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4. 08:02 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (b young)
6. 08:50 AM - (b young)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (pj.ladd)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
9. 10:02 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (HGRAFF@aol.com)
10. 10:37 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
11. 03:13 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Tom Longo)
12. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (robert bean)
13. 04:43 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (russ kinne)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (robert bean)
15. 06:15 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Tom Longo)
16. 09:57 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike,
Take a look at the mechanism employed on pontoon boat trailers.
G.Aman
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Hi George, I'll answer your questions one at a time......
> Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?....
. fly it over!"
Interesting that you said that previous statement. Last summer, I was
standing at the end of my driveway, eyeballing the path of a possible lan
ding on my front yard( while my neighbor mowed his lawn). The next day,
he planted a line of trees along his property line. Obviously he was thi
nking "don't get any ideas!!
> Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough
to clear the 9' posts, I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rath
er keep it close to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed,
good wheeled dolly of some design, wing first through the gate by hand.
"K" turn it through the gate if necessary.
See, I knew some sharp guy was going to suggest something I hadn't though
t of! Build a turntable mechanism, or better yet, build the trailer to al
low the plane to roll on and off diagonally (providing the plane will pass
through diagonally) Hmmm??? I'll have to make some measurements to see
if a diagonal pass will work.
> How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can'
t be much. And what, if any, obstacles are on either side of the gate open
ing. Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence?
I measured the gap of the gate last summer, but I can't remember now.
The posts allow for two normal width lanes of traffic to enter the airpor
t, so I'm guessing a gap of around 20 to 22 feet. I know it is close to
these figures, I just can't remember exactly. My plane is real close to
24 1/2 feet.
The left gate swings inline with the road, just enough to clear the asph
alt. The other gate swings more out of the way, but not ALL the way.
Your idea of raising the tail to go through the opening is an idea I pon
dered awhile back. This MAY be the best idea, yet. I haven't "designed"
any trailer structure to go this method, but it definitely has merit.
> Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing
spread.
One thing to consider is whatever I come up with, it has to allow for al
most NO "slowdown". In other words, I can't pull up to the gate, and star
t farting around with some gizmo that takes a minute or two. I'll lose fr
iends rapidly if I block the entrance. I will need to pretty much drive
through unimpeded, slowing down for no more than a few seconds.
> Worth what you paid for it.......
Actually, worth more than I paid for it. Both of your suggestions will
get more investigation! Thanks, George.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
John,
That was back in the day when BS was naturally generated.The new Federally
generated kind is more difficult to navigate.
G.Aman
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From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Why did you build the hanger on your property, rather than the airport?
Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate, I'd take time to
investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.
Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have no
other alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready, before and after
flying, the less the Kolb will be flown.
How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you traileri
ng 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.
And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the last
25 years. ;-)
john h
mkIII - 31F at 1255, hauck's holler, alabama. Too cold to play with the
airplane.
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the cente
r section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about
3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center sect
ion, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one win
g were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went
with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer moun
t will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners
.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this ma
y not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate,
at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution
.
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Mike=2C
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
Gary=2C
After I measured the new gate opening=2C and finding it is actually 27' w
ide=2C I think I can just make a simple dolly device to carry just the main
wheels. I already have the tailboom dolly. I would need to connect a sim
ple brace to tie the main wheel dolly and the tailboom dolly=2C and it woul
d act as the towbar=2C too.
My tailboom dolly has castors. The main wheel dolly will not=2C because
I need the plane to track directly
behind my ATV.
When I experimented with a model airplane=2C it appears that the best cle
arance is 90 degrees (sideways). As I rotated the model plane=2C the hor.
stabilizer forced the airplane to have a wider clearance requirement.
From all the information I have thus far=2C it looks like I'm A-OK with a
simple sideways mount trailer or main wheel dolly. (24' long plane going
through a 27' gate opening.)
Still=2C I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')...
.if I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to j
ust squeeze through.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Years ago while visiting in Washington state, I saw a kolb on a hand pull
trailer. The plane sat on the trailer sideways, left wing to the
front right wing to the rear, nose to the right,,, well you get the idea.
I don't know the dimensions of your mkIII classic/extra, but that may
just be to easy. The kolb info packet shows the length of the original
mkIII as 22'6"
Boyd Young
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Still, I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')....if
I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to just
squeeze through.
