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Tue 01/19/10


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 05:20 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Thom Riddle)
     2. 05:46 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (lucien)
     3. 06:06 AM - Re: flight plans (lucien)
     4. 06:07 AM - Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
     5. 06:45 AM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (lucien)
     6. 06:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 01/18/10 (Bob Green)
     7. 07:47 AM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (rayw)
     8. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Richard Girard)
     9. 08:47 AM - Re: flight plans (Jack B. Hart)
    10. 08:49 AM - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (John Hauck)
    11. 08:56 AM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
    12. 10:17 AM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Dana Hague)
    13. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel 	pump (Richard Girard)
    14. 10:33 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch)
    15. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel 	pump (Richard Girard)
    16. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel 	pump (Dana Hague)
    17. 11:11 AM - Re: flight plans (John Hauck)
    18. 12:29 PM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
    19. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
    20. 01:32 PM - How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? (Lanny Fetterman)
    21. 01:53 PM - Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (Roger Lee)
    22. 02:51 PM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
    23. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Dana Hague)
    24. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (John Hauck)
    25. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (John Hauck)
    26. 08:29 PM - Re: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? (John Hauck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:20:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    ...why do I suspect that the "new" oil is the old Pennzoil "air cooled 2-stroke oil" in a new (and doubtless more expensive!) package? Probably for the same reason I do. Cynical Thom Definition: A cynic is a realist who is unable to keep his mouth shut. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Write a wise saying and your name will live forever. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282201#282201


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    Time: 05:46:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    The smoking gun will be the service grade, as usual ;). If it meets/exceeds API TC, which is called for in many 2-strokes like the Rotaxen, it'll be good to go. Tho I'm very impressed with the Aeroshell 4-stroke oil (can't remember the API service grade of it offhand). I just did my first oil change on the sport 4 plus yesterday (47 hours) and my magnetic plug came out cleaner than I've ever seen it. Tho it was always fine before using regular automotive oil, with the usual light little bit of silt. This time it was slightly cleaner with a little less silt. Perhaps the additives are doing a little bit extra to reduce wear? Or perhaps this is just down in the noise of normal oil function, who knows ;). OTOH, the oil was still greasy and very very black too, two indicators to me that the oil is doing a really good job inside the motor..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282206#282206


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    Time: 06:06:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: flight plans
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    frank.goodnight(at)att.ne wrote: > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long > X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX I agree with others on flight following instead if you have a transponder. A flight plan vs FF is a little like the difference between snail mail and email. Both will do the job but the flight plan is a little clunkier. I.e. VFR flight plan: - someone realizes you're overdue - people start making phone calls - SAR is dispatched - it's finally discovered you made it to dest. and forgot to close your flight plan - you get yelled at - you possibly get cited with violations, etc. Flight following: - fan stops turning/other problem - you: "Albuquerque center, 972SS just lost the engine, I'm a glider going down" -ATC: "972SS Roger" Boom, ATC has your position and altitude right there on the screen. The know which dot to chase because of your squawk code. They know what happened and where to look etc. So to me, it's really a slam-dunk in favor of FF. Back when I flew GA I used FF for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's great because you're real-time integrated into the ATC system for the major portion of your flight and they can respond real-time to any kind of situation you could end up in during the trip. If you take enough trips of any length it's worth it to fit a transponder and use FF whether or not you file flight plans. I'm thinking about putting one in the titan for this reason... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282208#282208


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    Time: 06:07:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    From: "LageB" <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>
    Hello everybody , This is my first post here. I am so sorry I do not have any Kolb, but hope you don't mind an outsider's questions. I found that my subjects has been up for discussions on this Forum before and hope for great input from here. Background Last year I came over a "Hydrocopter" (built aro 1960) as a fun project. Installed used Rotax 532 engine with Bing 54 carburator. The combo can be seen in this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR6XSdwmnak It was working fine aro 5-6 operating hours. Few weeks ago, it suddenly started to loose rpms and eventually stopped. I could sometimes get the engine started but never reaching top rpm and after 15-30 sec always stops. - I opened up the carburator. Cleaned it, replaced Jets and needles etc. (by the way, unbelievable thing, one needle looked like this: http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/LageB/Rotax%20532/DSCN0930.jpg ...)? YES - after installing the fresh carburator the engine worked well again ... for about 15 minutes. In some occasions the plugs has been dry, other times, it seems the carburetor was flooding as plugs were soaking wet. I suppose I could have a combination of problem. For the process of eliminating failure causes however, I want to find out whether the Mikuni impulse pump possibly operating on/under its limits. I have around 40 inch lifting height on my Hydrocopter. I can not move tank closer to the pump. Maximum lifting height for the Mikuni Does anybody here know official figure what is the maximum allowable height from Fuel tank to the Mikuni fuel pump? Looking at the Rotax installation manual page.15, it says that: 1. If fuel tank is "considerably" lower than pump, an electric pump should be used. (unfortunately it does not specify what "considerably" is..) 2. Electric pump should be connected in parallel (with the impulse pump) to avoid fuel pressure to be excessive I think Rotax' above information is somewhat fuzzy and trying to understand Point 2 I hope someone here could clarify physics (a)-(b) as under: (a) What is the resulting pressure in the case Pumps are installed in series: - Is it "Pump pressure_1" + "Pump pressure_2" ?? (b) What is the Pressure in the case of parallel connection? May I understand that, the pressure (after the pumps) are basically same as from the the pump out of the two, that deliver the highest pressure for the moment? ( I guess the impulse pump's pressure varies with motor rpm) So, for example, if assumption (a) is correct, I would have to make sure that the Electric pump and Impulse pump combined at no time exceeds 7 psi. If the problem is that the impulse pump is not capable of the lifting height in the first place, then, would it not be more safe in that case just simply to have one Electric pump bypassing the Mikuni ? That is, isn't it better making sure I have one Electric pump strong enough that can fully cover pressure range required for my application by itself, rather depending on a combination of 2 pumps where each pump individually possibly are insufficient? Lage Stockholm / Sweden Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282209#282209


