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1. 08:23 AM - Re: MV 2110 Trip (russ kinne)
2. 08:52 AM - Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
3. 09:28 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (George Alexander)
4. 09:53 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (william sullivan)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
6. 10:37 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
8. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
10. 10:53 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
11. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge (John Hauck)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (b young)
13. 11:05 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Robert Laird)
14. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
15. 11:47 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
16. 11:48 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube (David Kulp)
19. 03:52 PM - Re: MV 2110 Trip (frank.goodnight)
20. 03:54 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
21. 04:01 PM - Comedy act for all Kolbers (David Kulp)
22. 04:07 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (robert bean)
23. 06:12 PM - q (russ kinne)
24. 06:26 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (ces308)
25. 06:31 PM - Re: MV 2110 Trip (John Hauck)
26. 07:03 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
27. 07:59 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Richard Girard)
28. 08:41 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (whiskeyvictor36@aol.com)
29. 08:59 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
30. 11:44 PM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge ()
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Subject: | Re: MV 2110 Trip |
Frank
I see you're planning a big XC trip -- that's great! It's a
wonderful thing to experience in a small plane -- a Kolb should be
ideal.
I've done a lot in Cessnas but smaller would be more fun. I'm sure
your fellow Kolbers will give you detailed advice. ou prolly know
most of this already, but in general -- I like to keep a big
Interstate within sight if not within reach, exp. at night. But
then, Kolbs can land most anywhere. I check the winds aloft & plan
my cruising altitudes. Headwinds will be weaker close to the ground
but the air is rougher. Often a choice between flying low, making
good time and getting bounced around; and flying higher, comfortably
but more slowly. I often alternate when I get tired of flying in
rough air.
I'd suggest carrying a can of fire-inflater; doesn't weigh much and
can be invaluable. I also carry a small fire-extinguisher, and ALWAYS
a bottle of water or juice. When empty it can be an emergency urinal
too. Snapple is a good size. Duct tape too, but better yet is ripstop
parachute/spinnaker mending tape; 2" wide and even in jazzy colors.
Survival gear?- as much as you have room for. At least matches, a
good knife or two, and vise-grips. And a signalling mirror.
For planning I usually follow the Interstates. They put them in the
lowest passes thru the mountains.
You'll get lots of advice on all this! -- John H is the expert.
And you'll have a marvellous time. I'm jealous.
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:04 PM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>
>
> To Wil Uribe Request for info:
>
> Wil , I plan to fly from Brownsville , TX to MV this year, Would
> you please contact me off list , so I can question you about the
> best route from
> somewhere around EL Passo, and what problems I might expect? My
> first time but I have been told you have made the trip several
> times in your firestar.
>
> Frank Goodnight THANKS
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville , TX
>
> frank.goodnight@att,net
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Kolb guys=2C
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I coul
d finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished=2C I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story
=3B
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airp
ort is at the end of my street=2C and I'm the third house from the end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing veh
icles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the ti
me...that is=2C I do NOT plan to fold the wings=2C since I have my 40 x 48
hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a t
owbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap=2C and a movable sciss
or mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground=2C and when necessary=2C rai
se it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts=2C ideas=2C suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer=2C but I am always open to ideas I
may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike Welch wrote:
> I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airport is
at the end of my street C and I'm the third house from the end.
Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?..... fly it
over!"
Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to clear
the 9' posts, I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rather keep it close
to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed, good wheeled dolly
of some design, wing first through the gate by hand. "K" turn it through the
gate if necessary.
How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can't be much.
And what, if any, obstacles are on either side of the gate opening. Do/can
the gates swing all the way back against the fence?
Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing spread.
Worth what you paid for it.......
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
- Mike- Since the gate is always open, have you checked to see if one sid
e can be removed- or quick detachable, like a socket in the ground?- If t
he owner is an agreeable type, and you can do it neatly, it may convenience
other owners as well.
