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1. 05:39 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (frank.goodnight)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: old Kolb promo videos (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Mike Welch)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Herb)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (russ kinne)
6. 07:18 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Herb)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: old Kolb promo videos (John Hauck)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: old Kolb promo videos (Thom Riddle)
9. 07:45 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (John Hauck)
10. 07:51 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Thom Riddle)
11. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: test flight with the spot. (robert bean)
12. 09:37 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Mike Welch)
13. 10:03 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (Thom Riddle)
14. 11:13 AM - Re: test flight with the spot. (John Hauck)
15. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: test flight with the spot. (John Hauck)
16. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: test flight with the spot. (Larry Cottrell)
17. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: test flight with the spot. (John Hauck)
18. 03:44 PM - tailpost repair with stiffeners (Jimmy Young)
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
Hi mike,
For what it worth .I got a spot for xmas. when I went on line to
activate it , the factory told me to return it, that they had some
problems and that at some unspecified time they would
send me a replacement. Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me
when to expect one .
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
Brownsville , TX
On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Larry,
>
> What did that little SPOT critter set you back? How much does the
> service run you, and what do you get for your money?
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
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| Subject: | Re: old Kolb promo videos |
John H,
Out of curiosity, do you recall when those Kolb promo videos were made?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
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| Subject: | test flight with the spot. |
> Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .
>Frank Goodnight
>Firestar 2
>Brownsville =2C TX
Larry=2C
Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot. This little gadget ought to b
e required equipment for people that fly in not-so-distant terrain=2C not t
o mention the boonies!! The fact that your rescue team can come directly t
o where you are (or at least close to where you are) would be a huge safety
factor=2C especially if a guy was injured!! I'll definitely get one=2C w
hen the time is right.
(On a side note=3B many of you may recall there were 3 hikers that went
missing=2C around Christmas=2C on some Oregon mountain. I think they found
one of them after a couple of days looking. He was dead. They looked for
a few more days for the other two. As far as I know=2C they never found t
he other two. They are dead=2C too.
In this day and age of technology=2C it seems utter nonsense to not have
this kind of locater beacon. You save hundreds of hours of people looking
for you. You allow your loved ones to know exactly where you are....and in
what condition you're in. You may=2C in fact=2C save your own life=2C by
being found relatively quickly.
Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft=2C their success at
locating you has been reported as low.
For guys that fly=2C a Spot is a great idea. Even if the only reason is
to keep the sweetie at home happy.
I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)
Frank=2C
I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing. I hope they
get it back to you soon. I would imagine it will be a year or so before I'
m in the market for a Spot. Hopefully they will get the bugs out it by the
n.
Happy Valentine's Day to all. Give your loved ones a squeeze.
Mike Welch
MkIII
central Missouri
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| Subject: | test flight with the spot. |
plus ....there is a big rescue bill awaiting if one lives...:-) Herb
At 08:46 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
> > Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .
> >Frank Goodnight
> >Firestar 2
> >Brownsville , TX
>
>
>Larry,
> Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot. This little gadget
> ought to be required equipment for people that fly in
> not-so-distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!! The fact that
> your rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at least
> close to where you are) would be a huge safety factor, especially
> if a guy was injured!! I'll definitely get one, when the time is right.
>
> (On a side note; many of you may recall there were 3 hikers that
> went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain. I think
> they found one of them after a couple of days looking. He was
> dead. They looked for a few more days for the other two. As far
> as I know, they never found the other two. They are dead, too.
> In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to not
> have this kind of locater beacon. You save hundreds of hours of
> people looking for you. You allow your loved ones to know exactly
> where you are....and in what condition you're in. You may, in
> fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.
> Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their
> success at locating you has been reported as low.
> For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea. Even if the only
> reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.
> I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)
>
>Frank,
> I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing. I
> hope they get it back to you soon. I would imagine it will be a
> year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot. Hopefully they
> will get the bugs out it by then.
>
> Happy Valentine's Day to all. Give your loved ones a squeeze.
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII
>central Missouri
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
Good point, but frankly: bill, schmill!
Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well
offshore, out of VHF range. Can always raise an airliner 5-6 miles
up, on the airline freq's.
My feeling is, if I'm alive, they can jail me. If dead, no way.
I'd prefer alive & in jail.
SPOT sounds like the best of both worlds.
Russ K
do not archive
On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Herb wrote:
> plus ....there is a big rescue bill awaiting if one lives...:-)
> Herb
>
>
> At 08:46 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
>> > Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect
>> one .