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    Time: 06:45:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
    I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some thoughts I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to lift fuel reliably. The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. So I'd say you're probably in the "considerably" zone at that point ;) An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the engine. You'd have to come up with some kind of arrangement to keep the header tank full (feed it with an electric pump and put some kind of fuel level regulation like a float switch or something like that in the tank), but that would be a way to get the fuel level raised to a place where the pneumatic pump could reliably draw fuel. Also make sure the pulse line from the engine to the pneumatic pump is as short as possible. No longer than 12" at the max - too long of a pulse line is the most common installation error I've seen that puts 2-planes down in the dirt than anything else. This will ensure the pump is working as hard as it's supposed to... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282217#282217


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    Time: 06:58:42 AM PST US
    From: Bob Green <bgreen@bimi.org>
    Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 01/18/10
    I always check with Jim and Dondi Miller for any and all covering supplies including rivets. These are service and customer oriented people. ________________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kolb-List Digest Server [kolb-list@matronics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:58 AM Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 01/18/10 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-01-18&Archive=Kolb Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-01-18&Archive=Kolb =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/18/10: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:44 AM - flight plans (frank.goodnight) 2. 06:31 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (Thom Riddle) 3. 06:50 AM - New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (John Hauck) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (albertakolbmk3) 5. 07:12 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Herb) 6. 07:16 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Dana Hague) 7. 07:16 AM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Vic) 8. 07:34 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch) 9. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (Dana Hague) 10. 07:37 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (albertakolbmk3) 11. 08:04 AM - Re: flight plans (b young) 12. 08:05 AM - Re: flight plans (Richard Pike) 13. 08:09 AM - Re: flight plans (Robert Laird) 14. 08:31 AM - Re: flight plans (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 15. 08:46 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch) 16. 09:09 AM - Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart) 17. 09:21 AM - Re: flight plans (Dana Hague) 18. 09:33 AM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Dana Hague) 19. 09:34 AM - Re: flight plans (frank.goodnight) 20. 11:50 AM - Re: flight plans (b young) 21. 12:04 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart) 22. 12:38 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (robert bean) 23. 01:16 PM - Re: flight plans (Dana Hague) 24. 01:40 PM - Re: flight plans (Vincent Nicely) 25. 01:49 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart) 26. 06:04 PM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (rayw) 27. 06:15 PM - OAT sensor location (albertakolbmk3) 28. 06:35 PM - 447 all up wt? (Herb) 29. 06:53 PM - Re: OAT sensor location (Richard Girard) 30. 06:53 PM - Re: flight plans (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 31. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Richard Girard) 32. 06:56 PM - 447 all up wt? (Herb) 33. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:25 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net> Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all Kolbers, As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over lightly populated areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. Thanks Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville ,TX ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com> Tony, Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intention but I have the Icom A6 adapters for headset, external power etc and use the PTT on the joystick without any modification to the PTT switch on the A6. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Write a wise saying and your name will live forever. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282055#282055 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/icom_a6_ptt_diagram_517.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:28 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=ab8e8d4d-de2f-4687-84ba-8f478fd37a2f john h MKIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com> The problem is that ultralight helmets only have the one cable for both intercom and headset so there are 5 wires. The stick grip I bought only has the one NO switch for intercom. Just wondering if there is a way I can still utilize the one button on the grip without having to go back to using the velcro attached button that has the two switches in it. -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282060#282060 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:01 AM PST US From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:00 AM PST US From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft At 09:49 AM 1/18/2010, John Hauck wrote: > >http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=ab8e8d4d-de2f-4687-84ba-8f478fd37a2f Since Shell recently bought Pennzoil, why do I suspect that the "new" oil is the old Pennzoil "air cooled 2-stroke oil" in a new (and doubtless more expensive!) package? <http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/aesppl212qu.html> -Dana -- Ever notice the Secret Service and the Nazi SS have the same initials? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:10 AM PST US From: "Vic" <vicsv@myfairpoint.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets used in lexan installation Tony, I used all aluminun fabric rivets. They covered the enlarged holes in the lexan well. 2 yrs. no problem yet. Ptt switch. Sounds like just an option. Vic Xtra 912 Maine ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:52 AM PST US From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank=2C I have taken a few long distance X-country flight (several hundred miles each). Most have been in my Cessna 172s that I used to own=2C but one was with a group of guys flying to Arlington Airshow with two Quicksilver 2-pla ces. While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle=2C one of the Q uicks threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop. Fortunately=2C there was an eme rgency airstrip near the summit=2C and the pilot had enough altitude to gli de in. We=2C the ground crew=2C drove to him=2C dissasembled the plane=2C and rolled it into the trailer we were towing. Luckily=2C this situation turned out to be a non-event (a two hour inconv enience). Had this mishap occur over "rough terrain"=2C he would have been S.O.L.!!! On a couple of C-172 cross country's I've flown over "inhospitable" terra in. If something happened that would have caused me to go down=2C it would have taken days for a ground crew (or rescue) to get to me. High pucker f actor. Didn't like it much. My last x-country flight=2C from northern California to southern Utah=2C by way of the southern route=2C was mostly over main freeways. I also flew with "flight following" the whole way=2C with LA Center=2C and Las Vegas C enter. HUGE comfort factor. I said all that to say this=3B if I were going to fly x-country=2C and i t was my first trip=2C and it was in an experimental airplane=2C I would no t even consider anything but a route above major roads. If=2C for whatever reason=2C you have to land the plane where you don't i ntend=2C your retrieval could be a thousand times harder in rough terrian. What could have been a simple dissambly=2C and roll into a trailer=2C may now be a massively expensive=2C arduous rescue. Ask our buddy Dennis how much a helicopter costs to go get your plane. Other people may have a different take on x-country flights=2C but for me =2C I'll stay with the highway routes when possible. Besides=2C why is it a bad thing to fly your plane a little longer?? Just my thoughts..... Mike Welch MkIII CX > From: frank.goodnight@att.net > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 03:43:34 -0600 > et> > > > Hi all Kolbers=2C > > As i am still gearing up for=2C and trying to learn about my first long > X country=2C I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone =2C GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking =2Ccheck in =2C I'm OK =2C and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville =2CTX > > ========== ========== ========== ========== > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:52 AM PST US From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring At 10:11 AM 1/18/2010, albertakolbmk3 wrote: > >The problem is that ultralight helmets only have the one cable for both >intercom and headset so there are 5 wires. The stick grip I bought only >has the one NO switch for intercom. Just wondering if there is a way I can >still utilize the one button on the grip without having to go back to >using the velcro attached button that has the two switches in it. Does the NC switch turn on the intercom when the radio's not transmitting? If so, you could wire the NO button on the stick to work a relay that has both NC and NO contacts, and the relay switches the radio and intercom. -Dana -- Ever notice the Secret Service and the Nazi SS have the same initials? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com> Dana, That's a good idea... I'll have to check on that. Thanks, Tony -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282070#282070 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:55 AM PST US From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all Kolbers, As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over lightly populated areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. Thanks Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville ,TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank I try to use a flight plan for this reason. If you don't check in at the time you said you would arrive,,,, they send someone to look for you right a way. If something happened, and you did not have cell coverage, or you could not get the spot's buttons pushed or operating, due to damage to the spot or you. Who would know. Boyd ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flight plans From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> I am not much of a cross country pilot anymore, but here is what I liked to do - Know the center sector frequency for whatever airspace you are in. If you have a transponder and want flight following, that's ok, personally I don't much like flying with constant FAA chatter in my ear. But if you know what sector you are in, roll up on their frequency, make sure you can hear the controller talking, and then turn the volume down and go back to listening to your mp3 player. You will need to have some idea of sector boundaries and when to change to the next frequency. If the fan quits turning, turn up the radio volume, and if no one else is talking, you do it just like in the movies: "Indy (whatever) Center, Mayday, mayday, mayday. Homebuilt Nxxxx just had an engine failure, let me know when you are ready to copy my position." And if you have a transponder, squawk 7700. Believe me, you will have everybodies undivided attention. Because if the controller misses it and fails to respond, you will almost certainly get some other pilot asking about it (Center, did you hear that Mayday?). Which is what you want. While you are waiting for the center to reply, flip your gps to show your present lat/longs. When center replies, read them off. Twice. If you know where you are relative to a landmark on the sectional or whatever, that's good too. Between that and your 7700 code, they will know where you are. (If you glide another 5 miles away from where you said, you better let somebody know...) Then concentrate on flying the airplane, the feds can no longer help you. They will ask you questions like souls on board, altitude, etc, and it's nice to have that going on, but mostly you need to be flying the airplane. There are probably other good ways to do it, and if you don't mind listening to FAA chatter, active flight following is best, but after having spent 30 years in the FAA, doing flight following and working various emergencies, that's how I would do it. PS: Worth what ya paid for it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282077#282077 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com> Filing a flight plan is never a BAD idea, but a lot of people see it as an inconvenience and/or hate to think they're relying on "big brother." However, if you have a (bad) habit of not closing your plans, then you should probably not open one. In your case, for this trip, it's probably a good idea. (Note: if you land at a tiny, out-of-the-way airport and have no cell signal, and there's no phone around, you could have a real problem.) Flight following can be very useful and provide a comfort zone, but you have to be high enough for your radio to contact them. This might preclude any ideas about flying low. Make sure you have plenty of experience using your SPOT, and that your email goes to a wide variety of people, and that those people know what to look out for (the SOS message). You should also try to carry 2-days of water/food, an emergency blanket, matches, duct tape, tie wraps, extra batteries for the GPS, and a knife/tool-kit. There was once a downed pilot that wasn't too far off the beaten track, but broke a leg and couldn't go anywhere, so, having those essentials might help, even if you're following roads. -- Robert Houston, TX On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:43 AM, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote: > frank.goodnight@att.net> > > > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X > country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over > lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you > please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has > tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank I have flown a number of cross countries mostly in GA aircraft but some in my MKIII. If you are concerned about someone finding you follow roads as Mike suggests. The best way to have someone track you is to use flight following. They watch your every move, mostly good, but they will also see every mistake. The biggest problem with flight following is that is optional. The controllers will follow only if they have time and have the desire to follow. Flight plans work well if you follow the plan and remember to close the plan. Way too often pilots forget to close them. Because of this there may be some delay in searching for you. Spot is good but never used one. The old ELTs work but had so many false alarms the rescue people way too often ignored them. As soon as the new frequencies and spots get popular I would guess they also will be ignored. I have used flight following in my Kolb a few times but I generally fly cross county without any of this stuff except for my cell phone. I have a old ELT because it is required. In Michigan we have a Lake Watch for crossing the great lakes which I will no longer do. They require you to check in like every 5 minutes after you establish the watch or they send a helicopter. Other areas of the country may have watch areas such as mountain watches you can use. If you can't get flight following the next best are the watch services. Again worth what you paid for it. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:43 AM Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans > <frank.goodnight@att.net> > > > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X > country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys > over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you > please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that > has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:42 AM PST US From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank=2C I failed to address your flight plan question. Yes! I would file a flig ht plan. Be sure to open it=2C and also be sure to close it. Plus=2C don' t forget to check in with ATC once in awhile=2C so they know your progress along your route. One important thing to remember regarding flight plans or flight followin g: You do NOT have to wait for you to land to close it out! Usually=2C wh e I have the airport in sight (maybe 10-15 minutes out)=2C I close my fligh t following. You obviously "made it"=2C and don't need the service anymore . Why wait until you get on the ground=2C get busy and have them hunt you down? I would also draw an exact route of your intended path on a sectional=2C and leave a copy with a person on your SPOT email notification. Your cell phone will not be of much value if you stray too far away from highways. T he cell phone towers do NOT give you coverage out in the boondocks. It's definitely a good idea to have some of the supplies Richard P. menti oned. Like I said=2C if it were me=2C I'd chart my route along major roads . In the event of a mishap=2C your landing may be on the road=2C your cell phone will more likely work=2C your retrieval vehicle can drive right up t o you=2C and help could be the next car to drive past you. A mishap way out in the sticks will not have any of the above. Mike Welch > From: frank.goodnight@att.net > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 03:43:34 -0600 > et> > > > Hi all Kolbers=2C > > As i am still gearing up for=2C and trying to learn about my first long > X country=2C I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone =2C GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking =2Ccheck in =2C I'm OK =2C and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville =2CTX > > ========== ========== ========== ========== > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:38 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages Kolbers, I put up a couple of new pages. Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html Trying to save some weight with new starter and magneto kill switches: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly154.html Experiencing a heat wave. Highs in the low 40's. A week of ground fog as the snow slowly dissipates. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:53 AM PST US From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans I don't think I've filed a flight plan since I got my license, over 30 years ago. If you're just talking VFR flight plan, that's no different from letting somebody know where you're going and when you should be expected to arrive. I did some long cross countries in the T-Craft, but I never had a radio so I couldn't use flight following or anything like that anyway. In the Kolb I do have a radio, but I route my flights over areas where I can make a safe landing... no long legs over the forest... and most of Connecticut isn't exactly remote anyway. -Dana -- The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:02 AM PST US From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages At 12:08 PM 1/18/2010, Jack B. Hart wrote: >Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel >management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications: > >http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html Jack, if the Tillotson carb already has high and low speed mixture screws, why are you messing with pressure probes and mixing valve? -Dana -- The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:19 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all, Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 times I forgot to close, 35 years ago just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am older now and a little more settled may be that I can remember the things that I have to do. The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share. I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:04 