-
do not archive
-
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---------------- Bill Sullivan
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---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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---------------- FS 447
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike,
Cheaper and simpler than a trailer, might be to offer to rebuild the
airport gate so your plane fits through it, at your expense... and then
just taxi it from your hangar.
Otherwise, build a trailer to tow the plane sideways, and lift just the
tail if necessary to clear the gate.
-Dana
At 11:44 AM 1/4/2010, Mike Welch wrote:
>Kolb guys,
>
> I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I
> could finish it in about two months.
>
> Once my plane is finished, I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story;
>
> I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This
> airport is at the end of my street, and I'm the third house from the end.
>There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing
>vehicles.
> I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the
> time...that is, I do NOT plan to fold the wings, since I have my 40 x 48
> hangar I built last year (on my property).
>
> I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the
> airport entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always
> open. The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9
> feet tall. Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar
> to inside the airport.
>
> I am looking for trailer ideas.
>A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
>B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
>road).
>C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
>D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch, etc)
>
> My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a
> towbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap, and a movable
> scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
>by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
> I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground, and when necessary, raise
> it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
>
> Any engineering type guys have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?? I
> know I can build a very workable trailer, but I am always open to ideas I
> may not have thought of.
>
>Waddayathink??
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike
Forget the trailer spend the money on a wider gate. Offer to pay or do
it yourself?????
Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the
gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport
that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to
enter. Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must
be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want
to check on this.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I
could finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished, I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the
story;
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This
airport is at the end of my street, and I'm the third house from the
end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between
seeing vehicles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all
the time...that is, I do NOT plan to fold the wings, since I have my 40
x 48 hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the
airport entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always
open. The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9
feet tall. Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar
to inside the airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except
for my road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch,
etc)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit
with a towbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap, and a
movable scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground, and when necessary,
raise it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer, but I am always open to ideas
I may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Hi George=2C I'll answer your questions one at a time......
> Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?.....
fly it over!"
Interesting that you said that previous statement. Last summer=2C I was
standing at the end of my driveway=2C eyeballing the path of a possible lan
ding on my front yard( while my neighbor mowed his lawn). The next day=2C
he planted a line of trees along his property line. Obviously he was think
ing "don't get any ideas!!
> Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to
clear the 9' posts=2C I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rather
keep it close to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed=2C g
ood wheeled dolly of some design=2C wing first through the gate by hand. "K
" turn it through the gate if necessary.
See=2C I knew some sharp guy was going to suggest something I hadn't thoug
ht of! Build a turntable mechanism=2C or better yet=2C build the trailer t
o allow the plane to roll on and off diagonally (providing the plane will p
ass through diagonally) Hmmm??? I'll have to make some measurements to s
ee if a diagonal pass will work.
> How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can't
be much. And what=2C if any=2C obstacles are on either side of the gate op
ening. Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence?
I measured the gap of the gate last summer=2C but I can't remember now.
The posts allow for two normal width lanes of traffic to enter the airport
=2C so I'm guessing a gap of around 20 to 22 feet. I know it is close to t
hese figures=2C I just can't remember exactly. My plane is real close to 2
4 1/2 feet.
The left gate swings inline with the road=2C just enough to clear the asp
halt. The other gate swings more out of the way=2C but not ALL the way.
Your idea of raising the tail to go through the opening is an idea I pond
ered awhile back. This MAY be the best idea=2C yet. I haven't "designed"
any trailer structure to go this method=2C but it definitely has merit.
> Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing sp
read.
One thing to consider is whatever I come up with=2C it has to allow for a
lmost NO "slowdown". In other words=2C I can't pull up to the gate=2C and
start farting around with some gizmo that takes a minute or two. I'll lose
friends rapidly if I block the entrance. I will need to pretty much drive
through unimpeded=2C slowing down for no more than a few seconds.
> Worth what you paid for it.......
Actually=2C worth more than I paid for it. Both of your suggestions will
get more investigation! Thanks=2C George.
