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1. 03:05 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (pj.ladd)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
3. 09:15 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
4. 12:20 PM - Good winter gloves (Richard Pike)
5. 12:30 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (william sullivan)
6. 12:30 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (william sullivan)
7. 12:34 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (Ralph B)
8. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Good winter gloves (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (Larry Cottrell)
10. 02:48 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (TheWanderingWench)
11. 03:23 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (russ kinne)
12. 03:52 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (Mike Welch)
13. 04:04 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (pj.ladd)
14. 05:12 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (robert bean)
15. 05:42 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (russ kinne)
16. 05:54 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
17. 05:54 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
18. 10:24 PM - Kolbra pilots...how tall is you plane? (Nick Cassara)
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the gate
operations at airports. Can you imagine the government mandating that a
persons car must be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go
figure.>>
Do you think that the natural `authority must be wrong` attitude is a
bit overdone in this case.
Given the present security mad atmosphere would you be happy that anyone
could just roll up and push their plane through a hole in the hedge and
fly away. No control by the airport authority.
If someone did that and turned out to be an `evildoer` (lovely phrase,
could only have been invented by an American) all hell would break
loose and we should have more rgulations imposed than you could shake a
stick at.
Just a thought
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
At 06:04 AM 1/6/2010, pj.ladd wrote:
>Do you think that the natural `authority must be wrong` attitude is a bit
>overdone in this case.
>
>Given the present security mad atmosphere would you be happy that anyone
>could just roll up and push their plane through a hole in the hedge and
>fly away. No control by the airport authority.
>If someone did that and turned out to be an `evildoer` (lovely phrase,
>could only have been invented by an American) all hell would break loose
>and we should have more rgulations imposed than you could shake a stick at.
No, I don't think it's overdone.
First, the damage an "evildoer" could do with a small plane is very
limited, far less than what one could do with. say, a truck filled with
explosives.
Second, this only applies to airports receiving federal funding, so there
are plenty of other airports that may _not_ have this policy for the
evildoer to use for his nefarious purposes (another good word, picture
Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting world
domination in his Kolb).
Third, it doesn't even apply to aircraft on trailers coming through the
gate... it only applies to people who own property directly adjacent to the
airport (i.e. fly-in communities and businesses adjacent to the airport)...
a small enough group that the airport authority presumably can verify that
they're aren't "evildoers".
It's all about pointless expansion of government power, by bureaucrats who
don't have a clue, to please people who don't have a clue.
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike
I would ask if you can widen the gate. Be nice but what is the worst
they can say?
I have hanger in Michigan that is about 6 inches wider than my plane. I
pull the plane in very slowly watching the wing tips and I scrap them
occasionally. You will be pulling the plane with a atv. You can do some
real damage if you get too close. How about setting some kind of flag or
something about a foot ahead of the nose and tail (on the ground or
mounted on the trailer) that will warn you that you are too close.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion, but here are some key points to consider.
I don't have any trailer to carry the Kolb at this time, so whatever
I come up with, I have to make.
That wouldn't a problem, I've made a couple "car carrier" trailers
in the past, but I don't want something that large. (actually, I have a
5 ton flatbed trailer for my backhoe, which I used to move my plane
here, but it's waaaay too heavy for my ATV!!)
Remember, I'm not trying to "tow" the plane very far, only 1/4 mile,
to at the end of my road. What I'm looking for is more like a "dolly"
than a true airplane trailer.
When I thought the gate clearance was 20-22 feet, I considered
building a trailer pretty close to what you have in mind. Doesn't look
like I need to go this route, though.
While I believe what you suggest will work, it would be MUCH more
complex to build than necessary. Especially, since I've mentioned my
plane is 23' 6" long...going through the 27' wide opening, and it can be
towed sideways.
So far, it appears as though Boyd has the best towing solution for
me.
Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Mike Welch
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From: tclongo@att.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:11:18 -0500
Depends on how high the fence is, he said opening is 27 feet wide, so
if it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already, should not
take much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have
plenty of room before it hits the ground.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:36 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote:
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than
$100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive
in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in,
will take just a few seconds to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
zeprep251@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I
got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the
gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the
center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add
about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3'
center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide
overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer
to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's
outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal
trailer mount will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
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From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front
runners.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube
support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets,
this may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird@cavediver.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the
gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up
the wing and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other
solution.
