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1. 05:20 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (lucien)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: flight plans (lucien)
4. 06:07 AM - Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (lucien)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 01/18/10 (Bob Green)
7. 07:47 AM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (rayw)
8. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Richard Girard)
9. 08:47 AM - Re: flight plans (Jack B. Hart)
10. 08:49 AM - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (John Hauck)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
12. 10:17 AM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Dana Hague)
13. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Richard Girard)
14. 10:33 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Richard Girard)
16. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Dana Hague)
17. 11:11 AM - Re: flight plans (John Hauck)
18. 12:29 PM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
19. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
20. 01:32 PM - How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? (Lanny Fetterman)
21. 01:53 PM - Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (Roger Lee)
22. 02:51 PM - Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (LageB)
23. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (Dana Hague)
24. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (John Hauck)
25. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump (John Hauck)
26. 08:29 PM - Re: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft |
...why do I suspect that the "new" oil is the old Pennzoil "air cooled 2-stroke
oil" in a new (and doubtless more expensive!) package?
Probably for the same reason I do.
Cynical Thom
Definition: A cynic is a realist who is unable to keep his mouth shut.
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| Subject: | Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft |
The smoking gun will be the service grade, as usual ;). If it meets/exceeds API
TC, which is called for in many 2-strokes like the Rotaxen, it'll be good to
go.
Tho I'm very impressed with the Aeroshell 4-stroke oil (can't remember the API
service grade of it offhand). I just did my first oil change on the sport 4 plus
yesterday (47 hours) and my magnetic plug came out cleaner than I've ever seen
it. Tho it was always fine before using regular automotive oil, with the usual
light little bit of silt. This time it was slightly cleaner with a little
less silt. Perhaps the additives are doing a little bit extra to reduce wear?
Or perhaps this is just down in the noise of normal oil function, who knows ;).
OTOH, the oil was still greasy and very very black too, two indicators to me that
the oil is doing a really good job inside the motor.....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: flight plans |
frank.goodnight(at)att.ne wrote:
> Hi all Kolbers,
>
> As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long
> X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X
> countrys over lightly populated
> areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
> you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would
> you please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
> FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater
> that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features.
> Thanks
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville ,TX
I agree with others on flight following instead if you have a transponder.
A flight plan vs FF is a little like the difference between snail mail and email.
Both will do the job but the flight plan is a little clunkier. I.e.
VFR flight plan:
- someone realizes you're overdue
- people start making phone calls
- SAR is dispatched
- it's finally discovered you made it to dest. and forgot to close your flight
plan
- you get yelled at
- you possibly get cited with violations, etc.
Flight following:
- fan stops turning/other problem
- you: "Albuquerque center, 972SS just lost the engine, I'm a glider going down"
-ATC: "972SS Roger"
Boom, ATC has your position and altitude right there on the screen. The know which
dot to chase because of your squawk code. They know what happened and where
to look etc.
So to me, it's really a slam-dunk in favor of FF. Back when I flew GA I used FF
for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's great because you're real-time integrated
into the ATC system for the major portion of your flight and they can respond
real-time to any kind of situation you could end up in during the trip.
If you take enough trips of any length it's worth it to fit a transponder and use
FF whether or not you file flight plans. I'm thinking about putting one in
the titan for this reason...
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
Hello everybody ,
This is my first post here. I am so sorry I do not have any Kolb, but hope you
don't mind an outsider's questions. I found that my subjects has been up for
discussions on this Forum before and hope for great input from here.
Background
Last year I came over a "Hydrocopter" (built aro 1960) as a fun project. Installed used Rotax 532 engine with Bing 54 carburator. The combo can be seen in this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR6XSdwmnak
It was working fine aro 5-6 operating hours. Few weeks ago, it suddenly started
to loose rpms and eventually stopped. I could sometimes get the engine started
but never reaching top rpm and after 15-30 sec always stops.
- I opened up the carburator. Cleaned it, replaced Jets and needles etc.
(by the way, unbelievable thing, one needle looked like this:
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/LageB/Rotax%20532/DSCN0930.jpg ...)?
YES - after installing the fresh carburator the engine worked well again ... for
about 15 minutes.
In some occasions the plugs has been dry, other times, it seems the carburetor
was flooding as plugs were soaking wet.
I suppose I could have a combination of problem. For the process of eliminating
failure causes however, I want to find out whether the Mikuni impulse pump possibly
operating on/under its limits. I have around 40 inch lifting height on
my Hydrocopter. I can not move tank closer to the pump.
Maximum lifting height for the Mikuni
Does anybody here know official figure what is the maximum allowable height from
Fuel tank to the Mikuni fuel pump?
Looking at the Rotax installation manual page.15, it says that:
1. If fuel tank is "considerably" lower than pump, an electric pump should be used.
(unfortunately it does not specify what "considerably" is..)
2. Electric pump should be connected in parallel (with the impulse pump) to avoid
fuel pressure to be excessive
I think Rotax' above information is somewhat fuzzy and trying to understand Point
2 I hope someone here could clarify physics (a)-(b) as under:
(a) What is the resulting pressure in the case Pumps are installed in series:
- Is it "Pump pressure_1" + "Pump pressure_2" ??
(b) What is the Pressure in the case of parallel connection?
May I understand that, the pressure (after the pumps) are basically same as from
the the pump out of the two, that deliver the highest pressure for the moment?
( I guess the impulse pump's pressure varies with motor rpm)
So, for example, if assumption (a) is correct, I would have to make sure that the
Electric pump and Impulse pump combined at no time exceeds 7 psi.
If the problem is that the impulse pump is not capable of the lifting height in
the first place, then, would it not be more safe in that case just simply to
have one Electric pump bypassing the Mikuni ? That is, isn't it better making
sure I have one Electric pump strong enough that can fully cover pressure range
required for my application by itself, rather depending on a combination of
2 pumps where each pump individually possibly are insufficient?
Lage
Stockholm / Sweden
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some thoughts I
have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to lift fuel reliably.
