---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/21/09: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - 2009 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 2. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (pj.ladd) 3. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Dana Hague) 4. 04:59 AM - Re: Card Compass Question (Rick Lewis) 5. 05:54 AM - Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed (cristalclear13) 6. 07:43 AM - Re: Kolb Mark II for sale (cristalclear13) 7. 07:49 AM - Re: Kolb Mark II for sale (cristalclear13) 8. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (John Hauck) 9. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed (Dana Hague) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Mike Welch) 11. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (John Hauck) 12. 11:55 AM - Re: Card Compass Question (Richard Pike) 13. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Mike Welch) 14. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Mike Welch) 15. 01:02 PM - 503 FireStar 2 cold cht fixed (slowaero) 16. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (robert bean) 17. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Tom Longo) 18. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 19. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Kolbdriver) 20. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (John Hauck) 21. 04:27 PM - Re: Card Compass Question (racerjerry) 22. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (hgraff@aol.com) 23. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Card Compass Question (Tom Longo) 24. 10:36 PM - Re: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:23 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: 2009 List of Contributors Dear Listers, The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:23 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question Wet compass problem? just don`t put your Coors carrier next to the compass. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:12 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question At 07:16 AM 12/21/2009, pj.ladd wrote: >Wet compass problem? > >just don`t put your Coors carrier next to the compass. No, after all, it's a WHISKY compass! :) -Dana -- PADDLE FASTER!! I hear banjo music!! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question From: "Rick Lewis" I want to thank everyone for there replies. I'm very familiar with the degaussing coil, but never would have thought of even trying it on an airframe. I will probably get one even though the cheapest one cost around $30.00. I just hope it puts out enough of a field to work. After I done with it I would be glad to loan it out if anyone's interested. Parcel post shipping would only be around $6.00 each way. I checked the difference in readings from outside the cage to inside and it was a 100 degree difference. Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278413#278413 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:34 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed From: "cristalclear13" ulflyer(at)verizon.net wrote: > Congratulations Cristal. > > Ok folks, > > We need some names here. Not sure if it's a boy or a girl. Must be > aviation orientated. Can't be like Stick, Aileron, or Rudder, those > are already taken by our dogs. More like Blue Sky, etc. Just might > be fun to see what we can come up with while trying to stay warm over > the Christmas, New year holidays. If nothing else we might use them > for naming our airplanes. > jerb Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl, but they could be biased since I already have a boy. We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278416#278416 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Mark II for sale From: "cristalclear13" I added to my ad that I only wanted to sell to US buyers (I hope that is ok and legal). I got some emails from someone in Costa Rica, but I don't want to de-register my plane. It took too much work to get that US registration and airworthiness. Know what I mean? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278435#278435 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Mark II for sale From: "cristalclear13" Richard Pike wrote: > Congratulations Crystal, and I agree with Rick. Don't take any less than your asking price unless you really need the money, or really would like to roll your own in a few years. Otherwise put it in storage. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Well I am still paying on the plane. I had to take out extra to get the plane and then fix it up for airworthiness when I got it. If I had somewhere to store it I would consider keeping it. I just pray about it and leave it in God's hands. Haven't had any real nibbles so far. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278439#278439 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:35 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question cheapest one cost around $30.00. > > Rick Lewis Rick L/Gang: As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less. http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will damage engine instruments? Anybody know? john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:46 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed At 08:52 AM 12/21/2009, cristalclear13 wrote: >Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl, >but they could be biased since I already have a boy. > >We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out. Well, if it's a boy there's always "Homer"... could be another great airplane designer... -Dana -- The citizens of the United States are getting the government they deserve. The problem is that I'm also getting the government they deserve. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:34 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question > If it works for you=2C I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it w ill > damage engine instruments? Anybody know? > > john h > mkIII John=2C all others=2C Yes=2C as the following formula shows=2C it will affect your ionization c alibration gauge=2C especially if placed between=2C or right next to the ph oton mass emitter=3B >From the basic k-space formula=2C it follows immediately that we reconstruc t an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform of the sampled d ata=2C viz. Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:48 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question Wow! Thanks for the info. Where do I get the numbers to plug into the formula? Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the degausser damage my electric engine instruments?" john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this afternoon. mkIII Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the photon mass emitter; From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we reconstruct an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform of the sampled data, viz. Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question From: "Richard Pike" [quote="John Hauck"]Wow! Thanks for the info. Where do I get the numbers to plug into the formula? Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the degausser damage my electric engine instruments?" john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this afternoon. mkIII > Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the photon mass emitter; > > From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we reconstruct an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_Fourier_transform) of the sampled data, viz. > > Mike Welch > [b] Yeah, right - what he said... I hadn't thought of that John, but I bet it would. Especially the compass. Which means that you might be facing a fair amount of hassle to demagnetize the front end of the airplane. [Crying or Very sad] Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278480#278480 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:57 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question >Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question=2C "Will the > degausser damage my electric engine instruments?" >john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight=2C this afternoon. >mkIII Okay=2C okay=2C I'll be serious. Electric temperature instruments are designed to reflect the difference i n resistance and current=2C i.e. the electrical current generated by two di ssimilar metals when exposed to temperature. The sending units are "thermi sters"...temperature dependant resisters". The higher the temperature the lower the resistance=2C (due to the electrical current flowing between to d issimilar metals) The gauge simply displays the present resistance=2C but it does so on a s cale that is calibrated in temperature degrees. It is very doubtful a demagnetizer can have any effect on electrical engi ne gauges=2C unless the demagnetizer is on=2C and momentarily passing near an instrument=2C affecting it's electrical activity....but the gauge would not experience any after effects. IMHO. Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:06 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question Bro. Richard=2C I was kidding=2C of course=2C about the ionization=2C etc.=2Cetc..... But=2C John's question was about engine instruments. I don't think a dem agnetizer will hurt or affect them. However=2C I wasn't referring to "any" electrical instruments (or a compa ss). It may very likely effect these things....only a true labratory test would tell. As usual=2C the safe thing to always recommend is=3B check with the manuf acturer!! They're the people that would know what is safe for their instru ment to get next to=2C or not. Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 503 FireStar 2 cold cht fixed From: "slowaero" Thank you all for your comments and observations on 503 running temperatures. Since first running the 503 on FireStar 2 cht has been too cold. The result has been too fast build up of carbon in rings, piston, and head. The problem has been solved by installing a fairing in front of the fan intake. Warm holiday wishes to all, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278490#278490 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0964_248.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0963_712.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:53 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question an old fashioned magnetic tachometer might be compromised. BB On 21, Dec 2009, at 3:05 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > >Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the >degausser damage my electric engine instruments?" > > >john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this afternoon. > >mkIII > > Okay, okay, I'll be serious. > > Electric temperature instruments are designed to reflect the difference in resistance and current, i.e. the electrical current generated by two dissimilar metals when exposed to temperature. The sending units are "thermisters"...temperature dependant resisters". The higher the temperature the lower the resistance, (due to the electrical current flowing between to dissimilar metals) > The gauge simply displays the present resistance, but it does so on a scale that is calibrated in temperature degrees. > > It is very doubtful a demagnetizer can have any effect on electrical engine gauges, unless the demagnetizer is on, and momentarily passing near an instrument, affecting it's electrical activity....but the gauge would not experience any after effects. > > IMHO. > > Mike Welch > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAtarget='_new'>Sign up now. > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:24 PM PST US From: "Tom Longo" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field, also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question cheapest one cost around $30.00. > > Rick Lewis Rick L/Gang: As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less. http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will damage engine instruments? Anybody know? john h mkIII Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 19:13:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Tom I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I woul d rather believe Ellery in Maine -----Original Message----- From: Tom Longo Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I wou ld ut it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other nstruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think