---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/13/10: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: Need some Kolb help on a non-Kolb problem (Fran Losey) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (Thom Riddle) 3. 06:13 AM - Re: Cracked tail post fix (Fran Losey) 4. 08:04 AM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (henry.voris) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: old Kolb promo videos (John Hauck) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel rigging (robert bean) 7. 08:54 AM - Re: old Kolb promo videos (Thom Riddle) 8. 10:31 AM - Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough (slowaero) 9. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel rigging (Jack B. Hart) 10. 03:25 PM - Re: Cracked tail post fix (Jimmy Young) 11. 05:09 PM - Crossed Fingers on purchase (Bob Kravis) 12. 05:21 PM - Re: Crossed Fingers on purchase (russ kinne) 13. 05:54 PM - Re: Tailwheel rigging (henry.voris) 14. 06:11 PM - test flight with the spot. (Larry Cottrell) 15. 06:29 PM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Mike Welch) 16. 07:19 PM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Larry Cottrell) 17. 08:03 PM - Re: Crossed Fingers on purchase (Bob Kravis) 18. 09:11 PM - Re: Crossed Fingers on purchase (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 19. 09:30 PM - Re: Crossed Fingers on purchase (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 20. 09:40 PM - Re: Crossed Fingers on purchase (Herb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:21 AM PST US From: Fran Losey Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need some Kolb help on a non-Kolb problem On 2/1/2010 4:21 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > If you can't find specific numbers for the airplane, using 18 to 35% > of wing chord as fore and aft limits is probably a safe place to start. > You can also get info from the FAA " Aircraft Weight and Balance > Handbook" FAA H8083-1A at: > > http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/FAA-H-8083-1A.pdf > > Rick Girard > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Richard Pike > wrote: > > > > > If any of youse guys have a friend with a 2 seat Hawk Arrow, could > you have them email me? Or get me a phone number so I can call > them? Trying to do a weight and balance on a friends Hawk, and we > need to know what the recommended numbers are. > > Thanks > Richard Pike > richard@bcchapel.org > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284435#284435 > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * Rick, thanks for forwarding.....excellent information! -- Sincerely, Fran Losey www.mykitlog.com\loseyf ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging From: "Thom Riddle" Dana, I'm not suggesting to anyone that they eliminate tail wheel springs completely on their cable actuated rudder/tailwheel. I am not absolutely certain but believe that Sonex uses control rods for rudder and tailwheel as well as aileron and elevator. I don't think they use cables for any of the control surfaces or steering mechanizm, both tricycle and tailwheel. I know they use a Titanium rod for tailwheel stinger and gear legs. It is not a Kolb but a good airplane that owners rave about.... sort of like Kolbs in that respect :-). -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. - Bernard Berenson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286252#286252 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:57 AM PST US From: Fran Losey Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cracked tail post fix On 2/1/2010 9:00 AM, Robert Laird wrote: > Ah, so, the EAA sheet metal workshop paid off, eh? :-) Looks good! > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Jimmy Young > wrote: > > > > > I thought about the fabric work left to do for a bit, then decided > I'd try aluminum instead. Worked out pretty good, easier than the > fabric work would have been, plus I can take it off via screws for > future inspection. I've included a photo of what I did. > > > * > > > * Could you resend your photo please? Thanks in advance. -- Sincerely, Fran Losey www.mykitlog.com\loseyf ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging From: "henry.voris" 13feb10 Question for Jack Hart (Master of all things FireFly...) on his tail wheel modification... When one of my tail wheel springs gave up I found myself nose down in the tall grass, facing the wrong direction. Now that I'm rebuilding my FireFly, I resolved to change to your clever bicycle spoke design... I gathered together the parts and as I started to assemble it I realized that the trailing ends of the spokes extend a bit lower than the original chain and spring set-up. My question is... Does the bicycle spoke set-up work well in the grass and rough fields? The spokes are exposed and I wonder if they'll grab the grass and get bent by flying stones??? As part of my polyester prevention program, my FireFly never sees the ramp, or any other pavement. Rough describes the fields I use... I am attracted to John H's shortened tail wheel post modification. I'll measure for that today. Ad via, yesterday I passed my PP check ride... Kinda shakes my confidence in the system to realize theyll let an ageing, "we don't need no stinking badges", FireFly jockey handle the big iron... Sorry to see all the posts about snow blowers and freezing rain... We've had a rough winter too... See... "COASTAL HAZARD MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HONOLULU HI 336 AM HST SAT FEB 13 2010 ...HIGH SURF