---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/30/09: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: de gaussing (Jack B. Hart) 2. 07:17 AM - Re: FWD Battery Location (racerjerry) 3. 07:50 AM - Re: de gaussing (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN) 4. 08:20 AM - Re: 447 problem (lucien) 5. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: 447 problem/stopping production.. (Herb) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: de gaussing (pj.ladd) 7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: 447 problem (Mike Welch) 8. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: de gaussing (pj.ladd) 9. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: 447 problem (robert bean) 10. 08:53 AM - Re: 447 problem (lucien) 11. 08:58 AM - Re: 447 problem (lucien) 12. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: 447 problem (Herb) 13. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: 447 problem (John Hauck) 14. 10:21 AM - Re: 447 problem (lucien) 15. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply () 16. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (Steve Simmons) 17. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (robert bean) 18. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (Richard Girard) 19. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: 447 problem (chris davis) 20. 03:11 PM - Re: 447 problem/stopping production.. (lucien) 21. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: 447 problem (russ kinne) 22. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: de gaussing (Dana Hague) 23. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: 447 problem (chris davis) 24. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: 447 problem (whiskeyvictor36@aol.com) 25. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: 447 problem (robert bean) 26. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: 447 problem (Richard Girard) 27. 07:51 PM - Electrical Switch Location (mark rinehart) 28. 09:52 PM - degoussing air frame (b young) 29. 10:19 PM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (b young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:52 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing At 08:55 PM 12/29/09 -0800, you wrote: > >I remember reading a book about Douglas Bader (Dogs Body) when I was back in middle school. Wasn't him, by any chance? (Been too long, forgot the details) > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldpoops) > Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader Do not archive Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, In ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location From: "racerjerry" YUP. If you try to compensate for a high thrust line (nose down-force) with added tail weight, you can quickly get into big trouble. When doing modifications, skipping W & B is not an option. What was that old saying about tuning 2-cycle racing engines? That they sound best right before they blow up? Yes, the plane flies better with aft CG but going too far brings on stability and stall recovery problems. Dont exceed the aft CG limit. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279214#279214 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" Pat Ladd wrote: << ... Due to faulty intel. he landed on a salt pan and went through the crust. >> Pat - Oooo ... that sounds hauntingly familiar! Did that in my Mark-3; have no wish to repeat the episode. Although for me, it was a faulty preflight (unsecured oil cap went thru the prop), not faulty intel. Thanks for sharing your wartime anecdotes with us - even if occasionally stretching the Kolb-related significance. I enjoy your stories! Happy New Year - Dennis Kirby Sandia Park, NM Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it > comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb List with > your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years. > > I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express > it so we can understand it. > > john h > mkIII All, I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list. Plus, to make this Kolb related, I'm still kicking the idea of a Firefly around as a second plane. But it appears Rotax has quit making the 447, even tho the distributors are still listing them Rotax themselves don't post it as an engine they sell anymore. Anyone know the scoop on this? Thanks, LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279227#279227 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:58 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem/stopping production.. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:58 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing Happy New Year - You too Dennis. i don`t know how deep you went in but this guy threw a bicycle from where it was lashed to the interplane struts and in sank beneath the surface. I know you are just begging to know what a plane was doing with the bike tied on the wing. The plane was a Swordfish, a radial engined torpedo bomber with a top speed of about 90. A biplane with a crew of 3, in 2 open cockpits. The mission was to insert an Arab sheik and a Frenchman into North Africa as spies. The bike was for their use. Both of them turned up at the PoW camp some months later. The Swordfish was affectionately known as the `Stringbag`. Accent on the first syllable NOT String Bag`. The book is `To war in a Stringbag` by Charles Lamb. A fascinating insight into a very different sort of war than we have now. Note that the top speed was about that of a flat out, balls to the wall, Kolb Mk3. Hows that for a Kolb connection? Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:58 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem > I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information her e and good folks to ignore it. > Lucien Lucien=2C Glad to see you're back. Now=2C don't piss me off. hehehe : ) Happy New Year!!!! BTW=2C can't help much with your 447 question. I'm one of the non-Rotax heretics. Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:26 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing Douglas Bader (Dogs Body)> Hi Richard, no it wasn`t. Bader was RAF and started the war with no legs. Also I don`t thinkthere is enough room to put your feet up on the instrument panel in a Spitfire. Bader was shot down by ground fire attacking ground targets in France. He was a PoW in `Colditz`. I am surprised that the German visitors do not know anything about the castles use as a high security camp. Perhaps Americans don`t either. Anyone interested contact me off list. The guy in my story was Navy and flew an obsolete torpedo bomber called the Swordfish. He was wounded after VE day. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem From: robert bean Lucien, like a moth returning to the flame? :) Jack Hart is your source for FF opinions. -at least I would consider him so. Also, like him, I don't think the FF really needs all the power that the 447 has. Getting over the trees is good enuf. I would contemplate one of them too if regulations for experimentals suddenly became too onerous. BB On 30, Dec 2009, at 11:19 AM, lucien wrote: > > > John Hauck wrote: >> >> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it >> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb List with >> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years. >> >> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express >> it so we can understand it. >> >> john h >> mkIII > > > All, > > I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. > > John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list. > > Plus, to make this Kolb related, I'm still kicking the idea of a Firefly around as a second plane. But it appears Rotax has quit making the 447, even tho the distributors are still listing them Rotax themselves don't post it as an engine they sell anymore. > > Anyone know the scoop on this? > > Thanks, > LS > > -------- > LS > Titan II SS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279227#279227 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem From: "lucien" [quote="mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co"]>I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. > Lucien > > Lucien C Glad to see you're back. Now C don't piss me off. hehehe : ) Happy New Year!!!! BTW C can't help much with your 447 question. I'm one of the non-Rotax heretics. Mike Welch MkIII CX Your E-mail and More On-to/171222985/direct/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. > [b] Hey Mike, Ok, was just wondering if anyone knew offhand. no biggie as I need to order parts for the upcoming annual on my plane from lockwood and titan so I'll ask at that time. Last I spoke to lockwood, they said Rotax intended to support any of the engines they may discontinue for 10 years. But if the 447 is out of production, I guess I'd have to make a decision fairly quickly and snap one up before they disappear. I want a 103 plane and the Firefly looks like it's about at the top of the heap. The other choice is my beloved fun racer trike, but it has some drawbacks the Kolb doesn't have.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279236#279236 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem From: "lucien" [quote="slyck(at)frontiernet.net"]Lucien, like a moth returning to the flame? :) Jack Hart is your source for FF opinions. -at least I would consider him so. Also, like him, I don't think the FF really needs all the power that the 447 has. Getting over the trees is good enuf. I would contemplate one of them too if regulations for experimentals suddenly became too onerous. BB On 30, Dec 2009, at 11:19 AM, lucien wrote: [quote] Ok, sounds good. I live at a high altitude where every engine becomes the model under it in terms of power (i.e. a 503 is about a 447, my 912uls is about a 912ul, etc). My 503 powered FSII managed about 300 fpm here before I sold it. I want to go 103 if I get another plane, I already pay too much in insurance and annuals on the big one. Can't think of a better option than the firefly overall, so that's what I'm looking at. LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279240#279240 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:03 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:13 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem > John Hauck wrote: >> >> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when >> it >> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb List with >> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years. >> >> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you >> express >> it so we can understand it. >> >> john h >> mkIII > > > All, > > I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here > and good folks to ignore it. > > John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest > being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the > comments anymore on the list. > > Thanks, > LS Lucien/Gang: Welcome back to the Kolb List. Was the above really necessary? john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > Lucien/Gang: > > Welcome back to the Kolb List. > > Was the above really necessary? > > john h > mkIII Good to be back. Yes, the clarification was necessary. I will only accept PM's if you need to discuss it further. I won't respond on the list and confining my comments here only to Kolb/Kolb engine related material. LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279255#279255 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:52 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:56 PM PST US From: "Steve Simmons" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply 16.5 FWD 23.1 AFT for Mark IIIC -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of apilot@surewest.net Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply From: robert bean tumultuous air will reveal weaknesses in balance better than any method. A properly balanced airplane will endure a sudden blast upwards with a nice straightforward (level) attitude. I have flown planes like that. My MkIII is not so well blessed. I'm speaking, obviously, of a column that uniformly boosts yer butt upward, not a little dinky thing like ones that lift one wing independently. Aside from any other problem with this is the necessity of messing with throttle settings too much. I'm a lazy pilot who prefers to just amble along and look out the winders. What is the consensus? do you end up with your nose down or up? BB On 30, Dec 2009, at 4:36 PM, Steve Simmons wrote: > > 16.5 FWD 23.1 AFT for Mark IIIC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > apilot@surewest.