>> >Frank Goodnight
>> >Firestar 2
>> >Brownsville , TX
>>
>>
>> Larry,
>> Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot. This little gadget
>> ought to be required equipment for people that fly in not-so-
>> distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!! The fact that your
>> rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at least close
>> to where you are) would be a huge safety factor, especially if a
>> guy was injured!! I'll definitely get one, when the time is right.
>>
>> (On a side note; many of you may recall there were 3 hikers
>> that went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain. I
>> think they found one of them after a couple of days looking. He
>> was dead. They looked for a few more days for the other two. As
>> far as I know, they never found the other two. They are dead, too.
>> In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to
>> not have this kind of locater beacon. You save hundreds of hours
>> of people looking for you. You allow your loved ones to know
>> exactly where you are....and in what condition you're in. You
>> may, in fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.
>> Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their
>> success at locating you has been reported as low.
>> For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea. Even if the only
>> reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.
>> I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)
>>
>> Frank,
>> I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing. I
>> hope they get it back to you soon. I would imagine it will be a
>> year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot. Hopefully they
>> will get the bugs out it by then.
>>
>> Happy Valentine's Day to all. Give your loved ones a squeeze.
>>
>> Mike Welch
>> MkIII
>> central Missouri
>>
>>
>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
A large rescue bill...should be a behavior modifier!! :-) Guess the
estate can pay it...?? :-) Herb
At 09:11 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
>Good point, but frankly: bill, schmill!
>Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well
>offshore, out of VHF range. Can always raise an airliner 5-6 miles
>up, on the airline freq's.
>My feeling is, if I'm alive, they can jail me. If dead, no way.
>I'd prefer alive & in jail.
>SPOT sounds like the best of both worlds.
>Russ K
>do not archive
>
>
>On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Herb wrote:
>
>>plus ....there is a big rescue bill awaiting if one lives...:-) Herb
>>
>>
>>At 08:46 AM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
>>> > Haven't received one yet and they won't tell me when to expect one .
>>> >Frank Goodnight
>>> >Firestar 2
>>> >Brownsville , TX
>>>
>>>
>>>Larry,
>>> Thanks for the detailed info on the Spot. This little gadget
>>> ought to be required equipment for people that fly in
>>> not-so-distant terrain, not to mention the boonies!! The fact
>>> that your rescue team can come directly to where you are (or at
>>> least close to where you are) would be a huge safety factor,
>>> especially if a guy was injured!! I'll definitely get one, when
>>> the time is right.
>>>
>>> (On a side note; many of you may recall there were 3 hikers
>>> that went missing, around Christmas, on some Oregon mountain. I
>>> think they found one of them after a couple of days looking. He
>>> was dead. They looked for a few more days for the other two. As
>>> far as I know, they never found the other two. They are dead, too.
>>> In this day and age of technology, it seems utter nonsense to
>>> not have this kind of locater beacon. You save hundreds of hours
>>> of people looking for you. You allow your loved ones to know
>>> exactly where you are....and in what condition you're in. You
>>> may, in fact, save your own life, by being found relatively quickly.
>>> Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their
>>> success at locating you has been reported as low.
>>> For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea. Even if the only
>>> reason is to keep the sweetie at home happy.
>>> I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)
>>>
>>>Frank,
>>> I recall you mentioned you sent in your Spot for servicing. I
>>> hope they get it back to you soon. I would imagine it will be a
>>> year or so before I'm in the market for a Spot. Hopefully they
>>> will get the bugs out it by then.
>>>
>>> Happy Valentine's Day to all. Give your loved ones a squeeze.
>>>
>>>Mike Welch
>>>MkIII
>>>central Missouri
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: old Kolb promo videos |
> Out of curiosity, do you recall when those Kolb promo videos were made?
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
Please remind me when I get back to hauck's holler next week and I can tell
you after I look it up in my log book.
I flew that SS at Oshkosh the year prior for a few hours for the first time.
I was used to the normal long wings of the Kolbs I had flown. I had second
thoughts about flying this little hot rod every time I looked out at those
stubby little wings and their short little lift struts.
The SS took off and flew great out of the short strip at Oshkosh. I broke
traffic and flew out west a bit to check the stall, 40 mph IAS clean and
about 35 mph IAS with full flaperons. Stall and flight characteristics were
like all other Kolb models with the exception of the rapid roll rate and
lighter stick pressure in the roll. Landing was a no brainer, a Kolb
typical landing.
