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1. 12:04 AM - Re: buck-tooth idiots (PATRICK LADD)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: Learning to fly a Kolb (lucien)
3. 04:15 AM - Re: country folk & gettin shot at !! (lucien)
4. 05:05 AM - Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (Richard Girard)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (K I)
7. 06:58 AM - (K I)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Learning to fly a Kolb (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb (Larry Cottrell)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb (Mike Welch)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (Richard Pike)
12. 09:49 AM - Re: Learning to fly a Kolb (albertakolbmk3)
13. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (John Hauck)
14. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (Mike Welch)
15. 09:59 AM - Firefly again (lucien)
16. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb (John Hauck)
17. 10:47 AM - Re: Firefly again (Herb)
18. 11:14 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (Jack B. Hart)
20. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (zeprep251@AOL.COM)
21. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (Richard Girard)
22. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (John Hauck)
23. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III (chris davis)
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| Subject: | Re: buck-tooth idiots |
Hi Russ,
people get het up over all sorts of things. I would not consider flying low
myself except over Salisbury Plain where ther is nothing but the army play
ing soldiers. No one from the field ever flies circuits. Fly away as quietl
y as possible and do your aeros somewhere else.
We had one guy in a GLIDER who was shot at while on the approach. Luckily h
e was in a Blanik which is all metal and the shot only made some dings but
in a fabric covered plane he may well have been hurt.The gunner was summone
d and heavily fined.
Still very hot. Just been out in the bay in a kayak. Great.
-
Pat
--- On Tue, 9/2/10, russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com> wrote:
From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: buck-tooth idiots
FWIW and IMHO -- there are times when low flying is necessary; photography,
game surveys, searches for lost children, etc. And it's great fun, which i
s probably why most pilots do it. But it can and does disturb animals, some
more than others. Which is why the 1000' minimum altitude over wildlife re
fuges. Even at 1000', a Cessna will sometimes panic flocks of geese, most l
ikely because its planform- resembles a flying hawk.
There are idiots everywhere who will shoot at anything that moves; they're
certainly not just restricted to rural areas. And bad behavior is really no
t acceptable anywhere.
I've done a lot of low flying, and yes, I've been shot at, mostly by duckhu
nters I didn't know were there. But birdshot won't reach me, and then I jus
t turn & go elsewhere. No big deal. Not hit yet, seriously at least, and th
e hunters got their message across; stay out of this area.
But I do try to "fly friendly" & not harass people or animals on the ground
. I feel better that way.
Russ K
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On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
> Lucien,
>
> I grew up on a farm in north central Iowa.- If anything flew over and
> harassed the livestock we would take a shot at the varmit with a 22
> rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.- If someone flew over low enough to see th
e
> shape of our teeth, there would be a strong desire to put a hole or two
> in the wing.- Stupidity should be rewarded with the knowledge that ther
e
> are certain behaviors that are not acceptable in rural areas.
>
> The question here is, who is the idot? It is good to know that Texas rura
l
> folk were successful in your re-education.
>
> Yes, you hit a nerve, and yes, now I feel better.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
> At 11:18 AM 2/8/10 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>> One of the reasons I'm an altitude man and don't like low-and-slow.....
I
> worried the most about getting shot at back when I flew my powered
> parachute. We flew out in the boonies of TX most of the time and there wa
s
> no shortage of buck-tooth idiots around out there who'd not think twice
> about shooting at anything that flew over them.
>>
>> Even here I try to fly quietly and as high up as I can reasonably go
> without wasting too much gas, etc.......
>>
>> LS
>>
>> --------
>> LS
>> Titan II SS
>>
>>
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>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I find most of your comments on the Kolb List are information you pick up
> from other sources, and not necessarily your own personal, hands on
> experience. Some of it is good, and some of it is not so good. You come
> across as a fair weather flyer, rather than a well rounded all weather VFR
> pilot.
>
It's unfortunate that you feel that way, but like I said when I rejoined the list,
you're nobody that I need to impress as a "well-rounded" anything. So I'm
unconcerned about your feelings in this matter and hold them in no regard. Sorry.