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:19 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply > > > I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown > it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know > the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply From: Richard Girard Here's a bit more detailed spread sheet built up from one offered by another lister (sorry, I don't remember who or I'd credit you) Happy New Year and lots of good flying in the coming year. Even you, JP :-} Rick On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Steve Simmons wrote: > > > > 16.5 FWD 23.1 AFT for Mark IIIC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > apilot@surewest.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:19 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply > > > I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have > flown > it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know > the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:26 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?=0A-Chris Dav is=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem=0A=0A--> Kolb-List m essage posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A> John Hauck wro te:=0A>> =0A>> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not r elative when it=0A>> comes to operating an engine.- If you want to impres s the Kolb List with=0A>> your experience, then you need to express it in h ours, not years.=0A>> =0A>> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express=0A>> it so we can understand it.=0A>> =0A>> j ohn h=0A>> mkIII=0A> =0A> =0A> All,=0A> =0A> I've resumed monitoring the li st as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. =0A> =0A> John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I' d suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list.=0A>=0A> Thanks,=0A> LS=0A=0A=0ALucien /Gang:=0A=0AWelcome back to the Kolb List.=0A=0AWas the above really necess =========================0A ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem/stopping production.. From: "lucien" herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote: > Well I called CPS (only place still open) and they said they hadn't heard anything about the 447 going out of prod. They said there'd have been a press release about it and so on... May still have to think about snapping one up pretty soon tho anyway just to have one ;) LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279305#279305 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:16 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem Chris I was in the same boat! -- been told it's "Private Message" Russ On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:33 PM, chris davis wrote: > John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean? > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > > From: John Hauck > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem > > > > John Hauck wrote: > >> > >> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not > relative when it > >> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb > List with > >> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years. > >> > >> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if > you express > >> it so we can understand it. > >> > >> john h > >> mkIII > > > > > > All, > > > > I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good > information here and good folks to ignore it. > > > > John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, > I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I > won't respond to the comments anymore on the list. > > > > Thanks, > > LS > > > Lucien/Gang: > > Welcome back to the Kolb List. > > Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElectric www.buildersbookres > =========== > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:52 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing At 11:33 AM 12/30/2009, pj.ladd wrote: >Bader was RAF and started the war with no legs. Also I don`t thinkthere is >enough room to put your feet up on the instrument panel in a Spitfire. >Bader was shot down by ground fire attacking ground targets in France. He >was a PoW in `Colditz`. I am surprised that the German visitors do not >know anything about the castles use as a high security camp. Perhaps >Americans don`t either. Anyone interested contact me off list. Those who want to know more about Douglas Bader should check out Paul Brickhill's bio of him, "Reach For the Sky". Besides the Battle of Britian stuff, it provides a fascinating insight into the life of an RAF officer both before and during the war. There have been a number of books written about Colditz. This was where the prisoners managed to construct a 2 seat glider to be used in an escape attempt. The plan was to catapult it off the roof using the weight of a bathtub full of concrete, but the war ended before it could be used. Not Kolb related, so do not archive. -Dana -- The early bird catches the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:13 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem Russ , thank you I thought it might be some aircraft or pilot lingo I was i gnoant of!=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled fro m crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: russ kinne =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 30, 2009 6:30:45 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem =0A=0AChris =0AI was in the same boat! -- been told it's "Private Message" =0ARuss=0A=0A=0AOn Dec 30, 2009, at 5:33 PM, chris davis wrote:=0A=0AJohn / list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?=0A>-Chris Davis=0A >KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash building Firefly =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom:-John Hauc k =0A>To:-kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent:-Wed, D ecember 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM=0A>Subject:-Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem >=0A>=0A>> John Hauck wrote:=0A>>>-=0A>>> No one is questioning your expe rience, but 10 years is not relative when it=0A>>> comes to operating an en gine.