However, I was having to use a lot of power to taxi. Couldn't understand
this. Asked Dennis Souder about it. He asked if I had released the parking
brake? What parking brake? The little valve under the pilot's seat that no
one had bothered to brief me about prior to flying the SS for the first
time. I had taxied, took off, landed and taxied back to parking with the
brakes on.
Next flight with the parking brakes off, the SS taxied quite nice, took off
a lot shorter, and even landed a little better.
The SS was 582 powered.
john hauck
MKIII
Woodville, Florida
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| Subject: | Re: old Kolb promo videos |
Thanks for the info, John.
I accidentally left the parking brake on once during a takeoff roll on a grass
strip after flying mostly off of pavement. I new the grass was not THAT long but
did not abort the take-off. As soon as I left the ground and saw the wheels
stop turning immediately, I figured out my oversight. I had no excuse, just
an oversight and poor pre-take-off procedure following. That won't happen again.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
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- Bernard Berenson
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
Mike:
I have this Personal Locator Beacon:
http://www.acrelectronics.com/microfix/microfix.htm
I fly with it, and also use it when I am riding my dirt bike, ATV, or
mountain bike.
Initial purchase is much more than the SPOt, but a one time purchase and
no annual fees.
The PLB works with NOAA SARSAT:
http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/
john hauck
mkIII
woodville, florida
Although ELT's are required in Experimental aircraft, their success
at locating you has been reported as low.
For guys that fly, a Spot is a great idea. Even if the only reason
is to keep the sweetie at home happy.
I'd bet those three hikers wish they had a Spot.)
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
Per Russ
...Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore, out
of VHF range....
I never heard that one before. What makes carrying an aircraft radio when sailing
well offshore "illegal"?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago.
- Bernard Berenson
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
If you are well enough offshore NOTHING is illegal.
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On 14, Feb 2010, at 10:51 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Per Russ
> ...Sometimes I illegal carry an aircraft radio when sailing well offshore, out
of VHF range....
>
> I never heard that one before. What makes carrying an aircraft radio when sailing
well offshore "illegal"?
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago.
> - Bernard Berenson
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286388#286388
>
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| Subject: | test flight with the spot. |
>I have this Personal Locator Beacon:
>john hauck
>mkIII
>woodville=2C florida
John=2C
I DO like not having an annual fee. I'd prefer a one-time purchase. How
much did your ELB unit cost?
I didn't realize there were more than one brand of these ELBs. Although
I wouldn't hesitate to get the Spot brand=2C if that was all that was out t
here=2C the one-time purchase price of this model would likely push me in t
his one's direction.
Thanks=2C Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
FWIW,
I was wondering about location accuracy on these 406 PLBs and found the following
excerpt on the NOAA.gov site:
....or a standard 406 MHz PLB the location accuracy is around two to three miles.
Generally, this equates to a search time of around an hour for a search team
on scene depending on the terrain. Some beacons, however, take advantage of
GPS technology and are able to generate a position with even greater accuracy.
Those PLBs which have GPS receivers, attached either internally or externally,
are able to produce a position smaller than a football field. For SAR teams,
that means they can go directly to your location without having to conduct much
of a search. With time always the critical element in a distress case, this
can sometimes mean the difference between life and death...
Looks to me like the more expensive ones with an internal GPS would be worth the
price if you actually come to need one at all.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
I have a PLB (personal locator beacon with internal GPS), not an ELB.
The urls I included with my last msg will give you all you need to know
about PLBs, cost, capability, etc.
john hauck
mkIII
Woodville, FL
>I have this Personal Locator Beacon:
>john hauck
How much did your ELB unit cost?
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
Those PLBs which have GPS receivers, attached either internally or
externally, are able to produce a position smaller than a football field.
For SAR teams, that means they can go directly to your location without
having to conduct much of a search. With time always the critical element in
a distress case, this can sometimes mean the difference between life and
death...
>
> Looks to me like the more expensive ones with an internal GPS would be
> worth the price if you actually come to need one at all.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
That is why I opted for a PLB with internal GPS. Spot was not available
when I bought my ACR PLB. Not sure if I would have gone with the SPOT or
not, had it been available. I think I like the capability of the PLB and
the NOAA system better.
100 meters is worse case. The grid coordinates the PLB transmits to NOAA
SARSAT will be typical of what your nav gps probable error is, which in my
case, down to a couple two or three meters..
