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1. 03:02 AM - AD insurance (Ted Cowan)
2. 03:03 AM - AD insurance (Ted Cowan)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: AD insurance (lucien)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: AD insurance (John Hauck)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: Best way to cut lexan (racerjerry)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: Best way to cut lexan (albertakolbmk3)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: AD insurance (lucien)
8. 09:50 AM - Re: Fuel system layout (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
9. 09:50 AM - Re: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? (mark.shimei)
10. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: AD insurance (John Hauck)
11. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: AD insurance (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Brolga ultraprop (daquanut@aol.com)
13. 02:46 PM - Re: AD insurance (lucien)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: AD insurance (Dana Hague)
15. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Brolga ultraprop (Dana Hague)
16. 03:22 PM - Re: Brolga ultraprop (lucien)
17. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Brolga ultraprop (John Hauck)
18. 05:14 PM - Re: Brolga ultraprop (lucien)
19. 09:54 PM - Re: Re: AD insurance (Jon LaVasseur)
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It was mentioned the other day that the AOPA AD insurance was no good for
experimental and home builts. I did some research and called the insurance
company. We did a once over on the policy. On the back it states in the
exclusions - experimental aircraft. But -- if you read if further or more
deeply, you will find that is ONLY when it is not certified by the
government. That means that once you fly off the restrictions and get the
airworthiness certificate, it IS certified by the government. She assured
me that they do and have honored this insurance in experimental homebuilts
and all light sport classes of fixed wing. She just advised that until it
has passed all restrictions and has a air.cert., it is not. I hope this
clears it up. If you have questions, please give her a call. It is good,
cheap extra insurance for us that lose our double indemnity coverage when we
fly. Ted
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I forgot to add, I also got in touch with AOPA and Zack from Member Services
stated that the insurance DID NOT cover experimentals, etc. Soooo, go to
the horses mouth, you know, the one that is going to pay you. I like the
fact they cover arms and legs too. Our feet seem to be the first thing that
hits the ground and not running either. ted
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
tc1917(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> I forgot to add, I also got in touch with AOPA and Zack from Member Services
> stated that the insurance DID NOT cover experimentals, etc. Soooo, go to
> the horses mouth, you know, the one that is going to pay you. I like the
> fact they cover arms and legs too. Our feet seem to be the first thing that
> hits the ground and not running either. ted
For what it's worth, I have my insurance through Falcon, which I got through the
EAA. Supposed to cover experimentals.
No matter who you go with, you can be sure they'll figure out a way to wriggle
out of their end of the bargain when something does happen, so in the end it probably
doesn't matter much.
I think of insurance as just a big fee that allows you to fly at airports that
require ins. I don't seriously think they'd ever cover me in case of a problem,
so I write off the airplane in my mind as part of my preflight checklist.
Once I get my plane paid off I'm dropping it down to liability only....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
> For what it's worth, I have my insurance through Falcon, which I got
through the EAA. Supposed to cover experimentals.
>
> No matter who you go with, you can be sure they'll figure out a way to
> wriggle out of their end of the bargain when something does happen, so in
> the end it probably doesn't matter much.
>
> I think of insurance as just a big fee that allows you to fly at airports
> that require ins. I don't seriously think they'd ever cover me in case of
> a problem, so I write off the airplane in my mind as part of my preflight
> checklist.
>
> Once I get my plane paid off I'm dropping it down to liability only....
>
> LS
Good Morning, Lucien/Gang:
I think Ted C is talking about life insurance, but I could be wrong. Maybe
AD in the subject line, indicates Accidental Death.
I replaced my Avemco policy with Falcon Insurance when Avemco dropped
experimentals some years ago. It does cover experiementals. I had a claim
last year, after the rats decided to eat my airplane for lunch. They use
the same adjuster, out of Atlanta, that AVEMCO uses. They were prompt to
come look at the airplane and prompt to send me a check.
On 1 July 2000, I wiped off the landing gear and damaged the left wing and
aileron on the MKIII landing on a rough field at Rocky Mountain Lodge,
Muncho Lake, BC. AVEMCO paid for transporting me and my airplane 3,762
miles to Titus, Alabama, and all repairs. I worked with an adjuster out of
Vancouver, BC. He was great.
