---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/26/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - What Are You Thankful For...? (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:44 AM - Re: Thanksgiving flight (Jack B. Hart) 2. 04:54 AM - Re: Something a might different (Rick Lewis) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: dihedral & or twist (Thom Riddle) 4. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: dihedral & or twist (John Hauck) 5. 06:28 AM - Re: Thanksgiving flight (robert bean) 6. 07:32 AM - Re: Thanksgiving flight (Richard Pike) 7. 07:37 AM - Re: Thanksgiving flight (Richard Pike) 8. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Thanksgiving flight (robert bean) 9. 08:19 AM - Dihedral & or twist (frank.goodnight) 10. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: dihedral & or twist (chris davis) 11. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: dihedral & or twis/Rats and Rodents (John Hauck) 12. 12:49 PM - flight on Thanksgiving (Larry Cottrell) 13. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: dihedral & or twis/Rats and Rodents (John Hauck) 14. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: dihedral & or twis/Rats and Rodents (russ kinne) 15. 02:04 PM - Re: About your Kolb... (JRatcli256@aol.com) 16. 08:30 PM - Re: dihedral & or twist (jerb) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: What Are You Thankful For...? Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:15 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thanksgiving flight At 10:01 PM 11/25/09 -0800, you wrote: >http://forums.matronics.com//files/river_458.jpg Richard, What is the function of the red led and the manometer looking instruments? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Something a might different From: "Rick Lewis" That has to be the strangest thing I've seen in a long time. Now I know for certain that I will never attempt to build my own prop. Those prop blades must really be going through some weard movements. I don't understand how things hold together. Keep up the video's, we all really like them. Rick Lewis (VW Water cooled Powered) [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274926#274926 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twist From: "Thom Riddle" Richard, Change of subject triggered by your great photo of the FSII in profile. Did you happen to document any changes in airspeed or power requirements with and without the wheel pants? Most Kolbs fly without them but I'm considering downsizing my Slingshot 800x6 tires to 600x6 and installing wheel pants. I plan to do that and document the effects of reducing tire size and then adding the wheel pants. Since it is stored for the winter, I won't know the results until next spring. For what it is worth, with the big tires my top level speed is 95 mph TAS and I normally cruise at 80 mph at about 72% power when going somewhere and about 65-70 mph and 50-55% power, otherwise. I'm hoping to get another 3 mph at cruise with smaller tires and hopefully another 3 mph with wheel pants. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools." - Pablo Mason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274929#274929 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:12 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twist > Did you happen to document any changes in airspeed or power requirements with and without the wheel pants? > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY Thom R/Gang: Initially, I flew my Firestar with wheel pants, then removed them. Based on my primitive methods of measurement, I never could tell any difference in air speed. What I could tell was the additional weight which was being added during ground ops at my airstrip where the cows like the airstrip as much as I do. The wheel pants collected cow manure and dry grass in the rear section of the pants. When I took them off, they must have weighed 50 lbs a piece. The main reason I installed them was to try for some protection from the cow crap. Didn't work though. When the tire hit a cow pie it shot the crap out to each side. Of course, in an open cockpit, the cow crap would occasionally hit its mark, me. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I am having my Thanksgiving dinner at the farm with my friends where I keep my mkIII. Couldn't think of a better place to do it. john h mkIII hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thanksgiving flight From: robert bean betcha the red LED is air/fuel ratio. Considering one myself. BB On 26, Nov 2009, at 8:37 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 10:01 PM 11/25/09 -0800, you wrote: > >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/river_458.jpg > > Richard, > > What is the function of the red led and the manometer looking instruments? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Thanksgiving flight From: "Richard Pike" jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > At 10:01 PM 11/25/09 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/river_458.jpg > > > > > > Richard, > > What is the function of the red led and the manometer looking instruments? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN The red led numbers are the voltmeter, it is showing 14.0. The little square red light below the numbers is supposed to look like a battery. The manometer looking thing is an antique Makiki pellet variometer. It is a vacuum flask that fits behind the panel, and the little plastic portion that sticks through has two little foam pellets that float in channels. When you climb or descend, or hit lift or sink, the pellets float up or down in the tubes as air flows in or out of the flask. It is both extremely sensitive and instantaneous, and as long as you have the room to fit it, it is ideal. And it weighs less than a pound. Happy Thanksgiving to all the Kolbers! (Now I need to get back to the garage and check the turkey smoker) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274942#274942 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Thanksgiving flight From: "Richard Pike" slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote: > betcha the red LED is air/fuel ratio. Considering one myself. > BB > > On 26, Nov 2009, at 8:37 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > > > > > > > At 10:01 PM 11/25/09 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/river_458.jpg > > > > Richard, > > > > What is the function of the red led and the manometer looking instruments? > > > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > > Winchester, IN > > > > > Naw, that's the gauge on the extreme right. It's called an EGT... get'cha one, you'll like it, they're fun Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) [Laughing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274943#274943 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Thanksgiving flight From: robert bean well the numbers looked in the ballpark...... IMO EGTs are for 2 strokes and jet engines. I set my carb up with OX readings on a multimeter but a permanent gauge on the panel would be good for future experimentation. BB off to the grub On 26, Nov 2009, at 10:36 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > > slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote: >> betcha the red LED is air/fuel ratio. Considering one myself. >> BB >> >> On 26, Nov 2009, at 8:37 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> At 10:01 PM 11/25/09 -0800, you wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/river_458.jpg >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> What is the function of the red led and the manometer looking instruments? >>> >>> Jack B. Hart FF004 >>> Winchester, IN >>> >>> >> > > > Naw, that's the gauge on the extreme right. It's called an EGT... get'cha one, you'll like it, they're fun > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) [Laughing] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274943#274943 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:30 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Kolb-List: Dihedral & or twist To all Kolbers Happy thanksgiving, Also, thanks to all the people that responded to my request for info. The list is a wonderful repository of knowledge and experience for all things Kolb related. After considering what you guys had to say , I plan to add dihedral before the trip to M.V. this spring. Frank Goodnight Firestar2 55161 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:54 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twist John , happy thanksgiving to you and yours,great story about the-boots on your Kolb !enjoy the day, we have a lot to be thankful for !your friend,Ch ris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building F irefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck < jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, November 2 6, 2009 9:08:34 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twist=0A=0A- =0A> Did you happen to document any changes in airspeed or power requiremen ts with and without the wheel pants?=0A> --------=0A> Thom Riddle=0A> Buffa lo, NY=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThom R/Gang:=0A=0AInitially, I flew my Firestar with w heel pants, then removed them.- Based on my primitive methods of measurem ent, I never could tell any difference in air speed.=0A=0AWhat I could tell was the additional weight which was being added during ground ops at my ai rstrip where the cows like the airstrip as much as I do. The wheel pants co llected cow manure and dry grass in the rear section of the pants.- When I took them off, they must have weighed 50 lbs a piece.=0A=0AThe main reaso n I installed them was to try for some protection from the cow crap.- Did n't work though.- When the tire hit a cow pie it shot the crap out to eac h side.- Of course, in an open cockpit, the cow crap would occasionally h it its mark, me.=0A=0AHappy Thanksgiving everyone.- I am having my Thanks giving dinner at the farm with my friends where I keep my mkIII.- Couldn' t think of a better place to do it.=0A=0Ajohn h=0AmkIII=0Ahauck's holler, a - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ===================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:36 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twis/Rats and Rodents Chris D/Gang: Thanks, Chris. I have been apprehensive about checking my mkIII for fear of finding damage done by rodents as I have the last two years. Before I left on my trip I stuffed some super coarse scotchbrite pads into the aft end of the tail boom. At noon today, when I went over to the farm for Thanksgiving dinner, I road on out to the airstrip and reluctantly removed the windshield cover. Lo and behold, everything was just as I left it three months ago with the exception of some additional spider webs and dust. Thank you Lord for taking care of my mkIII. ;-) I did use a lot of Decon rat bait prior to departure. I don't know if that was a deterent or not. Now to get ready to fly to the Nauga Fly Around in Star Hill, LA. john h mkIII hauck's holler, alabama John , happy thanksgiving to you and yours,great story about the boots on your Kolb !enjoy the day, we have a lot to be thankful for !your friend, Chris Davis ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:08 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: flight on Thanksgiving As many of you know I am a Falconer, and the Firestar works well with finding places to fly my birds, check for game