I'd suggest talking your worries over with a good friend, mentor or spiritual advisor
if they're really keeping you up at night.
As for my comments, I offer what experience I do have a a pilot and owner/op freely;
you and anyone else are free to verify anything I say.
In fact, I would suggest that's probably a good idea with anything one hears on
the Kolb list. Nothing given here should be taken "on faith" as frequently safety
is an issue with the topics that are typically under discussion.
As for my commentary on this particular topic, I made it clear my Kolb experience
is only with the FS II and may not be completely applicable to the Mark III.
To the OP, yes training in type is probably the #1 best idea. Either way, you'll
love the plane. Did I ever mention that I miss my FSII? ;)
LS
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LS
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| Subject: | Re: country folk & gettin shot at !! |
Dana wrote:
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> Hey, some of use are Yankee _country_ folk!
>
> Never been shot at, that I know of, but my part of Connecticut is mostly woods
so I don't fly that low very often...
>
> -Dana
>
Some of us are actually Yankee southern country folk! (I lived in new england for
a while in the 70's).....
Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
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LS
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LS
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| Subject: | Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Mike, Here's what I've learned in the hundred hours or so that I've been
flying a Mk III.
One: Don't fast taxi. You're airplane wants to fly, let it. All tail wheel
aircraft are unstable on the ground, any good book on flying tail wheel
aircraft will tell you so, as will experience, so why would you want to take
the aircraft into the region where it is most unstable and then keep it
there?
Two: take off technique. I think I've covered them all at some point.
Conventional tail wheel, i.e., accelerate, raise the tail, at rotation lower
the tail, works good, busy, much stick wagging. Modified conventional tail
wheel, stick forward, accelerate, begin steady pull until lift off, better,
IMHO. Short field take off, half flaps, stick neutral, accelerate, airplane
flies off, at 50 to 100 feet raise flaps, nose comes up into max performance
climb, lower nose slightly if you're uncomfortable flying with your feet
higher than your head (okay, that's a little extreme, but climbing at 40 IAS
sure seems like that sometimes) Best for me, I use it all the time, now.
Three: get some altitude, do approach stalls clean, half and full flaps. You
need to record these anyway, might as well get them done. My aircraft these
are 37, 35, and 32 respectively. Do departure stalls, or rather demonstrate
to yourself that lightly loaded the airplane doesn't, she'll just bob her
nose a little.
Four: relax, fly around a bit, get used to the view out the wind screen.
Five: landing, approach at 50, probably clean is best although the approach
isn't that much steeper with half flaps. Keep power on. About 750 PROP RPM
works for me, fly her down to a few feet off the ground, pull power, let her
settle on the main gear, i.e. wheel her on. Try to wipe that silly grin off
your face.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
The hard part of flying a Kolb is trying to wipe that Kolb Grin of your fa
ce
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:53 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III
Mike, Here's what I've learned in the hundred hours or so that I've been
flying a Mk III.
One: Don't fast taxi. You're airplane wants to fly, let it. All tail wheel
aircraft are unstable on the ground, any good book on flying tail wheel
aircraft will tell you so, as will experience, so why would you want to
take the aircraft into the region where it is most unstable and then keep
it there?
Two: take off technique. I think I've covered them all at some point. Conv
entional tail wheel, i.e., accelerate, raise the tail, at rotation lower
the tail, works good, busy, much stick wagging. Modified conventional tai
l wheel, stick forward, accelerate, begin steady pull until lift off, bett
er, IMHO. Short field take off, half flaps, stick neutral, accelerate, air
plane flies off, at 50 to 100 feet raise flaps, nose comes up into max per
formance climb, lower nose slightly if you're uncomfortable flying with yo
ur feet higher than your head (okay, that's a little extreme, but climbing
at 40 IAS sure seems like that sometimes) Best for me, I use it all the
time, now.
Three: get some altitude, do approach stalls clean, half and full flaps.