AM, b young wrote: > > Hi all Kolbers, > > As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long > X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X > countrys over lightly populated > areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do > you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would > you please tell me your reasoning for your decision? > FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater > that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features. > Thanks > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > Brownsville ,TX > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Frank > I try to use a flight plan for this reason. If you don't check > in at > the time you said you would arrive,,,, they send someone to look > for you > right a way. If something happened, and you did not have cell > coverage, > or you could not get the spot's buttons pushed or operating, due to > damage > to the spot or you. Who would know. > > Boyd > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:25 AM PST US From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans Hi all, Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 times I forgot to close, 35 years ago just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am older now and a little more settled may be that I can remember the things that I have to do. The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share. I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The worst I have ever had is no phone at the destination airport... it took a bit of time to be able to call in and cancel, ( had to go across the street 1/4 mile after securing the plane) .. in the in between time they had called my wife. But when I got to a phone I called the faa and my wife. So all was good. It happened at monument valley. No radio coverage at MV on the ground... best to close the flight plan while still at altitude. Or plan some extra time to get to a phone. My cell had no coverage at mv. Boyd Do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:45 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> > .......................... Jack, if the Tillotson carb already has high and low speed mixture screws, why are you messing with pressure probes and mixing valve? > Dana, While I am at it I want to investigate both methods. I went mechanical because I know it will work. During the ground testing, I have noticed that the MZ 34 EGT has a tendency to float up a little when one closes the throttle. This may be due to the vent position for the volume underneath the fuel flow diaphragm. It is not a good static pressure vent. The pneumatic system produced near constant EGT settings on the Bing 54 and the Victor 1+. I want to see if it will work on the Tillotson and the MZ 34. If so, overall it will be much lighter than the mechanical system that tweaks the needle jets. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> Jack, do you have any other hobbies? BB do not archive :) On 18, Jan 2010, at 12:08 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > Kolbers, > > I put up a couple of new pages. > > Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel > management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html > > Trying to save some weight with new starter and magneto kill switches: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly154.html > > Experiencing a heat wave. Highs in the low 40's. A week of ground fog as > the snow slowly dissipates. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:33 PM PST US From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans At 02:49 PM 1/18/2010, b young wrote: >The worst I have ever had is no phone at the destination airport... it >took a bit of time to be able to call in and cancel, ( had to go across the >street 1/4 mile after securing the plane) .. in the in between time they >had called my wife... I forgot to close my flight plan once, while I was still a student pilot. I remembered several hours later, all panicky (I was 17 at the time and they'd emphasized that you'd pay for an unnecessary search). The guy at the FSS when I called was real friendly, "don't worry, it's OK, nobody's lookin' for you." No doubt since it was a controlled field I landed at the first thing they did was contact the tower and verify I'd arrived. -Dana do not archive -- If you don't grow up by age 35, you don't have to. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:14 PM PST US From: Vincent Nicely <vincenic1@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank, I have used a simple device to help remember to open and close flight plans. I put a small patch of Velcro on the instrument panel. Then, I made a small tag with "Open Flight Plan" written on one side and "Close Flight Plan" written on the other side and a small piece of the mating Velcro on each side. With the tag attached to the Velcro, say just above the ignition switches, it is hard to forget to open or close the flight plan. Vince Nicely do not archive b young wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a > flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 > times I forgot to close, 35 years ago > just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad > enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am > older now and a little more settled may be that > I can remember the things that I have to do. > The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of > aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ > C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share. > I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:07 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages At 03:36 PM 1/18/10 -0500, you wrote: > >Jack, do you have any other hobbies? >BB >do not archive :) Bob, As one ages he realizes that one must cut back a little to do the truely fun things. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation From: "rayw" <rmwis@wi-net.com> Hi all, While on the topic of rivets. What type of rivet is used to hold fabric on the wing ribs etc? Is there a AN number? Ray W. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282163#282163 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: OAT sensor location From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com> Just getting my new GR EIS wired up and would like to know where others have put the OAT sensor on the plane (if your using it). I would think that out of sunlight and air movement would be best? -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282165#282165 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:24 PM PST US From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com> Subject: Kolb-List: 447 all up wt? ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: OAT sensor location From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> Tony, out of the moving air is not a problem for a sensor or thermometer. Wind chill isn't a factor since it gives an equivalent temperature on exposed skin, unless you're using one of those "red neck" type sensors. Rick Girard On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 PM, albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>wrote: > cheriebraun@xplornet.com> > > Just getting my new GR EIS wired up and would like to know where others > have put the OAT sensor on the plane (if your using it). I would think that > out of sunlight and air movement would be best? > > -------- > Tony B. > > Kolb MKIII C > Rotax 582 > C Gearbox 3.00:1 > WD 66&quot; 3 Blade Prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282165#282165 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@AOL.COM> Vic in Maine you need something like that that says take off on one side and Land on the other Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Nicely <vincenic1@embarqmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans Frank, I have used a simple device to help remember to open and close flight plan s. I put a small patch of Velcro on the instrument panel. Then, I made a small tag with "Open Flight Plan" written on one side and "Close Flight Plan" written on the other side and a small piece of the mating Velcro on each side. With the tag attached to the Velcro, say just above the igniti on switches, it is hard to forget to open or close the flight plan. Vince Nicely do not archive b young wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a > flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 > times I forgot to close, 35 years ago > just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad > enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am > older now and a little more settled may be that > I can remember the things that I have to do. > The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of > aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ > C.Thanks aga in to those that are willing to share. > I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way. > > Frank Goodnight > Firestar 2 > ======================= =========== ======================= =========== ======================= =========== ======================= =========== ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> Ray, attached is a picture of Poly Fibers fabric rivet. Spruce has them, but you might be able to find the same thing at a better price at McMaster Carr or other industrial supplier. Rick Girard On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM, rayw <rmwis@wi-net.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > While on the topic of rivets. What type of rivet is used to hold fabric on > the wing ribs etc? Is there a AN number? > > Ray W. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282163#282163 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:38 PM PST US From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com> Subject: Kolb-List: 447 all up wt? ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:48 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation I feel much better using Poly Fiber Fabric Rivets on my airplane. john h mkIII Ray, attached is a picture of Poly Fibers fabric rivet. Spruce has them, but you might be able to find the same thing at a better price at McMaster Carr or other industrial supplier. Rick Girard


