---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/18/10: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:44 AM - flight plans (frank.goodnight) 2. 06:31 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (Thom Riddle) 3. 06:50 AM - New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (John Hauck) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (albertakolbmk3) 5. 07:12 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Herb) 6. 07:16 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Dana Hague) 7. 07:16 AM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Vic) 8. 07:34 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch) 9. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (Dana Hague) 10. 07:37 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (albertakolbmk3) 11. 08:04 AM - Re: flight plans (b young) 12. 08:05 AM - Re: flight plans (Richard Pike) 13. 08:09 AM - Re: flight plans (Robert Laird) 14. 08:31 AM - Re: flight plans (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 15. 08:46 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch) 16. 09:09 AM - Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart) 17. 09:21 AM - Re: flight plans (Dana Hague) 18. 09:33 AM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Dana Hague) 19. 09:34 AM - Re: flight plans (frank.goodnight) 20. 11:50 AM - Re: flight plans (b young) 21. 12:04 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart) 22. 12:38 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (robert bean) 23. 01:16 PM - Re: flight plans (Dana Hague) 24. 01:40 PM - Re: flight plans (Vincent Nicely) 25. 01:49 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart) 26. 06:04 PM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (rayw) 27. 06:15 PM - OAT sensor location (albertakolbmk3) 28. 06:35 PM - 447 all up wt? (Herb) 29. 06:53 PM - Re: OAT sensor location (Richard Girard) 30. 06:53 PM - Re: flight plans (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 31. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Richard Girard) 32. 06:56 PM - 447 all up wt? (Herb) 33. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:25 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all Kolbers, As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over lightly populated areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. Thanks Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville ,TX ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring From: "Thom Riddle" Tony, Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intention but I have the Icom A6 adapters for headset, external power etc and use the PTT on the joystick without any modification to the PTT switch on the A6. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Write a wise saying and your name will live forever. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282055#282055 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/icom_a6_ptt_diagram_517.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:28 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=ab8e8d4d-de2f-4687-84ba-8f478fd37a2f john h MKIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring From: "albertakolbmk3" The problem is that ultralight helmets only have the one cable for both intercom and headset so there are 5 wires. The stick grip I bought only has the one NO switch for intercom. Just wondering if there is a way I can still utilize the one button on the grip without having to go back to using the velcro attached button that has the two switches in it. -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282060#282060 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:01 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:00 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft At 09:49 AM 1/18/2010, John Hauck wrote: > >http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=ab8e8d4d-de2f-4687-84ba-8f478fd37a2f Since Shell recently bought Pennzoil, why do I suspect that the "new" oil is the old Pennzoil "air cooled 2-stroke oil" in a new (and doubtless more expensive!) package? -Dana -- Ever notice the Secret Service and the Nazi SS have the same initials? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:10 AM PST US From: "Vic" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets used in lexan installation Tony, I used all aluminun fabric rivets. They covered the enlarged holes in the lexan well. 2 yrs. no problem yet. Ptt switch. Sounds like just an option. Vic Xtra 912 Maine ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:52 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank=2C I have taken a few long distance X-country flight (several hundred miles each). Most have been in my Cessna 172s that I used to own=2C but one was with a group of guys flying to Arlington Airshow with two Quicksilver 2-pla ces. While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle=2C one of the Q uicks threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop. Fortunately=2C there was an eme rgency airstrip near the summit=2C and the pilot had enough altitude to gli de in. We=2C the ground crew=2C drove to him=2C dissasembled the plane=2C and rolled it into the trailer we were towing. Luckily=2C this situation turned out to be a non-event (a two hour inconv enience). Had this mishap occur over "rough terrain"=2C he would have been S.O.L.!!! On a couple of C-172 cross country's I've flown over "inhospitable" terra in. If something happened that would have caused me to go down=2C it would have taken days for a ground crew (or rescue) to get to me. High pucker f actor. Didn't like it much. My last x-country flight=2C from northern California to southern Utah=2C by way of the southern route=2C was mostly over main freeways. I also flew with "flight following" the whole way=2C with LA Center=2C and Las Vegas C enter. HUGE comfort factor. I said all that to say this=3B if I were going to fly x-country=2C and i t was my first trip=2C and it was in an experimental airplane=2C I would no t even consider anything but a route above major roads. If=2C for whatever reason=2C you have to land the plane where you don't i ntend=2C your retrieval could be a thousand times harder in rough terrian. What could have been a simple dissambly=2C and roll into a trailer=2C may now be a massively expensive=2C arduous rescue. Ask our buddy Dennis how much a helicopter costs to go get your plane. Other people may have a different take on x-country flights=2C but for me =2C I'll stay with the highway routes when possible. Besides=2C why is it a bad thing to fly your plane a little longer?? Just my thoughts..... Mike Welch MkIII CX > From: frank.goodnight@att.net > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 03:43:34 -0600 > et> > > > Hi all Kolbers=2C > > As i am still gearing up for=2C and trying to learn about my first long > X country=2C I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone =2C GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking =2Ccheck in =2C I'm OK =2C and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville =2CTX > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:52 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring At 10:11 AM 1/18/2010, albertakolbmk3 wrote: > >The problem is that ultralight helmets only have the one cable for both >intercom and headset so there are 5 wires. The stick grip I bought only >has the one NO switch for intercom. Just wondering if there is a way I can >still utilize the one button on the grip without having to go back to >using the velcro attached button that has the two switches in it. Does the NC switch turn on the intercom when the radio's not transmitting? If so, you could wire the NO button on the stick to work a relay that has both NC and NO contacts, and the relay switches the radio and intercom. -Dana -- Ever notice the Secret Service and the Nazi SS have the same initials? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring From: "albertakolbmk3" Dana, That's a good idea... I'll have to check on that. Thanks, Tony -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282070#282070 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:55 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all Kolbers, As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over lightly populated areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. Thanks Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville ,TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank I try to use a flight plan for this reason. If you don't check in at the time you said you would arrive,,,, they send someone to look for you right a way. If something happened, and you did not have cell coverage, or you could not get the spot's buttons pushed or operating, due to damage to the spot or you. Who would know. Boyd ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flight plans From: "Richard Pike" I am not much of a cross country pilot anymore, but here is what I liked to do - Know the center sector frequency for whatever airspace you are in. If you have a transponder and want flight following, that's ok, personally I don't much like flying with constant FAA chatter in my ear. But if you know what sector you are in, roll up on their frequency, make sure you can hear the controller talking, and then turn the volume down and go back to listening to your mp3 player. You will need to have some idea of sector boundaries and when to change to the next frequency. If the fan quits turning, turn up the radio volume, and if no one else is talking, you do it just like in the movies: "Indy (whatever) Center, Mayday, mayday, mayday. Homebuilt Nxxxx just had an engine failure, let me know when you are ready to copy my position." And if you have a transponder, squawk 7700. Believe me, you will have everybodies undivided attention. Because if the controller misses it and fails to respond, you will almost certainly get some other pilot asking about it (Center, did you hear that Mayday?). Which is what you want. While you are waiting for the center to reply, flip your gps to show your present lat/longs. When center replies, read them off. Twice. If you know where you are relative to a landmark on the sectional or whatever, that's good too. Between that and your 7700 code, they will know where you are. (If you glide another 5 miles away from where you said, you better let somebody know...) Then concentrate on flying the airplane, the feds can no longer help you. They will ask you questions like souls on board, altitude, etc, and it's nice to have that going on, but mostly you need to be flying the airplane. There are probably other good ways to do it, and if you don't mind listening to FAA chatter, active flight following is best, but after having spent 30 years in the FAA, doing flight following and working various emergencies, that's how I would do it. PS: Worth what ya paid for it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282077#282077 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans From: Robert Laird Filing a flight plan is never a BAD idea, but a lot of people see it as an inconvenience and/or hate to think they're relying on "big brother." However, if you have a (bad) habit of not closing your plans, then you should probably not open one. In your case, for this trip, it's probably a good idea. (Note: if you land at a tiny, out-of-the-way airport and have no cell signal, and there's no phone around, you could have a real problem.) Flight following can be very useful and provide a comfort zone, but you have to be high enough for your radio to contact them. This might preclude any ideas about flying low. Make sure you have plenty of experience using your SPOT, and that your email goes to a wide variety of people, and that those people know what to look out for (the SOS message). You should also try to carry 2-days of water/food, an emergency blanket, matches, duct tape, tie wraps, extra batteries for the GPS, and a knife/tool-kit. There was once a downed pilot that wasn't too far off the beaten track, but broke a leg and couldn't go anywhere, so, having those essentials might help, even if you're following roads. -- Robert Houston, TX On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:43 AM, frank.goodnight wrote: > frank.goodnight@att.net> > > > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X > country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over > lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you > please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has > tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank I have flown a number of cross countries mostly in GA aircraft but some in my MKIII. If you are concerned about someone finding you follow roads as Mike suggests. The best way to have someone track you is to use flight following. They watch your every move, mostly good, but they will also see every mistake. The biggest problem with flight following is that is optional. The controllers will follow only if they have time and have the desire to follow. Flight plans work well if you follow the plan and remember to close the plan. Way too often pilots forget to close them. Because of this there may be some delay in searching for you. Spot is good but never used one. The old ELTs work but had so many false alarms the rescue people way too often ignored them. As soon as the new frequencies and spots get popular I would guess they also will be ignored. I have used flight following in my Kolb a few times but I generally fly cross county without any of this stuff except for my cell phone. I have a old ELT because it is required. In Michigan we have a Lake Watch for crossing the great lakes which I will no longer do. They require you to check in like every 5 minutes after you establish the watch or they send a helicopter. Other areas of the country may have watch areas such as mountain watches you can use. If you can't get flight following the next best are the watch services. Again worth what you paid for it. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank.goodnight" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:43 AM Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans > > > > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X > country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys > over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you > please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that > has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:42 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank=2C I failed to address your flight plan question. Yes! I would file a flig ht plan. Be sure to open it=2C and also be sure to close it. Plus=2C don' t forget to check in with ATC once in awhile=2C so they know your progress along your route. One important thing to remember regarding flight plans or flight followin g: You do NOT have to wait for you to land to close it out! Usually=2C wh e I have the airport in sight (maybe 10-15 minutes out)=2C I close my fligh t following. You obviously "made it"=2C and don't need the service anymore . Why wait until you get on the ground=2C get busy and have them hunt you down? I would also draw an exact route of your intended path on a sectional=2C and leave a copy with a person on your SPOT email notification. Your cell phone will not be of much value if you stray too far away from highways. T he cell phone towers do NOT give you coverage out in the boondocks. It's definitely a good idea to have some of the supplies Richard P. menti oned. Like I said=2C if it were me=2C I'd chart my route along major roads . In the event of a mishap=2C your landing may be on the road=2C your cell phone will more likely work=2C your retrieval vehicle can drive right up t o you=2C and help could be the next car to drive past you. A mishap way out in the sticks will not have any of the above. Mike Welch > From: frank.goodnight@att.net > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 03:43:34 -0600 > et> > > > Hi all Kolbers=2C > > As i am still gearing up for=2C and trying to learn about my first long > X country=2C I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone =2C GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking =2Ccheck in =2C I'm OK =2C and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville =2CTX > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:38 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages Kolbers, I put up a couple of new pages. Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html Trying to save some weight with new starter and magneto kill switches: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly154.html Experiencing a heat wave. Highs in the low 40's. A week of ground fog as the snow slowly dissipates. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:53 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans I don't think I've filed a flight plan since I got my license, over 30 years ago. If you're just talking VFR flight plan, that's no different from letting somebody know where you're going and when you should be expected to arrive. I did some long cross countries in the T-Craft, but I never had a radio so I couldn't use flight following or anything like that anyway. In the Kolb I do have a radio, but I route my flights over areas where I can make a safe landing... no long legs over the forest... and most of Connecticut isn't exactly remote anyway. -Dana -- The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:02 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages At 12:08 PM 1/18/2010, Jack B. Hart wrote: >Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel >management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications: > >http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html Jack, if the Tillotson carb already has high and low speed mixture screws, why are you messing with pressure probes and mixing valve? -Dana -- The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:19 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all, Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 times I forgot to close, 35 years ago just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am older now and a little more settled may be that I can remember the things that I have to do. The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share. I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:04 AM, b young wrote: > > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long > X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Frank > I try to use a flight plan for this reason. If you don't check > in at > the time you said you would arrive,,,, they send someone to look > for you > right a way. If something happened, and you did not have cell > coverage, > or you could not get the spot's buttons pushed or operating, due to > damage > to the spot or you. Who would know. > > Boyd > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:25 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all, Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 times I forgot to close, 35 years ago just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am older now and a little more settled may be that I can remember the things that I have to do. The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share. I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The worst I have ever had is no phone at the destination airport... it took a bit of time to be able to call in and cancel, ( had to go across the street 1/4 mile after securing the plane) .. in the in between time they had called my wife. But when I got to a phone I called the faa and my wife. So all was good. It happened at monument valley. No radio coverage at MV on the ground... best to close the flight plan while still at altitude. Or plan some extra time to get to a phone. My cell had no coverage at mv. Boyd Do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:45 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages From: Dana Hague > .......................... Jack, if the Tillotson carb already has high and low speed mixture screws, why are you messing with pressure probes and mixing valve? > Dana, While I am at it I want to investigate both methods. I went mechanical because I know it will work. During the ground testing, I have noticed that the MZ 34 EGT has a tendency to float up a little when one closes the throttle. This may be due to the vent position for the volume underneath the fuel flow diaphragm. It is not a good static pressure vent. The pneumatic system produced near constant EGT settings on the Bing 54 and the Victor 1+. I want to see if it will work on the Tillotson and the MZ 34. If so, overall it will be much lighter than the mechanical system that tweaks the needle jets. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages From: robert bean Jack, do you have any other hobbies? BB do not archive :) On 18, Jan 2010, at 12:08 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > Kolbers, > > I put up a couple of new pages. > > Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel > management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html > > Trying to save some weight with new starter and magneto kill switches: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly154.html > > Experiencing a heat wave. Highs in the low 40's. A week of ground fog as > the snow slowly dissipates. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:33 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans At 02:49 PM 1/18/2010, b young wrote: >The worst I have ever had is no phone at the destination airport... it >took a bit of time to be able to call in and cancel, ( had to go across the >street 1/4 mile after securing the plane) .. in the in between time they >had called my wife... I forgot to close my flight plan once, while I was still a student pilot. I remembered several hours later, all panicky (I was 17 at the time and they'd emphasized that you'd pay for an unnecessary search). The guy at the FSS when I called was real friendly, "don't worry, it's OK, nobody's lookin' for you." No doubt since it was a controlled field I landed at the first thing they did was contact the tower and verify I'd arrived. -Dana do not archive -- If you don't grow up by age 35, you don't have to. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:14 PM PST US From: Vincent Nicely Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank, I have used a simple device to help remember to open and close flight plans. I put a small patch of Velcro on the instrument panel. Then, I made a small tag with "Open Flight Plan" written on one side and "Close Flight Plan" written on the other side and a small piece of the mating Velcro on each side. With the tag attached to the Velcro, say just above the ignition switches, it is hard to forget to open or close the flight plan. Vince Nicely do not archive b young wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a > flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 > times I forgot to close, 35 years ago > just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad > enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am > older now and a little more settled may be that > I can remember the things that I have to do. > The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of > aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ > C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share. > I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:07 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages At 03:36 PM 1/18/10 -0500, you wrote: > >Jack, do you have any other hobbies? >BB >do not archive :) Bob, As one ages he realizes that one must cut back a little to do the truely fun things. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation From: "rayw" Hi all, While on the topic of rivets. What type of rivet is used to hold fabric on the wing ribs etc? Is there a AN number? Ray W. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282163#282163 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: OAT sensor location From: "albertakolbmk3" Just getting my new GR EIS wired up and would like to know where others have put the OAT sensor on the plane (if your using it). I would think that out of sunlight and air movement would be best? -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282165#282165 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:24 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Kolb-List: 447 all up wt? ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: OAT sensor location From: Richard Girard Tony, out of the moving air is not a problem for a sensor or thermometer. Wind chill isn't a factor since it gives an equivalent temperature on exposed skin, unless you're using one of those "red neck" type sensors. Rick Girard On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote: > cheriebraun@xplornet.com> > > Just getting my new GR EIS wired up and would like to know where others > have put the OAT sensor on the plane (if your using it). I would think that > out of sunlight and air movement would be best? > > -------- > Tony B. > > Kolb MKIII C > Rotax 582 > C Gearbox 3.00:1 > WD 66" 3 Blade Prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282165#282165 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Vic in Maine you need something like that that says take off on one side and Land on the other Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Nicely Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank, I have used a simple device to help remember to open and close flight plan s. I put a small patch of Velcro on the instrument panel. Then, I made a small tag with "Open Flight Plan" written on one side and "Close Flight Plan" written on the other side and a small piece of the mating Velcro on each side. With the tag attached to the Velcro, say just above the igniti on switches, it is hard to forget to open or close the flight plan. Vince Nicely do not archive b young wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a > flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 > times I forgot to close, 35 years ago > just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad > enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am > older now and a little more settled may be that > I can remember the things that I have to do. > The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of > aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ > C.Thanks aga in to those that are willing to share. > I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation From: Richard Girard Ray, attached is a picture of Poly Fibers fabric rivet. Spruce has them, but you might be able to find the same thing at a better price at McMaster Carr or other industrial supplier. Rick Girard On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM, rayw wrote: > > Hi all, > > While on the topic of rivets. What type of rivet is used to hold fabric on > the wing ribs etc? Is there a AN number? > > Ray W. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282163#282163 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:38 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Kolb-List: 447 all up wt? ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:48 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation I feel much better using Poly Fiber Fabric Rivets on my airplane. john h mkIII Ray, attached is a picture of Poly Fibers fabric rivet. Spruce has them, but you might be able to find the same thing at a better price at McMaster Carr or other industrial supplier. 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