You need to record these anyway, might as well get them done. My aircraft
these are 37, 35, and 32 respectively. Do departure stalls, or rather dem
onstrate to yourself that lightly loaded the airplane doesn't, she'll just
bob her nose a little.
Four: relax, fly around a bit, get used to the view out the wind screen.
Five: landing, approach at 50, probably clean is best although the approac
h isn't that much steeper with half flaps. Keep power on. About 750 PROP
RPM works for me, fly her down to a few feet off the ground, pull power,
let her settle on the main gear, i.e. wheel her on. Try to wipe that sill
y grin off your face.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Hello List=2C
I have read every word posted regarding how to fly a MIII. I have had my FS
II since last May=2C (2009). I have been learning to fly in a Super Cub PA-
18. I anticipate that I will be starting to fly my Kolb at the end of Febru
ary.
If anyone wants to post information on transitioning from the Cub to my FSI
I=2C please feel free to do so. If I would be better to do it off the list
=2C I will send you my email address or phone number. I am eager to learn m
ore.
I have gone up with Boyd Young twice in his MIII. I have not flown a Kolb y
et. Since I am new at this=2C keep it simple.
I will be attending the fly-in at MV this year.
Kurt
Kolb FSII
Rotax 503
Utah
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III
From: elleryweld@aol.com
The hard part of flying a Kolb is trying to wipe that Kolb Grin of your fac
e
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed=2C Feb 10=2C 2010 7:53 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III
Mike=2C Here's what I've learned in the hundred hours or so that I've been
flying a Mk III.
One: Don't fast taxi. You're airplane wants to fly=2C let it. All tail whee
l aircraft are unstable on the ground=2C any good book on flying tail wheel
aircraft will tell you so=2C as will experience=2C so why would you want t
o take the aircraft into the region where it is most unstable and then keep
it there?
Two: take off technique. I think I've covered them all at some point. Conve
ntional tail wheel=2C i.e.=2C accelerate=2C raise the tail=2C at rotation l
ower the tail=2C works good=2C busy=2C much stick wagging. Modified convent
ional tail wheel=2C stick forward=2C accelerate=2C begin steady pull until
lift off=2C better=2C IMHO. Short field take off=2C half flaps=2C stick neu
tral=2C accelerate=2C airplane flies off=2C at 50 to 100 feet raise flaps
=2C nose comes up into max performance climb=2C lower nose slightly if you'
re uncomfortable flying with your feet higher than your head (okay=2C that'
s a little extreme=2C but climbing at 40 IAS sure seems like that sometimes
) Best for me=2C I use it all the time=2C now.
Three: get some altitude=2C do approach stalls clean=2C half and full flaps
. You need to record these anyway=2C might as well get them done. My aircra
ft these are 37=2C 35=2C and 32 respectively. Do departure stalls=2C or rat
her demonstrate to yourself that lightly loaded the airplane doesn't=2C she
'll just bob her nose a little.
Four: relax=2C fly around a bit=2C get used to the view out the wind screen
.
Five: landing=2C approach at 50=2C probably clean is best although the appr
oach isn't that much steeper with half flaps. Keep power on. About 750 PROP
RPM works for me=2C fly her down to a few feet off the ground=2C pull powe
r=2C let her settle on the main gear=2C i.e. wheel her on. Try to wipe that
silly grin off your face.
Rick Girard
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Hello List=2C
I have read every word posted regarding how to fly a MIII. I have had my FS
II since last May=2C (2009). I have been learning to fly in a Super Cub PA-
18. I anticipate that I will be starting to fly my Kolb at the end of Febru
ary. I will be attending the fly-in at MV this year.
If anyone wants to post information on transitioning from the Cub to my FSI
I=2C please feel free to do so. If I would be better to do it off the list
=2C I will send you my email address or phone number. I am eager to learn m
ore.
I have gone up with Boyd Young twice in his MIII. I have not flown a Kolb y
et. Since I am new at this=2C keep it simple.
