---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/12/10: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:33 AM - Re: Firefly again (David Lucas) 2. 04:53 AM - Attitude response to flaps (Bob Kravis) 3. 05:34 AM - Re: Firefly again (Ducati SS) 4. 05:43 AM - Re: Attitude response to flaps (Jack B. Hart) 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: Firefly again (Jack B. Hart) 6. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Firefly again (Herb) 7. 06:23 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien) 8. 06:25 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien) 9. 06:41 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien) 10. 06:43 AM - Tailwheel rigging (Mike Welch) 11. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Firefly again (Jack B. Hart) 12. 07:07 AM - Re: Attitude response to flaps (Richard Pike) 13. 07:12 AM - Re: Firefly again (lucien) 14. 08:40 AM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Jack B. Hart) 15. 10:00 AM - vortech (chris davis) 16. 10:24 AM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (John Hauck) 17. 11:14 AM - Re: vortech (lucien) 18. 12:18 PM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Thom Riddle) 19. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel rigging (Dana Hague) 20. 01:08 PM - Re: vortech (Richard Pike) 21. 01:25 PM - Re: vortech (lucien) 22. 01:29 PM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Mike Welch) 23. 01:29 PM - old Kolb promo videos (Thom Riddle) 24. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: vortech (chris davis) 25. 06:43 PM - Ultrastar Fuel Pumps (carl tosh) 26. 07:31 PM - Re: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps (John Hauck) 27. 09:08 PM - Re: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps (carl tosh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:24 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again From: "David Lucas" lucien wrote: > At my altitude the 503 pretty much becomes a 447 LS I note the altitude record (5th March 1989) of 'Facet Opel' microlight in Australia powered by a 447 was 29,996 Ft (9144m) How high are you planning to go Lucien ? [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286089#286089 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Attitude response to flaps From: Bob Kravis When you deploy flaps how does the plane respond in pitch? Does the nose go up or down and is it negligible, modest or pronounced? Likewise, how would you characterize what happens when flaps are retracted? I am specifically interested in the Firefly but suspect that all Kolbs are somewhat similar. bk ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again From: "Ducati SS" I am just finishing a Firefly. I am 5'8". Built to plans there is no seat adjustment and the only rudder pedal adjustment is cable length during rigging ( not much). I can reach the pedals but only deflect them slightly. Will need a cushion on seat back. Kolb states that the Firefly is not strong enough for the extra weight or higher speed of the 503. If you have not purchased a kit yet I would avoid early Firefly kits. Mine is #22 and the welded parts were very poorly made. Kolb assures me the problem has been corrected (new welder and new jigs). Other than that I can find no fault with the design, strong, well engineered , high quality materials and excellent factory support. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286104#286104 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:16 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Attitude response to flaps Bob, As you extend the flaps the nose will rotate down in a modest to pronounced manner. As you remove the flaps the reverse is true. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN > Subject:From: Bob Kravis When you deploy flaps how does the plane respond in pitch? Does the nose go up or down and is it negligible, modest or pronounced? Likewise, how would you characterize what happens when flaps are retracted? I am specifically interested in the Firefly but suspect that all Kolbs are somewhat similar. bk > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:53 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again At 10:53 AM 2/11/10 -0500, you wrote: > >I believe there's a FF with a 912 on it -- flies beautifully. > Russ, Where can one find more info about this configuration? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:22 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again I think it is called a Slingshot!! :-) Herb At 07:45 AM 2/12/2010, you wrote: > >At 10:53 AM 2/11/10 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I believe there's a FF with a 912 on it -- flies beautifully. > > > >Russ, > >Where can one find more info about this configuration? > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Winchester, IN > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >02/11/10 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again From: "lucien" Dana wrote: > > $386.25/year from USUA or ASC, whether N-numbered or not. > > > > If you're talking hull insurance, well, that might be more problematic... > > Ah hah - I'll have to show that to my ins. co (tho they're probably all the same underwriter ;)). Whether I get hull would depend on how I paid for the plane of course (if you borrow of course the bank will require hull). It's super super pricey on my titan.... But the other concern like I said would be actually making 103. I don't know how close the stock/bare FF is in terms of weight, so would have to research that with whatever options (like the covering and possibly wind screen) I'd go with. OTOH, I do still have my old C box with "Rice King" clutch and the spare 68" PF prop. That's a couple thousand bucks of stuff right there that'd give me a headstart on a 503 equipped FS II. Still pushing a pencil across the paper on it so I'll see what I come up with.