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    Time: 07:47:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation
    From: "rayw" <rmwis@wi-net.com>
    Thank you for your helpful replies. I am going to do a re-cover and don't have much to go by. Any suggestions on fabric weight/type etc? It is a Twin star Mark II Ray W Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282229#282229


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    Time: 08:35:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Ray, Get a copy of the Poly Fiber manual before you do anything else and read it thorougly. Pay particular attention to appendix A if you are weight conscious about your project. Rick Girard On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:46 AM, rayw <rmwis@wi-net.com> wrote: > > Thank you for your helpful replies. I am going to do a re-cover and don't > have much to go by. Any suggestions on fabric weight/type etc? It is a Twin > star Mark II > > Ray W > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282229#282229 > >


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    Time: 08:47:24 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: flight plans
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> .................... > While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle, one of the Quicks threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop. > ............. Mike, What was the cause of failure? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:49:07 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4
    Aircraft Spruce sells Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 for 7.95 a quart, or nearly 32.00 a gal. I use Shell Rotella full synthetic in my 912ULS, at 17.00 a gal from Wal-Mart. That is about half the price of Aeroshell Sport Plus 4, plus there is still a hefty tab to ship. I started out using Mobil 1 full synthetic, then Castrol fll synthetic, Valvoline synthetic blend, and finally Shell Rotella full synthetic when it came on to the market. I don't have any scientific observations. Have flown my three 912 series engines for nearly 3,000 hours. I, honestly, can tell no difference in performance/service between any of the synthetic oils I have used for the past 16 years in my 912's. I use Rotella, organic, in every 4 stroke I have except the Suzuki dirt bike, Honda Rincon ATV, and Onan 5500 generator, which I use Rotella full synthetic. The 912ULS, Suzuki, and Honda Ricon, all use integral engine/transmission/wet clutch. The Suzuki has 300 hours, the Rincon 3,500 miles, and the 912ULS over 400 hours. All operate perfectly. No problem with clutch slippage. Based on the short oil change cycle of the 912ULS, 25 to 50 hours, makes sense to me to stick with the cheap oil. BTW: My 1992 Dodge Cummins, which has spent its life pulling a 30' fifth wheel (and double pulling the fifth wheel and utility trailer with dirt bike and ATV) for over 367,000 miles, uses Shell Rotella organic oil. Wonder if it would last longer on full synthetic??? ;-) john h mkIII


