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Wed 01/06/10


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 03:05 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (pj.ladd)
     2. 04:07 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
     3. 09:15 AM - Re: Trailer challenge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     4. 12:20 PM - Good winter gloves (Richard Pike)
     5. 12:30 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (william sullivan)
     6. 12:30 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (william sullivan)
     7. 12:34 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (Ralph B)
     8. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Good winter gloves (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     9. 01:03 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (Larry Cottrell)
    10. 02:48 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (TheWanderingWench)
    11. 03:23 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (russ kinne)
    12. 03:52 PM - Re: Good winter gloves (Mike Welch)
    13. 04:04 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (pj.ladd)
    14. 05:12 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (robert bean)
    15. 05:42 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (russ kinne)
    16. 05:54 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
    17. 05:54 PM - Re: Trailer challenge (Dana Hague)
    18. 10:24 PM - Kolbra pilots...how tall is you plane? (Nick Cassara)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:05:20 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the gate operations at airports. Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure.>> Do you think that the natural `authority must be wrong` attitude is a bit overdone in this case. Given the present security mad atmosphere would you be happy that anyone could just roll up and push their plane through a hole in the hedge and fly away. No control by the airport authority. If someone did that and turned out to be an `evildoer` (lovely phrase, could only have been invented by an American) all hell would break loose and we should have more rgulations imposed than you could shake a stick at. Just a thought Pat


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    Time: 04:07:38 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    At 06:04 AM 1/6/2010, pj.ladd wrote: >Do you think that the natural `authority must be wrong` attitude is a bit >overdone in this case. > >Given the present security mad atmosphere would you be happy that anyone >could just roll up and push their plane through a hole in the hedge and >fly away. No control by the airport authority. >If someone did that and turned out to be an `evildoer` (lovely phrase, >could only have been invented by an American) all hell would break loose >and we should have more rgulations imposed than you could shake a stick at. No, I don't think it's overdone. First, the damage an "evildoer" could do with a small plane is very limited, far less than what one could do with. say, a truck filled with explosives. Second, this only applies to airports receiving federal funding, so there are plenty of other airports that may _not_ have this policy for the evildoer to use for his nefarious purposes (another good word, picture Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting world domination in his Kolb). Third, it doesn't even apply to aircraft on trailers coming through the gate... it only applies to people who own property directly adjacent to the airport (i.e. fly-in communities and businesses adjacent to the airport)... a small enough group that the airport authority presumably can verify that they're aren't "evildoers". It's all about pointless expansion of government power, by bureaucrats who don't have a clue, to please people who don't have a clue. -Dana do not archive -- Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of scum on top.


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    Time: 09:15:10 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    Mike I would ask if you can widen the gate. Be nice but what is the worst they can say? I have hanger in Michigan that is about 6 inches wider than my plane. I pull the plane in very slowly watching the wing tips and I scrap them occasionally. You will be pulling the plane with a atv. You can do some real damage if you get too close. How about setting some kind of flag or something about a foot ahead of the nose and tail (on the ground or mounted on the trailer) that will warn you that you are too close. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:55 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Tom, Thanks for the suggestion, but here are some key points to consider. I don't have any trailer to carry the Kolb at this time, so whatever I come up with, I have to make. That wouldn't a problem, I've made a couple "car carrier" trailers in the past, but I don't want something that large. (actually, I have a 5 ton flatbed trailer for my backhoe, which I used to move my plane here, but it's waaaay too heavy for my ATV!!) Remember, I'm not trying to "tow" the plane very far, only 1/4 mile, to at the end of my road. What I'm looking for is more like a "dolly" than a true airplane trailer. When I thought the gate clearance was 20-22 feet, I considered building a trailer pretty close to what you have in mind. Doesn't look like I need to go this route, though. While I believe what you suggest will work, it would be MUCH more complex to build than necessary. Especially, since I've mentioned my plane is 23' 6" long...going through the 27' wide opening, and it can be towed sideways. So far, it appears as though Boyd has the best towing solution for me. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Mike Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: tclongo@att.net To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:11:18 -0500 Depends on how high the fence is, he said opening is 27 feet wide, so if it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already, should not take much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of room before it hits the ground. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:36 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something? On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote: Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just a few seconds to do so. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Mike, Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Kolb guys, Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got; The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening. My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design". I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work. More on this one later.. Thanks for everyone's input. Mike Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800 Robert, I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners. You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may not be a bad idea. Thanks Robert, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge From: rlaird@cavediver.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution. -- Robert ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now. ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution - The Kolb-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listblue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.comstyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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    Time: 12:20:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Good winter gloves
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get too cold first. Suggestions? Online sources to buy them? Thanks Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410