The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. So I'd say you're probably
in the "considerably" zone at that point ;)
An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the engine. You'd
have to come up with some kind of arrangement to keep the header tank full (feed
it with an electric pump and put some kind of fuel level regulation like a
float switch or something like that in the tank), but that would be a way to
get the fuel level raised to a place where the pneumatic pump could reliably draw
fuel.
Also make sure the pulse line from the engine to the pneumatic pump is as short
as possible. No longer than 12" at the max - too long of a pulse line is the
most common installation error I've seen that puts 2-planes down in the dirt than
anything else. This will ensure the pump is working as hard as it's supposed
to...
LS
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 01/18/10 |
I always check with Jim and Dondi Miller for any and all covering supplies including
rivets. These are service and customer oriented people.
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1. 01:44 AM - flight plans (frank.goodnight)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:50 AM - New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (John Hauck)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (albertakolbmk3)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Herb)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft (Dana Hague)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Vic)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (Dana Hague)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring (albertakolbmk3)
11. 08:04 AM - Re: flight plans (b young)
12. 08:05 AM - Re: flight plans (Richard Pike)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: flight plans (Robert Laird)
14. 08:31 AM - Re: flight plans (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: flight plans (Mike Welch)
16. 09:09 AM - Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart)
17. 09:21 AM - Re: flight plans (Dana Hague)
18. 09:33 AM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Dana Hague)
19. 09:34 AM - Re: flight plans (frank.goodnight)
20. 11:50 AM - Re: flight plans (b young)
21. 12:04 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart)
22. 12:38 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (robert bean)
23. 01:16 PM - Re: flight plans (Dana Hague)
24. 01:40 PM - Re: flight plans (Vincent Nicely)
25. 01:49 PM - Re: Some New FireFly Pages (Jack B. Hart)
26. 06:04 PM - Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (rayw)
27. 06:15 PM - OAT sensor location (albertakolbmk3)
28. 06:35 PM - 447 all up wt? (Herb)
29. 06:53 PM - Re: OAT sensor location (Richard Girard)
30. 06:53 PM - Re: flight plans (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
31. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (Richard Girard)
32. 06:56 PM - 447 all up wt? (Herb)
33. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation (John Hauck)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 01:44:25 AM PST US
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans
Hi all Kolbers,
As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long
X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X
countrys over lightly populated
areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would
you please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater
that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features.
Thanks
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
Brownsville ,TX
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Time: 06:31:32 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Tony,
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intention but I have the Icom A6 adapters for headset,
external power etc and use the PTT on the joystick without any modification
to the PTT switch on the A6.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
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Time: 06:50:28 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=ab8e8d4d-de2f-4687-84ba-8f478fd37a2f
john h
MKIII
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Time: 07:11:40 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring
From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
The problem is that ultralight helmets only have the one cable for both intercom
and headset so there are 5 wires. The stick grip I bought only has the one NO
switch for intercom. Just wondering if there is a way I can still utilize the
one button on the grip without having to go back to using the velcro attached
button that has the two switches in it.
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Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Time: 07:12:01 AM PST US
From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 07:16:00 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Two Stroke Oil For Aircraft
At 09:49 AM 1/18/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>
>http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=ab8e8d4d-de2f-4687-84ba-8f478fd37a2f
Since Shell recently bought Pennzoil, why do I suspect that the "new" oil
is the old Pennzoil "air cooled 2-stroke oil" in a new (and doubtless more
expensive!) package?
<http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/aesppl212qu.html>
-Dana
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Time: 07:16:10 AM PST US
From: "Vic" <vicsv@myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets used in lexan installation
Tony,
I used all aluminun fabric rivets. They covered the enlarged holes in the
lexan well.
2 yrs. no problem yet.
Ptt switch. Sounds like just an option.
Vic
Xtra 912
Maine
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 07:34:52 AM PST US
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans
Frank=2C
I have taken a few long distance X-country flight (several hundred miles
each). Most have been in my Cessna 172s that I used to own=2C but one was
with a group of guys flying to Arlington Airshow with two Quicksilver 2-pla
ces.
While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle=2C one of the Q
uicks threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop. Fortunately=2C there was an eme
rgency airstrip near the summit=2C and the pilot had enough altitude to gli
de in. We=2C the ground crew=2C drove to him=2C dissasembled the plane=2C
and rolled it into the trailer we were towing.
Luckily=2C this situation turned out to be a non-event (a two hour inconv
enience). Had this mishap occur over "rough terrain"=2C he would have been
S.O.L.!!!
On a couple of C-172 cross country's I've flown over "inhospitable" terra
in. If something happened that would have caused me to go down=2C it would
have taken days for a ground crew (or rescue) to get to me. High pucker f
actor. Didn't like it much.
My last x-country flight=2C from northern California to southern Utah=2C
by way of the southern route=2C was mostly over main freeways. I also flew
with "flight following" the whole way=2C with LA Center=2C and Las Vegas C
enter. HUGE comfort factor.
I said all that to say this=3B if I were going to fly x-country=2C and i
t was my first trip=2C and it was in an experimental airplane=2C I would no
t even consider anything but a route above major roads.
If=2C for whatever reason=2C you have to land the plane where you don't i
ntend=2C your retrieval could be a thousand times harder in rough terrian.
What could have been a simple dissambly=2C and roll into a trailer=2C may
now be a massively expensive=2C arduous rescue.
Ask our buddy Dennis how much a helicopter costs to go get your plane.
Other people may have a different take on x-country flights=2C but for me
=2C I'll stay with the highway routes when possible. Besides=2C why is it
a bad thing to fly your plane a little longer??
Just my thoughts.....
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> From: frank.goodnight@att.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans
> Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 03:43:34 -0600
>
et>
>
>
> Hi all Kolbers=2C
>
> As i am still gearing up for=2C and trying to learn about my first long
> X country=2C I have a question for you that choose to fly long X
> countrys over lightly populated
> areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
> you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would
> you please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
> FYI I have a cell phone =2C GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater
> that has tracking =2Ccheck in =2C I'm OK =2C and SOS features.