Mike Welch
When you get to the gate take some chalk and mark your tire position,,,
when you are happy with the location, take a can of spray paint and paint
a small dot, or row of dots.
I would envision a trailer with a long c channel for the tail wheel.
lift the tail wheel into the c channel.then push the plane back to the ramps
for the main gear, have them mounted on a pivot, or teeter totter 5 ft on
one side 1 ft on the other. with the plane on the ground the ramp ends
would hit the ground,,,, when the plane is on the trailer, the wheels
would be just past the pivot point of the ramp and hold the ramps off the
ground. You may only have to roll the plane up 4 inches or so for
clearance.
Boyd
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Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>>
Hi Robert,
I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and
dont start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at
cloud base, I tend to go low.
I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a
real stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the
bastards seem to start at 10 knots and then build..
I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain
a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if
I feel lucky.
Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red
Arrows` (RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed
varied by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I
offered mt passenger the stick and the speed and the height indicators just
stopped moving as it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hi Boyd=2C
Sounds like that trailer would be exactly what I need.
In a previous email=2C I stated it looks like the narrowest method to tow
a completely assembled Kolb MkIII is to go totally at 90 degrees sideways.
Any skewing appears to require more clearance.
Since my MkIII has a TNK Co.'s OEM Xtra nosecone=2C and all the fuselage
tubing was built as precisely as I could measure to a genuine Xtra's dimens
ions=2C my MkIII will reflect almost identical dimensions of a factory buil
t Xtra.
I just went out to my shop and measured the length=2C from nose to tail.
I come up with VERY close to 23' 6". (this is with the rudder swung over
as much as possible=2C shortening up the overall length a couple of inches
.)
This all appears as good news to me. I've got to get a 23' 6" airplane t
hrough a 27' wide gate opening. Sounds fairly easy to me to plan on buildi
ng a "main wheel dolly" that tracks directly behind my ATV.
Time to sketch out some ideas for dollies.
(Where is Uncle Craig when you need him? ha ha)
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
Years ago while visiting in Washington state=2C I saw a kolb on a hand p
ull trailer. The plane sat on the trailer sideways=2C left wing to
the front right wing to the rear=2C nose to the right=2C=2C=2C well you
get the idea. I don=92t know the dimensions of your mkIII classic/extr
a=2C but that may just be to easy. The kolb info packet shows the length
of the original mkIII as 22=926=94
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike,
I would be considering a Lift Strut extensions that would raise the wings
to 10 feet, at 10 feet out from center.
Maybe even a fancy telescoping Lift Strut, that is electrically driven
between transport and flying condition?
Herb Graff
Mark III, 246KT
In a message dated 1/4/2010 11:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes:
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hi Herb=2C
Doesn't hit me as a good idea to modify the plane like that=2C Herb. If
a wing were to be raised that high=2C I'd have to unhook the aileron contro
l=2C etc. Plus=2C the wing mount wouldn't allow for such a high angle. Al
l these things are what I'm trying to avoid.
Fortunately=2C as it turns out=2C the gate opening is 27' and in the side
ways position=2C my plane is 23' 6". So=2C sideways it is!!
Now=2C all I have to do is come up with a very nice design=2C well-built
trailer to tow the plane sideways.
Mike Welch
From: HGRAFF@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C
I would be considering a Lift Strut extensions that would raise the wings t
o 10 feet=2C at 10 feet out from center.
Maybe even a fancy telescoping Lift Strut=2C that is electrically driven be
tween transport and flying condition?
Herb Graff
Mark III=2C 246KT
In a message dated 1/4/2010 11:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C mdnanwel
ch7@hotmail.com writes:
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport e
ntrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The g
ap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall. Si
mply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the a
irport.
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100
put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with
one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just
a few seconds to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center
section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3
feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section,
plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were
folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a
"one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
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Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may
not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
_____
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com <mailto:rlaird@cavediver.com>
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
Pat, you have a good point there. If I maintain 30 ft above the ground the thermals
should be mild.
Unfortunately where I was flying that absurdly boisterous day, the terrain was
too vertical to allow.