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    Time: 08:56:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    From: "LageB" <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>
    lucien wrote: > I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some thoughts I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to lift fuel reliably. The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. So I'd say you're probably in the "considerably" zone at that point ;) > > An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the engine. LS Thanks Lucien :) I am inclined to think same, i.e that 40" is probably in the risk zone for the Mikuni to suck & feed the Dual Bing 54 carbs I have no space for a tank closer to the engine (it would have been best - I know). So, for me the questions are: (1) Is it some way to confirm that 40" indeed is too much? (2) If too much. Then no choice. An electric pump must be installed. either as: - Stand alone ? -> If so, what pressure spec? or, - Series or parallel -> If so, what pressure specs (should be different depending whether parallel or series connection - right?) Since this is not an Aircraft, I am thinking to adopt Stand alone option (by-passing the impulse pump) for simplicity. Would a Automobile fuel pump 5.0 Psi, 130L/h work? Lage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282248#282248


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    Time: 10:17:32 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    At 09:07 AM 1/19/2010, LageB wrote: >It was working fine aro 5-6 operating hours. Few weeks ago, it suddenly >started to loose rpms and eventually stopped. I could sometimes get the >engine started but never reaching top rpm and after 15-30 sec always stops. >- I opened up the carburator. Cleaned it, replaced Jets and needles etc. >(by the way, unbelievable thing, one needle looked like this: >http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/LageB/Rotax%20532/DSCN0930.jpg >...)? > >YES - after installing the fresh carburator the engine worked well again >... for about 15 minutes. It could be that your engine is partially seized from lean mixture (not enough fuel). When this happens, sometimes the engine seems to run fine for a short time, then seizes again as it warms up. To check, you need to pull the exhaust and look at the pistons through the exhaust ports. >Maximum lifting height for the Mikuni >Does anybody here know official figure what is the maximum allowable >height from Fuel tank to the Mikuni fuel pump? I believe 24" is the recommended maximum. >I think Rotax' above information is somewhat fuzzy and trying to >understand Point 2 I hope someone here could clarify physics (a)-(b) as >under: > >(a) What is the resulting pressure in the case Pumps are installed in series: >- Is it "Pump pressure_1" + "Pump pressure_2" ?? With an electric pump pushing fuel to a pulse pump, the final pressure will be whichever pump is putting out the higher pressure, since the pulse pump's output pressure is still limited to the available crankcase pressure. If you had two electric pumps in series, it would be P1+P2. >b) What is the Pressure in the case of parallel connection? Whichever pump's pressure is higher. A single electric pump with enough pressure (like the Facet) would probably be fine. Another thing to look for is air leaks in the fuel line... either inside the tank so it starts to suck air after the fuel level drops, or it sucks air at high rpm's and can't keep up with the engine's demand. Looks like a fun toy btw. -Dana -- Can I deduct last years taxes as a bad investment?


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    Time: 10:24:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel
    pump
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    >From CPS for Part #53 (?) Instructions for Mikuni fuel pumps. The full text can be found here. http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part%2053.PDF "....you have to realize that the system does have limitations as far as expected fuel pressure and the distance up hill the fuel can be expected to rise. A vertical rise of no more than 39=94 can be accepted out of any puls e pump. Anything higher and count on deliver problems. Another thing to remember is that the pulse pump is always limited to the pressures or pumping value of the crankcase. With a pulse pump it is nearly impossible t o create too much pressure for the Carb float level. Also keep in mind that the fuel pressure available will fall off as the crank seals and gaskets being to leak over time." I also looked at Mikuni's website. They have no info that I could find anyway, but they do list a DF-62 fuel pump that delivers up to 62 liters pe r hour. The DF-35 pumps that most of use are rated at 35 liters per hour. Rick Girard On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, LageB <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net> wrote: > > > lucien wrote: > > I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some > thoughts I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to > lift fuel reliably. The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. S o > I'd say you're probably in the "considerably" zone at that point ;) > > > > An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the engin e. > LS > > > Thanks Lucien :) > > I am inclined to think same, i.e that 40" is probably in the risk zone fo r > the Mikuni to suck & feed the Dual Bing 54 carbs > I have no space for a tank closer to the engine (it would have been best - > I know). So, for me the questions are: > > (1) Is it some way to confirm that 40" indeed is too much? > > (2) If too much. Then no choice. An electric pump must be installed. > either as: > - Stand alone ? -> If so, what pressure spec? > or, > - Series or parallel -> If so, what pressure specs (should be > different depending whether parallel or series connection - right?) > > Since this is not an Aircraft, I am thinking to adopt Stand alone option > (by-passing the impulse pump) for simplicity. > Would a Automobile fuel pump 5.0 Psi, 130L/h work? > > > Lage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282248#282248 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 10:33:55 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: flight plans
    > While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle=2C one of the Q uicks > threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop. > > > ............. > > Mike=2C > > What was the cause of failure? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester=2C IN Hi Jack=2C I don't recall what caused the prop to lose a blade. To be honest=2C I d on't think I ever knew the exact reason for the failure. I was more like a bystander in the situation=2C than a participant. A fellow student pilot and I were the ground crew for the two Quicksilver 2-placers. We drove the pickup and trailer that had the camping supplies and fuel. It was a full enclosure trailer=2C to haul a plane=2C if it was needed. Obviously=2C it turned out to be the case. This incident was on our way to the 1994 Arlington Airshow. I do remembe r that the Warp Drive people met with him (Dan=2C my instructor)=2C and I t hink they got everything worked out okay. Even the Rotax people even got i nvolved=2C due to the tremendous=2C violent shaking the engine experienced. Both vendors were present at the airshow anyway=2C so they got to work im mediately resolving the problem. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.