Kurt
Kolb FSII
Rotax 503
Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb |
<< My question is, Is it easy to learn to fly your Kolb? Mike Welch
MkIII >>
Hi, Mike -
I think the general answer is "Yes," learning to fly a Kolb is easy.
But the necessary caveat is, beware of the unique performance & handling
aspects of such a light aircraft, especially in the landing phase of
flight. Here's my experience:
I was the first-flight test pilot of my Mark-3. Like you, I had about
500 hours' total flight time experience under my belt at the time - all
of it in general aviation planes, such as Cherokees, Cessnas, Citabiras
and TriPacers. I thought this experience was sufficient. I was wrong.
On my very first landing, I made the mistake of pulling the power to
idle on short final, knowing that I had the runway made. I expected the
momentum to carry me through a gradual decent for the last 20 feet of
altitude, as I was accustomed to in the heavier aircraft I had been
flying. Instead, my airspeed bled off very rapidly, and my Mark-3
slowed to its stall speed while still about 8 feet above the runway.
Plop. (Though I adamantly refuse to use the term "Kolb quit." A stall
is a stall, no matter what airplane you get too slow in!) Bent both
gear legs on that landing. Very embarrassing.
So, within a month, I visited the New Kolb factory in London, KY and
spent a weekend getting some dual in the factory Mark-III Xtra with
Bryan Milborn and Norm Labhart. I received 3 hours of instruction that
weekend, doing just patterns and landings. Absolutely worth the trip!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, Powerfin-72
Sandia Park, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb |
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: lucien
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I find most of your comments on the Kolb List are information you
pick up
> from other sources, and not necessarily your own personal, hands on
> experience. Some of it is good, and some of it is not so good. You
come
> across as a fair weather flyer, rather than a well rounded all
weather VFR
> pilot.
>
It's unfortunate that you feel that way, but like I said when I
rejoined the list, you're nobody that I need to impress as a
"well-rounded" anything. So I'm unconcerned about your feelings in this
matter and hold them in no regard. Sorry.
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Lucien,
I have no desire to get involved in any kind of a "pissing match",
but you should know that you are seriously inclined to "prattle". Mostly
I ignore it, but it has been getting worse recently. I know the weather
is bad, it is causing me to be a bit grumpier than usual. Perhaps you
should consider a new hobby rather than typing.
Sorry!
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb |
On my very first landing=2C I made the mistake of pulling the power to idle
on short final=2C knowing that I had the runway made.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III=2C 912ul=2C Powerfin-72
Sandia Park=2C NM
Dennis=2C
Thanks for pointing out this landing tendency. You are in agreement with
John H.=2C as he also says to fly the plane all the way to landing it. Ev
idently "Kolb quit" should be more aptly named "pilot quit"=2C since the pl
ane is only going to fly as long as the pilot asks it to.
If the pilot stops flying the plane at a slow airspeed=2C obviously it=2C t
oo=2C will stop flying.
I think I'll head out to my shop and work on mounting the wings. That wo
uld be a nice project to get done today. 6" of snow here in Missouri. I'm
looking forward to April!!!
Thanks again=2C Dennis.
Mike Welch
MkIII ---final assembly time
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
One thing to add: figure out ahead of time exactly what is straight ahead. When
you come in for your first landing, you are sitting in an airplane with a tapered
nose, and no prior experience landing it. Consequently it is easy to touch
down somewhat cockeyed and then do some really notable bouncing and lurching
around. (Guess how I know this? By the raucous laughter in the background as
I told the tower I wanted to go around the pattern and try it again...)
In my case, the compass is straight ahead. It is habit now, but after my first
few crossed up bounce-and-lurches, I made a habit of having my line of sight down
the runway go right above the compass.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb |
Guys,
I just had to put in my experience because I am a LOW time pilot flying a MKIII.