I'm more a fair weather flyer now although I know one needs some bumpier air to
keep your reactions up to par.
BB
nippy here in the northeast US.
On 5, Jan 2010, at 11:54 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>>
>
> Hi Robert,
> I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and dont
start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at cloud base,
I tend to go low.
> I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a real
stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the bastards
seem to start at 10 knots and then build..
>
> I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain
a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if I
feel lucky.
>
> Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red Arrows`
(RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed varied
by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I offered mt passenger
the stick and the speed and the height indicators just stopped moving as
it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote:
> Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less
> than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up
> and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as
> you are in, will take just a few seconds to do so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-
> server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
>
> Mike,
> Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
> G.Aman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
>
> Kolb guys,
>
> Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what
> I got;
>
> The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought
> the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate
> opening.
>
> My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for
> the center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd
> have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one
> wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear
> = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam
> dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".
>
> I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's
> outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal
> trailer mount will work. More on this one later..
>
> Thanks for everyone's input.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
>
> Robert,
>
> I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front
> runners.
>
> You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube
> support
> (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets,
> this may not be a bad idea.
>
> Thanks Robert, Mike
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> From: rlaird@cavediver.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the
> gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting
> up the wing and gap seal.
>
> Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other
> solution.
>
> -- Robert
>
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sorry guys, thought that was direct.
do not archive
On 5, Jan 2010, at 7:20 PM, robert bean wrote:
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> Pat, you have a good point there. If I maintain 30 ft above the ground the thermals
should be mild.
> Unfortunately where I was flying that absurdly boisterous day, the terrain was
too vertical to allow.
>
> I'm more a fair weather flyer now although I know one needs some bumpier air
to keep your reactions up to par.
> BB
> nippy here in the northeast US.
>
> On 5, Jan 2010, at 11:54 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
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>> Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>>
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>> Hi Robert,
>> I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and dont
start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at cloud base,
I tend to go low.
>> I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a real
stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the bastards
seem to start at 10 knots and then build..
>>
>> I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain
a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if
I feel lucky.
>>
>> Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red Arrows`
(RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed varied
by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I offered mt passenger
the stick and the speed and the height indicators just stopped moving
as it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Depends on how high the fence is, he said opening is 27 feet wide, so if it
is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already, should not take much
lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of room
before it hits the ground.
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote:
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100
put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with
one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just
a few seconds to do so.
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
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From: Mike Welch < mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center
section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3
feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section,
plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were
folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a
"one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
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Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may
not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com <mailto:rlaird@cavediver.com>
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
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Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Tom=2C
Thanks for the suggestion=2C but here are some key points to consider.
I don't have any trailer to carry the Kolb at this time=2C so whatever I
come up with=2C I have to make.
That wouldn't a problem=2C I've made a couple "car carrier" trailers in t
he past=2C but I don't want something that large. (actually=2C I have a 5
ton flatbed trailer for my backhoe=2C which I used to move my plane here=2C
but it's waaaay too heavy for my ATV!!)
Remember=2C I'm not trying to "tow" the plane very far=2C only 1/4 mile
=2C to at the end of my road. What I'm looking for is more like a "dolly"
than a true airplane trailer.
When I thought the gate clearance was 20-22 feet=2C I considered building
a trailer pretty close to what you have in mind. Doesn't look like I need
to go this route=2C though.
While I believe what you suggest will work=2C it would be MUCH more compl
ex to build than necessary. Especially=2C since I've mentioned my plane is
23' 6" long...going through the 27' wide opening=2C and it can be towed si
deways.
So far=2C it appears as though Boyd has the best towing solution for me.
Thanks for the suggestion=2C though.
Mike Welch
From: tclongo@att.net
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Depends on how high the fence is=2C he said opening is 27 feet wide=2C so i
f it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already=2C should not take
much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of roo
m before it hits the ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
Sent: Tuesday=2C January 05=2C 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5=2C 2010=2C at 6:09 PM=2C Tom Longo wrote:
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100
put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with
one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in=2C will take ju
st a few seconds to do so.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday=2C January 05=2C 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon=2C Jan 4=2C 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys=2C
Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got
=3B
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w
as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent
er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab
out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente
r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if
one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if
I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou
nt will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
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From: rlaird@cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
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