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286110#286110 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again From: "lucien" David Lucas wrote: > > lucien wrote: > > At my altitude the 503 pretty much becomes a 447 LS > > > I note the altitude record (5th March 1989) of 'Facet Opel' microlight in Australia powered by a 447 was 29,996 Ft (9144m) > > How high are you planning to go Lucien ? [Wink] Well my current airport is at 6300' MSL and 10,000' MSL is a kick around the patch for me. In my previous FS II, it was a good 5 to 10min climb to 8500 or 9000, where the view was good ;). LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286112#286112 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:11 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again From: "lucien" Ducati SS wrote: > I am just finishing a Firefly. I am 5'8". Built to plans there is no seat adjustment and the only rudder pedal adjustment is cable length during rigging ( not much). I can reach the pedals but only deflect them slightly. Will need a cushion on seat back. Kolb states that the Firefly is not strong enough for the extra weight or higher speed of the 503. If you have not purchased a kit yet I would avoid early Firefly kits. Mine is #22 and the welded parts were very poorly made. Kolb assures me the problem has been corrected (new welder and new jigs). Other than that I can find no fault with the design, strong, well engineered , high quality materials and excellent factory support. Well that's interesting. My FSII was a 1999 or thereabout model and it appeared to me to be very well made as I'm accustomed to with Kolbs. I think now it's just Travis (and Dennis is it?) making the kits themselves so I have no concerns about quality workmanship there. And Travis gave me just superb support when I was fighting the control cable problem on my FS II, so I have no worries there either. Anyway, understood on the 503. If I go FF I'll do the 447. If I replace my current plane (a fairly distant option) an FS II would be the obvious option. I have a strong desire to get away from these $20,000 engine dealie and go back to my 2-stroke roots. I'm still fully equipped to run/maintain a 447/503 as I even still have my complete Rotax toolset and can work on them myself. In the unlikely event that something in my 912 lets go I'm not equipped to deal with it at all - I'd have to pull it and send it to Ronnie Smith to get it repaired, etc. Oh well, like I said I still have lots of financial ducks to herd on all this first so..... ;) LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286114#286114 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:48 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Tailwheel rigging Kolb people=2C Every now and then=2C someone mentions how their Kolb seems "squirrelly" on roll out. I don't have a good handle on what the recommended cure for squirrellyness is. IIRC=2C John H. has said stiffer springs (I think that's what he said) would help. What rigging=2C from an experienced Kolb pilot=2C would make the Kolb air craft tailwheel track the best? Strong springs=2C medium springs=2C etc. I do know of a guy with a Firestar that thought his plane acted best with plenty of slack in the tailwheel springs chains. ??? Presently=2C I have the stock MkIII spring setup. Should I try it like i t is=2C first=2C and change to a different system later=2C if it seems warr anted? Thanks for your opinions. Mike Welch MkIII central Missouri _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:29 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again At 05:34 AM 2/12/10 -0800, you wrote: > I am just finishing a Firefly. I am 5'8". Built to plans there is no seat adjustment and the only rudder pedal adjustment is cable length during rigging ( not much). I can reach the pedals but only deflect them slightly. Will need a cushion on seat back. ..................... > I am short legged and had problems reaching the rudder pedals and with the front seat cross bar cutting off the blood to my legs. The way I resolved this problem was to turn the seat into a true sling seat. I released the seat from the back lower cross bar. Then I laced the seat back up higher on the back. This raised up my cheeks and slid me forward so that I could reach the pedals. It did not solve the cutting off the blood problem. This was corrected by adding a cheek board and a thin cushion. This made for comfortable flying. Some additional information can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Attitude response to flaps From: "Richard Pike" Flaps and ailerons affect trim the same way. Lower the flaps or ailerons, the nose goes down, raise the flaps or ailerons, the nose goes up. Which means, if you don't like the stick pressure that you currently have, it is easy to trim out. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286127#286127 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly again From: "lucien" jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > > I am short legged and had problems reaching the rudder pedals and with the > front seat cross bar cutting off the blood to my legs. The way I resolved > this problem was to turn the seat into a true sling seat. I released the > seat from the back lower cross bar. Then I laced the seat back up higher on > the back. This raised up my cheeks and slid me forward so that I could > reach the pedals. It did not solve the cutting off the blood problem. This > was corrected by adding a cheek board and a thin cushion. This made for > comfortable flying. Some additional information can be seen at: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN I finally just bookmarked your site...... How do you get off the ground with all those gadgets? I don't think I could ever run out of neat stuff to look at and learn from here... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286129#286129 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:52 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tailwheel rigging Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > .................. What rigging, from an experienced Kolb pilot, would make the Kolb aircraft tailwheel track the best? Strong springs, medium springs, etc. I do know of a guy with a Firestar that thought his plane acted best with plenty of slack in the tailwheel springs chains. ??? Presently, I have the stock MkIII spring setup. Should I try it like it is, first, and change to a different system later, if it seems warranted? > Mike, I have found several factors that could make the FireFly squirrelly while taxiing on hard surfaces. At first I did not have positive camber. On a turn, this caused the outside wheel to drag and one had to use excessive rudder or tail wheel to force the FireFly to turn. I bent things to get a little positive camber and that problem went away. Next in gusty cross winds, I noticed on high speed taxi the FireFly wanted to dart into the wind. I checked the toe in and found it toed in. Removed the toe in and the FireFly was much calmer during cross wind taxiing. Then after many landings, I experienced my first ground loop when a tail wheel spring broke. Replaced it with a new spring and a few landings later the second ordinal spring broke and I repeated the ground loop. I decided to modify the tail wheel spring assembly and to use compression springs. I used some bicycle spokes, die springs and a few other parts to come up with a system that is lighter and I believe is less likely to fail. It took several guesses as to which spring to use, but when I found the right one (stiffer), taxiing the FireFly was much tighter or direct than before the modification. The tail wheel modifications can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly133.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:44 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: vortech Kolbers does anyone have any experience with VORTECH engine rebuilders? I am looking foer a rebuilt 447 or 503 CDI, single carb,electric startChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:11 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tailwheel rigging Mike/Gang: Soft springs increase pilot rudder input and reduce input to the tailwheel, keeping the pilot behind the power curve. I use Maule compresion springs on my MKIII. Another mod I have used on all my Kolbs was shortening the tail wheel strut considerably. The standard configuration of the 3/4" aluminum rod is extremely flexible in bending and twist. To overcome this problem on my MKIII, I fabricated a short tailwheel strut of .120" X 3/4" 4130 heat treated to 48 Rockwell. It performs well, having survived several flights to Alaska as well as many rough field landings here in the SE and out West. Rough fields are not the same as mowed grass strips. Shortening the tailwheel strut will also lower the tail a bit and put the Kolb in a little nose high attitude. This facilitates better take offs and landings. john hauck MKIII Woodville, Florida - Raining, windy, cold and grey.... Every now and then, someone mentions how their Kolb seems "squirrelly" on roll out. I don't have a good handle on what the recommended cure for squirrellyness is. IIRC, John H. has said stiffer springs (I think that's what he said) would help. Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: vortech From: "lucien" capedavis(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Kolbers does anyone have any experience with VORTECH engine rebuilders? I am looking foer a rebuilt 447 or 503 CDI, single carb,electric start > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly Just out of curiosity, are they Rotax dealers? With used 2-strokes, especially ones advertised as rebuilt or overhauled and thus with prices to suit, you have to be very careful about what you're getting. If they're not an actual dealer, you could be taking your chances. the only guys I'd ever consider buying a used 2-stroke engine advertised as rebuilt are Mark Smith and Steve Beatty. Both of those guys have done zillions of motors and even their dogs can do good teardowns and rebuilds. Otherwise, just my suggestion, just getting a new one from a Rotax dealer will end up being the best bang/buck option. not saying don't do it, just saying be careful and ask lots of questions about what was done to the engine, what was replaced, where'd they get the parts etc..... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286179#286179 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging From: "Thom Riddle" I concur with the stiff spring business. Sonex eliminates the springs all together for direct and positive tail wheel steering. I've never flown a Sonex but all reports I've read indicate excellent ground handling. I would imagine that they don't tolerate over controlling very well :-). I may experiment with stiffer springs on my Slingshot because it could stand a bit less rodent like behavior. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Always be nice to your children because they are the ones who will choose your rest home. - Phyllis Diller Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286190#286190 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:34 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging At 03:17 PM 2/12/2010, Thom Riddle wrote: > >I concur with the stiff spring business. > >Sonex eliminates the springs all together for direct and positive tail >wheel steering... Not so sure that's a good idea; the springs also cushion the shocks. Without springs, all the shocks go directly into the aircraft's tail and rudder cables... could be asking for trouble. Last time I flew my plane before taking it home for the winter, I landed on a rough grass field and discovered I'd lost one of the springs. Nothing to do for it but take the other one off and fly it home that way. Really wasn't any trouble at all, just a little harder to keep it going straight during slow taxi (I have independent brakes). -Dana -- Don't put it off, procrastinate today. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: vortech From: "Richard Pike" Where is Steve Beatty now? I thought he was getting out of it? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286195#286195 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: vortech From: "lucien" Richard Pike wrote: > Where is Steve Beatty now? I thought he was getting out of it? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) He posts every now and then on some of the Yahoo groups I'm on, but havn't heard much from him for a while. Wouldn't surprise me if he's getting out of it, the 2-stroke market is in pretty steady decline. Has been for a while unfortunately so harder and harder to keep a business based on it going. That's why I want to nab an engine before they go bye-bye! LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286197#286197 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:03 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tailwheel rigging >Another mod I have used on all my Kolbs was shortening the tail wheel >str ut considerably. The standard configuration of the 3/4" aluminum rod is >e xtremely flexible in bending and twist. >john hauck >MKIII >Woodville=2C Florida - Raining=2C windy=2C cold and grey.... John=2C Kolb guys=2C I have already shortened the aluminum rod. I think I cut off about 4" =2C or something close to that. The remaining rod is much stiffer now. I didn't even think about a possible chromoly rod. I'll leave that optio n open=2C in the event it looks like I need to make a change. I expect th at most of my landings would be asphalt or grass=2C so I don't know if I'd need to change it. Thanks for the pointers. Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: old Kolb promo videos From: "Thom Riddle" I have looked several times on YouTube for any videos of Kolb Slingshots flying and never found any until today. Thenewkolb posted some old Kolb Promo Videos on YouTube. I have found three of them. Perhaps they were there before and most of you know about them already but they were new to me. They contain videos of FF, FS, MkIII, Kolb Laser, and Slingshot. Kolb pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc6v-uiUkz8 Kolb pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdMSKFAkUk&feature=related Kolb pt 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZ5LJ8IvBc&feature=related The Laser is in pt 2 for those who have never seen it. Interesting airplane.... for a tractor. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Always be nice to your children because they are the ones who will choose your rest home. - Phyllis Diller Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286198#286198 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:33 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: vortech Richard-, Please explane for those of us that have brain damage and dont know who Steve Beaty is ? Thank you and I very much respect your point of v iew- Chris =0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Richard Pike =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Fri, February 12, 2010 4:06:28 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: vortec g>=0A=0AWhere is Steve Beatty now? I thought he was getting out of it?=0A =0ARichard Pike=0AMKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic on line here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286195#286195 ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:41 PM PST US From: carl tosh Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps John H. You posted the other day that you used both pulse ports, with two p umps-on your Ultrastar back in the glory days. How were they plumbed? Did you run one supply line and the outlet of the first pump into the inlet on the second and- that outlet to the carb? Or Two separate systems T'd tog ether at the carb. I would like to do the two pump deal on my old Ultrastar . Thanks ,Carl Tosh=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:09 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps Hi Carl: I plumbed them in series, one next to the other. john ----- Original Message ----- From: carl tosh To: Kolb LIst Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps John H. You posted the other day that you used both pulse ports, with two pumps on your Ultrastar back in the glory days. How were they plumbed? Did you run one supply line and the outlet of the first pump into the inlet on the second and that outlet to the carb? Or Two separate systems T'd together at the carb. I would like to do the two pump deal on my old Ultrastar. Thanks ,Carl Tosh ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:40 PM PST US From: carl tosh Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps Hi John, Thanks for the info. Carl Tosh - -------- - --- On Sat, 2/13/10, John Hauck wrote: From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps Hi Carl: - I plumbed them in series, one next to the other. - john ----- Original Message ----- From: carl tosh Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Fuel Pumps John H. You posted the other day that you used both pulse ports, with two p umps-on your Ultrastar back in the glory days. How were they plumbed? Did you run one supply line and the outlet of the first pump into the inlet on the second and- that outlet to the carb? Or Two separate systems T'd tog ether at the carb. I would like to do the two pump deal on my old Ultrastar . 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