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1. 01:33 AM - Re: Firefly again (David Lucas)
2. 04:53 AM - Attitude response to flaps (Bob Kravis)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Firefly again (Ducati SS)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: Attitude response to flaps (Jack B. Hart)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: Firefly again (Jack B. Hart)
6. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Firefly again (Herb)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien)
8. 06:25 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien)
9. 06:41 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien)
10. 06:43 AM - Tailwheel rigging (Mike Welch)
11. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Firefly again (Jack B. Hart)
12. 07:07 AM - Re: Attitude response to flaps (Richard Pike)
13. 07:12 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien)
14. 08:40 AM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Jack B. Hart)
15. 10:00 AM - vortech (chris davis)
16. 10:24 AM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (John Hauck)
17. 11:14 AM - Re: vortech (lucien)
18. 12:18 PM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Thom Riddle)
19. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel rigging (Dana Hague)
20. 01:08 PM - Re: vortech (Richard Pike)
21. 01:25 PM - Re: vortech (lucien)
22. 01:29 PM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Mike Welch)
23. 01:29 PM - old Kolb promo videos (Thom Riddle)
24. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: vortech (chris davis)
25. 06:43 PM - Ultrastar Fuel Pumps (carl tosh)
26. 07:31 PM - Re: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps (John Hauck)
27. 09:08 PM - Re: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps (carl tosh)
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
lucien wrote:
> At my altitude the 503 pretty much becomes a 447 LS
I note the altitude record (5th March 1989) of 'Facet Opel' microlight in Australia
powered by a 447 was 29,996 Ft (9144m)
How high are you planning to go Lucien ? [Wink]
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Subject: | Attitude response to flaps |
When you deploy flaps how does the plane respond in pitch? Does the nose go
up or down and is it negligible, modest or pronounced? Likewise, how would
you characterize what happens when flaps are retracted?
I am specifically interested in the Firefly but suspect that all Kolbs are
somewhat similar.
bk
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
I am just finishing a Firefly. I am 5'8". Built to plans there is no seat adjustment
and the only rudder pedal adjustment is cable length during rigging ( not
much). I can reach the pedals but only deflect them slightly. Will need a cushion
on seat back. Kolb states that the Firefly is not strong enough for the
extra weight or higher speed of the 503. If you have not purchased a kit yet I
would avoid early Firefly kits. Mine is #22 and the welded parts were very poorly
made. Kolb assures me the problem has been corrected (new welder and new
jigs). Other than that I can find no fault with the design, strong, well engineered
, high quality materials and excellent factory support.
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Subject: | Re: Attitude response to flaps |
Bob,
As you extend the flaps the nose will rotate down in a modest to pronounced
manner. As you remove the flaps the reverse is true.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject:From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com>
When you deploy flaps how does the plane respond in pitch? Does the nose go
up or down and is it negligible, modest or pronounced? Likewise, how would
you characterize what happens when flaps are retracted?
I am specifically interested in the Firefly but suspect that all Kolbs are
somewhat similar.
bk
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
At 10:53 AM 2/11/10 -0500, you wrote:
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>I believe there's a FF with a 912 on it -- flies beautifully.
>
Russ,
Where can one find more info about this configuration?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
I think it is called a Slingshot!! :-) Herb
At 07:45 AM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
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>At 10:53 AM 2/11/10 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >I believe there's a FF with a 912 on it -- flies beautifully.
> >
>
>Russ,
>
>Where can one find more info about this configuration?
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
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>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>02/11/10 07:35:00
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
Dana wrote:
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> $386.25/year from USUA or ASC, whether N-numbered or not.
>
>
>
> If you're talking hull insurance, well, that might be more problematic...
>
>
Ah hah - I'll have to show that to my ins. co (tho they're probably all the same
underwriter ;)).
Whether I get hull would depend on how I paid for the plane of course (if you borrow
of course the bank will require hull). It's super super pricey on my titan....
But the other concern like I said would be actually making 103. I don't know how
close the stock/bare FF is in terms of weight, so would have to research that
with whatever options (like the covering and possibly wind screen) I'd go with.
OTOH, I do still have my old C box with "Rice King" clutch and the spare 68" PF
prop. That's a couple thousand bucks of stuff right there that'd give me a headstart
on a 503 equipped FS II.