Mike Welch
> --------
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> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Hi Bill=2C
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport. Last summer=2C 100%
of the perimeter fencing=2C plus this entrance gate were replaced with tal
ler (from 6' to 8') fencing and gate.
Evidently too many deer were getting in the airport and the management th
ought it would be a great way to spend some federal money.
The posts are 6" pipes=2C set deep into concrete=2C 9' tall. I can guara
ntee the airport people wouldn't even give me the benefit of an answer if I
asked to change the posts.
I could do this type of post relocation....neatly. It's not far from wha
t I did as a career.
I did the "removable post" thing for getting my truck and tractor(backhoe)
into my side yard years ago.
But these posts are HUGE!!! I doubt I could pick one up=2C anymore. Plu
s=2C whatever I come up with must not take more than 10 seconds maximum to
get me through.
No=2C I'm the only goofball that wants to bring his airplane to an airpor
t through the car entrance.
Thanks for the reply=2C though.
Mike Welch
From: williamtsullivan@att.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Mike- Since the gate is always open=2C have you checked to see if one sid
e can be removed- or quick detachable=2C like a socket in the ground? If t
he owner is an agreeable type=2C and you can do it neatly=2C it may conveni
ence other owners as well.
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks=2C Ct.
FS 447
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hi Dana=2C
If I thought the airport types would let me relocate the gate (only one g
ate would need to be moved)=2C I'd ask. But=2C seeing as how this gate is
less than a year old=2C and built with federal money=2C I can safely say "d
on't waste your time"=2C to myself.
Example: Since this is a county airport=2C I see a county commision hear
ing=2C environmental review=2C traffic study to determine the community ben
efit=2C review process=2C public hearings=2C more review process=2C approva
l=2C conditions to approval=2C permit=2C soils report=2C engineering review
=2C insurance policy=2C post a construction bond=2C do the work=2C reinspe
ction.
In the meantime=2C I died of old age. : (
I think I'll go out to my hangar=2C and take some measurements. Plus=2C
I'll run down to the airport gates and take a new accurate gap reading.
Yeah=2C I think you're right. Either the diagonal method=2C or the lift
a tail method=2C or a combination of the tow is going to be the way to go.
Back in a while........
Mike Welch
From: d-m-hague@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C
Cheaper and simpler than a trailer=2C might be to offer to rebuild the airp
ort gate so your plane fits through it=2C at your expense... and then just
taxi it from your hangar.
Otherwise=2C build a trailer to tow the plane sideways=2C and lift just the
tail if necessary to clear the gate.
-Dana
At 11:44 AM 1/4/2010=2C Mike Welch wrote:
Kolb guys=2C
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I coul
d finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished=2C I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story
=3B
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airp
ort is at the end of my street=2C and I'm the third house from the end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing veh
icles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the ti
me...that is=2C I do NOT plan to fold the wings=2C since I have my 40 x 48
hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a t
owbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap=2C and a movable sciss
or mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground=2C and when necessary=2C rai
se it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts=2C ideas=2C suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer=2C but I am always open to ideas I
may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Rick=2C
The new FAA rule doesn't apply in my case. The FAA wants to stop AIRPLAN
ES from coming through fences to get to an airport=2C like at some of those
airport communities
where you can taxi from your hangar to the active runway.
Nope=2C can't forget the trailer idea. It's gonna have to be that=2C but
thanks=2C though.
Mike Welch
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike
Forget the trailer spend the money on a wider gate. Offer to pay or do it y
ourself?????
Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the ga
te operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport that h
as or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to enter. Can you
imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked on a ex
pressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on this.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
Sent: Monday=2C January 04=2C 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys=2C
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I coul
d finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished=2C I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story
=3B
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airp
ort is at the end of my street=2C and I'm the third house from the end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing veh
icles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the ti
me...that is=2C I do NOT plan to fold the wings=2C since I have my 40 x 48
hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a t
owbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap=2C and a movable sciss
or mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground=2C and when necessary=2C rai
se it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts=2C ideas=2C suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer=2C but I am always open to ideas I
may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Why did you build the hanger on your property, rather than the airport?
Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate, I'd take time
to investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.
Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have
no other alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready, before and
after flying, the less the Kolb will be flown.
How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you
trailering 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.
And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the
last 25 years. ;-)
john h
mkIII - 31F at 1255, hauck's holler, alabama. Too cold to play with the
airplane.
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Mike
It seems that in some of the magazines there have been stands that you can
buy to put in a hanger that can raise a plane off the floor so another can
be parked under it. If you could buy one of them and mount it on a
trailer,,, pull up to the gate raise it up, go through, let it down.
Make sure the base of the trailer is secure enough so it won't tip over if
a gust of wind hit it. Seems like someone has already done the
engineering, but maybe it is only for nose draggers,,, you may have to
check.
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
John H.=2C
Because the hangar/shop is 50 feet from my house=2C and I built the hanga
r on my property because it is my hangar=2C and I didn't want to get involv
ed with airport leasing=2C etc=2C etc=2C etc.
Besides=2C I built an apartment in the back of the hangar=2C where my wif
e and I lived for a year=2C while I built my house=2C which is almost done.
Trailering=2C when it is rolled onto a metal frame=2C pulled 1200 feet=2C
and rolled off the metal frame is hardly "trailering". This the point why
I want it to remain 100% together=2C wings spread=2C gassed up=2C whatever
. Not trailered in the normal sense of the word. Roll in on=2C pull it to
the airport=2C roll it off. Simple plan. (just got to get through that d
arn gate)
Don't care much about what city officials say. I live well south of town
and I can move the plane quite easily without worrying about an traffic.
I haven't had a car drive past my house today in three hours.
Mike Welch
From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Why did you build the hanger on your property=2C rather than the airport?
Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate=2C I'd take time to
investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.
Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have no o
ther alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready=2C before and after f
lying=2C the less the Kolb will be flown.
How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you trailerin
g 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.
And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the last 2
5 years. =3B-)
john h
mkIII - 31F at 1255=2C hauck's holler=2C alabama. Too cold to play with th
e airplane.
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Boyd=2C
Your idea of the "airplane lift" is close to what I would design=2C if I
were to go that route.
I considered the U-frame=2C with the inner scissor mechanism platform=2C wh
ere the platform "scissors" by way of a winch cable=2C raising the inner pl
atform.
Still=2C I like the idea of the diagonal position. I'm going to run down
and get some measurements....
Thanks=2C Mike
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Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike
It seems that in some of the magazines there have been stands that you can
buy to put in a hanger that can raise a plane off the floor so another can
be parked under it. If you could buy one of them and mount it on a trail
er=2C=2C=2C pull up to the gate raise it up=2C go through=2C let it down.
Make sure the base of the trailer is secure enough so it won=92t tip ove
r if a gust of wind hit it. Seems like someone has already done the engi
neering=2C but maybe it is only for nose draggers=2C=2C=2C you may have
to check.
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Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Kolb guys=2C
Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got
=3B
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w
as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent
er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab
out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente
r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if
one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if
I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou
nt will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube |
Hi Steve,
The FlagFly is a total blast. The airstrip where I have it was sold
the first of the year. Butch, the previous owner, said it would remain
an airstrip, but I haven't heard from the new owner yet. I'll attach a
couple of pics flying down and over my house and back to the strip,
where my dog is waiting in the pickup. Sent them to Don G., who built
it, and he emailed back that looking out under those stars and stripes
made him "giddy." I understand why; he did one heck of a fine job
building it. The paint job alone is a labor of love!
Dave
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Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Flying the lazy river on Youtube
Possums,
Was it you who posted a Youtube video flying down a picturesque river with
some classy background music?? I saw it in the era when the video where
you
were chasing ducks was posted.
Reason I ask is I have a friend, Jim, who is a pilot for Continental (and
won this year's Iron Butt Motorcycle Rally - 12,700 miles in 11 days!!)
and
I'm trying to whet his appetite for a Kolb. That was one of the best videos
of low and slow I've seen, and of course a Kolb is one of the best flyin'
machines to do it in.