t was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field , lso after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now ead correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom -----Original Message----- rom: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck ent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM o: kolb-list@matronics.com ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question cheapest one cost around $30.00. Rick Lewis ick L/Gang: As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power ideo/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less. http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw =Audio If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it wil l amage engine instruments? Anybody know? john h kIII hecked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 9:13:00 - e are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:25 PM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question Mike, Now THAT'S Funny! If you delouse it wrong it might create a tear in the time space continuum. and we can't have that!!! LOL Mike The other one in Missouri Do Not Archive.. _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question > If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will > damage engine instruments? Anybody know? > > john h > mkIII John, all others, Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the photon mass emitter; >From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we reconstruct an image I({\vec x}) simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform of the sampled data, viz. I({\vec x}) = \int \mathrm{d}\vec k \ S( {\vec k}(t) ) \cdot e^{-2 \pi \imath \ {\vec k}(t) \cdot {\vec x} } Mike Welch MkIII CX _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would > put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other > instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, Tom Thanks, Tom/Gang: That is the info I was looking for, someone that had actually degaussed their fuselage and instrument panel, and the results they obtained with electric engine instruments installed. My mag compass has always been about 90 degrees off, but changes in size of error as the aircraft is rotated around its axis. I've flown the mkIII with an inop mag compass for nearly 3000 hours. Would be nice to be able to use it to maintain my heading on long cross country flights, rather than contantly looking down at my thigh to read the GPS. If I am lucky, I can pick out a terrain feature, water tank, tower, barn, etc., and stay on course that way. I'm getting antsy to take a trip in my little bird. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question From: "racerjerry" A degaussing coil can kill engine instruments that incorporate DArsonval meter movements (most do) as this mechanism depends on an internal magnet which you really would not want to de-magnetize. Digital meters? I dunno. The DArsonval movement is a DC moving coil-type movement in which an electromagnetic core is suspended between the poles of a permanent magnet. -------- Jerry King Deer Park, NY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278521#278521 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:25 PM PST US From: hgraff@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question A tachometer is usually using an aluminum disc, activated by "Eddie Currents", induced by rotating magnets. Sooo, degaussing that thing, could of course ruin the accuracy. Herb Graff Mark III N246KT In a message dated 12/21/2009 6:45:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, elleryweld@aol.com writes: Tom I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I would rather believe Ellery in Maine ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:03 PM PST US From: "Tom Longo" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question Hi Ellery, That 2" tach always read too high the whole time I owned the MK III that is why I put the tiny tach in there. I did not degauss the cage until the last 15 hrs or so I put on plane because I kept trying different compasses only to get the same result, even borrowed one that was fine in another plane and it was off too, that is when I degaussed the cage and it read correctly. How many hours do you have on it now? Probably too cold to fly now. Tom in warm Florida -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder Jr Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question Tom I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I would rather believe Ellery in Maine -----Original Message----- From: Tom Longo Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field, also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question > cheapest one cost around $30.00. > > Rick Lewis Rick L/Gang: As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less. http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will damage engine instruments? Anybody know? john h mkIII Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 19:13:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:03 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed Clare Waters ,would fit , you Americans probably would find another way to spell it . Any way good luck and congratulations. Our young people are our future . Downunder MK111c ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristalclear13" Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:52 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed > > > > ulflyer(at)verizon.net wrote: >> Congratulations Cristal. >> >> Ok folks, >> >> We need some names here. Not sure if it's a boy or a girl. Must be >> aviation orientated. Can't be like Stick, Aileron, or Rudder, those >> are already taken by our dogs. More like Blue Sky, etc. Just might >> be fun to see what we can come up with while trying to stay warm over >> the Christmas, New year holidays. If nothing else we might use them >> for naming our airplanes. >> jerb > > > Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl, > but they could be biased since I already have a boy. > > We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out. > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278416#278416 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.