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    Time: 10:34:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel
    pump
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    I did some more poking around to look for more info on Mikuni fuel pumps. For what it's worth I found that JC Whitney has all models of Mikuni fuel pumps, even the three outlet version of the -35, at fairly reasonable prices. They even have the -62 pump for $45.99 (less than CPS charges for a -35), so if you need more fuel delivery there's a reasonable option. Rick Girard On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote : > From CPS for Part #53 (?) Instructions for Mikuni fuel pumps. The full te xt > can be found here. > > http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part%2053.PDF > > "....you have to realize that the system does have limitations as far as > expected fuel pressure and the distance up hill the fuel can be expected to > rise. A vertical rise of no more than 39=94 can be accepted out of any pu lse > pump. Anything higher and count on deliver problems. Another thing to > remember is that the pulse pump is always limited to the pressures or > pumping value of the crankcase. With a pulse pump it is nearly impossible to > create too much pressure for the Carb float level. Also keep in mind that > the fuel pressure available will fall off as the crank seals and gaskets > being to leak over time." > > I also looked at Mikuni's website. They have no info that I could find > anyway, but they do list a DF-62 fuel pump that delivers up to 62 liters per > hour. The DF-35 pumps that most of use are rated at 35 liters per hour. > > Rick Girard > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, LageB <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>wrote : > >> >> >> lucien wrote: >> > I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some >> thoughts I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to >> lift fuel reliably. The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. So >> I'd say you're probably in the "considerably" zone at that point ;) >> > >> > An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the >> engine. LS >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Lucien :) >> >> I am inclined to think same, i.e that 40" is probably in the risk zone f or >> the Mikuni to suck & feed the Dual Bing 54 carbs >> I have no space for a tank closer to the engine (it would have been best >> - I know). So, for me the questions are: >> >> (1) Is it some way to confirm that 40" indeed is too much? >> >> (2) If too much. Then no choice. An electric pump must be installed. >> either as: >> - Stand alone ? -> If so, what pressure spec? >> or, >> - Series or parallel -> If so, what pressure specs (should be >> different depending whether parallel or series connection - right?) >> >> Since this is not an Aircraft, I am thinking to adopt Stand alone option >> (by-passing the impulse pump) for simplicity. >> Would a Automobile fuel pump 5.0 Psi, 130L/h work? >> >> >> Lage >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282248#282248 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =========== =========== =========== =========== >> >> >> >> >


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    Time: 11:00:10 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel
    pump At 01:19 PM 1/19/2010, Richard Girard wrote: >..."Another thing to remember is that the pulse pump is always limited to >the pressures or pumping value of the crankcase. With a pulse pump it is >nearly impossible to create too much pressure for the Carb float level..." Almost correct... or correct if the proper float needle and seat are used. Gravity feed systems use a larger needle and seat. If a pump is used with the large needle/seat, the pump will push fuel right past the needle and the engine will flood. -Dana -- Can I deduct last years taxes as a bad investment?


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    Time: 11:11:43 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: flight plans
    Mike W/Gang: I too, was at 1994 Arlington Flyin. Had just gotten back into the Lower 48 from Alaska. Bob, with Warp Drive, was there. He helped me do some field repairs to my three Warp Drive Blades with JB Weld. I had flown in a lot of heavy rain which caused erosion just inboard the nickle steel leading edges. At that time 11" edges were max. Now we have 15" edges which cover the area that was subject to rain erosion. Larry Bourne was also there. He reminded me that I didn't think it was a good idea for him to try on my MKIII for size. I don't remember the incident, but do remember I still had a long way to fly to get back home to Alabama, by way of the northern, eastern perimeter of CONUS, and the west coast of Florida. And to keep this comment relative to the subject line, no, I do not file flight plans with FAA while flying in CONUS. However, I do flight follow with friend or family in Alabama and Florida. john h mkIII This incident was on our way to the 1994 Arlington Airshow. I do remember that the Warp Drive people met with him (Dan, my instructor), and I think they got everything worked out okay. Even the Rotax people even got involved, due to the tremendous, violent shaking the engine experienced. Both vendors were present at the airshow anyway, so they got to work immediately resolving the problem. Mike Welch MkIII


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    Time: 12:29:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    From: "LageB" <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>
    Why are new threads on same subject posted ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282304#282304


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    Time: 12:48:40 PM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    Isn't this getting a bit off the rules of our list? Lets keep it Kolb related. A quick question is fine but..... At least do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "LageB" <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump > > Why are new threads on same subject posted ? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282304#282304 > > >


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    Time: 01:32:38 PM PST US
    From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>
    Subject: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump?
    Hi All, When I flew the Quicksilver MX, I had an in flight fuel pump failure. The MX used the Mikuni, rectangular pump. After that failure, I started rebuilding it every other flying season. The little flapper valves always looked wrinkled and in need of replacement. When I built the Firestar II it called for the dual round Mikuni pump. I continued with my bi-annual fuel pump rebuild, however, the parts I replaced always looked like new. I am thinking a rebuild every other year is overkill. Any thoughts before I order a rebuild kit? Thanks in advance. Lanny


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    Time: 01:53:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Hi John, It's been a while. Just a comment. The oils used in a Rotax should be motorcycle oil because the engine oil is also the gearbox oil like in a motorcycle and has addition additives just for the gears in the gearbox. Rotax has a new "Line Maint" manual out. Rotax has changed several things and not just a sentence or two. It is on line and they have made some significant changes on the oil and plugs. Actually everyone should download a copy. 91 oct. users can use full synthetic, but people who use a lot of 100LL (more than 30% of the time) should be using a semi synthetic. Dino oil is just barley ok. The synthetics can handle more extremes on all ends of the usage spectrum (i.e. temps, pressures, shears and the ability to stay on parts). Full synthetic will not suspend the lead in 100LL and it falls out in the crankcase and gearbox. p.s. We do a Fly-In for Monument Valley, Grand Canyon, Lake Powell, Bryce and Zion, but we do it in October and have 30 aircraft that attend. We use Page as a base because of the parking and facilities. Hotels are $49 and food is catered. We do a dam and Antelope canyon day tour as well. They are all LSA except maybe 1-2. This year it is Oct. 14th-18th. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282316#282316