> Thanks
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville =2CTX
>
>
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Time: 07:34:52 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring
At 10:11 AM 1/18/2010, albertakolbmk3 wrote:
>
>The problem is that ultralight helmets only have the one cable for both
>intercom and headset so there are 5 wires. The stick grip I bought only
>has the one NO switch for intercom. Just wondering if there is a way I can
>still utilize the one button on the grip without having to go back to
>using the velcro attached button that has the two switches in it.
Does the NC switch turn on the intercom when the radio's not
transmitting? If so, you could wire the NO button on the stick to work a
relay that has both NC and NO contacts, and the relay switches the radio
and intercom.
-Dana
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Time: 07:37:45 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Icom A6 PTT wiring
From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
Dana,
That's a good idea... I'll have to check on that.
Thanks,
Tony
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Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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Time: 08:04:55 AM PST US
From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans
Hi all Kolbers,
As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long
X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X
countrys over lightly populated
areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would
you please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater
that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features.
Thanks
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
Brownsville ,TX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Frank
I try to use a flight plan for this reason. If you don't check in at
the time you said you would arrive,,,, they send someone to look for you
right a way. If something happened, and you did not have cell coverage,
or you could not get the spot's buttons pushed or operating, due to damage
to the spot or you. Who would know.
Boyd
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 08:05:47 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flight plans
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
I am not much of a cross country pilot anymore, but here is what I liked to do
- Know the center sector frequency for whatever airspace you are in. If you have
a transponder and want flight following, that's ok, personally I don't much
like flying with constant FAA chatter in my ear.
But if you know what sector you are in, roll up on their frequency, make sure you
can hear the controller talking, and then turn the volume down and go back
to listening to your mp3 player. You will need to have some idea of sector boundaries
and when to change to the next frequency.
If the fan quits turning, turn up the radio volume, and if no one else is talking,
you do it just like in the movies: "Indy (whatever) Center, Mayday, mayday,
mayday. Homebuilt Nxxxx just had an engine failure, let me know when you are
ready to copy my position." And if you have a transponder, squawk 7700.
Believe me, you will have everybodies undivided attention. Because if the controller
misses it and fails to respond, you will almost certainly get some other
pilot asking about it (Center, did you hear that Mayday?). Which is what you
want.
While you are waiting for the center to reply, flip your gps to show your present
lat/longs. When center replies, read them off. Twice. If you know where you
are relative to a landmark on the sectional or whatever, that's good too. Between
that and your 7700 code, they will know where you are. (If you glide another
5 miles away from where you said, you better let somebody know...)
Then concentrate on flying the airplane, the feds can no longer help you. They
will ask you questions like souls on board, altitude, etc, and it's nice to have
that going on, but mostly you need to be flying the airplane.
There are probably other good ways to do it, and if you don't mind listening to
FAA chatter, active flight following is best, but after having spent 30 years
in the FAA, doing flight following and working various emergencies, that's how
I would do it.
PS: Worth what ya paid for it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Time: 08:09:38 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans
From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Filing a flight plan is never a BAD idea, but a lot of people see it as an
inconvenience and/or hate to think they're relying on "big brother."
However, if you have a (bad) habit of not closing your plans, then you
should probably not open one. In your case, for this trip, it's probably a
good idea. (Note: if you land at a tiny, out-of-the-way airport and have no
cell signal, and there's no phone around, you could have a real problem.)
Flight following can be very useful and provide a comfort zone, but you have
to be high enough for your radio to contact them. This might preclude any
ideas about flying low.
Make sure you have plenty of experience using your SPOT, and that your email
goes to a wide variety of people, and that those people know what to look
out for (the SOS message).
You should also try to carry 2-days of water/food, an emergency blanket,
matches, duct tape, tie wraps, extra batteries for the GPS, and a
knife/tool-kit. There was once a downed pilot that wasn't too far off the
beaten track, but broke a leg and couldn't go anywhere, so, having those
essentials might help, even if you're following roads.
-- Robert
Houston, TX
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:43 AM, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote:
> frank.goodnight@att.net>
>
>
> Hi all Kolbers,
>
> As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X
> country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys over
> lightly populated
> areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
> you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you
> please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
> FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that has
> tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features.
> Thanks
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville ,TX
>
>
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 08:31:45 AM PST US
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans
Frank
I have flown a number of cross countries mostly in GA aircraft but some in
my MKIII. If you are concerned about someone finding you follow roads as
Mike suggests. The best way to have someone track you is to use flight
following. They watch your every move, mostly good, but they will also see
every mistake. The biggest problem with flight following is that is
optional. The controllers will follow only if they have time and have the
desire to follow. Flight plans work well if you follow the plan and remember
to close the plan. Way too often pilots forget to close them. Because of
this there may be some delay in searching for you.
Spot is good but never used one. The old ELTs work but had so many false
alarms the rescue people way too often ignored them. As soon as the new
frequencies and spots get popular I would guess they also will be ignored.
I have used flight following in my Kolb a few times but I generally fly
cross county without any of this stuff except for my cell phone. I have a
old ELT because it is required.
In Michigan we have a Lake Watch for crossing the great lakes which I will
no longer do. They require you to check in like every 5 minutes after you
establish the watch or they send a helicopter. Other areas of the country
may have watch areas such as mountain watches you can use. If you can't get
flight following the next best are the watch services.
Again worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:43 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans
> <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>
>
> Hi all Kolbers,
>
> As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long X
> country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X countrys
> over lightly populated
> areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
> you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would you
> please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
> FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater that
> has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features.
> Thanks
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville ,TX
>
>
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 08:46:42 AM PST US
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans
Frank=2C
I failed to address your flight plan question. Yes! I would file a flig
ht plan. Be sure to open it=2C and also be sure to close it. Plus=2C don'
t forget to check in with ATC once in awhile=2C so they know your progress
along your route.
