---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/01/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (Thom Riddle) 2. 06:26 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (Mike Welch) 3. 07:46 AM - Monument Valley 2010 (John Hauck) 4. 08:04 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (John Hauck) 5. 08:54 AM - A little humor for the New Year (Richard Girard) 6. 08:54 AM - Still More MV2008 (John Hauck) 7. 08:55 AM - More MV 2008 (John Hauck) 8. 08:55 AM - And Still More MV2008 (John Hauck) 9. 08:55 AM - MV 2008 (John Hauck) 10. 09:07 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2010 (frank.goodnight) 11. 09:08 AM - Re: Electrical Switch Location (Mike Welch) 12. 10:53 AM - kolb in the distance (robert bean) 13. 11:47 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2010 (John Hauck) 14. 11:48 AM - Re: kolb in the distance (John Hauck) 15. 04:52 PM - Great way to start the year (Richard Girard) 16. 11:02 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 17. 11:08 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Electrical Switch Location From: "Thom Riddle" My two mag switches, aux fuel pump switch and starter switch are located at the front of the seat just below and outside my legs. The two separate mag switches I reach blind with my left hand. The aux fuel pump switch and momentary contact starter toggle switch are operated blind with my right hand. Everything else in on the tiny SS panel which I don't need access to in flight except the landing lights which I can reach with harness on. The EIS controls and elevator trim as well as PTT are on the stick. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279581#279581 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:41 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location Mark=2C There are lots of places where you could locate some switches=2C such as overhead=2C below your knees=2C and on some center console=2C but how about the following?.......... How about considering another very easy accessible place for those switch es=2C etc? Why not mount them on a custom made pod on the door? Back when I had a MkIII Classic front end (before my Xtra conversion)=2C I had mounted the engine throttle on the flip-up door. It worked perfect =2C felt comfortable=2C and swung out of the way when you get in and out. Ok=2C but those doors are now gone! Now that my (new) doors are the Xtra style doors=2C I remade the "door-mo unted throttle" to work with my new style doors. Still works great=2C and everything swings out of the way=2C to get in and out. Now=2C regarding your question: Why not make an instrument/switch pod th at mounts to your door? You could make it out of fiberglass (real easy pro ject)=2C or aluminum (not my preference). This pod could incorporate an ar mrest=2C door handle=2C and flow into an instrument pod. The above door pod suggestion is something I've been kicking around for a while. I just got back home a couple of days ago from Minneapolis=2C visit ing with my oldest son. I used our brand new Garmin Nuvi=2C and I made a s pecial note of where the GPS is most useful and comfortable to use. For me=3B A) I need it low=2C so I can see it properly with reading glasses. B) I need it close=2C about 20" max. Anything further than that=2C and I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy. Therefore=2C with these parameters in mind=2C I've decided to build (out of fiberglass) a custom GPS pod/armrest=2C that will place the GPS where it w ill be the most useful=2C on the door. The GPS's final location would be a bout centered in front of me=2C about 15" in front of my stomach area. (abo ut where you'd hold a magazine to read) The pod would hold one of those GP S panel docks=2C the kind that the Garmin 296 just pops into. (the brand es capes me=2C at the moment). Just a suggestion=2C Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:00 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2010 Morning Gang: Time to start thinking about the 8th Annual Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah, 2010. How's that? The title is as long as the flyin. Mother's Day 2010 is 9 May. Memorial Day is the last Monday, 31 May. Normally we plan on having our flyin the weekend between Mother's Day and Memorial Day. However, this year there are two weekends in between. If you plan on attending, let me know which weekend you prefer: a. 14-16 May b. 21-23 May Based on that info, we'll make a decision on which date to go with. A lot of us shoot to arrive on Thursday before the official start date on Friday, depending on the flying weather. If you haven't attended one of our flyins, you should. You are missing out on what we feel is the best flyin anywhere for Kolb aircraft and Kolb people. Monument Valley is a perfect place for this kind of get together. If you flyin, there is a 4000 foot paved airstrip, auto fuel across the road from the airstrip, beautiful RV Park with a designated area for tent camping, where most of us camp. If drive, there is a nice lodge and also individual cabins and duplexes. There is also a nice restaurant and a grocery store for food and supplies. The convenience store also has fast food available