and access points in an area that is rather remote with very few roads and difficult land travel. I am flying a Peregrine Falcon that is currently hunting Ducks, as the Pheasant is a very desirable and marketable commodity in this area. Pilgrims and city folk pay a good price, that many of the ranchers need, to shoot a couple of birds. That leaves Ducks, who are slowly being forced to move south by the dropping temps. as their resting and feeding places are icing over. Each storm that moves through the area, also moves the ducks as well, so it is not always guaranteed that ducks here today will be here tomorrow. I do have an artesian lake across the road from me that supplies a lot of water and flows all year around and is of such volume that it does not freeze. Creeks supply way too many escape routes for Ducks, so its lakes, ponds, or disappointment on the creeks. The last two times that I have been there on the ground, we were the only ones there. The weather here today is actually pretty nice even though it is a bit nipply, 39 degrees, little or no wind. So I rolled out the Firestar to see if it was going to be football or hawking. I am pleased to report that there were ducks on the lake, so football will have to wait. There is a bit of a weather front moving across the Steen's, but that is for tomorrow. Even with just a bit of flying for fun, the whole thing took 12 minutes. I do keep a blog with my adventures, both flying and Hawking that you are welcome to view at http://owyheeflyer.blogspot.com/ . My trip hunting will be loaded later this afternoon, good or bad, whichever works out. Most of the posts there are concerning Hawking now. The flying plane part is generally during the spring and summer. Larry C Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world. Erasing the history also helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and prevents viruses from being propagated ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:18 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twis/Rats and Rodents Hi Folks: In addition, I left the aircraft battery hooked up to a small solar panel and charger. The battery was still hot and ready to start the 912ULS. Normally, the electric clock will run down the battery in a month is not recharged. Also, the Whelen Strobes still work. It is normal for the capacitors in the power packs to go belly up is not operated periodially. I was happy to see them popping when I flipped the switch. john h mkIII I have been apprehensive about checking my mkIII for fear of finding damage done by rodents as I have the last two years. john h ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:12 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: dihedral & or twis/Rats and Rodents John, hope you're having a great Thanksgiving. Even with all the deep stuff our country is in now, we're bloody lucky. Happy Turkey! And happy Nauga-ing. Russ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:03 PM PST US From: JRatcli256@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: About your Kolb... Hi Kevin, Choose the Kolb because: 1. Can be folded and trailered - Can't afford hanger rent. 2. Easiest to get into and fast build - Age related. About 600 hr. build time 3. Two place. 4. Great visibility. 5. Reportedly easier to handle for a tail dragger. I'm a member of the group _www.matronics.com_ (mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com) /kolb-list/. The guys on the list are very helpful and the list can searched for past postings on about any subject that's Kolb related. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving also - John ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:18 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: RE: Kolb-List: dihedral & or twist Boyd, I may have missed something but based upon the information you posted below, it sounds like you may have either added twist to the wing or changed the incidence. I may be misinterpreting what you posted. I would think to add dihedral would you need to lengthen or shorten the struts, lifting or lowering the wings postilion referenced to the root attachment or raise or lower both wing root to the fuselage attachment points. jerb At 02:38 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote: > >Frank > >When I first built I built the wing straight, per plans. During assembly I >set the wings straight while attaching at the inboard end. Then from >straight, installed a 1 1/2 inch spacer under the outboard rib on each wing, >again per plans. When test flying I would put the plane into a 30 deg >bank, and let go of the stick. The plane would continue to roll into a >steeper bank. (negative roll stability) > >A couple years later I took the time to mount the lift struts again, this >time I put in 3 inch spacers under the end ribs. Now with a 30 deg bank the >plane will stay at the same bank angle when I let go of the stick. (neutral >roll stability) > >At this point I am only guessing but if I were to have put in 4 to 4 1/2 >spacers under each end rib when setting the lift struts, I would suppose >that when letting go of the stick in a 30 deg bank that the plane would roll >back to level. ( positive roll stability) And would have been able to make >directional turns and banks using only the rudder. > >Boyd Young >Kolb mkIII > >Ps, happy thanks giving to all on the list. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > >Has anyone tried putting dihedral and or twist in a firestar wing? If >so what were the results? >I'm thinking about adding some dihedral to mine,but if someone has >already tried it and >its not worth the time , effort ,and money-------------.enough said. >Frank Goodnight >Firestar2 >55161 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.