> in SE Asia. >>> >>> I don't like the 'stimulus' spending driving up the deficit, but I >>> didn't much care for the previous administration handing roughly the >>> same amount of money to banking mega-corps with no strings attached, >>> either. I don't recall you complaining when that happened; why not? I >>> don't recall you complaining when previous administrations, starting >>> with Reagan, chipped away at banking regulations, culminating with the >>> change in classification of derivatives from insurance to 'investment' >>> about 10 years ago, allowing (actually, *causing*) the recent financial >>> meltdown. If you liked what went on for the last decade, why are you >>> complaining about the what's happing now, which is actually just a >>> continuation of previous administrations' agendas? >>> >>> The comment about Acorn is somewhat irrelevant since the organization >>> had its financial teeth pulled (did you miss that?). >>> >>> I, probably like you, don't consider the house health bill much in the >>> way of reform, but it actually took quite a few more days than one to >>> pass. If you're trying to imply that the public was misled, or facts >>> were hidden, where was your voice during the past 8 years? Again, I'm >>> not endorsing current policies, but I'm informed enough to know that >>> what I'm seeing is nothing new. If we want health care reform, it needs >>> to start with the health industry itself, not 'insurance'. >>> >>> BTW, did you know that the previous administration increased entitlement >>> spending ('welfare'), the prime frustration of conservatives, more than >>> any administration in history, even the dreadful Johnson 'Great Society' >>> period? >>> >>> I'm just saying that you should be mad for the right reasons, instead of >>> mad at who the propagandists tell you to be mad at. >>> >>> Yeah, this is the wrong place for this, but misleading info shouldn't be >>> allowed to stand just because it was posted to an improper forum to >>> start with. >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >


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    Time: 07:16:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    if yooze guyz go back and check the chronology of that string Charlie did not make the initial political utterance. IMO this absolves him from original sin. BB do not archive On 15, Nov 2009, at 10:03 AM, Beauford T wrote: > > > So, it's the wrong place for *my* political views, but the right place > for views you think you agree with? > > ----------------- > > Brother England: > > No. > > You completely missed the point, sir. > > Airplanes. Kolb airplanes. > > Kolb Airplane List. > > Get it? > > Agreement -- or disagreement... has nothing to do with it. > > Wrong subject, sir. > > Kolb Airplane List. > > Get it? > > beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL Do not archive > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:23:29 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    At 10:14 AM 11/15/09 -0500, you wrote: > >if yooze guyz go back and check the chronology of that string Charlie did not make the initial political utterance. >IMO this absolves him from original sin. >BB >do not archive > Bob, Disagree. When each of us signed up we agree to keep on the topic of Kolb. If on guy falls off topic does not un obligate the rest of us. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:29:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Placard Location
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    I put mine on the floor right against where the the floor transitions up to the front edge of the seats. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272914#272914


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    Time: 12:05:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Landing by the gator pond
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    Flew my Dad, visiting me from Illinois, over to the lake where my husband hunted gators this year. There is a grass strip by a beautiful lake and pond house. It was a gorgeous morning for flying. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272939#272939 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cristals_dad_don_and_her_kolb_flew_into_echols_strip_in_patterson2_156.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cristals_dad_don_and_her_kolb_flew_into_echols_strip_in_patterson_443.jpg


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    Time: 12:18:09 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Placard Location
    Kolb guys=2C I'll be needing to install my "experimental" signs on my MkIII soon(ish) =2C and I haven't checked the regs=2C but is the location only for the bene fit of the passenger=2C and not the public walking by? In other words=2C can the placement just be inside the cabin (in sight of the passenger)=2C with no need to have one outside? Thanks Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.


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    Time: 12:34:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Darwin wins again!
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Jack, you are welcome to disagree. On a Kolb note, I did a little experiment on my folded MkIII this afternoon. My wings, built by different people, had a difference in fabric tautness. The left wing, although tight in appearance, had less tension between ribs than the right. RPMs in the idle range showed a visible difference in vibration. Additionally, thumping with the panels yielded a different pitch from left wing to right. I ran my milwaukee heat gun on all the panels and apparently have brought the left up to a comparable level. One does not want to tarry in a spot or you can get a slightly tannish discoloration. (got one small one that I will try to rub out) The wing tip bow area responded in an especially favorable manner. So it can be done after the fact. BB On 15, Nov 2009, at 12:19 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 10:14 AM 11/15/09 -0500, you wrote: >> >> if yooze guyz go back and check the chronology of that string Charlie did not make the initial political utterance. >> IMO this absolves him from original sin. >> BB >> do not archive >> > > Bob, > > Disagree. When each of us signed up we agree to keep on the topic of Kolb. > If on guy falls off topic does not un obligate the rest of us. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > >


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    Time: 03:53:38 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Placard Location
    I don't remember the exact wording, but it has to be plainly visible to anyone that is getting into the airplane. I put mine on the top of the lift struts. Very noticeable to anyone entering the plane but not so noticeable in flight. You would have to be higher and in front of the plane to see it. You can just barely see it on the left side strut. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Placard Location Kolb guys, I'll be needing to install my "experimental" signs on my MkIII soon(ish), and I haven't checked the regs, but is the location only for the benefit of the passenger, and not the public walking by? In other words, can the placement just be inside the cabin (in sight of the passenger), with no need to have one outside? Thanks Mike Welch MkIII CX ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SP target='_new'>Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11/15/09 07:50:00




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