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2. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (pj.ladd)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Dana Hague)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: Card Compass Question (Rick Lewis)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed (cristalclear13)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Kolb Mark II for sale (cristalclear13)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Kolb Mark II for sale (cristalclear13)
8. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (John Hauck)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed (Dana Hague)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Mike Welch)
11. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (John Hauck)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Card Compass Question (Richard Pike)
13. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Mike Welch)
14. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Mike Welch)
15. 01:02 PM - 503 FireStar 2 cold cht fixed (slowaero)
16. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (robert bean)
17. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Tom Longo)
18. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
19. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Kolbdriver)
20. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (John Hauck)
21. 04:27 PM - Re: Card Compass Question (racerjerry)
22. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (hgraff@aol.com)
23. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Tom Longo)
24. 10:36 PM - Re: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed ()
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| Subject: | 2009 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous
contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
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I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support through
the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and
I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
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John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
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Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Wet compass problem?
just don`t put your Coors carrier next to the compass.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
At 07:16 AM 12/21/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>Wet compass problem?
>
>just don`t put your Coors carrier next to the compass.
No, after all, it's a WHISKY compass! :)
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
I want to thank everyone for there replies. I'm very familiar with the degaussing
coil, but never would have thought of even trying it on an airframe. I will
probably get one even though the cheapest one cost around $30.00. I just hope
it puts out enough of a field to work. After I done with it I would be glad
to loan it out if anyone's interested. Parcel post shipping would only be
around $6.00 each way.
I checked the difference in readings from outside the cage to inside and it
was a 100 degree difference.
Rick Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed |
ulflyer(at)verizon.net wrote:
> Congratulations Cristal.
>
> Ok folks,
>
> We need some names here. Not sure if it's a boy or a girl. Must be
> aviation orientated. Can't be like Stick, Aileron, or Rudder, those
> are already taken by our dogs. More like Blue Sky, etc. Just might
> be fun to see what we can come up with while trying to stay warm over
> the Christmas, New year holidays. If nothing else we might use them
> for naming our airplanes.
> jerb
Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl, but they
could be biased since I already have a boy.
We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
I added to my ad that I only wanted to sell to US buyers (I hope that is ok and
legal). I got some emails from someone in Costa Rica, but I don't want to de-register
my plane. It took too much work to get that US registration and airworthiness.
Know what I mean?
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
Richard Pike wrote:
> Congratulations Crystal, and I agree with Rick. Don't take any less than your
asking price unless you really need the money, or really would like to roll your
own in a few years. Otherwise put it in storage.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Well I am still paying on the plane. I had to take out extra to get the plane
and then fix it up for airworthiness when I got it. If I had somewhere to store
it I would consider keeping it. I just pray about it and leave it in God's
hands. Haven't had any real nibbles so far.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will
damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed |
At 08:52 AM 12/21/2009, cristalclear13 wrote:
>Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl,
>but they could be biased since I already have a boy.
>
>We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out.
Well, if it's a boy there's always "Homer"... could be another great
airplane designer...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
> If it works for you=2C I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it w
ill
> damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
>
> john h
> mkIII
John=2C all others=2C
Yes=2C as the following formula shows=2C it will affect your ionization c
alibration gauge=2C especially if placed between=2C or right next to the ph
oton mass emitter=3B
>From the basic k-space formula=2C it follows immediately that we reconstruc
t an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform of the sampled d
ata=2C viz.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Wow!
Thanks for the info.
Where do I get the numbers to plug into the formula?
Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the
degausser damage my electric engine instruments?"
john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this afternoon.
mkIII
Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization
calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the
photon mass emitter;
From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we
reconstruct an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform of
the sampled data, viz.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
[quote="John Hauck"]Wow!
Thanks for the info.
Where do I get the numbers to plug into the formula?
Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the degausser
damage my electric engine instruments?"
john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this afternoon.
mkIII
> Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization
calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the photon
mass emitter;
>
> From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we reconstruct an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_Fourier_transform) of the sampled data, viz.
>
> Mike Welch
> [b]
Yeah, right - what he said...
I hadn't thought of that John, but I bet it would. Especially the compass. Which
means that you might be facing a fair amount of hassle to demagnetize the front
end of the airplane. [Crying or Very sad]
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
>Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question=2C "Will the >
degausser damage my electric engine instruments?"
>john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight=2C this afternoon.
>mkIII
Okay=2C okay=2C I'll be serious.
Electric temperature instruments are designed to reflect the difference i
n resistance and current=2C i.e. the electrical current generated by two di
ssimilar metals when exposed to temperature. The sending units are "thermi
sters"...temperature dependant resisters". The higher the temperature the
lower the resistance=2C (due to the electrical current flowing between to d
issimilar metals)
The gauge simply displays the present resistance=2C but it does so on a s
cale that is calibrated in temperature degrees.
It is very doubtful a demagnetizer can have any effect on electrical engi
ne gauges=2C unless the demagnetizer is on=2C and momentarily passing near
an instrument=2C affecting it's electrical activity....but the gauge would
not experience any after effects.
IMHO.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Bro. Richard=2C
I was kidding=2C of course=2C about the ionization=2C etc.=2Cetc.....
But=2C John's question was about engine instruments. I don't think a dem
agnetizer will hurt or affect them.
