---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/31/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:36 AM - Merry Christmas ? (planecrazzzy) 2. 03:39 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (icrashrc) 3. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: de gaussing (pj.ladd) 4. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (pj.ladd) 5. 05:48 AM - Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (racerjerry) 6. 05:58 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (Sky Biker Richarson) 7. 06:14 AM - Re: degoussing air frame (lucien) 8. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (robert bean) 9. 06:33 AM - Re: degoussing air frame (John Hauck) 10. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: degoussing air frame (John Hauck) 11. 07:40 AM - Calling John Bowman (Beauford T) 12. 07:58 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN) 13. 08:23 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (Richard Girard) 14. 10:17 AM - Re: FWD Battery Location () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Merry Christmas ? From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, Best way to git whatcha want fer Christmas...? Git it yerself.... Ho ho ho I got Mine.... Found a 0-235 Lycoming ( 118 HP ) and all the "Logs" since new... 900 hrs before TBO Only 4 hrs away in Iowa.... ( $3,300 ) .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. PS Also Got a Spinner as a Bonus... .. Everything is off a Cessna 152.. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279369#279369 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_0_235_l2c_005_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_0_235_l2c_012_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_0_235_l2c_013_135.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Electrical Switch Location From: "icrashrc" Nope, no ideas at all. :-) http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/overhead_console.htm -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279371#279371 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:42 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing This was where the prisoners managed to construct a 2 seat glider to be used in an escape attempt.>> Hi Dana, that glider was rebuilt for a BBC programme and it flew with several of the Colditz glider builders looking on. They were tickled pink that it had actually worked. IThe design was in fact very like the German `Grunau` on which I went solo on 21st March 1965. 3 whole minutes flying with 4 minutes on my second flight. You can tell what the glide angle was like as those launches were on the wire probably to 1000 ft. About the same as a Kolb i guess. Any glider pilot before the war would have known of the Grunau so not really surprising that they built it that shape. Happy New Year Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:40 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply I'm speaking, obviously, of a column that uniformly boosts yer butt upward, not a little dinky thing like ones that lift one wing independently.>> Hi Robert, How do you find those nice big, fat smooth thermals that lift the whole plane on the level?. I have found those condition in the middle of a thermal (sometimes) but I have usually had to go through the `one wing lifting` bit to get there. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply From: "racerjerry" apilot(at)surewest.net wrote: > I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%. My Firestar II builders manual states that CG limits are between 20 and 35 % of wing chord. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279380#279380 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:29 AM PST US From: Sky Biker Richarson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location I have two locations for my switches in the Mark 111. Some of them are loca ted overhead in the foward part of the gap cover and the others that I use most are in a long narrow panel (3" wide alum U shaped extrusion) which con nect to the dash and cable guides between the seats. The master=2C 2 fuel p umps (main & reserve) and switch to show the fuel levels in each tank are i n the ceater all other are located over head and easy to reach. > Date: Wed=2C 30 Dec 2009 19:49:28 -0800 > From: capt_riney@yahoo.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Ste ve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between hi s legs. Unfortunately=2C that won't work for me because I've got dual contr ols and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks i n advance for your ideas. > > Mark Rinehart > MkIII Indianapolis > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: degoussing air frame From: "lucien" Regarding degaussing, I had some success degaussing the airframe on my titan with my Radio Shack soldering iron with the tip removed. It's a big gun-style of about 100 watts, the main coil makes a fairly big 60hz alternating magnetic field. It's also a lot weaker than tape erasers or the big industrial degaussers, so I was able to keep it away from my instruments, just running it over the tubing. Took a while, but since I already had the iron it was free and it seemed to work pretty good. Just a thought, LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279385#279385 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply From: robert bean Pat, if you fly low through the big hills south of here in the summertime you will definitely get more than one or two big lifts. You will be busy opening and closing the throttle to avoid overspeed, followed immediately by near stall and cranking the stick like a butter churn. Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there. I experienced my first aileron flutter in those conditions three years ago. Airspeed can leap to 90 in an instant. BB On 31, Dec 2009, at 7:40 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > I'm speaking, obviously, of a column that uniformly boosts yer butt upward, > not a little dinky thing like ones that lift one wing independently.>> > > Hi Robert, > How do you find those nice big, fat smooth thermals that lift the whole plane on the level?. I have found those condition in the middle of a thermal (sometimes) but I have usually had to go through the `one wing lifting` bit to get there. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:35 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: degoussing air frame Hi Boyd/Gang: Thanks for the info. Would be nice to have an accurate mag compass, but I doubt I will ever do anything with it. I can keep myself on a straight heading, without knowing exactly what that heading is, and eventually find a land mark to get me to an airport or some other suitable landing site if need be. john h From Ok my friend just got back with me. He took an old analog meter and tested it against an extremely good digital meter using a known voltage supply with a good voltage regulator. After recording the first set of data he proceeded to degauss the analog meter with a quote " heavy magnetic field" multiple times. He then retested the meter against the digital and known voltage source and could see no differences. From his testing it is his opinion that degaussing the airframe should cause no damage to analog or digital devices. Boyd Young KOLB MKIII Utah ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:38 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: degoussing air frame Probably need to qualify my comment below. My mag compass is correct at one heading of the compass rose, then gets progressively worse, up to a 90 degree error. However, unless in extreme turbulence, it is relatively steady, allowing me to fly an unknown heading without flying in circles. john h mkIII I can keep myself on a straight heading, without knowing exactly what that heading is, and eventually find a land mark to get me to an airport or some other suitable landing site if need be. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:56 AM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Kolb-List: Calling John Bowman Kolbers: Am attempting to establish off-list contact with Mr. John Bowman from Louisiana who regularly monitors the Kolb List. Mr .Bowman.... Please contact Beauford directly at: beauford173@verizon.net This is about an old Kolb friend. Thank you. Do Not Archive beauford FF-076 Brandon FL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Electrical Switch Location From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" Mark Rinehart wrote: << I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas. >> Hi, Mark - You are not the first Kolb builder to discover that your panel space is limited! For my Mark-3, I built an auxiliary panel located on the aluminum floor panel just beneath the passenger's knees. It was simpler than one would think. Just forward to the front edge of the seat is the aluminum sheet metal floor pan. It slopes at approx 45 degrees at this location, then becomes level for the rest of the floor area up to the rudder pedals. It was in the sloped portion of the pan where I built the auxiliary panel. I cut out a recess - approx 4 x 10 inches - and reinforced it to hold a panel containing all my switches. On this panel are my master switch, starter button, elec fuel pump switch, strobe switch, a 12v power jack (cigar plug style, to power my GPS or handheld radio), and a fuse panel. For that, I used a 2 x 3 inch automotive fuse panel that has six slots for blade-style fuses, which I bought at Pep Boys. That was all the fuses I needed for my Kolb. Because the panel face itself is recessed, the switches are safely out of the way of feet, as your passenger climbs in & out of the airplane. I cannot actually see this auxiliary panel from my seated position in the plane, but I can reach all the switches easily with my right hand. I know all the locations of the switches by feel. If I had a picture of it, I would attach it with this message. Picture = a thousand words, etc. Next time I visit my Kolb, I'll take a picture of my auxiliary panel and post it here. It was a VERY worthwhile modification, and it works great! Dennis Kirby Sandia Park, NM Mark-III, 912ul, Powerfin-72 (the "old" style black variety) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location From: Richard Girard I put the mag switches, push button starter switch and the fuel boost pump switch in an overhead panel so I can find them by touch. The master switch controls the test circuit and the alternator relay. The key switch controls the starter switch only. The master and the key are on the panel so I have to loosen my harness to deal with them. I found out just how much I liked this layout when the fan stopped on a downwind departure. I could reach everything it was practical to check and still fly the airplane. Rick Girard do not archive On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Sky Biker Richarson wrote: > I have two locations for my switches in the Mark 111. Some of them are > located overhead in the foward part of the gap cover and the others that I > use most are in a long narrow panel (3" wide alum U shaped extrusion) which > connect to the dash and cable guides between the seats. The master, 2 fuel > pumps (main & reserve) and switch to show the fuel levels in each tank are > in the ceater all other are located over head and easy to reach. > > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:49:28 -0800 > > From: capt_riney@yahoo.com > > Subject: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't > want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how > Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between > his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual > controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm > thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with > that? Thanks in advance for your ideas. > > > > Mark Rinehart > > MkIII Indianapolis*>================= > > > > > > > > > > * > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:30 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FWD Battery Location Do not have a picture of the forward battery box, but the task was made easier by cutting an access hole in the top of the nose cone with a removeable hatch cover. It is handy for servicing the antenna wiring, the nose ballast and the back of the instrument panel. 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