Insurance companies are not in business to pay, and they will check your
paperwork to insure you have a current ticket (BFR), medical, annual
inspection, etc. If you and the airplane are current, they'll pay.
If you owe money on your airplane, the finance institution will require hull
insurance only to cover their loan. An airport would not be interested in
hull, but liability insurance only. Liability is cheap compared to hull
insurance.
One of the great benefits of Falcon Insurance is their coverage any where in
the North American Continent. My first two flights to Alaska with Avemco
Insurance I had to buy supplemental insurance to cover my airplane north of
the Arctic Circle. It was very expensive. It would cost a small fortune to
recover an aircraft off the North Slope or out of the Brooks Mountains, get
it back to Fairbanks to repair, or ship back to Alabama for me to repair. I
could not afford that without insurance. Same here in the Lower 48, but not
quite as drastic as Northern Canada or Alaska.
If I could afford to write off my airplane, I would not have insurance.
Unfortunately, I can't afford to do that.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut lexan |
CUTTING PLEXIGLASS or LEXAN
Tin snips work OK.
Cutoff wheels work but are slow.
A bandsaw with a fine tooth blade works well and gets the job done quickly.
Jigsaws sometimes cause trouble on the reverse stroke - not recommended.
Sand all edges smooth when you are done.
Use oversize holes in the plastic for rivets or screws to avoid cracks due to expansion
of the plastic.
Try to mount (rivets/screws) the plastic slightly on the loose side so it can give.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut lexan |
Jerry,
Thanks for the tips.
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Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
I've not had the same good experiences others have reported having with the insurance
industry in the past, despite having kept my side of the street squeaky
clean. Can't remember the last time an ins. co. honored their side of any agreement
with me off hand.
But then again, I just have bad karma generally among thieves and crooks. They
can see me coming miles away. A cross I have to bear in our insurance-laden society
I suppose.
Good point about the hull - on my plane the hull is almost 3/4 of the total cost,
tho that's because I'm currently still carrying hull for the full purchase
price of about 3 years ago. I may drop it down to the remaining debt amount next
year when the drop in the rates is substantial enough.
Liability is usually pretty cheap, on the order of car insurance, and is generally
all the airports require.
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system layout |
<< I thought silicone would be the way to go. But I don't pretend to
know much about gasket material. What would you think is the best
material to use. >>
Permatex makes a product specifically designed for fuel fittings - it's
a white goop. Smells a little like tangerines. Available at any auto
parts store. It's 100 percent fuel-proof, and seals any/all threaded
fuel fittings on your fuel system. I used this stuff several years ago
to secure the Curtis drain valve and the brass fuel nipples that thread
into my homemade PVC gascolator. Never had a leak.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul
Sandia Park, NM
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| Subject: | Re: How often do you rebuild your Mikuni Fuel pump? |
I had one in a Phantom for 7 years...260 hrs never touched it...but that
should not be a benchmark for your re-build time.
Mark...Ultrastar with 60hrs and counting
I am thinking a rebuild every other year is overkill. Any
> thoughts before I order a rebuild kit? Thanks in advance. Lanny
Lanny/Gang:
I guess you could stretch it to three years if two years is an overkill.
Let us know if you have a fuel pump failure between two and three years.
;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
> But then again, I just have bad karma generally among thieves and crooks.
They can see me coming miles away. A cross I have to bear in our
insurance-laden society I suppose.
>
> LS
Aviation insurance companies have not come across as "thieves and crooks" to
me. If I keep up my end of the bargain, they give me the service I pay for.
One advantage of aviation hull insurance over, automobile collision and
comprehensive insurance is total payoff. Aviation insurance companies do
not depreciate value. If I insure my 18 year old mkIII for 40,000.00, that
is what they will pay if I total it, no matter.
With a 20,000.00 engine and a 20,000.00 airframe and equipment, I am not
wealthy enough to write off that kind of loss. I'll stick to hull
insurance.
I do think it foolish to fly into public airports, or private airports,
around very expensive aircraft, equipment, and people, without having
liability insurance. If I knocked the position light off the wing tip of a
Cessna Citation, I'd be in debt forever.
john h
mkIII- Going flying!!!