Hope you see this because I can't contact you off line. I just got a new
computer and my primary success in transferring my email address book from
my external hard drive to my new computer has been to frustrate myself.
Woe
is me! Genuine unadulterated concentrated woe.
Happy New Year to you and everyone on the list!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
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Subject: | Re: MV 2110 Trip |
Hi Russ,
Thanks for your thoughts, I am going to add some sailcloth tape to my
fly away kit , seems like it's necessary that I rip a hole in my
fabric at least once a week. I've been
using Gorilla brand duct tape, the wide stuff, works good but I bet
your idea is better.
I've been a pilot for a long time , but have done very little flying
in the last 30 years [ no airplane ] . What little flying I have done
has been ,around the patch , sunday afternoon,
in good weather. My x country time is zero , I'm excited about the
upcoming trip , but also nervous . Anything that you or anyone else
can tell me that would make the trip
safer or more enjoyable I would sure like to hear. I believe the more
knowledge I'm exposed to and the more options I have the better off I
am, if some of it is redundant
info , so what can't hurt a thing.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
HKS engine 120 hrs
Brownsville , TX
On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:58 AM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Frank
> I see you're planning a big XC trip -- that's great! It's a
> wonderful thing to experience in a small plane -- a Kolb should be
> ideal.
> I've done a lot in Cessnas but smaller would be more fun. I'm sure
> your fellow Kolbers will give you detailed advice. ou prolly know
> most of this already, but in general -- I like to keep a big
> Interstate within sight if not within reach, exp. at night. But
> then, Kolbs can land most anywhere. I check the winds aloft & plan
> my cruising altitudes. Headwinds will be weaker close to the ground
> but the air is rougher. Often a choice between flying low, making
> good time and getting bounced around; and flying higher, comfortably
> but more slowly. I often alternate when I get tired of flying in
> rough air.
> I'd suggest carrying a can of fire-inflater; doesn't weigh much and
> can be invaluable. I also carry a small fire-extinguisher, and
> ALWAYS a bottle of water or juice. When empty it can be an emergency
> urinal too. Snapple is a good size. Duct tape too, but better yet is
> ripstop parachute/spinnaker mending tape; 2" wide and even in jazzy
> colors. Survival gear?- as much as you have room for. At least
> matches, a good knife or two, and vise-grips. And a signalling mirror.
> For planning I usually follow the Interstates. They put them in the
> lowest passes thru the mountains.
> You'll get lots of advice on all this! -- John H is the expert.
> And you'll have a marvellous time. I'm jealous.
> Fair winds,
> Russ K
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:04 PM, frank.goodnight wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>>
>> To Wil Uribe Request for info:
>>
>> Wil , I plan to fly from Brownsville , TX to MV this year, Would
>> you please contact me off list , so I can question you about the
>> best route from
>> somewhere around EL Passo, and what problems I might expect? My
>> first time but I have been told you have made the trip several
>> times in your firestar.
>>
>> Frank Goodnight THANKS
>> Firestar 2
>> Brownsville , TX
>>
>> frank.goodnight@att,net
>>
>>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
At 01:21 PM 1/4/2010, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>
>Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the
>gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport
>that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to enter.
>Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked
>on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on this.
This only applies to people who own property directly adjacent to the
airport, and cross the property line through a private access. It does NOT
apply (yet) to people who trailer their planes through the public airport
gate from another location.
-Dana
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Subject: | Comedy act for all Kolbers |
Everyone!
My bro sent me this link. What a hoot!!! You'll love it.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike, take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing
on.
I like the diagonal approach ---or maybe knife edge? :)
BB
On 4, Jan 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Kolb guys,
>
> Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I
got;
>
> The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the
gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
>
> My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the
center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add
about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3'
center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide
overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer
to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".
>
> I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's
outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal
trailer mount will work. More on this one later..