However=2C I wasn't referring to "any" electrical instruments (or a compa
ss). It may very likely effect these things....only a true labratory test
would tell.
As usual=2C the safe thing to always recommend is=3B check with the manuf
acturer!! They're the people that would know what is safe for their instru
ment to get next to=2C or not.
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| Subject: | 503 FireStar 2 cold cht fixed |
Thank you all for your comments and observations on 503 running temperatures.
Since first running the 503 on FireStar 2 cht has been too cold. The result has
been too fast build up of carbon in rings, piston, and head.
The problem has been solved by installing a fairing in front of the fan intake.
Warm holiday wishes to all,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
an old fashioned magnetic tachometer might be compromised.
BB
On 21, Dec 2009, at 3:05 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> >Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will
the >degausser damage my electric engine instruments?"
>
> >john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this
afternoon.
> >mkIII
>
> Okay, okay, I'll be serious.
>
> Electric temperature instruments are designed to reflect the
difference in resistance and current, i.e. the electrical current
generated by two dissimilar metals when exposed to temperature. The
sending units are "thermisters"...temperature dependant resisters". The
higher the temperature the lower the resistance, (due to the electrical
current flowing between to dissimilar metals)
> The gauge simply displays the present resistance, but it does so on
a scale that is calibrated in temperature degrees.
>
> It is very doubtful a demagnetizer can have any effect on electrical
engine gauges, unless the demagnetizer is on, and momentarily passing
near an instrument, affecting it's electrical activity....but the gauge
would not experience any after effects.
>
> IMHO.
>
> Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would
put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field,
also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will
damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected
by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I woul
d rather believe
Ellery in Maine
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From: Tom Longo <tclongo@att.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I wou
ld
ut it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
nstruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
t was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field
,
lso after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
ead correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
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rom: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
ent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
o: kolb-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
Rick Lewis
ick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
ideo/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw
=Audio
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it wil
l
amage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
kIII
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Mike,
Now THAT'S Funny!
If you delouse it wrong it might create a tear in the time space continuum.
and we can't have that!!! LOL
Mike
The other one in Missouri
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
> If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will
> damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
>
> john h
> mkIII
John, all others,
Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization
calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the photon
mass emitter;
>From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we reconstruct
an image I({\vec x})
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/7/7/977490164167692dd4021facdcaef9a1.png
> simply by taking the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_Fourier_transform> inverse Fourier
transform of the sampled data, viz.
I({\vec x}) = \int \mathrm{d}\vec k \ S( {\vec k}(t) ) \cdot e^{-2 \pi
\imath \ {\vec k}(t) \cdot {\vec x} }
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/5/5/8551f6ce387f68bb2216360a0c37443f.png
>
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would
> put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
> instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them,
Tom
Thanks, Tom/Gang:
That is the info I was looking for, someone that had actually degaussed
their fuselage and instrument panel, and the results they obtained with
electric engine instruments installed.
My mag compass has always been about 90 degrees off, but changes in size of
error as the aircraft is rotated around its axis.
I've flown the mkIII with an inop mag compass for nearly 3000 hours. Would
be nice to be able to use it to maintain my heading on long cross country
flights, rather than contantly looking down at my thigh to read the GPS. If
I am lucky, I can pick out a terrain feature, water tank, tower, barn, etc.,
and stay on course that way.
I'm getting antsy to take a trip in my little bird.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
A degaussing coil can kill engine instruments that incorporate DArsonval meter
movements (most do) as this mechanism depends on an internal magnet which you
really would not want to de-magnetize. Digital meters? I dunno.
The DArsonval movement is a DC moving coil-type movement in which an electromagnetic
core is suspended between the poles of a permanent magnet.
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Jerry King
Deer Park, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
A tachometer is usually using an aluminum disc, activated by "Eddie
Currents", induced by rotating magnets. Sooo, degaussing that thing, could of
course ruin the accuracy.
Herb Graff
Mark III N246KT
In a message dated 12/21/2009 6:45:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
elleryweld@aol.com writes:
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by
the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I would
rather believe
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Hi Ellery, That 2" tach always read too high the whole time I owned the MK
III that is why I put the tiny tach in there. I did not degauss the cage
until the last 15 hrs or so I put on plane because I kept trying different
compasses only to get the same result, even borrowed one that was fine in
another plane and it was off too, that is when I degaussed the cage and it
read correctly. How many hours do you have on it now? Probably too cold to
fly now. Tom in warm Florida
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder
Jr
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by
the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I would
rather believe
Ellery in Maine
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From: Tom Longo <tclongo@att.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would
put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field,
also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
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cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio>
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will
damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed |
Clare Waters ,would fit , you Americans probably would find another way to
spell it . Any way good luck and congratulations. Our young people are our
future .
Downunder
MK111c
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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed
> <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
>
>
> ulflyer(at)verizon.net wrote:
>> Congratulations Cristal.
>>
>> Ok folks,
>>
>> We need some names here. Not sure if it's a boy or a girl. Must be
>> aviation orientated. Can't be like Stick, Aileron, or Rudder, those
>> are already taken by our dogs. More like Blue Sky, etc. Just might
>> be fun to see what we can come up with while trying to stay warm over
>> the Christmas, New year holidays. If nothing else we might use them
>> for naming our airplanes.
>> jerb
>
>
> Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl,
> but they could be biased since I already have a boy.
>
> We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out.
>
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> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
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