20 years ago started my Private Pilots license, had 15 hrs including soloing
in a cessna 150. Unfortunately things changed and that is as far as I got. Fast-forward
to today... I have approx. 15 hrs in ultralights. Started my instruction
in a beaver rx550. I did approx. 5 hrs in that, then went to my MKIII which
I have the remainder in. I had 5 hrs in the mkIII when I soloed. My instructor
even commented on how nice the Kolb flies. My only problem that I encountered
with the Kolb (tail-dragger) is landing runout on pavement. I have to really
work to keep it on the line, from inexperience I'm sure. Other then that,
I really enjoy flying it. I find that landing it is fairly straightforward. I
have the standard gear and tire size and find that I usually touch down on the
mains but the tail wheel isn't far behind. I've also done a few three point
landings. As I mentioned above my, biggest problem is keeping it straight down
the line. Not that it's squirrelly just that I overcompensate I guess. I find
I always do a fairly steep approach sometimes with flaps sometimes without (I've
used as much as 20 deg. ...still getting a feel for it). I'm usually around
55mph over the fence, I flare and with the help of ground affects it settles
in nicely. I touchdown around 35 to 40 mph. Hope this helps.
--------
Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
> In my case, the compass is straight ahead. It is habit now, but after my
first few crossed up bounce-and-lurches, I made a habit of having my line of
sight down the runway go right above the compass.
>
> Richard Pike
Richard P/Gang:
I have done all my tests flight from sod. Very forgiving. Will slip and
skid the mains with much less probablity to ground loop.
If I was at a paved strip, I'd check out a appropriate sod/dirt/gravel area
to shoot my initial landings until I got accustomed to the new airplane.
If I had to land on pavement initially, I'd get a good sight picture on the
ground, while taxiing straight ahead to insure I had the aircraft correctly
aligned before I shot my first approach.
For what it is worth,
john hauck
mkIII - 6,725 MKIII take offs and landings - most successful - a few not so
successful.
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Thanks Bro. Richard=2C
That's something I STILL have trouble with!!! What looks good to me d
oesn't seem to be what looks good to my airplane. ????
I'll be sure and make a note of getting this "squared away"!!
Best regards=2C Mike
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All,
Quick question about the firefly. I looked through the archives of the list and
couldn't quite find a discussion of this, if there is one already I apologize
for asking again.
I'm curious about the legroom - i.e. I'm 5' 7" and wonder what a squeeze I would
be in a FF? I remember with my FS II I actually had to fashion some extensions
to put on the rudder pedals so I could reach them (Bob, the new owner kept
them in fact, as he and I have similar statures ;)).
Just wondering how I'd fit in a FF? Havn't had a chance to sit in one yet so just
curious.
Thanks,
LS
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Titan II SS
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As I mentioned above my, biggest problem i!
> s keeping it straight down the line. Not that it's squirrelly just that I
> overcompensate I guess. >
> --------
> Tony B.
Tony/Gang:
Your problem with rolling out could be caused by weak tail wheel springs. I
have flown a lot of Kolbs that had this problem. I have also seen a lot of
the Kolb kits supplied with tail wheel springs that are not stiff enough.
This would give you a fit on pavement. Effectively, you have very little
tail wheel steering if the tail wheel springs are weak.
Another problem I have encountered when flying off pavement in Kolbs is a
stiff and/or sticking tail wheel pivot. This can give the pilot serious
problems taking off and landing on pavement, especially when flying a Kolb
like mine that has a lot of weight on the tail wheel.
john hauck - Still learning about Kolbs and people.
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
6'2" and 200 lbs..dressed....fit in the firefly just great...very
comfortable..Herb
At 11:58 AM 2/10/2010, you wrote:
>
>All,
>Quick question about the firefly. I looked through the archives of
>the list and couldn't quite find a discussion of this, if there is
>one already I apologize for asking again.
>
>I'm curious about the legroom - i.e. I'm 5' 7" and wonder what a
>squeeze I would be in a FF? I remember with my FS II I actually had
>to fashion some extensions to put on the rudder pedals so I could
>reach them (Bob, the new owner kept them in fact, as he and I have
>similar statures ;)).
>
>Just wondering how I'd fit in a FF? Havn't had a chance to sit in
>one yet so just curious.