Still pushing a pencil across the paper on it so I'll see what I come up with....
LS
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
David Lucas wrote:
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> lucien wrote:
> > At my altitude the 503 pretty much becomes a 447 LS
>
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> I note the altitude record (5th March 1989) of 'Facet Opel' microlight in Australia
powered by a 447 was 29,996 Ft (9144m)
>
> How high are you planning to go Lucien ? [Wink]
Well my current airport is at 6300' MSL and 10,000' MSL is a kick around the patch
for me. In my previous FS II, it was a good 5 to 10min climb to 8500 or 9000,
where the view was good ;).
LS
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
Ducati SS wrote:
> I am just finishing a Firefly. I am 5'8". Built to plans there is no seat adjustment
and the only rudder pedal adjustment is cable length during rigging (
not much). I can reach the pedals but only deflect them slightly. Will need a
cushion on seat back. Kolb states that the Firefly is not strong enough for the
extra weight or higher speed of the 503. If you have not purchased a kit yet
I would avoid early Firefly kits. Mine is #22 and the welded parts were very
poorly made. Kolb assures me the problem has been corrected (new welder and new
jigs). Other than that I can find no fault with the design, strong, well engineered
, high quality materials and excellent factory support.
Well that's interesting. My FSII was a 1999 or thereabout model and it appeared
to me to be very well made as I'm accustomed to with Kolbs.
I think now it's just Travis (and Dennis is it?) making the kits themselves so
I have no concerns about quality workmanship there. And Travis gave me just superb
support when I was fighting the control cable problem on my FS II, so I have
no worries there either.
Anyway, understood on the 503. If I go FF I'll do the 447.
If I replace my current plane (a fairly distant option) an FS II would be the obvious
option. I have a strong desire to get away from these $20,000 engine dealie
and go back to my 2-stroke roots. I'm still fully equipped to run/maintain
a 447/503 as I even still have my complete Rotax toolset and can work on them
myself. In the unlikely event that something in my 912 lets go I'm not equipped
to deal with it at all - I'd have to pull it and send it to Ronnie Smith to
get it repaired, etc.
Oh well, like I said I still have lots of financial ducks to herd on all this first
so..... ;)
LS
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Subject: | Tailwheel rigging |
Kolb people=2C
Every now and then=2C someone mentions how their Kolb seems "squirrelly"
on roll out.
I don't have a good handle on what the recommended cure for squirrellyness
is. IIRC=2C John H. has said stiffer springs (I think that's what he said)
would help.
What rigging=2C from an experienced Kolb pilot=2C would make the Kolb air
craft tailwheel track the best? Strong springs=2C medium springs=2C etc.
I do know of a guy with a Firestar that thought his plane acted best with
plenty of slack in the tailwheel springs chains. ???
Presently=2C I have the stock MkIII spring setup. Should I try it like i
t is=2C first=2C and change to a different system later=2C if it seems warr
anted?
Thanks for your opinions.
Mike Welch
MkIII
central Missouri
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
At 05:34 AM 2/12/10 -0800, you wrote:
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I am just finishing a Firefly. I am 5'8". Built to plans there is no seat
adjustment and the only rudder pedal adjustment is cable length during
rigging ( not much). I can reach the pedals but only deflect them slightly.
Will need a cushion on seat back.
.....................
>
I am short legged and had problems reaching the rudder pedals and with the
front seat cross bar cutting off the blood to my legs. The way I resolved
this problem was to turn the seat into a true sling seat. I released the
seat from the back lower cross bar. Then I laced the seat back up higher on
the back. This raised up my cheeks and slid me forward so that I could
reach the pedals. It did not solve the cutting off the blood problem. This
was corrected by adding a cheek board and a thin cushion. This made for
comfortable flying. Some additional information can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Attitude response to flaps |
Flaps and ailerons affect trim the same way. Lower the flaps or ailerons, the nose
goes down, raise the flaps or ailerons, the nose goes up.
Which means, if you don't like the stick pressure that you currently have, it is
easy to trim out.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Firefly again |
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
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> I am short legged and had problems reaching the rudder pedals and with the
> front seat cross bar cutting off the blood to my legs. The way I resolved
> this problem was to turn the seat into a true sling seat. I released the
> seat from the back lower cross bar. Then I laced the seat back up higher on
> the back. This raised up my cheeks and slid me forward so that I could
> reach the pedals. It did not solve the cutting off the blood problem. This
> was corrected by adding a cheek board and a thin cushion. This made for
> comfortable flying. Some additional information can be seen at:
>
> http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
I finally just bookmarked your site...... How do you get off the ground with all
those gadgets?