ADVISORY FOR NORTH AND WEST FACING SHORES OF NIIHAU KAUAI OAHU AND MOLOKAI...NORTH FACING SHORES OF MAUI...AND WEST FACING SHORES OF THE BIG ISLAND..." Monster surf, 80 degrees, balmy trade winds... Aloha -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286273#286273 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:27 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: old Kolb promo videos Thom R/Thanks for posting the videos. I have related to the Kolb List before about flying the original SS at Lakeland with a professional photographer and his huge video camera resting on my shoulder. This was the first passenger I few in the SS. I believe that footage is included in Kolb Part 3. I don't remember what year that was, but the pilot sure looks young. john hauck mkIII Woodville, FL > Kolb pt 1 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc6v-uiUkz8 > > Kolb pt 2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdMSKFAkUk&feature=related > > Kolb pt 3 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZ5LJ8IvBc&feature=related > > The Laser is in pt 2 for those who have never seen it. Interesting > airplane.... for a tractor. > > -------- > Thom Riddle ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging From: robert bean We hate to see you suffering Henry. That sweaty 80F must be tough. If you want go the easy way on compression springs go to a hardware store (Ace, Lowes?)and buy two packages of screen door compression sets. That's what I have on my MkIII. They should work well on a lighter airplane. I added reinforcement to the little hook ends with safety wire to keep them from slipping out of place. A hard bounce can undo nearly anything man can build. BB On 13, Feb 2010, at 11:03 AM, henry.voris wrote: > > 13feb10 > > Question for Jack Hart (Master of all things FireFly...) on his tail wheel modification... > > When one of my tail wheel springs gave up I found myself nose down in the tall grass, facing the wrong direction. > > Now that I'm rebuilding my FireFly, I resolved to change to your clever bicycle spoke design... I gathered together the parts and as I started to assemble it I realized that the trailing ends of the spokes extend a bit lower than the original chain and spring set-up. > > My question is... Does the bicycle spoke set-up work well in the grass and rough fields? The spokes are exposed and I wonder if they'll grab the grass and get bent by flying stones??? As part of my polyester prevention program, my FireFly never sees the ramp, or any other pavement. Rough describes the fields I use... > > I am attracted to John H's shortened tail wheel post modification. I'll measure for that today. > > Ad via, yesterday I passed my PP check ride... Kinda shakes my confidence in the system to realize theyll let an ageing, "we don't need no stinking badges", FireFly jockey handle the big iron... > > Sorry to see all the posts about snow blowers and freezing rain... We've had a rough winter too... See... > > "COASTAL HAZARD MESSAGE > NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HONOLULU HI > 336 AM HST SAT FEB 13 2010 > > ...HIGH SURF ADVISORY FOR NORTH AND WEST FACING SHORES OF NIIHAU > KAUAI OAHU AND MOLOKAI...NORTH FACING SHORES OF MAUI...AND WEST > FACING SHORES OF THE BIG ISLAND..." > > Monster surf, 80 degrees, balmy trade winds... > > Aloha > > -------- > Henry > Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo > > Do Not Archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286273#286273 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: old Kolb promo videos From: "Thom Riddle" The SS video began towards the end of pt 2 and finished up in pt 3. Great stuff. Also saw you (John) flying your MkIII in these videos. When the weather changes up here in Snowville, I'll be getting the SS back into flying shape from winter storage, with plans to do some SS videos and will post to youtube when ready. The winter looks now it will be May at the earliest. Anyone know if TNK is building Laser kits on order? Anyone know of one flying? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. - Bernard Berenson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286283#286283 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough From: "slowaero" Dear Malcolm, I have a 377 which had similar intermittent problems. I had two forced landings. (FireStars don't stay up long running on one cylinder.) The first landing was in the trees. Fortunately a friend with a Hui was near and had me back on land with-in an hour. I never unbuckled my seat belt. Praise-be to cell phones and Helis. The second time I was trying to find the problem by holding full throttle for several minutes while over the airstrip. Happy landing on that one. The culprit = coils were breaking down. Good luck, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286294#286294 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:44 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging At 08:03 AM 2/13/10 -0800, you wrote: > >13feb10 > >Question for Jack Hart (Master of all things FireFly...) on his tail wheel modification... > ................................ > My question is... Does the bicycle spoke set-up work well in the grass and rough fields? The spokes are exposed and I wonder if they'll grab the grass and get bent by flying stones??? As part of my polyester prevention program, my FireFly never sees the ramp, or any other pavement. Rough describes the fields I use... .................................. > Henry, I really believe it is less susceptible to damage than the original setup. There is less mechanism for things to catch on. I have flown it in and out of grass fields and made one landing in a bean field and nothing has ever caught on it. My sympathies in that you reside in the only state in the union that has no snow fall. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cracked tail post fix From: "Jimmy Young" Fran, The photo is on the first post of this thread. At that time, I had not painted the aluminum. If you are having trouble finding it, email me direct and I can send you more. I'll be at the hanger tomorrow & can take more detailed photos if you would like. I've got the stiffener struts made, but had to order a longer bolt so they are not on yet. Jimmy Y -------- Jimmy Young Missouri City, TX Kolb FS II/HKS 700 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286317#286317 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase From: Bob Kravis Well, with some luck I may be getting the blue Firefly on Barnstormers. I am in 2nd position and have to see if the earlier deposit/buyer completes the transaction by the 20th. If not, it's MINE. Really excited and hopeful but maybe there is someone who wants to sell a FF and can become my plan B. The great information on this list has been instrumental in my plane choice. I am sure I will be able to get solid info and help with my first UL. bk ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:36 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase Bob Good luck to you on your purchase! -- where are you located? Russ K do not archive On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bob Kravis wrote: > Well, with some luck I may be getting the blue Firefly on > Barnstormers. I am in 2nd position and have to see if the earlier > deposit/buyer completes the transaction by the 20th. If not, it's > MINE. Really excited and hopeful but maybe there is someone who > wants to sell a FF and can become my plan B. > The great information on this list has been instrumental in my > plane choice. I am sure I will be able to get solid info and help > with my first UL. > bk > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tailwheel rigging From: "henry.voris" 13feb10 Jack, Thanks for the reassurance... I will continue with your design. Sometime back I went looking for compression springs, but found none locally. Maui is sortta the end of the hardware supply food chain... It was easier to follow your parts numbers and order from McMasters than locate springs here. Ya, I read a headline stating the Hawaii was the only state spared snow... Geographically challenged... Both Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa are snow capped all winter. Aloha, -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286340#286340 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:36 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: test flight with the spot. Today I could find no reason to not fly. Weather was 50 degrees on the ground, wind was not blowing on the ground as well. I did have a 10 mile an hour tail wind on the way out once I got out of the hill shadow. Things have been pretty quiet, the weather has been a bit too unsettled to do much more than catch up on my reading. Now my eye strain is bad enough to make an effort to get out and do something, anything! I have always been very aware of the worry that Karen goes through every time that I go flying by myself. The country here is the least populated in all of Oregon, I am sure that it ranks up there with some other parts of the US as well. I installed a base aircraft radio to help and while the range is as much as 60 miles it requires one to be pretty high to accomplish that kind of range. I prefer to be within a hundred feet of the ground, so it means that if I decided to do something other than what I told her before leaving, I need to climb up high enough to talk to her. Wastes gas something awful. I bought a Spot Messenger last year, but I did not get the tracking feature. Too cheap! It seemed to work somewhat, but the lack of a permanent placement in the plane caused it to be of limited use. I decided to purchase the tracking feature this year. I could say that it was for Karen, but some of the places that I go are really hard to get there from here, and I don't like walking all that much. We will just say that it seems like a good deal for both of us. There is a "Gap Seal" between the wings of "Dart" that is made of Lexan, so I made a holder that would keep its antenna pointed to the sky. It worked sitting in front of the hanger, but it needed a flight to really give it a good test. Today the weather seemed to invite flying so I rolled her out, dressed warm and took off for Arock. It was apparent that the wind was blowing at about 10 MPH from the West when I got up out of the wind shadow that shades the airstrip. The temps at 5000 feet was 40 degrees, so I wasn't sorry that I had put on my warm clothes. The plane and engine preformed flawlessly although I will put some tape on the oil cooler the next time I fly. The oil temps never got over 130 degrees, a bit cool for proper operation. I stayed at 1000 feet agl and checked some of the ponds and rabbit spots that we hunted Jessie and Peg (the hawk and falcon) on this fall. In all the trip took 74 minutes and I burned 3.5 gallons of gas. I covered a bit more than 60 miles and even though I was down to 50 MPH coming back, I still averaged 60 MPH. The wind was right for the short cross wind strip and I had drug it and rolled it, so I was interested in how it would feel. My