- If you want to impress the Kolb List with=0A>>> your experience, t hen you need to express it in hours, not years.=0A>>>-=0A>>> I have no de sire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express=0A>>> it s o we can understand it.=0A>>>-=0A>>> john h=0A>>> mkIII=0A>>-=0A>>- =0A>> All,=0A>>-=0A>> I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too muc h good information here and good folks to ignore it.=0A>>-=0A>> John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adu lt about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments an ymore on the list.=0A>>=0A>> Thanks,=0A>> LS=0A>=0A>=0A>Lucien/Gang:=0A>=0A >Welcome back to the Kolb List.=0A>=0A>Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElect ric-www.buildersbookres =============0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">www.aero electric.com=0A>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com =0A>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>href=" http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com=0A>href="http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributionhref="http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kol b-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:23 PM PST US From: whiskeyvictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, capedavis@yahoo.com writes: please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean? Chris/others Just being silly because there's not much going on: PM P.M. p.m. = post meridiem. Afternoon. Used to designate the time between noon and midnight. No recent flying of my FireStar because of the cold temps. and deep snow, etc. Bill Varnes Do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:53 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem Male version of PMS, which some of our members exhibit on occasion. On 30, Dec 2009, at 9:12 PM, whiskeyvictor36@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, capedavis@yahoo.com writes: > please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean? > > > Chris/others > Just being silly because there's not much going on: > > PM P.M. p.m. = post meridiem. Afternoon. Used to designate the time between noon and midnight. > > No recent flying of my FireStar because of the cold temps. and deep snow, etc. > > Bill Varnes > Do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem From: Richard Girard The way the discussion was going I just thought they omitted the S. Rick On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > capedavis@yahoo.com writes: > > please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean? > > > *Chris/others* > > *Just being silly because there's not much going on:* > ** > *PM P.M. p.m. = post meridiem. Afternoon. Used to designate the time > between noon and midnight.* > ** > *No recent flying of my FireStar because of the cold temps. and deep snow, > etc.* > ** > *Bill Varnes* > *Do not archive* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:28 PM PST US From: mark rinehart Subject: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas. Mark Rinehart MkIII Indianapolis ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:20 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: degoussing air frame >Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the >degausser damage my electric engine instruments?" >john h - John Thoughts according to Boyd,,, I am not sure but I think I would remove them before trying, this is why. When you pass a magnetic field over coils of wire you have a transformer that will create an electrical current in the instruments, the degausser will be the transformer primary coil and the instrument the secondary coil. If the current is sufficient to slam the gages, it may cause internal damage or change the accuracy, the more sensitive the movement the more chance for damage. The pressure type gages should be ok, but anything with an electrical movement may be compromised as the movements work on a magnetic field. This is my thoughts. The rest of this info came from a friend at an old tv repair shop. (maybe should say old friend at a tv shop) To find out how far away you need to be to not do any damage take an old crt tv and start the degausser at a 90 deg angle to the set at least 8 ft away, turn it at the set and as you get closer watch the set until you see changes in the picture. He said a picture with the most red color showing would be best. When you are finished go back to the 8 foot area and then turn it back to 90 deg before turning it off. When degaussing a tv he mentioned that they were never concerned about destroying the speaker in the set. And a permanent magnet is very hard to degausse. I asked about coils in the engine and HE DID NOT THINK it would be a problem. While degaussing old tv sets he said that he was never concerned with the proximity of the degausser to his electronic equipment. Ie: oscilloscopes, signal generators, digital meters. Although there are some coils in these products the edi currents created have not caused any problems. He has volunteered to do some test with an analog multi meter and let me know the results. Also he will check with some of his students that work at hill AFB and see if they can shed more light on the matter and I will post to the list. Hope this helps.. and sorry it took so long to contact my friend. Boyd Ok my friend just got back with me. He took an old analog meter and tested it against an extremely good digital meter using a known voltage supply with a good voltage regulator. After recording the first set of data he proceeded to degauss the analog meter with a quote " heavy magnetic field" multiple times. He then retested the meter against the digital and known voltage source and could see no differences. From his testing it is his opinion that degaussing the airframe should cause no damage to analog or digital devices. Ok now go back and erase the first paragraph, thoughts according to boyd. Guess my thoughts were a bit cautious. Boyd Young KOLB MKIII Utah ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:59 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas. Mark Rinehart MkIII Indianapolis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. http://www.brigham.net/~byoung/gapseal.html not a very good picture,,, but the last picture. boyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.