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
John/All
Another perspective. I don't carry insurance on my airplane. I have been
told the cost of hull insurance is app. 10% of the cost of your airplane per
year. A experimental might be more. Last year I asked Avemco for a quote on
liability insurance. When they found out I had a VW on my plane that I
installed (not professionally installed) they walked away. They wouldn't
even give me a quote. But they did give me a hat.
I have been flying my plane for ten years so I can total my plane and it
will cost me less to replace than pay for the insurance. You talk about the
monumental cost of recovering your plane from the north slope of Alaska...
Insurance companies don't like to pay more than they have to. They will
figure the appraised value of your plane minus your deductable and IF you
haven't violated any rules or laws might just write you a check.
Liability insurance is a concern but if I'm dead are they really going to go
after my (hopefully grieving) 60 year old widow??? Also my pockets aren't
deep enough to interest a money grubbing lawyer.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: AD insurance
>
>
> > For what it's worth, I have my insurance through Falcon, which I got
> through the EAA. Supposed to cover experimentals.
>>
>> No matter who you go with, you can be sure they'll figure out a way to
>> wriggle out of their end of the bargain when something does happen, so in
>> the end it probably doesn't matter much.
>>
>> I think of insurance as just a big fee that allows you to fly at airports
>> that require ins. I don't seriously think they'd ever cover me in case of
>> a problem, so I write off the airplane in my mind as part of my preflight
>> checklist.
>>
>> Once I get my plane paid off I'm dropping it down to liability only....
>>
>> LS
>
>
> Good Morning, Lucien/Gang:
>
> I think Ted C is talking about life insurance, but I could be wrong.
> Maybe AD in the subject line, indicates Accidental Death.
>
> I replaced my Avemco policy with Falcon Insurance when Avemco dropped
> experimentals some years ago. It does cover experiementals. I had a
> claim last year, after the rats decided to eat my airplane for lunch.
> They use the same adjuster, out of Atlanta, that AVEMCO uses. They were
> prompt to come look at the airplane and prompt to send me a check.
>
> On 1 July 2000, I wiped off the landing gear and damaged the left wing and
> aileron on the MKIII landing on a rough field at Rocky Mountain Lodge,
> Muncho Lake, BC. AVEMCO paid for transporting me and my airplane 3,762
> miles to Titus, Alabama, and all repairs. I worked with an adjuster out
> of Vancouver, BC. He was great.
>
> Insurance companies are not in business to pay, and they will check your
> paperwork to insure you have a current ticket (BFR), medical, annual
> inspection, etc. If you and the airplane are current, they'll pay.
>
> If you owe money on your airplane, the finance institution will require
> hull insurance only to cover their loan. An airport would not be
> interested in hull, but liability insurance only. Liability is cheap
> compared to hull insurance.
>
> One of the great benefits of Falcon Insurance is their coverage any where
> in the North American Continent. My first two flights to Alaska with
> Avemco Insurance I had to buy supplemental insurance to cover my airplane
> north of the Arctic Circle. It was very expensive. It would cost a small
> fortune to recover an aircraft off the North Slope or out of the Brooks
> Mountains, get it back to Fairbanks to repair, or ship back to Alabama for
> me to repair. I could not afford that without insurance. Same here in
> the Lower 48, but not quite as drastic as Northern Canada or Alaska.
>
> If I could afford to write off my airplane, I would not have insurance.
> Unfortunately, I can't afford to do that.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, AL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brolga ultraprop |
List:
Anyone have any first hand experience with the newer blades that
ultraprop is offering for ultra-lights? It sounds like they are built
something like powerfin. The info I read said they were made with carbon fiber
over a foam core. If they dont flex too much they might be a suitable prop
for a Firefly.
Ed Diebel FF# 62 ( 140 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> John/All
>
> Another perspective. I don't carry insurance on my airplane. I have been
> told the cost of hull insurance is app. 10% of the cost of your airplane per
> year. A experimental might be more. Last year I asked Avemco for a quote on
> liability insurance. When they found out I had a VW on my plane that I
> installed (not professionally installed) they walked away. They wouldn't
> even give me a quote. But they did give me a hat.
>
> I have been flying my plane for ten years so I can total my plane and it
> will cost me less to replace than pay for the insurance. You talk about the
> monumental cost of recovering your plane from the north slope of Alaska...
