---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/21/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube (Ralph B) 2. 03:52 AM - Re: Fuel system layout (Dana Hague) 3. 05:32 AM - Re: Fuel system layout (albertakolbmk3) 4. 05:37 AM - Re: Best way to cut lexan (albertakolbmk3) 5. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube (John Hauck) 6. 06:07 AM - Re: Fuel system layout (John Hauck) 7. 08:13 AM - Re: Fuel system layout (frank.goodnight) 8. 08:33 AM - Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube (David Kulp) 9. 08:33 AM - Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube (David Kulp) 10. 11:32 AM - Re: Best way to cut lexan (b young) 11. 05:34 PM - Re: Fuel system layout (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 12. 07:51 PM - Re: Fuel system layout (albertakolbmk3) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube From: "Ralph B" John, you sure had a handful with those wind conditions in a Firefly! You handled it well ... Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282671#282671 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:39 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel system layout At 09:11 PM 1/20/2010, John Hauck wrote: > >The site gauge is the most accurate/reliable/no maintenance sytem for >monitoring fuel level. I will be using a sight gauge for the new aluminum tank I'm putting in my UltraStar. Something I found on another list: If you use 5/16" instead of 14" ID tubing for the sight gauge, you can drop a "Piper fuel ball" into the tube. The floating red ball makes the fuel level a lot easier to see (the FAA requires the balls in type certificated planes with sight gauges). Univair seems to be the only supplier: -Dana -- Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel system layout From: "albertakolbmk3" Dana, I Like the ball idea. The reason I'm putting the sending units in is I find it very hard to read the fuel level in the tube. The ball would definitely help but only as a backup for me. I like to see everything on the panel and not have to crank my head around like a chicken to see my fuel level. Tony -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282685#282685 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Best way to cut lexan From: "albertakolbmk3" John, Tried the snips on an old piece and it does work quite well... I think that is the way I'm going. No mess is always good. -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282687#282687 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:33 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube > John, you sure had a handful with those wind conditions in a Firefly! > > You handled it well ... > > Ralph Thanks, Ralph: Could not have done it without a good airplane. The ultralight strip at Lakeland is notorious for difficult wind. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:00 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel system layout Dana/Gang: Good idea. Wish I had one in my sight gauge. I'll keep that in mind when I get to the point I need to change out my tube. john h mkIII If you use 5/16" instead of 14" ID tubing for the sight gauge, you can drop a "Piper fuel ball" into the tube. -Dana ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:39 AM PST US From: "frank.goodnight" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel system layout Dana, The fuel float ball sounds like a great idea. Why didn't I think of that. Frank Goodnight Do not archive On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 09:11 PM 1/20/2010, John Hauck wrote: >> >> The site gauge is the most accurate/reliable/no maintenance sytem >> for monitoring fuel level. > > I will be using a sight gauge for the new aluminum tank I'm putting > in my UltraStar. Something I found on another list: If you use > 5/16" instead of 14" ID tubing for the sight gauge, you can drop a > "Piper fuel ball" into the tube. The floating red ball makes the > fuel level a lot easier to see (the FAA requires the balls in type > certificated planes with sight gauges). Univair seems to be the > only supplier: > > > -Dana > -- > Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:19 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying the lazy river on Youtube Thanks, John. You not only answered my question, you gave me a good laugh early in the day!! Dave Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:44 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying the lazy river on Youtube Whoops... I didn't paste the reference post, so here it is. dK * * # *INDEX* * Back to Main INDEX* # *PREVIOUS* * Skip to PREVIOUS Message* # *NEXT* * Skip to NEXT Message* # *LIST* * Reply to LIST Regarding this Message* # *SENDER* * Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message* * * *Time: * */09:08:20 PM PST US/* *From: * */"John Hauck" >/* *Subject: * /*_Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube_*/ * I've seen the video before and always wondered if there > was a reason he cut the power and then poured it on again, or was he > just playing. > > Dave Kulp I was trying not to crash a brand new Fire Fly that did no belong to me. john h * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:41 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Best way to cut lexan What is the best way to cut lexan. Knife, bandsaw, jigsaw. I'm just about ready to to start cutting my new lexan... never done it before. Any advice would be appreciated. Tony I used a hand held grinder with an abrasive wheel, Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel system layout From: Ellery Batchelder Jr frank I use a northstar fuel flow meter in My Kolbs this unit gives you fuel burn rate ,remaining fuel, alrms,all you have to be is fussy calibrating it and I think this is the best unit for my situation You can find them in the link below http://www.boatersmarinesupply.com/m7_view_item.html?m7:item=28843 Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: frank.goodnight Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:27 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel system layout Hi Mike , I don't have a moisture trap or drain. Have never had a water problem, app arently plastic tanks don't condense as much as metal tanks. I do keep the tanks full most of the time. I plan to make a sump with drain some time in the future.[ before the trip to MV this spring] Should have already done it , lazy & too much procrastination . When I do, I think I will tie in a loop of fuel line and bring it forward so it can be used as a sig ht gage. Too old and too fat to twist around and see how much fuel is left , I use a mirror but it is not the best sys. Don't know anything about the electric fuel gages , they may be a better option. FYI when I changed to the marine fuel tubing [alcohol resistant] I did trap the fuel & checked it , clean and dry. About 30 hrs ago. same small auto store fuel filter for about 100 hrs. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville , TX On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Mike Welch wrote: Frank, I like the description of your fuel system. Your's sounds very similar to mine. One minor difference between our systems is I have a petcock at the lowe st point of the tubing, to allow for a quick drain of moisture in the fuel .. You didn't mention that you can accomodate for moisture drainage. Do yo u have a way to drain off any water/crud in your fuel system? Mike Welch From: frank.goodnight@att.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel system layout Tony, I have a 2 tank firestar 2. I have never liked the top draw system, I am NOT trying to say there is something wrong with it , or that any one shou ld change it, just that I personally don't like it. At my auto store I found an all metal tire valv e that is made similar to a through bulkhead fitting. I removed the [guts] , made a gasket of silicone ,cut a hole in the bottom of each tank and mounted the valves. I connected the valves together with tubing , and with a tee between them , then connected the tee to the facet pump [it is also is lower than the tanks]. The fuel level in both tanks stays the same and all but about a quart of fuel is usable, assuming I can keep the plane level. No on off valves in the entire sys. Once again ,taking a page from John Hs book I'm not suggesting that th is is the way things should be done, only that this is how i did it. About 100 hrs on this sys. No problems. Frank Goodnight Firestar 2 Brownsville , TX On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Richard Girard wrote: Tony, I plumbed my fuel system with stock plastic tanks and top taps. Ther e is no balance line between the tanks so I run a selector valve. I have the fuel gauge sender in the tank behind me since I cannot see it in flig ht. I run off the left tank first until it's down to a gallon or so, then switch to the right tank with the gauge. For what it's worth. Rick Girard On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:21 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote: m> Your opinions would be appreciated. The original owner had a valve to switch between tanks I want to eliminate that. Also, with it set up like this do I still need to use the primer bu lb he has installed. I have remote chokes. Just trying to work on the KISS principal. Tony -------- Tony B. 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