I don't think I could ever run out of neat stuff to look at and learn from here...
LS
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel rigging |
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>
..................
What rigging, from an experienced Kolb pilot, would make the Kolb aircraft
tailwheel track the best? Strong springs, medium springs, etc.
I do know of a guy with a Firestar that thought his plane acted best with
plenty of slack in the tailwheel springs chains. ???
Presently, I have the stock MkIII spring setup. Should I try it like it
is, first, and change to a different system later, if it seems warranted?
>
Mike,
I have found several factors that could make the FireFly squirrelly while
taxiing on hard surfaces. At first I did not have positive camber. On a
turn, this caused the outside wheel to drag and one had to use excessive
rudder or tail wheel to force the FireFly to turn. I bent things to get a
little positive camber and that problem went away.
Next in gusty cross winds, I noticed on high speed taxi the FireFly wanted
to dart into the wind. I checked the toe in and found it toed in. Removed
the toe in and the FireFly was much calmer during cross wind taxiing.
Then after many landings, I experienced my first ground loop when a tail
wheel spring broke. Replaced it with a new spring and a few landings later
the second ordinal spring broke and I repeated the ground loop. I decided
to modify the tail wheel spring assembly and to use compression springs. I
used some bicycle spokes, die springs and a few other parts to come up with
a system that is lighter and I believe is less likely to fail. It took
several guesses as to which spring to use, but when I found the right one
(stiffer), taxiing the FireFly was much tighter or direct than before the
modification.
The tail wheel modifications can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly133.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Kolbers does anyone have any experience with VORTECH engine rebuilders? I am looking
foer a rebuilt 447 or 503 CDI, single carb,electric startChris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel rigging |
Mike/Gang:
Soft springs increase pilot rudder input and reduce input to the
tailwheel, keeping the pilot behind the power curve.
I use Maule compresion springs on my MKIII.
Another mod I have used on all my Kolbs was shortening the tail wheel
strut considerably. The standard configuration of the 3/4" aluminum rod
is extremely flexible in bending and twist.
To overcome this problem on my MKIII, I fabricated a short tailwheel
strut of .120" X 3/4" 4130 heat treated to 48 Rockwell. It performs
well, having survived several flights to Alaska as well as many rough
field landings here in the SE and out West. Rough fields are not the
same as mowed grass strips.
Shortening the tailwheel strut will also lower the tail a bit and put
the Kolb in a little nose high attitude. This facilitates better take
offs and landings.
john hauck
MKIII
Woodville, Florida - Raining, windy, cold and grey....
Every now and then, someone mentions how their Kolb seems
"squirrelly" on roll out.
I don't have a good handle on what the recommended cure for
squirrellyness is. IIRC, John H. has said stiffer springs (I think
that's what he said) would help.
Mike Welch
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capedavis(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Kolbers does anyone have any experience with VORTECH engine rebuilders? I am
looking foer a rebuilt 447 or 503 CDI, single carb,electric start
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
Just out of curiosity, are they Rotax dealers? With used 2-strokes, especially
ones advertised as rebuilt or overhauled and thus with prices to suit, you have
to be very careful about what you're getting. If they're not an actual dealer,
you could be taking your chances.
the only guys I'd ever consider buying a used 2-stroke engine advertised as rebuilt
are Mark Smith and Steve Beatty. Both of those guys have done zillions of
motors and even their dogs can do good teardowns and rebuilds.
Otherwise, just my suggestion, just getting a new one from a Rotax dealer will
end up being the best bang/buck option.
not saying don't do it, just saying be careful and ask lots of questions about
what was done to the engine, what was replaced, where'd they get the parts etc.....
LS
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel rigging |
I concur with the stiff spring business.
Sonex eliminates the springs all together for direct and positive tail wheel steering.
I've never flown a Sonex but all reports I've read indicate excellent
ground handling. I would imagine that they don't tolerate over controlling very
well :-).
I may experiment with stiffer springs on my Slingshot because it could stand a
bit less rodent like behavior.