landings are sometimes a thing of wonder. (wonder how anyone who has the hours that I have, can land so crappy. ) Except the first ones after a long lay off. My Golf games are like that too, the longer I play or fly the worse my game and the landing get. I can't explain it, unless I just get careless. Any way I started letting down about a mile from the strip, did just like my instructor had told me so many times and depending on my position either gave it gas, or allowed it to bleed off altitude, and made one of those landings that no one ever sees, a perfect three point landing with so little roll out that I had to give it gas to get to the turn off to the hanger. It is only 320 feet from the fence to the hanger. Oh well, someday I will be able to do that every time. Yeah, right! I was pleased with the results of the test, I had nine tracking points, that should make life or life flight easier. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0siAoTNYTZD 6KPbiDncNLfKZruRqx5nUO This is the link to the shared page, I prefer to use the hybrid map since it shows the sat picture and roads as well. Larry C,Oregon Firestar II Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:07 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: test flight with the spot. Larry=2C What did that little SPOT critter set you back? How much does the servic e run you=2C and what do you get for your money? Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:42 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: test flight with the spot. Goggle "Spot" and it will take you to their home page. There was even an article in AOPA's mag this month. I think I paid $97 bucks for the main service and 48 for the tracking. What the hell, its only money, but it does keep the little lady happier, and will me as well if I ever manage to ball things up. I do not fly what is considered safe as there are generally no roads where I want to go. Most of the GA guys would crap their pants in the places where the little Firestar takes me. I have done all that I can to stack the odds on my side, and the spot is one way to do that. If you go to the link on the previous email you can see the track that I flew. If you click on one of the little balloons you will have the Lat and Long of the area that I was when the spot transmitted. At my speed it narrows the search area to about 6 miles if I should crash 9 minutes from the last send. It sends every 10 minutes. It will allow you to send an "OK", a request for "help" (this one is a non panic request) and a "911" as well as the tracking feature. You can specify who gets any of the three messages. It is about the cheapest insurance available for me. A flight plan for me to tool around the area is not feasible. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:28 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: test flight with the spot. Larry, What did that little SPOT critter set you back? How much does the service run you, and what do you get for your money? Mike Welch MkIII ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s direct/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/13/10 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase From: Bob Kravis On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM, russ kinne wrote: > Bob > Good luck to you on your purchase! -- where are you located? > Russ K > do not archive > Greenville, ME and Durham, NC ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Bob I hope you get your wish and if you do we will have to hook up an do some flying together Ellery Batchelder Jr. Levant,Maine -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kravis Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 11:03 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM, russ kinne wrote: Bob Good luck to you on your purchase! -- where are you located? Russ K do not archive Greenville, ME and Durham, NC ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Bob if that is going to be your first U/L I will give you some hands on in my Mk3 if you would like and introduce you to another Firefly pilot in No rth Anson I hope you get it so we can have more Kolbs in this neck of the woods do not archive Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kravis Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 8:09 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase Well, with some luck I may be getting the blue Firefly on Barnstormers. I am in 2nd position and have to see if the earlier deposit/buyer complet es the transaction by the 20th. If not, it's MINE. Really excited and hop eful but maybe there is someone who wants to sell a FF and can become my plan B. The great information on this list has been instrumental in my plane choic e. I am sure I will be able to get solid info and help with my first UL. bk ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:42 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Crossed Fingers on purchase Bob Just looked at the pics on Barnstormers... Does it come in at pt 103 wt? Herb I like the extra leg brace...good luck... At 07:09 PM 2/13/2010, you wrote: >Well, with some luck I may be getting the blue Firefly on >Barnstormers. I am in 2nd position and have to see if the earlier >deposit/buyer completes the transaction by the 20th. If not, it's >MINE. Really excited and hopeful but maybe there is someone who >wants to sell a FF and can become my plan B. >The great information on this list has been instrumental in my plane >choice. 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