>
> Thanks for everyone's input.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
>
> Robert,
>
> I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front
runners.
>
> You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube
support
> (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets,
this may not be a bad idea.
>
> Thanks Robert, Mike
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> From: rlaird@cavediver.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the
gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up
the wing and gap seal.
>
> Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other
solution.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
>
>
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List, I apologise. I told the confuser to send that only to Frank.
Sorry.
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Hello...
I looked at a M3C last year on floats ,and it had a pretty neat trailer to get
it a short way to the water....take a look and imagine ! The neat thing about
this was the tongue ...it had a hitch on both sides and it slid from one end to
the other so he could run it up on the trailer ...pull it up on shore then push
the tongue all the way though ...pin it ...tie the tail to the tongue and
tow it home....then it's all set to put back in the water !
good luck !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: MV 2110 Trip |
My x country time is zero , I'm excited about the
> upcoming trip , but also nervous . Anything that you or anyone else can
> tell me that would make the trip
> safer or more enjoyable I would sure like to hear.
> Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Gang:
I've been flying Kolbs cross country for a while.
When I decided to start flying extremely long, multi-day/week cross
countries, I decided to do an overnight flight to check if I had everything
I needed and determine things that I did not need.
This first overnight flight confirmed what I needed to take with me on the
longer flights.
The primary requirement for me is to be comfortable and get a good night's
sleep. I have to have a good tent that has been tested in wet and windy
weather, a good Thermarest air mattress, pillow, sleeping bag, etc. I have
the luxury of more cargo space than you do, so you may not want to bring a
pillow, but use your dirty clothes bag for a pillow.
The best way to know what it is going to take for you is to get out there
and do overnight cross country flights. If you can be comfortable for one
night, you should be comfortable for a month or more.
It takes as much preparation for a one night flight as it does for a 30
night flight.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hey Big Bob=2C
I realize that if I were to go with the "one wing folded" approach that i
t would be VERY side-heavy. What I would have done is incorporate a cushio
ned cradle to support and brace that one extended wing. [ In other words
=2C I would have allowed for that : ) ]
After measuring the new gate opening width=2C and finding out it is 27 fe
et wide=2C I'm real tempted to try to go with the sideways tow idea. Here'
s why=3B
Remember=2C my main preference is have the plane stay 100% flyable at all
times. Folding even one wing is more than I would prefer not to do. I'd
do it=2C but I'd rather not=2C if something else will allow the plane to st
ay fully "flight ready". I really would like it to simply roll onto a trai
ler=2C secure it with bungies and velcro straps=2C and roll home.
Since the gate opening is 27 feet=2C and the overall length nose to tail
is around 24 feet=2C I'm tempted to make an executive decision=2C and just
go with that sideways tow idea. This would allow me to make a trailer that
the plane would roll onto from the side. (onto runners=2C most likely) It
could allow me to keep both wings fully extended (and everything=2C for th
at matter). The plane would tow fairly easily between the 27 foot gap.
Now=2C I need to come up with a decent=2C very low=2C trailer=2C with run
ners for a side loading.
Thanks for everybody's input=2C
Mike Welch
From: slyck@frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing o
n.
I like the diagonal approach ---or maybe knife edge? :)
BB
On 4=2C Jan 2010=2C at 3:19 PM=2C Mike Welch wrote:
Kolb guys=2C
Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got
=3B
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w
as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent
er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab
out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente
r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if
one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if
I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou
nt will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike, Harbor Freight sells car dollies that have castering wheels for about
$40 a pair. If you made a tail boom dolly from one of their mover's dolly,
usually on sale for $10, which also has casters, you'd be all set to go
through that gate sideways for less than $100.