>
>Thanks,
>LS
>
>--------
>LS
>Titan II SS
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285851#285851
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>02/10/10 07:40:00
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herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote:
> 6'2" and 200 lbs..dressed....fit in the firefly just great...very
> comfortable..Herb
>
>
Ok, thanks Herb.... Mental gears, they are a'turnin here....
I guess next thing is to try to find one to actually sit in...
Thanks,
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Richard is on to something that gave me trouble in learning to land a
sailplane. I did not know were to put the horizon relative to the very low
instrument panel. Finally, I put a piece of black electrician's tape on the
inside of the canopy to tell me where the horizon was in level flight.
After that I had no problems with landing. After a while I no longer needed
it. When I started flying the FireFly, I used the same technique.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
At 09:39 AM 2/10/10 -0800, you wrote:
>
>One thing to add: figure out ahead of time exactly what is straight ahead. When
you come in for your first landing, you are sitting in an airplane with a tapered
nose, and no prior experience landing it. Consequently it is easy to touch
down somewhat cockeyed and then do some really notable bouncing and lurching
around. (Guess how I know this? By the raucous laughter in the background as
I told the tower I wanted to go around the pattern and try it again...)
>
>In my case, the compass is straight ahead. It is habit now, but after my first
few crossed up bounce-and-lurches, I made a habit of having my line of sight
down the runway go right above the compass.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
The difference between the fs2 and the mk3 is where you sit.Dead ahead in
the fs but off to one side and at quite an angle in the mark3.Fast taxi
with the tail up on a calm day, staying on the center line will give you
excellent perspective as to where straight ahead is from your seat.It's
hard to believe at first,but that was the easiest for me.Other than that
they fly very similarly.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200 510
hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III
Richard is on to something that gave me trouble in learning to land a
sailplane. I did not know were to put the horizon relative to the very lo
w
instrument panel. Finally, I put a piece of black electrician's tape on
the
inside of the canopy to tell me where the horizon was in level flight.
After that I had no problems with landing. After a while I no longer need
ed
it. When I started flying the FireFly, I used the same technique.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
At 09:39 AM 2/10/10 -0800, you wrote:
>
>One thing to add: figure out ahead of time exactly what is straight ahead
. When
you come in for your first landing, you are sitting in an airplane with a
tapered nose, and no prior experience landing it. Consequently it is easy
to
touch down somewhat cockeyed and then do some really notable bouncing and
lurching around. (Guess how I know this? By the raucous laughter in the
background as I told the tower I wanted to go around the pattern and try
it
again...)
>
>In my case, the compass is straight ahead. It is habit now, but after my
first
few crossed up bounce-and-lurches, I made a habit of having my line of sig
ht
down the runway go right above the compass.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Rather than fast taxi, put a yaw string on the canopy and a piece of pin
stripe tape right under it. When the yaw string is over the tape stripe,
you're aligned. Also helps with turn coordination.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote:
> The difference between the fs2 and the mk3 is where you sit.Dead ahead in
> the fs but off to one side and at quite an angle in the mark3.Fast taxi with
> the tail up on a calm day, staying on the center line will give you
> excellent perspective as to where straight ahead is from your seat.It's hard
> to believe at first,but that was the easiest for me.Other than that they fly
> very similarly.
> G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200
> 510hrs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:37 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III
>
>
>
> Richard is on to something that gave me trouble in learning to land a
>
> sailplane. I did not know were to put the horizon relative to the very low
>
> instrument panel. Finally, I put a piece of black electrician's tape on the
>
> inside of the canopy to tell me where the horizon was in level flight.
>
> After that I had no problems with landing. After a while I no longer needed
>
> it. When I started flying the FireFly, I used the same technique.
>
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
>
> Winchester, IN
>
>
> At 09:39 AM 2/10/10 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
> >
>
> >One thing to add: figure out ahead of time exactly what is straight ahead. When
>
> you come in for your first landing, you are sitting in an airplane with a
>
> tapered nose, and no prior experience landing it. Consequently it is easy to
>
> touch down somewhat cockeyed and then do some really notable bouncing and
>
> lurching around. (Guess how I know this? By the raucous laughter in the
>
> background as I told the tower I wanted to go around the pattern and try it
>
> again...)