One important thing to remember regarding flight plans or flight followin
g: You do NOT have to wait for you to land to close it out! Usually=2C wh
e I have the airport in sight (maybe 10-15 minutes out)=2C I close my fligh
t following. You obviously "made it"=2C and don't need the service anymore
. Why wait until you get on the ground=2C get busy and have them hunt you
down?
I would also draw an exact route of your intended path on a sectional=2C
and leave a copy with a person on your SPOT email notification. Your cell
phone will not be of much value if you stray too far away from highways. T
he cell phone towers do NOT give you coverage out in the boondocks.
It's definitely a good idea to have some of the supplies Richard P. menti
oned. Like I said=2C if it were me=2C I'd chart my route along major roads
. In the event of a mishap=2C your landing may be on the road=2C your cell
phone will more likely work=2C your retrieval vehicle can drive right up t
o you=2C and help could be the next car to drive past you.
A mishap way out in the sticks will not have any of the above.
Mike Welch
> From: frank.goodnight@att.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: flight plans
> Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 03:43:34 -0600
>
et>
>
>
> Hi all Kolbers=2C
>
> As i am still gearing up for=2C and trying to learn about my first long
> X country=2C I have a question for you that choose to fly long X
> countrys over lightly populated
> areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
> you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would
> you please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
> FYI I have a cell phone =2C GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater
> that has tracking =2Ccheck in =2C I'm OK =2C and SOS features.
> Thanks
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville =2CTX
>
>
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 09:09:38 AM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages
Kolbers,
I put up a couple of new pages.
Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel
management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
Trying to save some weight with new starter and magneto kill switches:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly154.html
Experiencing a heat wave. Highs in the low 40's. A week of ground fog as
the snow slowly dissipates.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 09:21:53 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans
I don't think I've filed a flight plan since I got my license, over 30
years ago. If you're just talking VFR flight plan, that's no different
from letting somebody know where you're going and when you should be
expected to arrive. I did some long cross countries in the T-Craft, but I
never had a radio so I couldn't use flight following or anything like that
anyway. In the Kolb I do have a radio, but I route my flights over areas
where I can make a safe landing... no long legs over the forest... and most
of Connecticut isn't exactly remote anyway.
-Dana
--
The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages
weren't dangerous enough already.
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 09:33:02 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages
At 12:08 PM 1/18/2010, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel
>management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications:
>
>http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
Jack, if the Tillotson carb already has high and low speed mixture screws,
why are you messing with pressure probes and mixing valve?
-Dana
--
The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages
weren't dangerous enough already.
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 09:34:19 AM PST US
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a
flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2
times I forgot to close, 35 years ago
just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad
enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am
older now and a little more settled may be that
I can remember the things that I have to do.
The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of
aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/
C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share.
I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:04 AM, b young wrote:
>
> Hi all Kolbers,
>
> As i am still gearing up for, and trying to learn about my first long
> X country, I have a question for you that choose to fly long X
> countrys over lightly populated
> areas with sometimes rather harsh terrain.When on a trip do
> you file a flight plan with the FAA? If you do or if you don't would
> you please tell me your reasoning for your decision?
> FYI I have a cell phone , GPS and a SPOT brand personal locater
> that has tracking ,check in , I'm OK , and SOS features.
> Thanks
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Brownsville ,TX
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Frank
> I try to use a flight plan for this reason. If you don't check
> in at
> the time you said you would arrive,,,, they send someone to look
> for you
> right a way. If something happened, and you did not have cell
> coverage,
> or you could not get the spot's buttons pushed or operating, due to
> damage
> to the spot or you. Who would know.
>
> Boyd
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 11:50:25 AM PST US
From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a
flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2
times I forgot to close, 35 years ago
just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad
enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am
older now and a little more settled may be that
I can remember the things that I have to do.
The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of
aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/
C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share.
I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The worst I have ever had is no phone at the destination airport... it
took a bit of time to be able to call in and cancel, ( had to go across the
street 1/4 mile after securing the plane) .. in the in between time they
had called my wife. But when I got to a phone I called the faa and my
wife. So all was good. It happened at monument valley. No radio
coverage at MV on the ground... best to close the flight plan while still
at altitude. Or plan some extra time to get to a phone. My cell had no
coverage at mv.
Boyd
Do not archive
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 12:04:45 PM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
>
..........................
Jack, if the Tillotson carb already has high and low speed mixture screws,
why are you messing with pressure probes and mixing valve?
>
Dana,
While I am at it I want to investigate both methods. I went mechanical
because I know it will work. During the ground testing, I have noticed that
the MZ 34 EGT has a tendency to float up a little when one closes the
throttle. This may be due to the vent position for the volume underneath
the fuel flow diaphragm. It is not a good static pressure vent.
The pneumatic system produced near constant EGT settings on the Bing 54 and
the Victor 1+. I want to see if it will work on the Tillotson and the MZ
34. If so, overall it will be much lighter than the mechanical system that
tweaks the needle jets.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 12:38:11 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Jack, do you have any other hobbies?
BB
do not archive :)
On 18, Jan 2010, at 12:08 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I put up a couple of new pages.
>
> Trying to adapt the Tillotson carburetor for in the cockpit air fuel
> management. Tillotson carburetor description and modifications:
>
> http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
>
> Trying to save some weight with new starter and magneto kill switches:
>
> http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly154.html
>
> Experiencing a heat wave. Highs in the low 40's. A week of ground fog as
> the snow slowly dissipates.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 01:16:33 PM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight plans
At 02:49 PM 1/18/2010, b young wrote:
>The worst I have ever had is no phone at the destination airport... it
>took a bit of time to be able to call in and cancel, ( had to go across the
>street 1/4 mile after securing the plane) .. in the in between time they
>had called my wife...
I forgot to close my flight plan once, while I was still a student
pilot. I remembered several hours later, all panicky (I was 17 at the time
and they'd emphasized that you'd pay for an unnecessary search). The guy
at the FSS when I called was real friendly, "don't worry, it's OK, nobody's
lookin' for you." No doubt since it was a controlled field I landed at the
first thing they did was contact the tower and verify I'd arrived.