and less expensive than the restaurant. If we luck out, maybe Uncle Craig and Tim will bring their rolling kitchen and cook breakfast for us. ;-) Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:14 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location Mike W/Gang: Wish I had the motivation to make all those changes. I kept all the switches along the bottom right of the instrument panel in front of me. Circuit breakers on the left side along the bottom of the instrument panel. I wear my shoulder harness loose enough to be able to reach the switches. If I need to pull or push a circuit breaker, takes a second to loosen the shoulder harness a little more to reach them. Normally, never have to recycle a breaker. I did fabricate a sheet metal panel which I shock mounted an inch or so nearer the seats. My Garmin GPS is worn on my left thigh with a 2" velcro leg strap because I did not have room on the panel to mount it. Glad I didn't have room on the panel because I like it better on my leg. I wear bifocals and can easily see the gps and operate it. A slight disadvantage of wearing on my thigh is having to look down farther than if it was panel mounted. As my vision slowly deteriorates, I doubt I could see it well enough to use if it was mounted on the panel. Being comfortable in the cockpit and keeping it simple is of primary importance to me. Weather is lousy in Alabama, cold and wet. When the sun comes out it will be cold, low 40s. Happy and healthy new year, folks! Yippee! 4.5 months until time to fly to MV. john h mkIII There are lots of places where you could locate some switches, such as overhead, below your knees, and on some center console, but how about the following?.......... A) I need it low, so I can see it properly with reading glasses. B) I need it close, about 20" max. Anything further than that, and I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy. Just a suggestion, Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: A little humor for the New Year From: Richard Girard I don't particularly like crash videos, but this one had a good outcome for the pilot, or so I've been led to believe, forgive me if I'm wrong. I can't help but wonder if BRS will put this one up on their site as a "save". Probably so since they counted Brad Koji and he did have a bad outcome. http://liveleak.com/view?i=391_1259184903 Cut and paste if the link doesn't open. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:47 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Still More MV2008 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:51 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: More MV 2008 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:53 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: And Still More MV2008 This is the end. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:54 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: MV 2008 Hi Gang: Here are some photos from MV2008. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:01 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2010 Hi folks, Happy to see that someone else is thinking about MV. Last year it was the highlight of my flight exp. Wouldn't miss it for anything. This year I pan to fly.[ last year I trailered ] If anyone is planing to fly along the interstate 10 route in a slow a/c ,I"m in a---55-60-- mph firestar & would love to hook up. Will leave from Brownsville, TX. If someone knows of a better route than Interstate 10, I sure would like to hear about it. This will be my first really long x country with overnight stops along the way and I'm not too sure about the best route. It looks like there will be some long legs and I will have to carry an extra 5 gal gas can and stop somewhere to pour it in my main tanks. I would like to avoid that if I can. If I can't ---at least it is doable. John, either date is fine with me . Count me in. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville ,TX On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:42 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > Morning Gang: > > Time to start thinking about the 8th Annual Kolb Unplanned/ > Unorganized Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah, 2010. How's that? The > title is as long as the flyin. > > Mother's Day 2010 is 9 May. Memorial Day is the last Monday, 31 May. > > Normally we plan on having our flyin the weekend between Mother's > Day and Memorial Day. However, this year there are two weekends in > between. > > If you plan on attending, let me know which weekend you prefer: > > a. 14-16 May > > b. 21-23 May > > Based on that info, we'll make a decision on which date to go with. > > A lot of us shoot to arrive on Thursday before the official start > date on Friday, depending on the flying weather. > > If you haven't attended one of our flyins, you should. You are > missing out on what we feel is the best flyin anywhere for Kolb > aircraft and Kolb people. Monument Valley is a perfect place for > this kind of get together. If you flyin, there is a 4000 foot paved > airstrip, auto fuel across the road from the airstrip, beautiful RV > Park with a designated area for tent camping, where most of