> Insurance companies don't like to pay more than they have to. They will
> figure the appraised value of your plane minus your deductable and IF you
> haven't violated any rules or laws might just write you a check.
>
> Liability insurance is a concern but if I'm dead are they really going to go
> after my (hopefully grieving) 60 year old widow??? Also my pockets aren't
> deep enough to interest a money grubbing lawyer.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
That's actually not unusual (that they turned you down for having the VW conversion).
The ins. co. wants someone involved that's worth enough to go after via
lawsuit if they decide to try to recover a loss.
That's why they don't like "one-off's", like a custom auto-engine conversion or
something along those lines, no matter how well done or reliable it might end
up being.. There's no one left to sue at the end of the day - it's pretty much
just you and you're broke because of having spent all your money on the plane.
But even something like a PSRU made by some (sue-able) company somewhere can satisfy
the underwriter in many cases, even if the rest of the engine is completely
custom-done for instance. You may get a higher rate but they'll still sometimes
write you a policy.
In any case, you have to weigh the likelihood of getting screwed by the insurance
co. against the protections you would have if they did decide to honor their
end of the agreement. There's not much you can do legally if they do screw you,
but there's a lot you can do to help insure they won't. I.e., stay relentlessly
current, meticulous about the logbooks and maint. etc. I don't so much as
turn a wrench without putting it in my logbooks.
Liability is worth it, I agree, if you fly into/out of a lot of airports. It's
good to not hit anything in the first place, but there's always that potential
for disaster....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
At 12:46 PM 1/22/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>Aviation insurance companies have not come across as "thieves and crooks"
>to me. If I keep up my end of the bargain, they give me the service I pay for.
Same here. Really it's just legalized gambling... you're betting you're
going to have an accident, they're betting you won't... and as always, the
odds favor the house.
>One advantage of aviation hull insurance over, automobile collision and
>comprehensive insurance is total payoff. Aviation insurance companies do
>not depreciate value. If I insure my 18 year old mkIII for 40,000.00,
>that is what they will pay if I total it, no matter.
That's because planes don't depreciate significantly, if at all.
>With a 20,000.00 engine and a 20,000.00 airframe and equipment, I am not
>wealthy enough to write off that kind of loss. I'll stick to hull insurance.
With a $2500 airplane, including engine and "equipment", I'm not wealthy
enough to _pay_ for hull insurance.
>I do think it foolish to fly into public airports, or private airports,
>around very expensive aircraft, equipment, and people, without having
>liability insurance. If I knocked the position light off the wing tip of
>a Cessna Citation, I'd be in debt forever.
Which is why I have liability insurance... and would even if my airport
didn't require it.
-Dana
--
"If yew ain't livin' on th' edge, yer takin' up too much room!"
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| Subject: | Re: Brolga ultraprop |
At 02:17 PM 1/22/2010, daquanut@aol.com wrote:
>
> Anyone have any first hand experience with the newer blades that
> ultraprop is offering for ultra-lights? It sounds like they are built
> something like powerfin. The info I read said they were made with carbon
> fiber over a foam core. If they dont flex too much they might be a
> suitable prop for a Firefly.
After seeing a Powerfin explode due to damage from gravel kicked up by a
MKIII's tires, I'll stick to wood or solid composites like Warp Drive on
any pusher aircaft.
I don't know what the new blades look like, but people I know who have
tried Ultraprops have found them to be notoriously poor performers compared
to other props. Also they're hard to adjust as you have to get new pitch
blocks for each change.
-Dana
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"If yew ain't livin' on th' edge, yer takin' up too much room!"
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| Subject: | Re: Brolga ultraprop |
[quote="Dana"]
> After seeing a Powerfin explode due to damage from gravel kicked up by a MKIII's
tires, I'll stick to wood or solid composites like Warp Drive on any pusher
aircaft.
>
For what it's worth, Powerfin changed the design of their blades slightly a while
back. I used to have one of the old ones and currently have two of the new
ones. The newer blades are slightly heavier and seem to be constructed differently.
The older model really was a lightweight thing, but the new ones strike
me as stronger overall.
There's no stronger pusher you can buy for the 912 than an F model powerfin, but
it doesn't have the speed range of the Warp Drive taper tip.
>
> I don't know what the new blades look like, but people I know who have tried
Ultraprops have found them to be notoriously poor performers compared to other
props. Also they're hard to adjust as you have to get new pitch blocks for
each change.