-Dana
do not archive
--
If you don't grow up by age 35, you don't have to.
________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
Time: 01:40:14 PM PST US
From: Vincent Nicely <vincenic1@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans
Frank,
I have used a simple device to help remember to open and close flight
plans. I put a small patch of Velcro on the instrument panel. Then, I
made a small tag with "Open Flight Plan" written on one side and "Close
Flight Plan" written on the other side and a small piece of the mating
Velcro on each side. With the tag attached to the Velcro, say just
above the ignition switches, it is hard to forget to open or close the
flight plan.
Vince Nicely
do not archive
b young wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a
> flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2
> times I forgot to close, 35 years ago
> just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad
> enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am
> older now and a little more settled may be that
> I can remember the things that I have to do.
> The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of
> aviation knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/
> C.Thanks again to those that are willing to share.
> I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
>
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
Time: 01:49:07 PM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some New FireFly Pages
At 03:36 PM 1/18/10 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Jack, do you have any other hobbies?
>BB
>do not archive :)
Bob,
As one ages he realizes that one must cut back a little to do the truely fun
things.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
Time: 06:04:54 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation
From: "rayw" <rmwis@wi-net.com>
Hi all,
While on the topic of rivets. What type of rivet is used to hold fabric on the
wing ribs etc? Is there a AN number?
Ray W.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282163#282163
________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________
Time: 06:15:28 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: OAT sensor location
From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
Just getting my new GR EIS wired up and would like to know where others have put
the OAT sensor on the plane (if your using it). I would think that out of sunlight
and air movement would be best?
--------
Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________
Time: 06:35:24 PM PST US
From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 447 all up wt?
________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________
Time: 06:53:12 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: OAT sensor location
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Tony, out of the moving air is not a problem for a sensor or thermometer.
Wind chill isn't a factor since it gives an equivalent temperature on
exposed skin, unless you're using one of those "red neck" type sensors.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 PM, albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun@xplornet.com>wrote:
> cheriebraun@xplornet.com>
>
> Just getting my new GR EIS wired up and would like to know where others
> have put the OAT sensor on the plane (if your using it). I would think that
> out of sunlight and air movement would be best?
>
> --------
> Tony B.
>
> Kolb MKIII C
> Rotax 582
> C Gearbox 3.00:1
> WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282165#282165
>
>
________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________
Time: 06:53:22 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@AOL.COM>
Vic in Maine you need something like that that says take off on one side
and Land on the other
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Nicely <vincenic1@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flight plans
Frank,
I have used a simple device to help remember to open and close flight plan
s. I put a small patch of Velcro on the instrument panel. Then, I made a
small tag with "Open Flight Plan" written on one side and "Close Flight
Plan" written on the other side and a small piece of the mating Velcro on
each side. With the tag attached to the Velcro, say just above the igniti
on switches, it is hard to forget to open or close the flight plan.
Vince Nicely
do not archive
b young wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to everyone that answered my request. Looks like I will file a >
flight plan most of the time. Although I can still remember the 2 > times
I forgot to close, 35 years ago
> just after I got my private.[ Red face and hung down head] It was bad >
enough that I have never filed another one. Could be that as I am > older
now and a little more settled may be that
> I can remember the things that I have to do.
> The Kolb list is a wonderful vehicle to access the wealth of > aviation
knowledge that is out there , especially for very light A/ > C.Thanks aga
in to those that are willing to share.
> I,m sure some of that knowledge was acquired the hard way.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
>
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________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________
Time: 06:54:24 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Ray, attached is a picture of Poly Fibers fabric rivet. Spruce has them, but
you might be able to find the same thing at a better price at McMaster Carr
or other industrial supplier.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM, rayw <rmwis@wi-net.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> While on the topic of rivets. What type of rivet is used to hold fabric on
> the wing ribs etc? Is there a AN number?
>
> Ray W.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282163#282163
>
>
________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________
Time: 06:56:38 PM PST US
From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 447 all up wt?
________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________
Time: 07:29:48 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rivets used in lexan installation
I feel much better using Poly Fiber Fabric Rivets on my airplane.
john h
mkIII
Ray, attached is a picture of Poly Fibers fabric rivet. Spruce has them,
but you might be able to find the same thing at a better price at
McMaster Carr or other industrial supplier.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets used in lexan installation |
Thank you for your helpful replies. I am going to do a re-cover and don't have
much to go by. Any suggestions on fabric weight/type etc? It is a Twin star Mark
II
Ray W
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets used in lexan installation |
Ray, Get a copy of the Poly Fiber manual before you do anything else and
read it thorougly. Pay particular attention to appendix A if you are weight
conscious about your project.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:46 AM, rayw <rmwis@wi-net.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your helpful replies. I am going to do a re-cover and don't
> have much to go by. Any suggestions on fabric weight/type etc? It is a Twin
> star Mark II
>
> Ray W
>
>
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From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
....................
>
While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle, one of the Quicks
threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop.
>
.............
Mike,
What was the cause of failure?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
Aircraft Spruce sells Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 for 7.95 a quart, or nearly
32.00 a gal.
I use Shell Rotella full synthetic in my 912ULS, at 17.00 a gal from
Wal-Mart.
That is about half the price of Aeroshell Sport Plus 4, plus there is still
a hefty tab to ship.
I started out using Mobil 1 full synthetic, then Castrol fll synthetic,
Valvoline synthetic blend, and finally Shell Rotella full synthetic when it
came on to the market.
I don't have any scientific observations. Have flown my three 912 series
engines for nearly 3,000 hours. I, honestly, can tell no difference in
performance/service between any of the synthetic oils I have used for the
past 16 years in my 912's.
I use Rotella, organic, in every 4 stroke I have except the Suzuki dirt
bike, Honda Rincon ATV, and Onan 5500 generator, which I use Rotella full
synthetic.
The 912ULS, Suzuki, and Honda Ricon, all use integral
engine/transmission/wet clutch. The Suzuki has 300 hours, the Rincon 3,500
miles, and the 912ULS over 400 hours. All operate perfectly. No problem
with clutch slippage.