Time will probably be critical in most rescues.
john hauck
mkIII
Woodville, Florida
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
While I agree totally with all that is said about the PLB's, the reason
that I have the spot, is not so much for precise location of a 911 call
for help, although the spot will do that as well. My main requirement of
the spot is the fact that I really do not have to hit a button, or for
that matter be physically able to hit a button for it to keep accurate
locations of where I am and have been. If you are capable of initiating
a 911 call it will be within 20 to 50 feet of your actual location, if
not then depending on how long into your flight from the last check in,
with the Firestar, a mile each minute up to the 10 minutes between check
in's should enable a quick and efficient search depending of course on
terrain.
Now, a disclaimer for Spot. The web site and tools that are installed in
it seem to my thoughts to be a royal pain in the ass, however all that
is not enough to overcome the usefulness that the spot can deliver.
There are many ways to safeguard your flights and safety, from the way
that your plane is set up for the terrain that one flies. ( tires, steel
gear legs, survival items in the plane, etc. ) To the way that you fly.
I personally do not choose to fly as though my plane is trying to kill
me. I know full well that if that does happen it will be because I was
not up to surviving due to carelessness or inattention. Yeah, crap
happens all the time, some of it is more serious than others, and I
cannot deny that I can occasionally be dumb enough to soil my shorts
after the excitement has cooled down, but it isn't going to rule my life
or the things that I like to do. I accept the full responsibility for
the things that I do and am fully aware that someday I may not be up to
the task. So be it! That attitude will not stop me from doing all I can
to ensure that I die peacefully of old, satisfied age.
Larry C
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which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Thom Riddle
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: test flight with the spot.
FWIW,
I was wondering about location accuracy on these 406 PLBs and found
the following excerpt on the NOAA.gov site:
....or a standard 406 MHz PLB the location accuracy is around two to
three miles. Generally, this equates to a search time of around an hour
for a search team on scene ?" depending on the terrain. Some beacons,
however, take advantage of GPS technology and are able to generate a
position with even greater accuracy. Those PLBs which have GPS
receivers, attached either internally or externally, are able to produce
a position smaller than a football field. For SAR teams, that means they
can go directly to your location without having to conduct much of a
search. With time always the critical element in a distress case, this
can sometimes mean the difference between life and death...
Looks to me like the more expensive ones with an internal GPS would be
worth the price if you actually come to need one at all.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.
=C2 - Simon Cameron
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| Subject: | Re: test flight with the spot. |
I echo Larry C's sentiments exactly.
If I didn't feel comfortable flying the way I do, I would spend my old
age typing and sharing stuff I heard from others and had never
experienced and enjoyed myself.
Aviation has always been exciting to me, since the day I soloed a TH-55
at Fort Wolters, TX, at the ripe old age of 29. That was Sep 1968. I
was a late bloomer, but I have made up for it in my senior years. If I
can not keep aviation exciting, I have a lot of other things to do I
enjoy just as much and produce just as much adrenalin as the little
Kolb. All of these activities are conducive to having a PLB to save my
bacon if necessary.
PLB is a lot like a parachute. When you need it, it is worth every
penny you spent for it.
john hauck
mkIII
Woodville, Florida
There are many ways to safeguard your flights and safety, from the way
that your plane is set up for the terrain that one flies. ( tires, steel
gear legs, survival items in the plane, etc. ) To the way that you fly.
I personally do not choose to fly as though my plane is trying to kill
me. I know full well that if that does happen it will be because I was
not up to surviving due to carelessness or inattention. Yeah, crap
happens all the time, some of it is more serious than others, and I
cannot deny that I can occasionally be dumb enough to soil my shorts
after the excitement has cooled down, but it isn't going to rule my life
or the things that I like to do. I accept the full responsibility for
the things that I do and am fully aware that someday I may not be up to
the task. So be it! That attitude will not stop me from doing all I can
to ensure that I die peacefully of old, satisfied age.
Larry C
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| Subject: | tailpost repair with stiffeners |
List,
Here's what I ended up doing after cracking my tailpost assembly. I think adding
the stiifener struts will help strengthen that area, thanks for the advice I
received. I used some 1/8" x 1" Home Depot Aluminum bar stock and put an AN3
bolt through the tail ring, & used the existing tailwheel rod connector bolt location
for the bottom.
I also flew about 2 hours today, first time to get high in quite a while. I did
a lot of touch & goes with a moderate direct crosswind blowing just to brush
up a bit. I came to the conclusion I needed some practice after I first flew
over to LBX (Lake Jackson TX) to get some avgas. There was maybe a 10 mph direct
crosswind and of course I'm landing on asphalt. I felt like a beginner. That
asphalt grabbed my tires & I got a little squirrelly, probably felt worse than
it looked I hope. Big difference between grass & asphalt with a crosswind!
Have a good one -
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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