>
Flew an ultraprop on my quicksilver for about 70 hours when I first bought it.
The blades were so floppy they would thwap up against the tail mount tubes when
I was starting the engine (Rotax 503). All that time I thought the engine was
detonating as it cranked up - it was hard to tell what the noise was while pulling
the rope standing in front of the plane. Wasn't until one of the locals
told me "hey, you know your prop blades are whacking up against your tail mounts..."....
Performance was somewhere between horrible and terrible. When I rebuilt the plane
about a year after I bought it, I replaced the ultraprop with a 2-blade woody.
The difference in performance was astounding.
An awful prop all around, tho I must say still very durable.....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Brolga ultraprop |
> There's no stronger pusher you can buy for the 912 than an F model
powerfin, but it doesn't have the speed range of the Warp Drive taper tip.
>
> Flew an ultraprop on my quicksilver for about 70 hours when I first
bought it. The blades were so floppy they would thwap up against the tail
mount tubes when I was starting the engine (Rotax 503). All that time I
thought the engine was detonating as it cranked up - it was hard to tell
what the noise was while pulling the rope standing in front of the plane.
Wasn't until one of the locals told me "hey, you know your prop blades are
whacking up against your tail mounts..."....
>
> LS
Lucien/Gang:
How did you determine the F Model Powerfin was the strongest?
Is there a cut away diagram of the Powerfin construction available on line?
Since I don't fly very far without a prop, I chose the Warp Drive for all my
flights since 1993. I don't follow roads, so I have to have a prop I can
depend on to get me there and get me home.
My buddy John W flew with a Warp Drive for the same reasons.
70 hours is a long time to beat up the airframe with prop blades. I would
think the blade strikes would leave telltale marks on the aluminum tubes.
You are lucky.
I had a blade strike on my mkIII with a 70" inch tapered Warp Drive blade on
startup with my new 912ULS. The blades got the back side of the leading
edge tube and inboard rib tubes of the left flap. This was a few days prior
to take off for Alaska in 2000. Went from a 2" to a 4" prop extention. No
more problems. This was an early 912ULS without high torque starter and
slip clutch. I put over 800 hours on that engine before Rotax came out with
the starter/slip clutch offer. That made my 912ULS start like a baby.
$600.00 well spent.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Brolga ultraprop |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Lucien/Gang:
>
> How did you determine the F Model Powerfin was the strongest?
>
I meant strongest in terms of thrust, not strength of the prop itself (this is
evident by climb rate, which is the highest with my powerfin at Vy and 5300 rpm
than any other prop I've tried on the plane).
As for durability, If I were doing lots of soft/rough field ops I'd probably not
feel quite as good about the powerfin as I do now. Very stiff and powerful blades,
but they're not as durable as the Warp Drive no matter how you slice it.
I still have mine and would probably mount it and put up with the harmonic if
I were planning on any rough or dirty fields.
At my altitude, tho, the more climb the better and the powerfin has the slight
edge here.
>
> 70 hours is a long time to beat up the airframe with prop blades. I would
> think the blade strikes would leave telltale marks on the aluminum tubes.
>
> You are lucky.
>
You're telling me. That was back in the bad old days when I was first starting
out and didn't know a whole lot about what I was doing. I'm glad I survived those
early years, I've learnt a lot since then.
I didn't even notice the marks at the time. When I tore the plane down later for
its rebuild, you could see the indentations in the ends of the tail mount tubes.
Tough prop tho.
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: AD insurance |
I hope this won't sound like an insurance commercial but I have had first hand
experience with Old Republic through the Travers Agency. Both the agency and the
carrier treated me fairly. An adjuster was on the scene of the accident within
a couple of days and the carrier paid for a second opinion of the damage as
well as storage until the claim was settled for the full amount of the hull
insurance. They refunded my premium, dated to the accident and now are writing
my replacement plane at a fair price.
As for liability insurance, it is a must. Accidents do happen. I saw the day after
of a Kolb Firestar that got away from the pilot on a ramp and hit a Cessna
in the baggage door. Itbuckled the Cessna fuselage. You might be able topay fordamage
to your aircraft but try paying for someones certified Cessna or Cirrus.
Jon L.
Minnesota
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