Just a thought.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Big Bob,
>
> I realize that if I were to go with the "one wing folded" approach that
> it would be VERY side-heavy. What I would have done is incorporate a
> cushioned cradle to support and brace that one extended wing. [ In other
> words, I would have allowed for that : ) ]
>
> After measuring the new gate opening width, and finding out it is 27 feet
> wide, I'm real tempted to try to go with the sideways tow idea. Here's why;
>
> Remember, my main preference is have the plane stay 100% flyable at all
> times. Folding even one wing is more than I would prefer not to do. I'd do
> it, but I'd rather not, if something else will allow the plane to stay fully
> "flight ready". I really would like it to simply roll onto a trailer,
> secure it with bungies and velcro straps, and roll home.
> Since the gate opening is 27 feet, and the overall length nose to tail is
> around 24 feet, I'm tempted to make an executive decision, and just go with
> that sideways tow idea. This would allow me to make a trailer that the
> plane would roll onto from the side. (onto runners, most likely) It could
> allow me to keep both wings fully extended (and everything, for that
> matter). The plane would tow fairly easily between the 27 foot gap.
>
> Now, I need to come up with a decent, very low, trailer, with runners for
> a side loading.
>
> Thanks for everybody's input,
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: slyck@frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:25:36 -0500
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Mike, take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing on.
>
> I like the diagonal approach ---or maybe knife edge? :)
> BB
>
> On 4, Jan 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
> Kolb guys,
>
> Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
>
> The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
> was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
>
> My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center
> section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3
> feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section,
> plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear =* 20' wide *overall (if one wing
> were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with
> a "one-wing folded design".
>
> I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
> dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
> will work. More on this one later..
>
> Thanks for everyone's input.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
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> From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
>
> Robert,
>
> I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners.
>
> You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
> (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may
> not be a bad idea.
>
> Thanks Robert, Mike
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> From: rlaird@cavediver.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
> no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
> gap seal.
>
> Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
>
> -- Robert
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Hello All Kolbers,
If nothing else, this has been a very entertaining discussion. This is
the kind of stuff I like to read. Some funny and some serious. With all the
input, it sounds like Mike is closing in on an answer to his dilemma.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar (sitting in its hangar/cold & windy)
Audubon, NJ
In a message dated 1/4/2010 1:52:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes:
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch, etc)
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Yup=2C Bill=2C I think you're right.
Luckily=2C when the airport people replaced all the fencing last year at th
e airport=2C they widened the gate a few feet. With a clearance of 27 feet
=2C this makes it very possible to just tow the plane sideways. This also
lets me keep the plane 100% assembled=2C ready to fly.
Rick G. also just suggested a real good idea=2C too. Since I already have
that heavy duty tailboom dolly I built a couple of years ago=2C and I don't
need to raise the plane into the air=2C all I need is a dolly to carry jus
t the main wheels.
He thinks I could get by with a couple (maybe more) of those Harbor Freight
wheels=2C and some steel tubing=2C etc. I think he's right.
Thanks for everyone's input=2C I appreciate it a lot.
Mike Welch
From: whiskeyvictor36@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Hello All Kolbers=2C
If nothing else=2C this has been a very entertaining discussion. This is t
he kind of stuff I like to read. Some funny and some serious. With all th
e input=2C it sounds like Mike is closing in on an answer to his dilemma.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar (sitting in its hangar/cold & windy)
Audubon=2C NJ
In a message dated 1/4/2010 1:52:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C mdnanwelc
h7@hotmail.com writes:
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
How about building your trailer with one side higher than the other, if you
need to clear 9 ft on one side only the other wing only needs to be 18 inchs
off the ground , with a wide undercarrage on the trailer,trolly it should
still remain stable for towing.
Downunder
MK111c
Regards
Tony
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to give a comfortable clearanceFrom: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
>
> Hello...
>
> I looked at a M3C last year on floats ,and it had a pretty neat trailer to
> get it a short way to the water....take a look and imagine ! The neat
> thing about this was the tongue ...it had a hitch on both sides and it
> slid from one end to the other so he could run it up on the trailer
> ...pull it up on shore then push the tongue all the way though ...pin it
> ...tie the tail to the tongue and tow it home....then it's all set to put
> back in the water !
>
> good luck !
>
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/Jab
> N327CS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280155#280155
>
>
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