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    Time: 02:51:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    From: "LageB" <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>
    My apologies Rick Nielsen, Kindly bear with me further (just in this thread) and I will be out of here after this thread To Dana: Many thanks for good advices. I will follow your recommendation and pull exhaust to check any damage :( May I understand you so, that in case "El.pump + Puls.pump" combination, the resulting pressure will be whichever pump's pressure is higher, actually regardless whether I connect in series or parallel? If so, Rotax' choice of words are somewhat misleading when they say that pumps should be connected in parallel to avoid excessive pressure.... To Rickofudall: Thanks a lot for informative links LageB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282323#282323


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    Time: 03:23:52 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel
    pump At 05:50 PM 1/19/2010, LageB wrote: >May I understand you so, that in case "El.pump + Puls.pump" combination, >the resulting pressure will be whichever pump's pressure is higher, >actually regardless whether I connect in series or parallel? >If so, Rotax' choice of words are somewhat misleading when they say that >pumps should be connected in parallel to avoid excessive pressure.... I could be wrong, just going on theory here, but the way I see the pressure from a pulse pump in series with an upstream electric pump is not additive. Here's how I see it, feel free to knock holes in the theory: Fuel is drawn into the pulse pump chamber when crankcase vacuum pulls on the diaphragm and the inlet check valve opens, or the upstream electric pump pushes it in. When the piston moves down and creates crankcase pressure, that pressure is transmitted to the diaphragm and in turn to the fuel in the pump chamber, and only if it's greater than the electric pump pressure does the inlet check valve opens. At the point there is no connection to the fuel upstream of the pulse pump, so the only thing pushing fuel to the carburetor is the diaphragm... as if the electric pump didn't exist. If the electric pump creates a greater pressure than the pulse pump can, the inlet check valve will never close at all, and the fuel pressure in the pump chamber will push back on the diaphragm so that it never moves, and it's as if the pulse pump didn't exist. Either way, the pressures don't add. The pulse pump doesn't create a differential pressure between intake and outlet; it creates first a vacuum, then an outlet pressure... not at the same time so they're not related. I'm familiar with the internal workings of a Facet pump, but if (like most electric rotary pumps) it creates a continuous differential pressure, then if you put the electric pump _downstream_ of the pulse pump, the pressures WILL add. Yes, I know we're not talking directly about a Kolb here, but many of our Kolbs have an identical fuel system so I see it as "Kolb related." -Dana -- 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds


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    Time: 08:29:09 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4
    Hi Roger L/Gang: I have had excellent service from the oils I use in my 912ULS engines. Frequent gear box inspections indicate zero wear. Can't get much better than that. I find Shell Rotella Full Synthetic does as good a job with lead as Valvoline Durablend, based on my own inspections during frequent oil changes. I have less lead residue in the bottom of the oil tank with Rotella than with Durablend and other oils I have used in the past on this and the other two 912s I have had. Motor oil does a great job of lubricating gears, whether it says "motor cycle" on the can or not. I put over 300,000 miles on a Getrag 5 speed behind my Cummins pulling 5th wheel most of those miles. Not bad. Recommended lube is 5W30 motor oil. Really thin stuff. I addressed clutch slippage in my previous post. No problem with Rotax, Honda, or Suzuki wet clutches. Until tonight when I read the SI on the Rotax site, I thought Aero Shell Sport Plus 4 was full synthetic. When I found out it was a blend, 8.00 a quart seems even more like highway robbery. I also took note that most of the stuff Rotax recommends to use, or not to use, is based on field experience, not manufacturers testing. That is also what I base my decisions on. That is how Rotax established TBO's, which are recommendations only. I don't tell others what to use, only share what I do. Other folks can make up their own mind. I made it a point to be at the flyin at Monument Valley last October. Drove down from Moab to spend the weekend and hopefully meet up with you and others of like interest. However, when I got there, it turned out to be a powered parachute/para glider flyin. Not a single fixed wing. Didn't know you all were basing out of Page or I would have stopped in there. Instead, I left MV and met Mike and Jan Marker at Hanksville, who were camped out at the airport. Mike flew in with his Murphy Rebel and Jan drove the motor home. They stayed a week, I stayed with them for the weekend. Not much fun to go to a flyin without an airplane. If I had had a powered parachute, I would have had more fun at MV. Is your flyin restricted??? Do you all camp or stay in the hotel? Is this an LSA Only Flyin and Around? We'll be back at Monument Valley next May in the mkIII. Everyone is welcome, if you can stand it. ;-) Flew in a T shirt this afternoon. Had a ball. Weather was perfect. First flight with my new ICOM A6. I can hear again. It has much more volume, plus adjustable volume on the side tone. Side tone that actually works. I can hear!!! john h mkIII - 2,985.0 hours 912ULS - 416.5 hours


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    Time: 08:29:40 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump
    > Isn't this getting a bit off the rules of our list? Lets keep it Kolb > related. A quick question is fine but..... > > At least do not archive > > Rick Neilsen Rick N/Gang: I agree whole heartedly. There is a Rotax List in Matronics to address Rotax questions. We talk as lot about Rotax here on the Kolb List as they pertain to their use in our Kolb aircraft. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:29:43 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump?
    I am thinking a rebuild every other year is overkill. Any > thoughts before I order a rebuild kit? Thanks in advance. Lanny Lanny/Gang: I guess you could stretch it to three years if two years is an overkill. Let us know if you have a fuel pump failure between two and three years. ;-) john h mkIII




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