>
> >
>
> >In my case, the compass is straight ahead. It is habit now, but after my first
>
> few crossed up bounce-and-lurches, I made a habit of having my line of sight
>
> down the runway go right above the compass.
>
> >
>
> >Richard Pike
>
> >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Maybe I am missing something here.
The yaw string will tell you when you are in aerodynamic trim if it is
aligned with the fuselage while flying. The nose of the aircraft may
not be aligned with the airstrip.
If you have a cross wind while taxiing straight ahead, it will blow the
yaw string left or right depending on the wind.
I'm going to stick to my idea to see which way my airplane is pointed in
relation to the airstrip. I think if I drive it straight down the
airstrip or taxiway, I'll get a good sight picture of that. Don't have
to go fast or stick my tail in the air to do it.
I never think about alignment consciously. Probably using my peripheral
vision, what is left of it, to watch my wing tips for alignment.
Hell, I don't know. ;-)
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Rather than fast taxi, put a yaw string on the canopy and a piece of
pin stripe tape right under it. When the yaw string is over the tape
stripe, you're aligned. Also helps with turn coordination.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III |
Jack /Gang, I have been biting my tongue about what I thought and what happ
ened to me but your mention of sailplanes perked me up I think that the bes
t training for almost any aircraft is to take some instruction in a Glider
.I was earning my Private Glider permit while i was building my firestar KX
P and the switzer 233 is a great teacher-- really relating to flying th
e airplane not just looking at guages and trying to fly by some numbers tha
t although they work in a Cessna 172 dont necessarily work in all aircraft
and definitely dont work in a KOLB , Learn to fly with No engine and a dead
stick landing every time will teach you so much about flying trhat when yo
u get in aKolb and learn that pushing the throttle forward doesnt make the
nose go up the rest is simple" just fly the aircraft"performance of the air
craft becomes apparent as you fly and-In the 2 stroke world as frequently
happens at least sometimes happens an engine out is not a panic
situation you just "fly the aircraft" . The art of flying is so necessary
when flying with no engine that in my opinion should be required before any
one get a permit to fly anything with an engine and =0AI should say that fl
ying the Kolb Firestar was a very logical Very Very much like flying the 23
3 lighter but the same response to input from me-the air , the wind the s
tall speed,-as all aircraft I have flown.Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0A
Glider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________
________________________=0AFrom: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>=0AT
o: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, February 10, 2010 2:37:08 PM=0ASubj
ect: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Learning to fly a Kolb Mk III=0A=0A--> Kolb-List me
ssage posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>=0A=0ARichard is o
n to something that gave me trouble in learning to land a =0Asailplane.-
I did not know were to put the horizon relative to the very low =0Ainstrume
nt panel.- Finally, I put a piece of black electrician's tape on the =0Ai
nside of the canopy to tell me where the horizon was in level flight.-
=0AAfter that I had no problems with landing.- After a while I no longer
needed =0Ait.- When I started flying the FireFly, I used the same techniq
ue.=0A=0AJack B. Hart FF004=0AWinchester, IN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAt 09:39 AM 2/10
ichard@bcchapel.org>=0A>=0A>One thing to add: figure out ahead of time exac
tly what is straight ahead. When you come in for your first landing, you ar
e sitting in an airplane with a tapered nose, and no prior experience landi
ng it. Consequently it is easy to touch down somewhat cockeyed and then do
some really notable bouncing and lurching around. (Guess how I know this? B
y the raucous laughter in the background as I told the tower I wanted to go
around the pattern and try it again...)=0A>=0A>In my case, the compass is
straight ahead. It is habit now, but after my first few crossed up bounce-a
nd-lurches, I made a habit of having my line of sight down the runway go ri
ght above the compass. =0A>=0A>Richard Pike=0A>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0A>
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