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    Time: 12:30:09 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    - Richard- Cabela's or L.L. Bean.- Good luck.- It finally hit 30 degr ees at 3pm, and the wind has stopped blowing for the first time in days. - do not archive - ------------------------- ------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct . ------------------------- ------------------- FS 447


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    Time: 12:30:33 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    - Richard- another trick is to put latex or vinyl gloves on first, under the winter gloves- especially when wet. - do not archive ------------------------- --------------------- Bill Sulliv an ------------------------- --------------------- Windsor Loc ks, Ct. ------------------------- --------------------- FS 447


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    Time: 12:34:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    From: "Ralph B" <ul15@juno.com>
    Richard, These rechargeable gloves work pretty good. http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/cs215.html Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 970 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 1 year flying it 110 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280414#280414


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    Time: 12:46:50 PM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    Richard For really cold weather wear mittens. Don't know exactly why but cheep mittens work better than even the super insulated gloves. Better yet buy a big pair of mittens and ware gloves under them. When you need to do small work take the gloved hand out get it done them back in the mittens. Rick Neilsen Old fart but young enough to know how to keep warm in a cold Michigan winter. I found the really best way is winter in Florida. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph B" <ul15@juno.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Good winter gloves > > Richard, > > These rechargeable gloves work pretty good. > > http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/cs215.html > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 970 hours > 23 years flying it > Kolbra 912UL > N20386 > 1 year flying it > 110 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280414#280414 > > >


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    Time: 01:03:31 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    If you are flying a two stroke, why not put a heater in it. With the heat captured out of the shroud of a 447 or 503 I could fly in 24 degrees with only the front enclosure and nothing behind me. If you go to Cabela's for gloves I used the Kangaroo shooting gloves because I didn't have to take them off to push buttons either on my radio or GPS. I ran a heater (SCAT)tube in at the top of the windshield, and was comfortable. Since I no longer have a two stroke, I bought a Chili vest and use the Roo gloves, along with a silk scarf, (wild rag) and a stocking hat over my headset. Mittens do work because the mittens allow trapped air to warm. Larry C Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get too cold first. Suggestions? Online sources to buy them? Thanks Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/06/10 07:35:00


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    Time: 02:48:54 PM PST US
    From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    I use insulated mittens with chemical handwarmers in each mitten. In really cold weather, I use one chemical handwarmer in my palm and another on the back of my hand. They last up to 6 hours and cost 99=A2 a pair here in Oreg on. Arty TrostSandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm =0A =0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" =0A Helen Keller =0A =0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience w ith serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in th e hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pa irs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get too cold first. Suggestions? Online sources to buy them? Thanks Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 03:23:15 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Good winter gloves
    Richard Basic trouble is, if you get your hands warm enough you can't do much work -- too bulky. Light gloves (silk is best) under mitts are best. Remove mitts for work, then put on again. Tie mitts together with a tape long enough to go up inside one sleeve, across your shoulders, down the other sleeve. Otherwise you'll lose a mitt or it will go somewhere inaccesible Guaranteed. Many mitts are not windproof. Military surplus has some good gear, and try mountaineering shops (REI, Eastern Mountain Sports) and hunting gear (Cabellas's, Campmor) I've never tried electric gloves, and they're pricey. Chemical handwarmers are good, and you can put one inside each glove if it's big enough. For luxury, tuck one inside your belt in back. You can't do good work with stiff hands, and there's no need to be uncomfortable. Dry gloves & mitts thoroughly every night. Stay warm, Russ K do not archive On Jan 6, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more > experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in > Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today, and could not > keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work gloves, ski gloves, > etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying > during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get > too cold first. > > Suggestions? Online sources to buy them? > > Thanks > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410 > >


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    Time: 03:52:30 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Good winter gloves
    Richard=2C Since you're such a nice guy=2C I'll tell you which gloves are the best g loves in the world. Neoprene gloves!! I bought a pair about 10 years ago=2C for working on my house in the snow. They are the most comfortable gloves you can buy=2C the good quality ones are "form fitted"=2C and keep your hands very warm. I just bought a pair=2C and they arrived last Monday. Get a pair=2C and I guarantee you'll love 'em. http://cgi.ebay.com/SNORKELING-SCUBA-DIVING-GLOVES-neoprene-3MM_W0QQitemZ2 80444702971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414bce90fb Mike Welch > Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves > From: richard@bcchapel.org > Date: Wed=2C 6 Jan 2010 12:20:24 -0800 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today=2C and could not keep my hands warm. Have severa l pairs of work gloves=2C ski gloves=2C etc. and none of them are worth bea ns. Have about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my han ds that always get too cold first. > > Suggestions? Online sources to buy them? > > Thanks > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.