us > camp. If drive, there is a nice lodge and also individual cabins > and duplexes. There is also a nice restaurant and a grocery store > for food and supplies. The convenience store also has fast food > available and less expensive than the restaurant. If we luck out, > maybe Uncle Craig and Tim will bring their rolling kitchen and cook > breakfast for us. ;-) > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:31 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location John H/Everybody else=2C Yeah=2C I admit=2C most of the changes I've done are NOT for the faint of heart. Plus=2C after all the delays=2C mods and postponings=2C it's time for me to finish the plane. I'm not going to begin any further stuff until I have the plane finished. Things like "door pods" and other less important paraphernalia will be le ft for later. Mike Welch From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location Mike W/Gang: Wish I had the motivation to make all those changes. I kept all the switches along the bottom right of the instrument panel in f ront of me. Circuit breakers on the left side along the bottom of the inst rument panel. I wear my shoulder harness loose enough to be able to reach the switches. If I need to pull or push a circuit breaker=2C takes a secon d to loosen the shoulder harness a little more to reach them. Normally=2C never have to recycle a breaker. I did fabricate a sheet metal panel which I shock mounted an inch or so nearer the seats. My Garmin GPS is worn on my left thigh with a 2" velcro leg strap because I did not have room on the panel to mount it. Glad I didn't have room on th e panel because I like it better on my leg. I wear bifocals and can easily see the gps and operate it. A slight disadvantage of wearing on my thigh is having to look down farther than if it was panel mounted. As my vision slowly deteriorates=2C I doubt I could see it well enough to use if it was mounted on the panel. Being comfortable in the cockpit and keeping it simple is of primary import ance to me. Weather is lousy in Alabama=2C cold and wet. When the sun comes out it wil l be cold=2C low 40s. Happy and healthy new year=2C folks! Yippee! 4.5 months until time to fly to MV. john h mkIII There are lots of places where you could locate some switches=2C such as overhead=2C below your knees=2C and on some center console=2C but how abou t the following?.......... A) I need it low=2C so I can see it properly with reading glasses. B) I need it close=2C about 20" max. Anything further than that=2C and I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy. Just a suggestion=2C Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:58 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: kolb in the distance A neighbor with a perverted sense of humor caught me on his cell phone: (the interceptor is a bird) no I didn't crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPA1w7FcdiE BB, devoid of ambition today. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:06 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2010 . > This year I pan to fly.[ last year I trailered ] If anyone is planing to > fly along the interstate 10 route in a slow a/c ,I"m in a---55-60-- > mph firestar & would love to hook up. > Will leave from Brownsville, TX. If someone knows of a better route than > Interstate 10, I sure would like to hear about it. This will be my first > really > long x country with overnight stops along the way and I'm not too sure > about the best route. > Frank Goodnight Frank G/Gang: In 1994, I landed at Brownsville on my way around the border to Alaska. >From there I flew generally up the border to Sanderson, Alpine, Fabens, and on to El Paso. Wil Uribe has flown his FS from El Paso to MV several times. He will be able to help you out on the best recommended route from there. Congratulations on your planned attempt at a flight that look like about 1,200 sm. Should be a good one. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:05 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolb in the distance > A neighbor with a perverted sense of humor caught me on his cell phone: > > (the interceptor is a bird) > no I didn't crash. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPA1w7FcdiE > > > BB, devoid of ambition today. BB/Gang: Good thing the bird didn't attack. He looks bigger than your little bitty airplane. john h - With sun shine and 48F. I'm going outside to play. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Great way to start the year From: Richard Girard Dang, it was cold, temps never made it above freezing. The 582 did not want to run. I had to hit the primer over and over to keep it running long enough to warm up, but half way down the runway she took hold and ran like a charm. I already had the radiator 1/3 blocked off and that let her get up to temps. I didn't get much flying time, but I started the year off right, none the less. 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Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:20 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kolb-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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