Based on the short oil change cycle of the 912ULS, 25 to 50 hours, makes
sense to me to stick with the cheap oil.
BTW: My 1992 Dodge Cummins, which has spent its life pulling a 30' fifth
wheel (and double pulling the fifth wheel and utility trailer with dirt bike
and ATV) for over 367,000 miles, uses Shell Rotella organic oil. Wonder if
it would last longer on full synthetic??? ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
lucien wrote:
> I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some thoughts
I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to lift fuel reliably.
The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. So I'd say you're probably
in the "considerably" zone at that point ;)
>
> An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the engine. LS
Thanks Lucien :)
I am inclined to think same, i.e that 40" is probably in the risk zone for the
Mikuni to suck & feed the Dual Bing 54 carbs
I have no space for a tank closer to the engine (it would have been best - I know).
So, for me the questions are:
(1) Is it some way to confirm that 40" indeed is too much?
(2) If too much. Then no choice. An electric pump must be installed. either
as:
- Stand alone ? -> If so, what pressure spec?
or,
- Series or parallel -> If so, what pressure specs (should be different
depending whether parallel or series connection - right?)
Since this is not an Aircraft, I am thinking to adopt Stand alone option (by-passing
the impulse pump) for simplicity.
Would a Automobile fuel pump 5.0 Psi, 130L/h work?
Lage
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
At 09:07 AM 1/19/2010, LageB wrote:
>It was working fine aro 5-6 operating hours. Few weeks ago, it suddenly
>started to loose rpms and eventually stopped. I could sometimes get the
>engine started but never reaching top rpm and after 15-30 sec always stops.
>- I opened up the carburator. Cleaned it, replaced Jets and needles etc.
>(by the way, unbelievable thing, one needle looked like this:
>http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/LageB/Rotax%20532/DSCN0930.jpg
>...)?
>
>YES - after installing the fresh carburator the engine worked well again
>... for about 15 minutes.
It could be that your engine is partially seized from lean mixture (not
enough fuel). When this happens, sometimes the engine seems to run fine
for a short time, then seizes again as it warms up. To check, you need to
pull the exhaust and look at the pistons through the exhaust ports.
>Maximum lifting height for the Mikuni
>Does anybody here know official figure what is the maximum allowable
>height from Fuel tank to the Mikuni fuel pump?
I believe 24" is the recommended maximum.
>I think Rotax' above information is somewhat fuzzy and trying to
>understand Point 2 I hope someone here could clarify physics (a)-(b) as
>under:
>
>(a) What is the resulting pressure in the case Pumps are installed in series:
>- Is it "Pump pressure_1" + "Pump pressure_2" ??
With an electric pump pushing fuel to a pulse pump, the final pressure will
be whichever pump is putting out the higher pressure, since the pulse
pump's output pressure is still limited to the available crankcase
pressure. If you had two electric pumps in series, it would be P1+P2.
>b) What is the Pressure in the case of parallel connection?
Whichever pump's pressure is higher.
A single electric pump with enough pressure (like the Facet) would probably
be fine.
Another thing to look for is air leaks in the fuel line... either inside
the tank so it starts to suck air after the fuel level drops, or it sucks
air at high rpm's and can't keep up with the engine's demand.
Looks like a fun toy btw.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel |
pump
>From CPS for Part #53 (?) Instructions for Mikuni fuel pumps. The full text
can be found here.
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part%2053.PDF
"....you have to realize that the system does have limitations as far as
expected fuel pressure and the distance up hill the fuel can be expected to
rise. A vertical rise of no more than 39=94 can be accepted out of any puls
e
pump. Anything higher and count on deliver problems. Another thing to
remember is that the pulse pump is always limited to the pressures or
pumping value of the crankcase. With a pulse pump it is nearly impossible t
o
create too much pressure for the Carb float level. Also keep in mind that
the fuel pressure available will fall off as the crank seals and gaskets
being to leak over time."
I also looked at Mikuni's website. They have no info that I could find
anyway, but they do list a DF-62 fuel pump that delivers up to 62 liters pe
r
hour. The DF-35 pumps that most of use are rated at 35 liters per hour.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, LageB <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net> wrote:
>
>
> lucien wrote:
> > I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some
> thoughts I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to
> lift fuel reliably. The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot. S
o
> I'd say you're probably in the "considerably" zone at that point ;)
> >
> > An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the engin
e.
> LS
>
>
> Thanks Lucien :)
>
> I am inclined to think same, i.e that 40" is probably in the risk zone fo
r
> the Mikuni to suck & feed the Dual Bing 54 carbs
> I have no space for a tank closer to the engine (it would have been best
-
> I know). So, for me the questions are:
>
> (1) Is it some way to confirm that 40" indeed is too much?
>
> (2) If too much. Then no choice. An electric pump must be installed.
> either as:
> - Stand alone ? -> If so, what pressure spec?
> or,
> - Series or parallel -> If so, what pressure specs (should be
> different depending whether parallel or series connection - right?)
>
> Since this is not an Aircraft, I am thinking to adopt Stand alone option
> (by-passing the impulse pump) for simplicity.
> Would a Automobile fuel pump 5.0 Psi, 130L/h work?
>
>
> Lage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282248#282248
>
>
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> While crossing the mountain range to get close to Seattle=2C one of the Q
uicks
> threw a blade on the WarpDrive prop.
> >
> .............
>
> Mike=2C
>
> What was the cause of failure?
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester=2C IN
Hi Jack=2C
I don't recall what caused the prop to lose a blade. To be honest=2C I d
on't think I ever knew the exact reason for the failure. I was more like a
bystander in the situation=2C than a participant.
A fellow student pilot and I were the ground crew for the two Quicksilver
2-placers. We drove the pickup and trailer that had the camping supplies
and fuel. It was a full enclosure trailer=2C to haul a plane=2C if it was
needed. Obviously=2C it turned out to be the case.
