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Tue 01/05/10


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     1. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge (zeprep251@AOL.COM)
     2. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Trailer challenge (zeprep251@aol.com)
     3. 06:01 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (zeprep251@aol.com)
     4. 08:02 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
     5. 08:36 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (b young)
     6. 08:50 AM -  (b young)
     7. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (pj.ladd)
     8. 09:13 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
     9. 10:02 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (HGRAFF@aol.com)
    10. 10:37 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
    11. 03:13 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Tom Longo)
    12. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (robert bean)
    13. 04:43 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (russ kinne)
    14. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply (robert bean)
    15. 06:15 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Tom Longo)
    16. 09:57 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Mike Welch)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:42:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    From: zeprep251@AOL.COM
    Mike, Take a look at the mechanism employed on pontoon boat trailers. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:19 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge Hi George, I'll answer your questions one at a time...... > Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?.... . fly it over!" Interesting that you said that previous statement. Last summer, I was standing at the end of my driveway, eyeballing the path of a possible lan ding on my front yard( while my neighbor mowed his lawn). The next day, he planted a line of trees along his property line. Obviously he was thi nking "don't get any ideas!! > Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to clear the 9' posts, I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rath er keep it close to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed, good wheeled dolly of some design, wing first through the gate by hand. "K" turn it through the gate if necessary. See, I knew some sharp guy was going to suggest something I hadn't though t of! Build a turntable mechanism, or better yet, build the trailer to al low the plane to roll on and off diagonally (providing the plane will pass through diagonally) Hmmm??? I'll have to make some measurements to see if a diagonal pass will work. > How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can' t be much. And what, if any, obstacles are on either side of the gate open ing. Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence? I measured the gap of the gate last summer, but I can't remember now. The posts allow for two normal width lanes of traffic to enter the airpor t, so I'm guessing a gap of around 20 to 22 feet. I know it is close to these figures, I just can't remember exactly. My plane is real close to 24 1/2 feet. The left gate swings inline with the road, just enough to clear the asph alt. The other gate swings more out of the way, but not ALL the way. Your idea of raising the tail to go through the opening is an idea I pon dered awhile back. This MAY be the best idea, yet. I haven't "designed" any trailer structure to go this method, but it definitely has merit. > Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing spread. One thing to consider is whatever I come up with, it has to allow for al most NO "slowdown". In other words, I can't pull up to the gate, and star t farting around with some gizmo that takes a minute or two. I'll lose fr iends rapidly if I block the entrance. I will need to pretty much drive through unimpeded, slowing down for no more than a few seconds. > Worth what you paid for it....... Actually, worth more than I paid for it. Both of your suggestions will get more investigation! Thanks, George. Mike Welch > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://gtalexander.home.att.net Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAtarget='_new'>Sign up now. ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 05:46:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    John, That was back in the day when BS was naturally generated.The new Federally generated kind is more difficult to navigate. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge Why did you build the hanger on your property, rather than the airport? Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate, I'd take time to investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials. Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have no other alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready, before and after flying, the less the Kolb will be flown. How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you traileri ng 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day. And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the last 25 years. ;-) john h mkIII - 31F at 1255, hauck's holler, alabama. Too cold to play with the airplane. The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport. Mike Welch ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 06:01:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    From: zeprep251@aol.com
    Mike, Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Kolb guys, Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got; The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening. My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the cente r section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center sect ion, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one win g were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design". I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer moun t will work. More on this one later.. Thanks for everyone's input. Mike Welch From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Robert, I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners . You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this ma y not be a bad idea. Thanks Robert, Mike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge From: rlaird@cavediver.com Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution . -- Robert ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now. ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 08:02:58 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    Mike=2C Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? G.Aman Gary=2C After I measured the new gate opening=2C and finding it is actually 27' w ide=2C I think I can just make a simple dolly device to carry just the main wheels. I already have the tailboom dolly. I would need to connect a sim ple brace to tie the main wheel dolly and the tailboom dolly=2C and it woul d act as the towbar=2C too. My tailboom dolly has castors. The main wheel dolly will not=2C because I need the plane to track directly behind my ATV. When I experimented with a model airplane=2C it appears that the best cle arance is 90 degrees (sideways). As I rotated the model plane=2C the hor. stabilizer forced the airplane to have a wider clearance requirement. From all the information I have thus far=2C it looks like I'm A-OK with a simple sideways mount trailer or main wheel dolly. (24' long plane going through a 27' gate opening.) Still=2C I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')... .if I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to j ust squeeze through. Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.