-- Robert
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Subject: | Good winter gloves |
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience with
serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in the hangar
for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work
gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying
during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get too cold
first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
- Richard- Cabela's or L.L. Bean.- Good luck.- It finally hit 30 degr
ees at 3pm, and the wind has stopped blowing for the first time in days.
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
- Richard- another trick is to put latex or vinyl gloves on first, under
the winter gloves- especially when wet.
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
Richard,
These rechargeable gloves work pretty good.
http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/cs215.html
Ralph
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
970 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
110 hrs
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
Richard
For really cold weather wear mittens. Don't know exactly why but cheep
mittens work better than even the super insulated gloves. Better yet buy a
big pair of mittens and ware gloves under them. When you need to do small
work take the gloved hand out get it done them back in the mittens.
Rick Neilsen
Old fart but young enough to know how to keep warm in a cold Michigan
winter. I found the really best way is winter in Florida.
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From: "Ralph B" <ul15@juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Good winter gloves
>
> Richard,
>
> These rechargeable gloves work pretty good.
>
> http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/cs215.html
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 970 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 1 year flying it
> 110 hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280414#280414
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
If you are flying a two stroke, why not put a heater in it. With the
heat captured out of the shroud of a 447 or 503 I could fly in 24
degrees with only the front enclosure and nothing behind me. If you go
to Cabela's for gloves I used the Kangaroo shooting gloves because I
didn't have to take them off to push buttons either on my radio or GPS.
I ran a heater (SCAT)tube in at the top of the windshield, and was
comfortable. Since I no longer have a two stroke, I bought a Chili vest
and use the Roo gloves, along with a silk scarf, (wild rag) and a
stocking hat over my headset.
Mittens do work because the mittens allow trapped air to warm.
Larry C
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From: Richard Pike
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more
experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in
Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my
hands warm. Have several pairs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none
of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying during this part of the
year because it's my hands that always get too cold first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
I use insulated mittens with chemical handwarmers in each mitten. In really
cold weather, I use one chemical handwarmer in my palm and another on the
back of my hand. They last up to 6 hours and cost 99=A2 a pair here in Oreg
on.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
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--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience w
ith serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in th
e hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pa
irs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have
about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my hands that
always get too cold first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
Richard
Basic trouble is, if you get your hands warm enough you can't do much
work -- too bulky. Light gloves (silk is best) under mitts are best.
Remove mitts for work, then put on again. Tie mitts together with a
tape long enough to go up inside one sleeve, across your shoulders,
down the other sleeve. Otherwise you'll lose a mitt or it will go
somewhere inaccesible Guaranteed.
Many mitts are not windproof. Military surplus has some good gear,
and try mountaineering shops (REI, Eastern Mountain Sports) and
hunting gear (Cabellas's, Campmor) I've never tried electric gloves,
and they're pricey.
Chemical handwarmers are good, and you can put one inside each glove
if it's big enough. For luxury, tuck one inside your belt in back.
You can't do good work with stiff hands, and there's no need to be
uncomfortable. Dry gloves & mitts thoroughly every night.
Stay warm,
Russ K
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On Jan 6, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more
> experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in
> Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today, and could not
> keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work gloves, ski gloves,
> etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying
> during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get
> too cold first.
>
> Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
>
> Thanks
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
>
>
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Subject: | Good winter gloves |
Richard=2C
Since you're such a nice guy=2C I'll tell you which gloves are the best g
loves in the world.
Neoprene gloves!! I bought a pair about 10 years ago=2C for working on
my house in the snow. They are the most comfortable gloves you can buy=2C
the good quality ones are "form fitted"=2C and keep your hands very warm.
I just bought a pair=2C and they arrived last Monday.
Get a pair=2C and I guarantee you'll love 'em.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SNORKELING-SCUBA-DIVING-GLOVES-neoprene-3MM_W0QQitemZ2
80444702971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414bce90fb
Mike Welch
> Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves
> From: richard@bcchapel.org
> Date: Wed=2C 6 Jan 2010 12:20:24 -0800
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience
with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in
the hangar for a bit today=2C and could not keep my hands warm. Have severa
l pairs of work gloves=2C ski gloves=2C etc. and none of them are worth bea
ns. Have about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my han
ds that always get too cold first.