This incident was on our way to the 1994 Arlington Airshow. I do remembe
r that the Warp Drive people met with him (Dan=2C my instructor)=2C and I t
hink they got everything worked out okay. Even the Rotax people even got i
nvolved=2C due to the tremendous=2C violent shaking the engine experienced.
Both vendors were present at the airshow anyway=2C so they got to work im
mediately resolving the problem.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel |
pump
I did some more poking around to look for more info on Mikuni fuel pumps.
For what it's worth I found that JC Whitney has all models of Mikuni fuel
pumps, even the three outlet version of the -35, at fairly reasonable
prices. They even have the -62 pump for $45.99 (less than CPS charges for a
-35), so if you need more fuel delivery there's a reasonable option.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote
:
> From CPS for Part #53 (?) Instructions for Mikuni fuel pumps. The full te
xt
> can be found here.
>
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part%2053.PDF
>
> "....you have to realize that the system does have limitations as far as
> expected fuel pressure and the distance up hill the fuel can be expected
to
> rise. A vertical rise of no more than 39=94 can be accepted out of any pu
lse
> pump. Anything higher and count on deliver problems. Another thing to
> remember is that the pulse pump is always limited to the pressures or
> pumping value of the crankcase. With a pulse pump it is nearly impossible
to
> create too much pressure for the Carb float level. Also keep in mind that
> the fuel pressure available will fall off as the crank seals and gaskets
> being to leak over time."
>
> I also looked at Mikuni's website. They have no info that I could find
> anyway, but they do list a DF-62 fuel pump that delivers up to 62 liters
per
> hour. The DF-35 pumps that most of use are rated at 35 liters per hour.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, LageB <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>wrote
:
>
>>
>>
>> lucien wrote:
>> > I don't know the specific answers to your (good) questions, but some
>> thoughts I have. Yes, 40" probably is too high for the pneumatic pump to
>> lift fuel reliably. The vacuum generated by the pump isn't a whole lot.
So
>> I'd say you're probably in the "considerably" zone at that point ;)
>> >
>> > An alternative to consider is a header tank located closer to the
>> engine. LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Lucien :)
>>
>> I am inclined to think same, i.e that 40" is probably in the risk zone f
or
>> the Mikuni to suck & feed the Dual Bing 54 carbs
>> I have no space for a tank closer to the engine (it would have been best
>> - I know). So, for me the questions are:
>>
>> (1) Is it some way to confirm that 40" indeed is too much?
>>
>> (2) If too much. Then no choice. An electric pump must be installed.
>> either as:
>> - Stand alone ? -> If so, what pressure spec?
>> or,
>> - Series or parallel -> If so, what pressure specs (should be
>> different depending whether parallel or series connection - right?)
>>
>> Since this is not an Aircraft, I am thinking to adopt Stand alone option
>> (by-passing the impulse pump) for simplicity.
>> Would a Automobile fuel pump 5.0 Psi, 130L/h work?
>>
>>
>> Lage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282248#282248
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel |
pump
At 01:19 PM 1/19/2010, Richard Girard wrote:
>..."Another thing to remember is that the pulse pump is always limited to
>the pressures or pumping value of the crankcase. With a pulse pump it is
>nearly impossible to create too much pressure for the Carb float level..."
Almost correct... or correct if the proper float needle and seat are
used. Gravity feed systems use a larger needle and seat. If a pump is
used with the large needle/seat, the pump will push fuel right past the
needle and the engine will flood.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: flight plans |
Mike W/Gang:
I too, was at 1994 Arlington Flyin. Had just gotten back into the Lower
48 from Alaska.
Bob, with Warp Drive, was there. He helped me do some field repairs to
my three Warp Drive Blades with JB Weld. I had flown in a lot of heavy
rain which caused erosion just inboard the nickle steel leading edges.
At that time 11" edges were max. Now we have 15" edges which cover the
area that was subject to rain erosion.
Larry Bourne was also there. He reminded me that I didn't think it was
a good idea for him to try on my MKIII for size. I don't remember the
incident, but do remember I still had a long way to fly to get back home
to Alabama, by way of the northern, eastern perimeter of CONUS, and the
west coast of Florida.
And to keep this comment relative to the subject line, no, I do not file
flight plans with FAA while flying in CONUS. However, I do flight
follow with friend or family in Alabama and Florida.
john h
mkIII
This incident was on our way to the 1994 Arlington Airshow. I do
remember that the Warp Drive people met with him (Dan, my instructor),
and I think they got everything worked out okay. Even the Rotax people
even got involved, due to the tremendous, violent shaking the engine
experienced. Both vendors were present at the airshow anyway, so they
got to work immediately resolving the problem.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
Why are new threads on same subject posted ?
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
Isn't this getting a bit off the rules of our list? Lets keep it Kolb
related. A quick question is fine but.....
At least do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "LageB" <lage.bystrom@glocalnet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel
pump
>
> Why are new threads on same subject posted ?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282304#282304
>
>
>
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| Subject: | How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? |
Hi All, When I flew the Quicksilver MX, I had an in flight fuel pump
failure. The MX used the Mikuni, rectangular pump. After that failure, I
started rebuilding it every other flying season. The little flapper valves
always looked wrinkled and in need of replacement. When I built the
Firestar II it called for the dual round Mikuni pump. I continued with my
bi-annual fuel pump rebuild, however, the parts I replaced always looked
like new. I am thinking a rebuild every other year is overkill. Any
thoughts before I order a rebuild kit? Thanks in advance. Lanny
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
Hi John,
It's been a while.
Just a comment. The oils used in a Rotax should be motorcycle oil because the engine
oil is also the gearbox oil like in a motorcycle and has addition additives
just for the gears in the gearbox.
Rotax has a new "Line Maint" manual out. Rotax has changed several things and not
just a sentence or two. It is on line and they have made some significant changes
on the oil and plugs. Actually everyone should download a copy. 91 oct.
users can use full synthetic, but people who use a lot of 100LL (more than 30%
of the time) should be using a semi synthetic. Dino oil is just barley ok. The
synthetics can handle more extremes on all ends of the usage spectrum (i.e.
temps, pressures, shears and the ability to stay on parts). Full synthetic will
not suspend the lead in 100LL and it falls out in the crankcase and gearbox.
p.s.