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    Time: 08:36:01 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work. More on this one later.. Thanks for everyone's input. Mike Welch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago while visiting in Washington state, I saw a kolb on a hand pull trailer. The plane sat on the trailer sideways, left wing to the front right wing to the rear, nose to the right,,, well you get the idea. I don't know the dimensions of your mkIII classic/extra, but that may just be to easy. The kolb info packet shows the length of the original mkIII as 22'6" Boyd Young


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    Time: 08:50:09 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject:
    Still, I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')....if I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to just squeeze through. Mike Welch When you get to the gate take some chalk and mark your tire position,,, when you are happy with the location, take a can of spray paint and paint a small dot, or row of dots. I would envision a trailer with a long c channel for the tail wheel. lift the tail wheel into the c channel.then push the plane back to the ramps for the main gear, have them mounted on a pivot, or teeter totter 5 ft on one side 1 ft on the other. with the plane on the ground the ramp ends would hit the ground,,,, when the plane is on the trailer, the wheels would be just past the pivot point of the ramp and hold the ramps off the ground. You may only have to roll the plane up 4 inches or so for clearance. Boyd


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    Time: 08:55:13 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply
    Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>> Hi Robert, I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and dont start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at cloud base, I tend to go low. I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a real stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the bastards seem to start at 10 knots and then build.. I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if I feel lucky. Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red Arrows` (RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed varied by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I offered mt passenger the stick and the speed and the height indicators just stopped moving as it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 09:13:37 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    Hi Boyd=2C Sounds like that trailer would be exactly what I need. In a previous email=2C I stated it looks like the narrowest method to tow a completely assembled Kolb MkIII is to go totally at 90 degrees sideways. Any skewing appears to require more clearance. Since my MkIII has a TNK Co.'s OEM Xtra nosecone=2C and all the fuselage tubing was built as precisely as I could measure to a genuine Xtra's dimens ions=2C my MkIII will reflect almost identical dimensions of a factory buil t Xtra. I just went out to my shop and measured the length=2C from nose to tail. I come up with VERY close to 23' 6". (this is with the rudder swung over as much as possible=2C shortening up the overall length a couple of inches .) This all appears as good news to me. I've got to get a 23' 6" airplane t hrough a 27' wide gate opening. Sounds fairly easy to me to plan on buildi ng a "main wheel dolly" that tracks directly behind my ATV. Time to sketch out some ideas for dollies. (Where is Uncle Craig when you need him? ha ha) Mike Welch MkIII CX Years ago while visiting in Washington state=2C I saw a kolb on a hand p ull trailer. The plane sat on the trailer sideways=2C left wing to the front right wing to the rear=2C nose to the right=2C=2C=2C well you get the idea. I don=92t know the dimensions of your mkIII classic/extr a=2C but that may just be to easy. The kolb info packet shows the length of the original mkIII as 22=926=94 Boyd Young _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.


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    Time: 10:02:09 AM PST US
    From: HGRAFF@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    Mike, I would be considering a Lift Strut extensions that would raise the wings to 10 feet, at 10 feet out from center. Maybe even a fancy telescoping Lift Strut, that is electrically driven between transport and flying condition? Herb Graff Mark III, 246KT In a message dated 1/4/2010 11:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes: I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always open. The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall. Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the airport.


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    Time: 10:37:18 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    Hi Herb=2C Doesn't hit me as a good idea to modify the plane like that=2C Herb. If a wing were to be raised that high=2C I'd have to unhook the aileron contro l=2C etc. Plus=2C the wing mount wouldn't allow for such a high angle. Al l these things are what I'm trying to avoid. Fortunately=2C as it turns out=2C the gate opening is 27' and in the side ways position=2C my plane is 23' 6". So=2C sideways it is!! Now=2C all I have to do is come up with a very nice design=2C well-built trailer to tow the plane sideways. Mike Welch From: HGRAFF@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Mike=2C I would be considering a Lift Strut extensions that would raise the wings t o 10 feet=2C at 10 feet out from center. Maybe even a fancy telescoping Lift Strut=2C that is electrically driven be tween transport and flying condition? Herb Graff Mark III=2C 246KT In a message dated 1/4/2010 11:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C mdnanwel ch7@hotmail.com writes: I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport e ntrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The g ap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall. Si mply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the a irport. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.


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    Time: 03:13:30 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Longo" <tclongo@att.net>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just a few seconds to do so. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Mike, Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Kolb guys, Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got; The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening. My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design". I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work. More on this one later.. Thanks for everyone's input. Mike Welch _____ From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Robert, I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners. You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may not be a bad idea. Thanks Robert, Mike _____ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge From: rlaird@cavediver.com <mailto:rlaird@cavediver.com> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution. -- Robert ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now. =================================== ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =================================== ttp://forums.matronics.com =================================== ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================


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    Time: 04:25:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Pat, you have a good point there. If I maintain 30 ft above the ground the thermals should be mild. Unfortunately where I was flying that absurdly boisterous day, the terrain was too vertical to allow. I'm more a fair weather flyer now although I know one needs some bumpier air to keep your reactions up to par. BB nippy here in the northeast US. On 5, Jan 2010, at 11:54 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>> > > Hi Robert, > I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and dont start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at cloud base, I tend to go low. > I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a real stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the bastards seem to start at 10 knots and then build.. > > I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if I feel lucky. > > Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red Arrows` (RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed varied by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I offered mt passenger the stick and the speed and the height indicators just stopped moving as it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > >


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    Time: 04:43:20 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something? On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote: > Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less > than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up > and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as > you are in, will take just a few seconds to do so. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list- > server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge > > Mike, > Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? > G.Aman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge > > Kolb guys, > > Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what > I got; > > The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought > the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate > opening. > > My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for > the center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd > have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one > wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear > = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam > dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design". > > I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's > outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal > trailer mount will work. More on this one later.. > > Thanks for everyone's input. > > Mike Welch > > > From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800 > > Robert, > > I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front > runners. > > You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube > support > (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, > this may not be a bad idea. > > Thanks Robert, Mike > > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600 > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge > From: rlaird@cavediver.com > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the > gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting > up the wing and gap seal. > > Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other > solution. > > -- Robert > > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > > ronics.com > > > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. > > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > > ronics.com > > > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now. > > > =================================== > > > ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > > =================================== > > > ttp://forums.matronics.com > > > =================================== > > > ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > =================================== > > > - The Kolb-List Email Forum - > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > --> http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > Thank you for your generous support! > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 04:45:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    sorry guys, thought that was direct. do not archive On 5, Jan 2010, at 7:20 PM, robert bean wrote: > > Pat, you have a good point there. If I maintain 30 ft above the ground the thermals should be mild. > Unfortunately where I was flying that absurdly boisterous day, the terrain was too vertical to allow. > > I'm more a fair weather flyer now although I know one needs some bumpier air to keep your reactions up to par. > BB > nippy here in the northeast US. > > On 5, Jan 2010, at 11:54 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > >> >> Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>> >> >> Hi Robert, >> I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and dont start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at cloud base, I tend to go low. >> I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a real stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the bastards seem to start at 10 knots and then build.. >> >> I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if I feel lucky. >> >> Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red Arrows` (RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed varied by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I offered mt passenger the stick and the speed and the height indicators just stopped moving as it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:15:50 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Longo" <tclongo@att.net>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    Depends on how high the fence is, he said opening is 27 feet wide, so if it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already, should not take much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of room before it hits the ground. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something? On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote: Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just a few seconds to do so. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com <mailto:zeprep251@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Mike, Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch < mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> > Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Kolb guys, Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got; The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening. My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design". I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work. More on this one later.. Thanks for everyone's input. Mike Welch _____ From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Robert, I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners. You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may not be a bad idea. Thanks Robert, Mike _____ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge From: rlaird@cavediver.com <mailto:rlaird@cavediver.com> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution. -- Robert ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now. =================================== ator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =================================== ttp://forums.matronics.com =================================== ibution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== - The Kolb-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 09:57:10 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Trailer challenge
    Tom=2C Thanks for the suggestion=2C but here are some key points to consider. I don't have any trailer to carry the Kolb at this time=2C so whatever I come up with=2C I have to make. That wouldn't a problem=2C I've made a couple "car carrier" trailers in t he past=2C but I don't want something that large. (actually=2C I have a 5 ton flatbed trailer for my backhoe=2C which I used to move my plane here=2C but it's waaaay too heavy for my ATV!!) Remember=2C I'm not trying to "tow" the plane very far=2C only 1/4 mile =2C to at the end of my road. What I'm looking for is more like a "dolly" than a true airplane trailer. When I thought the gate clearance was 20-22 feet=2C I considered building a trailer pretty close to what you have in mind. Doesn't look like I need to go this route=2C though. While I believe what you suggest will work=2C it would be MUCH more compl ex to build than necessary. Especially=2C since I've mentioned my plane is 23' 6" long...going through the 27' wide opening=2C and it can be towed si deways. So far=2C it appears as though Boyd has the best towing solution for me. Thanks for the suggestion=2C though. Mike Welch From: tclongo@att.net Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Depends on how high the fence is=2C he said opening is 27 feet wide=2C so i f it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already=2C should not take much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of roo m before it hits the ground. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m atronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne Sent: Tuesday=2C January 05=2C 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something? On Jan 5=2C 2010=2C at 6:09 PM=2C Tom Longo wrote: Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in=2C will take ju st a few seconds to do so. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m atronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tuesday=2C January 05=2C 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Mike=2C Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Sent: Mon=2C Jan 4=2C 2010 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Kolb guys=2C Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got =3B The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening. My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if I went with a "one-wing folded design". I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou nt will work. More on this one later.. Thanks for everyone's input. Mike Welch From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Robert=2C I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner s. You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support (from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this may not be a bad idea. Thanks Robert=2C Mike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge From: rlaird@cavediver.com Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution. -- Robert ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now. ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution - The Kolb-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forum s.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for y our generous support! -Matt Dralle=2C List Adm in. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue=3B t ext-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://forums.matronics.comstyle= "color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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