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    Time: 04:04:56 PM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    another good word, picture Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting world domination in his Kolb).>> Hi Dana, glorious picture. LOL Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the American thinks automatically, that anything which government or `authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered plane through a hole in the hedge without any say so from the control tower would worry me. If in the first instance I could only do it for airfields which were receiving government funding, that would be the first step.. What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to get a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an RAF airfield because they maintained some stores there. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 05:12:25 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    We try to suppress misleading and inflammatory news about aviation because of our exasperatingly ignorant press and politicians. How many of us have groaned at the reading of a news report that has but the slightest relation to reality or common sense. -Stuff like: "the pilot took off without clearance" . Yikes! we all do that every time we fly our Kolbs, but the common public thinks we are on some kind of a leash like in Russia. Problem is, dimwits like our very own NY senator Schumer would like to have it that way. So we quietly wait one more time for the nonsense to blow over. BB On 6, Jan 2010, at 7:04 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > another good word, picture > Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting world > domination in his Kolb).>> > > Hi Dana, > glorious picture. LOL > > Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the American thinks automatically, that anything which government or `authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered plane through a hole in the hedge without any say so from the control tower would worry me. If in the first instance I could only do it for airfields which were receiving government funding, that would be the first step.. > What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to get a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an RAF airfield because they maintained some stores there. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > >


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    Time: 05:42:30 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    Pat Not to prolong things, but one problem here is that (I've been told at least) if any airfield gets money from the US government, they have to fence the entire perimeter. So they all do. But in many/most areas, white-tailed deer will jump any 6' high fence to get in, and are absolute HELL to get off the field again. So the 9' high fences. Nothing's easy these days! -- as I'm sure you've noticed. All the best in 2010. Russ do not archive On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:04 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > another good word, picture > Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while > plotting world > domination in his Kolb).>> > > Hi Dana, > glorious picture. LOL > > Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the > American thinks automatically, that anything which government or > `authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with > that stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would > certainly want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered > plane through a hole in the hedge without any say so from the > control tower would worry me. If in the first instance I could only > do it for airfields which were receiving government funding, that > would be the first step.. > What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to > get a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an > RAF airfield because they maintained some stores there. > > Cheers > > Pat > >


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    Time: 05:54:25 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    Pat, What control tower? We have about 20,000 airports in the US, only about 700 of which have control towers. Probably only 10% of US airports even have anybody present most of the time. There's simply no way that keeping a guy who lives in a house adjacent to an airport from taxiing from his private hangar onto the airport is going to do ANYTHING to protect the general public. The rules everybody's talking about don't even apply to trailering through the gate, only to adjacent property owners. We take our freedoms seriously here (or most of us do)... the faceless bureaucrat in Washington justifying his budget by hassling sport pilots at a sleepy little airfield way out in the country and claiming "it's for our own good" is the real evildoer. There are far better ways to combat terrorism, but they're not politically correct so of course we won't do them. -Dana At 07:04 PM 1/6/2010, pj.ladd wrote: > >Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the American >thinks automatically, that anything which government or `authority` does >is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that stance but in view of >9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly want some control... do not archive -- The gene pool could use a little chlorine.


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    Time: 05:54:25 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer challenge
    At 07:22 PM 1/6/2010, robert bean wrote: >...Stuff like: "the pilot took off without clearance"... ... "without filing a flight plan"... in (oh, the horror!) an UNREGISTERED aircraft! -Dana do not archive -- The gene pool could use a little chlorine.


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    Time: 10:24:44 PM PST US
    From: "Nick Cassara" <nickc@mtaonline.net>
    Subject: Kolbra pilots...how tall is you plane?
    Hello Kolbsters, Kolbra owners. My hanger plan is to buy a shipping container, fold my wings, and roll in my Kolbra, when it is finished. The container width is seven and a haft feet, so that is ok. But what I don't know is how tall this plane will be. I know that on a three blade prop, the tips of the blades will be the highest points. Your engine chooses, redrives, and tires sizes will be variables, but I would be interested to know how tall you plane is . Thank you for your help! Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Working on putting the Proto-type Kolbra back in the air!




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