>
> Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
>
> Thanks
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
another good word, picture
Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting
world
domination in his Kolb).>>
Hi Dana,
glorious picture. LOL
Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the
American thinks automatically, that anything which government or
`authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that
stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly
want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered plane through
a hole in the hedge without any say so from the control tower would
worry me. If in the first instance I could only do it for airfields
which were receiving government funding, that would be the first step..
What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to get
a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an RAF
airfield because they maintained some stores there.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
We try to suppress misleading and inflammatory news about aviation
because of our exasperatingly ignorant press
and politicians. How many of us have groaned at the reading of a news
report that has but the slightest relation to reality
or common sense. -Stuff like: "the pilot took off without clearance" .
Yikes! we all do that every time we fly our Kolbs, but the
common public thinks we are on some kind of a leash like in Russia.
Problem is, dimwits like our very own NY senator
Schumer would like to have it that way. So we quietly wait one more
time for the nonsense to blow over.
BB
On 6, Jan 2010, at 7:04 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> another good word, picture
> Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting
world
> domination in his Kolb).>>
>
> Hi Dana,
> glorious picture. LOL
>
> Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the
American thinks automatically, that anything which government or
`authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that
stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly
want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered plane through
a hole in the hedge without any say so from the control tower would
worry me. If in the first instance I could only do it for airfields
which were receiving government funding, that would be the first step..
> What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to
get a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an RAF
airfield because they maintained some stores there.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Pat
Not to prolong things, but one problem here is that (I've been told
at least) if any airfield gets money from the US government, they
have to fence the entire perimeter. So they all do. But in many/most
areas, white-tailed deer will jump any 6' high fence to get in, and
are absolute HELL to get off the field again. So the 9' high fences.
Nothing's easy these days! -- as I'm sure you've noticed.
All the best in 2010.
Russ
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On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:04 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> another good word, picture
> Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while
> plotting world
> domination in his Kolb).>>
>
> Hi Dana,
> glorious picture. LOL
>
> Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the
> American thinks automatically, that anything which government or
> `authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with
> that stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would
> certainly want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered
> plane through a hole in the hedge without any say so from the
> control tower would worry me. If in the first instance I could only
> do it for airfields which were receiving government funding, that
> would be the first step..
> What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to
> get a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an
> RAF airfield because they maintained some stores there.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Pat,
What control tower? We have about 20,000 airports in the US, only about
700 of which have control towers. Probably only 10% of US airports even
have anybody present most of the time. There's simply no way that keeping
a guy who lives in a house adjacent to an airport from taxiing from his
private hangar onto the airport is going to do ANYTHING to protect the
general public. The rules everybody's talking about don't even apply to
trailering through the gate, only to adjacent property owners.
We take our freedoms seriously here (or most of us do)... the faceless
bureaucrat in Washington justifying his budget by hassling sport pilots at
a sleepy little airfield way out in the country and claiming "it's for our
own good" is the real evildoer.
There are far better ways to combat terrorism, but they're not politically
correct so of course we won't do them.
-Dana
At 07:04 PM 1/6/2010, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the American
>thinks automatically, that anything which government or `authority` does
>is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that stance but in view of
>9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly want some control...
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Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
At 07:22 PM 1/6/2010, robert bean wrote:
>...Stuff like: "the pilot took off without clearance"...
... "without filing a flight plan"... in (oh, the horror!) an UNREGISTERED
aircraft!
-Dana
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Subject: | Kolbra pilots...how tall is you plane? |
Hello Kolbsters,
Kolbra owners. My hanger plan is to buy a shipping container, fold my wings,
and roll in my Kolbra, when it is finished. The container width is seven and
a haft feet, so that is ok. But what I don't know is how tall this plane
will be. I know that on a three blade prop, the tips of the blades will be
the highest points. Your engine chooses, redrives, and tires sizes will be
variables, but I would be interested to know how tall you plane is .
Thank you for your help!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Working on putting the Proto-type Kolbra back in the air!
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