We do a Fly-In for Monument Valley, Grand Canyon, Lake Powell, Bryce and Zion,
but we do it in October and have 30 aircraft that attend. We use Page as a base
because of the parking and facilities. Hotels are $49 and food is catered.
We do a dam and Antelope canyon day tour as well. They are all LSA except maybe
1-2. This year it is Oct. 14th-18th.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
My apologies Rick Nielsen,
Kindly bear with me further (just in this thread) and I will be out of here after
this thread
To Dana:
Many thanks for good advices. I will follow your recommendation and pull exhaust
to check any damage :(
May I understand you so, that in case "El.pump + Puls.pump" combination, the resulting
pressure will be whichever pump's pressure is higher, actually regardless
whether I connect in series or parallel?
If so, Rotax' choice of words are somewhat misleading when they say that pumps
should be connected in parallel to avoid excessive pressure....
To Rickofudall:
Thanks a lot for informative links
LageB
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel |
pump
At 05:50 PM 1/19/2010, LageB wrote:
>May I understand you so, that in case "El.pump + Puls.pump" combination,
>the resulting pressure will be whichever pump's pressure is higher,
>actually regardless whether I connect in series or parallel?
>If so, Rotax' choice of words are somewhat misleading when they say that
>pumps should be connected in parallel to avoid excessive pressure....
I could be wrong, just going on theory here, but the way I see the pressure
from a pulse pump in series with an upstream electric pump is not
additive. Here's how I see it, feel free to knock holes in the theory:
Fuel is drawn into the pulse pump chamber when crankcase vacuum pulls on
the diaphragm and the inlet check valve opens, or the upstream electric
pump pushes it in. When the piston moves down and creates crankcase
pressure, that pressure is transmitted to the diaphragm and in turn to the
fuel in the pump chamber, and only if it's greater than the electric pump
pressure does the inlet check valve opens. At the point there is no
connection to the fuel upstream of the pulse pump, so the only thing
pushing fuel to the carburetor is the diaphragm... as if the electric pump
didn't exist.
If the electric pump creates a greater pressure than the pulse pump can,
the inlet check valve will never close at all, and the fuel pressure in the
pump chamber will push back on the diaphragm so that it never moves, and
it's as if the pulse pump didn't exist.
Either way, the pressures don't add.
The pulse pump doesn't create a differential pressure between intake and
outlet; it creates first a vacuum, then an outlet pressure... not at the
same time so they're not related. I'm familiar with the internal workings
of a Facet pump, but if (like most electric rotary pumps) it creates a
continuous differential pressure, then if you put the electric pump
_downstream_ of the pulse pump, the pressures WILL add.
Yes, I know we're not talking directly about a Kolb here, but many of our
Kolbs have an identical fuel system so I see it as "Kolb related."
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
Hi Roger L/Gang:
I have had excellent service from the oils I use in my 912ULS engines.
Frequent gear box inspections indicate zero wear. Can't get much better
than that.
I find Shell Rotella Full Synthetic does as good a job with lead as
Valvoline Durablend, based on my own inspections during frequent oil
changes. I have less lead residue in the bottom of the oil tank with
Rotella than with Durablend and other oils I have used in the past on this
and the other two 912s I have had.
Motor oil does a great job of lubricating gears, whether it says "motor
cycle" on the can or not. I put over 300,000 miles on a Getrag 5 speed
behind my Cummins pulling 5th wheel most of those miles. Not bad.
Recommended lube is 5W30 motor oil. Really thin stuff.
I addressed clutch slippage in my previous post. No problem with Rotax,
Honda, or Suzuki wet clutches.
Until tonight when I read the SI on the Rotax site, I thought Aero Shell
Sport Plus 4 was full synthetic. When I found out it was a blend, 8.00 a
quart seems even more like highway robbery.
I also took note that most of the stuff Rotax recommends to use, or not to
use, is based on field experience, not manufacturers testing. That is also
what I base my decisions on. That is how Rotax established TBO's, which are
recommendations only.
I don't tell others what to use, only share what I do. Other folks can make
up their own mind.
I made it a point to be at the flyin at Monument Valley last October. Drove
down from Moab to spend the weekend and hopefully meet up with you and
others of like interest. However, when I got there, it turned out to be a
powered parachute/para glider flyin. Not a single fixed wing. Didn't know
you all were basing out of Page or I would have stopped in there. Instead,
I left MV and met Mike and Jan Marker at Hanksville, who were camped out at
the airport. Mike flew in with his Murphy Rebel and Jan drove the motor
home. They stayed a week, I stayed with them for the weekend.
Not much fun to go to a flyin without an airplane. If I had had a powered
parachute, I would have had more fun at MV.
Is your flyin restricted??? Do you all camp or stay in the hotel? Is this
an LSA Only Flyin and Around?
We'll be back at Monument Valley next May in the mkIII. Everyone is
welcome, if you can stand it. ;-)
Flew in a T shirt this afternoon. Had a ball. Weather was perfect. First
flight with my new ICOM A6. I can hear again. It has much more volume,
plus adjustable volume on the side tone. Side tone that actually works. I
can hear!!!
john h
mkIII - 2,985.0 hours
912ULS - 416.5 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Bing54 / Max height btw Fuel tank and Mikuni fuel pump |
> Isn't this getting a bit off the rules of our list? Lets keep it Kolb
> related. A quick question is fine but.....
>
> At least do not archive
>
> Rick Neilsen
Rick N/Gang:
I agree whole heartedly.
There is a Rotax List in Matronics to address Rotax questions.
We talk as lot about Rotax here on the Kolb List as they pertain to their
use in our Kolb aircraft.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? |
I am thinking a rebuild every other year is overkill. Any
> thoughts before I order a rebuild kit? Thanks in advance. Lanny
Lanny/Gang:
I guess you could stretch it to three years if two years is an overkill.
Let us know if you have a fuel pump failure between two and three years.
;-)
john h
mkIII
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