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Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel rigging |
At 03:17 PM 2/12/2010, Thom Riddle wrote:
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>I concur with the stiff spring business.
>
>Sonex eliminates the springs all together for direct and positive tail
>wheel steering...
Not so sure that's a good idea; the springs also cushion the
shocks. Without springs, all the shocks go directly into the aircraft's
tail and rudder cables... could be asking for trouble.
Last time I flew my plane before taking it home for the winter, I landed on
a rough grass field and discovered I'd lost one of the springs. Nothing to
do for it but take the other one off and fly it home that way. Really
wasn't any trouble at all, just a little harder to keep it going straight
during slow taxi (I have independent brakes).
-Dana
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Don't put it off, procrastinate today.
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Where is Steve Beatty now? I thought he was getting out of it?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Richard Pike wrote:
> Where is Steve Beatty now? I thought he was getting out of it?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
He posts every now and then on some of the Yahoo groups I'm on, but havn't heard
much from him for a while.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's getting out of it, the 2-stroke market is in pretty
steady decline. Has been for a while unfortunately so harder and harder to keep
a business based on it going. That's why I want to nab an engine before they
go bye-bye!
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Subject: | Tailwheel rigging |
>Another mod I have used on all my Kolbs was shortening the tail wheel >str
ut considerably. The standard configuration of the 3/4" aluminum rod is >e
xtremely flexible in bending and twist.
>john hauck
>MKIII
>Woodville=2C Florida - Raining=2C windy=2C cold and grey....
John=2C Kolb guys=2C
I have already shortened the aluminum rod. I think I cut off about 4"
=2C or something close to that. The remaining rod is much stiffer now.
I didn't even think about a possible chromoly rod. I'll leave that optio
n open=2C in the event it looks like I need to make a change. I expect th
at most of my landings would be asphalt or grass=2C so I don't know if I'd
need to change it.
Thanks for the pointers.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | old Kolb promo videos |
I have looked several times on YouTube for any videos of Kolb Slingshots flying
and never found any until today. Thenewkolb posted some old Kolb Promo Videos
on YouTube. I have found three of them. Perhaps they were there before and most
of you know about them already but they were new to me. They contain videos
of FF, FS, MkIII, Kolb Laser, and Slingshot.
Kolb pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc6v-uiUkz8
Kolb pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdMSKFAkUk&feature=related
Kolb pt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZ5LJ8IvBc&feature=related
The Laser is in pt 2 for those who have never seen it. Interesting airplane....
for a tractor.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
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Richard-, Please explane for those of us that have brain damage and dont
know who Steve Beaty is ? Thank you and I very much respect your point of v
iew- Chris =0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled
from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Fri, February 12, 2010 4:06:28 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: vortec
g>=0A=0AWhere is Steve Beatty now? I thought he was getting out of it?=0A
=0ARichard Pike=0AMKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic on
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Subject: | Ultrastar Fuel Pumps |
John H. You posted the other day that you used both pulse ports, with two p
umps-on your Ultrastar back in the glory days. How were they plumbed? Did
you run one supply line and the outlet of the first pump into the inlet on
the second and- that outlet to the carb? Or Two separate systems T'd tog
ether at the carb. I would like to do the two pump deal on my old Ultrastar
. Thanks ,Carl Tosh=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps |
Hi Carl:
I plumbed them in series, one next to the other.
john
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From: carl tosh
To: Kolb LIst
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps
John H. You posted the other day that you used both pulse ports,
with two pumps on your Ultrastar back in the glory days. How were they
plumbed? Did you run one supply line and the outlet of the first pump
into the inlet on the second and that outlet to the carb? Or Two
separate systems T'd together at the carb. I would like to do the two
pump deal on my old Ultrastar. Thanks ,Carl Tosh
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Subject: | Re: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps |
Hi John, Thanks for the info. Carl Tosh
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--- On Sat, 2/13/10, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps
Hi Carl:
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I plumbed them in series, one next to the other.
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john
----- Original Message -----
From: carl tosh
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps
John H. You posted the other day that you used both pulse ports, with two p
umps-on your Ultrastar back in the glory days. How were they plumbed? Did
you run one supply line and the outlet of the first pump into the inlet on
the second and- that outlet to the carb? Or Two separate systems T'd tog
ether at the carb. I would like to do the two pump deal on my old Ultrastar
. Thanks ,Carl Tosh
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